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MrForbes
02-27-2012, 10:01 PM
Just a couple days, and we hit the road for San Diego! Should be fun....

Andrew Lawrence
02-27-2012, 10:04 PM
San Diego's gonna be so much fun this year! I can't wait to watch the webcast! Wish I could come down, but then again, I've got my own robot to work on. :) I wanna see 1538's robot in particular, and 399 looks like an awesome team this year.

GRT808
02-27-2012, 11:29 PM
Aloha from Hawaii! Good luck to all at the competition!

Mk.32
02-27-2012, 11:35 PM
Week 1 event this year woot!
Can't wait, to see all the bots :3

TeamSpyder1622
02-28-2012, 12:16 AM
So excited for SDR!!!! Cant wait to hang out with everyone from Team San Diego!!!

DCA Fan
02-28-2012, 02:19 PM
I'll be there! I'm excited to see everyone!

andreboos
02-28-2012, 02:45 PM
The Agency looks forward to closely monitoring all of you in San Diego :)

Chef Jeff
02-28-2012, 02:58 PM
So excited for SDR!!!! Cant wait to hang out with everyone from Team San Diego!!!

We had a good time last year, but we will see team Spyder in Seattle ,and we will be the only caili teams there

seg9585
02-28-2012, 03:04 PM
Will be in San Diego with Rookie Team 4276. Can't wait!

The team is anxiously waiting to do some driver tryouts during the practice rounds Friday (they never got much chance to drive it during the build season).

Can someone remind me if robots are allowed on the field for Friday practice rounds if the bot has not *officially* passed all inspection items yet?

Also, in the past practice rounds have sometimes been as long as 5 minutes, are these variety going to be used?

Cory
02-28-2012, 03:55 PM
Will be in San Diego with Rookie Team 4276. Can't wait!

The team is anxiously waiting to do some driver tryouts during the practice rounds Friday (they never got much chance to drive it during the build season).

Can someone remind me if robots are allowed on the field for Friday practice rounds if the bot has not *officially* passed all inspection items yet?

Also, in the past practice rounds have sometimes been as long as 5 minutes, are these variety going to be used?


The "At the events" section of the manual covers your questions.

You do not have to be inspected to practice in your scheduled practice matches, but must have bumpers.

You must be inspected if you want to enter the filler line for an unscheduled practice match.

first1622
02-29-2012, 01:26 AM
Can't wait for the event only three more days. It'll be good to be where i belong

connor.worley
02-29-2012, 12:45 PM
Week 1 comes fast... we can't wait for SD!

rsisk
02-29-2012, 05:02 PM
Work is done, packing the trailer tonight and heading for SD tomorrow AM. Will be bringing 5 robots with me in the trailer. Field setup and early load in tomorrow and then competition all weekend. Woo hoo!

P.S. the five robots are from teams in the Inland Empire coming to San Diego.

MrForbes
02-29-2012, 05:23 PM
Our robot is in the back of my 57 chevy truck...hope it makes it there! Should be a nice little 500 mile drive. The furthest I've driven my truck is 75 miles from home....

EagleEngineer
02-29-2012, 11:24 PM
San Diego should be a really fun event, i haven't been down there since 2010. Looking forward to seeing everyone on Friday. :)

KevinGoneNuts
03-01-2012, 12:50 AM
Can someone post the link to the webcast once they get it? This is one event I really want to watch!

DCA Fan
03-01-2012, 01:29 AM
The webcast will be here: http://www.sandiegoregional.com/?p=webcast

MrForbes
03-01-2012, 07:28 PM
We made it! and best of all I have a room, and interwebs...

We'll be delivering the robot in a little while

MrForbes
03-03-2012, 11:05 PM
It's scouting meeting time! ;)

We had a fun day of qualifying. Our autonomous shooting is working well, our teleop has been a little bit iffy. We did find a cause, which is falling off the bridge and having the camera mount get slightly bent. Once we figured it out, things got better again.

We did a couple coop bridge attempts and didn't make either of them. The balls under the bridges make things interesting, especially with a "wide" robot, you need to be careful not to try to drive onto a bridge if it's not going down all the way, or you can flip over pretty easily.

We've seen some great play by quite a few robots, 1661 and 599 bridge work is really good. 3008 is an amazing scorer in teleop.

We did get to make some repairs to our bridge arm, our pneumatic "lock" got bent and we decided to replace it with a mechanical one...the second attempt actually survived a couple matches intact.

