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Ken Leung
06-11-2004, 06:37 PM
Fame is something inevitable as you get more and more involved with this program, whether you like it