It's kinda weird having the event a day late. Hope you all tune in to the webcast Sunday!

http://www.sandiegoregional.com/?p=webcast

Mk.32
03-03-2012, 11:22 PM
Busy day of qualifying, we had our fair share of issues but auton was nailed and teleop is getting better every match.

The balls under the bridges do pose a problem, as well as tipping over... we did once in practice but no damage was done.

Some great teams out there. Can't wait for elims!

Akash Rastogi
03-03-2012, 11:36 PM
Can anyone post an update on 399 and 1538? What's going on with those two?

MrForbes
03-03-2012, 11:41 PM
I saw them a few times, Cows weren't doing a lot, 399 shooting is kind of touchy...high lob from a distance, it's a tricky shot.

But I didn't watch nearly enough matches today.

Andrew Lawrence
03-03-2012, 11:41 PM
Can anyone post an update on 399 and 1538? What's going on with those two?

They're obviously placing the opposing teams under a false sense of security. Then when they least expect it....BAM! The score is 100-0.

Seriously, I think the problem is their cameras aren't adjusted to the light, or their shooters aren't adjusted. It's only a matter of time until they find the right numbers to use in their code, and they'll be kicking butt like the 399 and 1538 we know.

Big Ideas
03-03-2012, 11:45 PM
NERDS have been doing great so far. Looking strong from the start.

The game is unfolding much differently then I had expected. I wonder which week we will start seeing strong defense plays.

MrForbes
03-03-2012, 11:45 PM
yeah, I'm wary!

moonlight
03-03-2012, 11:51 PM
We had a good time last year, but we will see team Spyder in Seattle ,and we will be the only caili teams there

Excited to meet both teams 1622 and 585 At Seattle Olympic Regional :) we'll be playing on the same field! hope you guys are ready to have some fun ;)

Mk.32
03-04-2012, 12:02 AM
Defense is non existent, to easy to foul. So crossing over the bridge/bump isn't common.
Balancing is a game thrower, 10-20 pts so far is quite hard to match with just shooting.
Auton was easier then I expected, and with 2-3 shooters it is an easy 12+ points.
Shooting in telop seems to be the hit and miss among teams, some can do it well but quite a few don't. Shooting while against the fender seems like a good option for many teams, our current plan, and camera tracking seems to be something saved for CMP.

GRT808
03-04-2012, 12:28 AM
I was a bit surprised of the scoring going on in teleop. Balancing on the bridge however seems to be more efficient with single robots rather than double. Many of the attempts to balance the bridge with two robots usually end up failing, the lone balancing robot sways the match considerably. We are also a bit surprised of our robot's and drivers performance during the competition. We switched our design from a double roller shooter to a hood and it works amazing. Curious to see how some teams like 399 and 1538 perform after their tweaking. Having fun this competition and looking forward to the rest of the matches tomorrow!

Koko Ed
03-04-2012, 03:42 AM
Why has there been no update on the awards in San Diego on the FIRST website?

DCA Fan
03-04-2012, 08:49 AM
No idea Ed, we entered them into the system yesterday. Anyways, here's the awards list so far:


WFFA Bill Berggren
Volunteer Sandra Hodge
Imagery 2839
Control 702
Creativity 2485
Engineering Excel 3476
Entrepreneurship 3008
Rookie Inspiration 4322
Website 1372

Current top score is 40 for SD, with 29 qualifying matches to go.

MrForbes
03-04-2012, 08:52 AM
The dates here are off by one day...we're finishing up today.

I don't know about the award page not being updated...it should reflect the awards given out yesterday? but it does not.

I'm working on putting video of a few matches on youtube. They're kind of NERDS-centric.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWbwqXO0qXw

Adam Freeman
03-04-2012, 12:22 PM
Is anyone else getting an Error#2032 on the Webcast?

I was really hoping to watch today.

Thanks.

Chinmay
03-04-2012, 12:29 PM
The webcast seems to be working for me. Try using

madstream.team1323.com

Adam Freeman
03-04-2012, 12:37 PM
The webcast seems to be working for me. Try using

madstream.team1323.com

Thank you! It appears to be a computer issue on my part. Well atleast everyone else will be able to watch, while I attempt to solve this issue.

EDIT: Must have been a browser issue. IE wouldn't show it, but Firefox will.

davidthefat
03-04-2012, 02:24 PM
Oh my, a rookie team at top seed. Congrats 4161

jason701802
03-04-2012, 03:58 PM
That looked like a good 3 bot balance, what happened? Is the webcast just deceiving me?

Steven Donow
03-04-2012, 04:00 PM
That looked like a good 3 bot balance, what happened? Is the webcast just deceiving me?

1661 was supported by something else, it looked like the field barrier. But the question now is why was it counted as a two-bot balance?

Anupam Goli
03-04-2012, 04:02 PM
That bridge shouldn't have been called as balanced at all.

Chinmay
03-04-2012, 04:02 PM
Hopefully there will be some explanation as to why 2 bots counted and not 0. I think it should have been 0 because of

"A Bridge will count as Balanced if it is within 5 of horizontal and all Robots touching it are fully supported by it."

smistthegreat
03-04-2012, 04:13 PM
When the final score is assessed per [G37], a Balanced Alliance Bridge will earn points based on the number of Alliance Robots completely supported by the Bridge, per Section 2.2.5, as follows:

Emphasis mine

jason701802
03-04-2012, 04:24 PM
When the final score is assessed per [G37], a Balanced Alliance Bridge will earn points based on the number of Alliance Robots completely supported by the Bridge, per Section 2.2.5, as follows:

Emphasis mine

There were a number of matches in Alamo (it's the only other regional I've watched a lot of) that were judged according to: A Bridge will count as Balanced if it is within 5 of horizontal and all Robots touching it are fully supported by it. and I think that, strictly, the bridge should not have counted as balanced, although I like your interpretation better.

jason701802
03-04-2012, 04:27 PM
They've taken back their call

Edit: and they just did it again, legal this time

George Nishimura
03-04-2012, 04:37 PM
I can't believe a team just won by triple balancing the whole match.

smistthegreat
03-04-2012, 04:48 PM
Red card on blue, in my opinion correctly called, as the blue robot, while in the blue lane, clearly bumped the red robot several times, for no (apparent) reason other than accruing penalty points, which is a violation of G45.

Edit: Confirmed by head ref, red card to blue, red wins.

ratdude747
03-04-2012, 04:57 PM
Red card on blue, in my opinion correctly called, as the blue robot, while in the blue lane, clearly bumped the red robot several times, for no (apparent) reason other than accruing penalty points, which is a violation of G45.

epic fail... did they really think that they could get away with that?

jason701802
03-04-2012, 05:00 PM
I can't believe a team just won by triple balancing the whole match.

They just did it again, they were almost beaten, then 1266 fell over

Squillo
03-04-2012, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the shout out, we appreciate it, but someone should tell those Californians that Linda Lingle isn't our governor anymore - it's Neil Abercrombie. :D Still, GO, KALANI!!!! YOU ROCK!!!

ThirteenOfTwo
03-04-2012, 05:14 PM
Oh my, a rookie team at top seed. Congrats 4161

Pretty sure these are the guys who figured out the coopertition scheme I mentioned in the other thread.

DonRotolo
03-04-2012, 05:55 PM
Pretty sure these are the guys who figured out the coopertition scheme I mentioned in the other thread.
Well, it also seems that 4161 has also figured out how to play and win the game too.

Mike Starke
03-04-2012, 05:59 PM
There is quite an awful amount of time in between matches. I know there was a timeout in there, and there's some robot cool down time- but this just seems more than usual.

bduddy
03-04-2012, 06:05 PM
There is quite an awful amount of time in between matches. I know there was a timeout in there, and there's some robot cool down time- but this just seems more than usual.Are they ahead of schedule? It's only 4 PM there...

jason701802
03-04-2012, 06:18 PM
The theme of the music has shifted a little, they usually don't let it get quite this raunchy.

George Nishimura
03-04-2012, 06:25 PM
Well, it also seems that 4161 has also figured out how to play and win the game too.

It seems so. Seeing as they just won the regional.

Congrats to 3476, 4161, 3255!

Marc S.
03-04-2012, 06:26 PM
Congratulations to the 1st seeded alliance with a ROOKIE alliance captain, 4161, and their partners 3476 and 3255!

Hallry
03-04-2012, 07:31 PM
Also congrats to 1622 for EI, and 1538 for a well-deserved Chairman's!

Andrew Lawrence
03-04-2012, 07:37 PM
CONGRATULATIONS 1538 FOR YOUR 4TH RCA WIN IN A ROW!

cgmv123
03-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Red card on blue, in my opinion correctly called, as the blue robot, while in the blue lane, clearly bumped the red robot several times, for no (apparent) reason other than accruing penalty points, which is a violation of G45.

Edit: Confirmed by head ref, red card to blue, red wins.

I saw that as an illegal pin at first, since blue didn't back up by at least 6 feet, but I guess the red card would overrule that.

MrForbes
03-04-2012, 08:34 PM
Big congrats to the Holy Cows! as well as the Spiders.

Code Orange was fantastic, I was glad to see you win it all with 4161 and 3255.

It was a fun regional, thanks to all the teams that participated, and especially to all the volunteers. You did a great job!

Andrew Lawrence
03-04-2012, 09:48 PM
So when will the match videos be posted?

jedidudeas
03-05-2012, 12:16 AM
Thanks to Code Orange 3476 and the Super Nerds 3255 for helping us win the regional. You guys were fantastic! See you in St. Louis!

Teamcodeorange
03-05-2012, 12:39 AM
Big congrats to the Holy Cows! as well as the Spiders.

Code Orange was fantastic, I was glad to see you win it all with 4161 and 3255.

It was a fun regional, thanks to all the teams that participated, and especially to all the volunteers. You did a great job!

Thanks to Code Orange 3476 and the Super Nerds 3255 for helping us win the regional. You guys were fantastic! See you in St. Louis!


Thanks!:D :D :D

DCA Fan
03-05-2012, 12:52 AM
A big THANK YOU to all the teams that participated! I have a blast announcing for this event, thanks to everyone for keeping the energy levels high.

A few answers to questions, totally just for your info:
1. Awards were not submitted on Saturday because the scoring system had already inputted awards that were not to be given out until Sunday.
2. The first triple bridge did not count because one of the robots was supported by a field rail. That alliance went on to repeat this feat with no problems.
3. We were ahead of schedule in eliminations which allowed us to give more cool down time.

A final shout out to our field crew for keeping everything running so smoothly, despite the normal Week 1 troubles, especially Jared and Cameron from 1266.

rsisk
03-05-2012, 01:29 AM
WOW, what a regional. The three triple balances during eliminations (1 reversed, but still awesome).

4161 T-Birds from Yucaipa as number 1 seed, amazing. Co-op bridge can get you to the top. Put the the power houses below 8th and really spread the power during the first round of alliance picking.

3476 Code Orange... amazing scoring machine. Than matched up with the balancing team of 3255 and 4161 was a lethal combination. It was a blast helping to get that alliance together.

3255 Super Nurds, definitely have a ton of respect for your playing ability after today.

Can't wait to see you all in St. Louis

DCA Fan
03-05-2012, 01:42 AM
Uncut videos are available here: http://www.justin.tv/frcsd/videos

jeremypg399
03-05-2012, 01:45 AM
399 enjoyed their experience at SD this weekend.

Despite several technical issues that plagued us on friday and saturday, we felt we played several strong matches.

Thanks to our alliance partners 1138 Eagle Engineering and 2339 Robolopes! This isn't the first time we've worked together(Various FLL tournaments with 2339 and 1138 and some practice sessions with 2339) and I hope this isn't the last! Thank you so much 1138 for picking us and 2339 for joining us to create an awesome alliance!
Fun fact: Chaminade(1138), Antelope Valley HS(2339), and Lancaster HS(399) are rival teams among our sports programs, but worked together wonderfully for FRC!

Thanks to the winning alliance of 4161, 3476, and 3255 for some close finals matches. Congrats to 4161 on being the first rookie #1 alliance captain in the SD regional's history.

Personally, it was great chatting with and helping out some friends on other teams.

Hope to see a few of you in STL!
Utah and Colorado, here we come!

TeamSpyder1622
03-05-2012, 08:38 AM
They just did it again, they were almost beaten, then 1622 fell over

Actually we did not tipped over. 1266 & 1572 were gonna balance on our alliance while we scored. They both tipped and we scored 25 points

sanddrag
03-05-2012, 09:13 AM
San Diego was fun to watch, but it was too loud. It wasn't the loudest I've heard, and it wasn't immediately a problem, but after many hours, it's too loud. I arrived at 11:30 AM on Sunday and stayed for the remainder of the event. I was just about the highest/furthest group of people in the stands, and today my hearing is slightly muffled.

It's not necessarily the noise level at FRC events that is damaging, it's the noise level over many hours. If I can notice an effect over just the couple qualifier matches and the elimination matches I watched, I worry about people who sat through qualifiers all of the 2nd day. I'll be bringing ear plugs or something to Long Beach.

EagleEngineer
03-05-2012, 09:19 AM
399 enjoyed their experience at SD this weekend.

Despite several technical issues that plagued us on friday and saturday, we felt we played several strong matches.

Thanks to our alliance partners 1138 Eagle Engineering and 2339 Robolopes! This isn't the first time we've worked together(Various FLL tournaments with 2339 and 1138 and some practice sessions with 2339) and I hope this isn't the last! Thank you so much 1138 for picking us and 2339 for joining us to create an awesome alliance!
Fun fact: Chaminade(1138), Antelope Valley HS(2339), and Lancaster HS(399) are rival teams among our sports programs, but worked together wonderfully for FRC!

Thanks to the winning alliance of 4161, 3476, and 3255 for some close finals matches. Congrats to 4161 on being the first rookie #1 alliance captain in the SD regional's history.

Personally, it was great chatting with and helping out some friends on other teams.

Hope to see a few of you in STL!
Utah and Colorado, here we come!

Ya, it was a pretty amazing regional. Thanks 399, and 2339, we had a great alliance. The first seeded alliance were really good competitors and major congrats to 4161, 3476, 3255, you guys did great. Overall it was a very fun regional, and this game was probably one of the most interesting games to watch, considering how accurate most of the teams were at SD. :)

jason701802
03-05-2012, 10:06 AM
Actually we did not tipped over. 1266 & 1572 were gonna balance on our alliance while we scored. They both tipped and we scored 25 points

Whoops, I knew there was a 1 a 6 and a 2 in the number, I just couldn't remember who it was after the webcast cut a way and 1622 seemed the most familiar when looking at the team numbers who were in that match.

TeamSpyder1622
03-05-2012, 10:51 PM
Whoops, I knew there was a 1 a 6 and a 2 in the number, I just couldn't remember who it was after the webcast cut a way and 1622 seemed the most familiar when looking at the team numbers who were in that match.

No worries :) I'm gonna take this as a compliment! Im glad to know we are getting recognized!!!!

first1622
03-05-2012, 11:40 PM
"It's not necessarily the noise level at FRC events that is damaging, it's the noise level over many hours. If I can notice an effect over just the couple qualifier matches and the elimination matches I watched, I worry about people who sat through qualifiers all of the 2nd day. I'll be bringing ear plugs or something to Long Beach."

You should have came to our pit we had ear plugs just for that reason

seg9585
03-06-2012, 12:35 AM
Here's a panorama from the Sunday opening ceremonies in San Diego:

http://eric.segonline.net/2012/frcsd/SanDiegoPanorama.jpg

Lidor51
03-08-2012, 11:04 AM
Red card on blue, in my opinion correctly called, as the blue robot, while in the blue lane, clearly bumped the red robot several times, for no (apparent) reason other than accruing penalty points, which is a violation of G45.

Edit: Confirmed by head ref, red card to blue, red wins.


It's very very important... Does someone has a video of this???
Thanks.

Alpha Beta
03-08-2012, 12:06 PM
Red card on blue, in my opinion correctly called, as the blue robot, while in the blue lane, clearly bumped the red robot several times, for no (apparent) reason other than accruing penalty points, which is a violation of G45.

Edit: Confirmed by head ref, red card to blue, red wins.

This has been a strange rule. In KC a team was warned not to continue this strategy after a match when they earned 18 penalty points. So, how many times can you hit them? Why do we have a rule that punishes a robot for performing an action in their protected area. Instead of a red card the referee should have the discretion of simply not counting the additional penalties if they deem it a strategy by rule. Now the referee has to judge the strategy with their only recourse a disqualification. Tough call with too harsh a consequence on the line IMO.

@Lidor51: Video of the situation occuring in KC is match 6 here: http://www.more.net/content/2012-qualification-matches Can't help you with the SanDiego footage.

Mk.32
03-10-2012, 09:32 PM
Hi all,
For any interested here is the photos I was able to talk walking around:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=feec430a9a19c48d&resid=FEEC430A9A19C48D!476&parid=root
Enjoy.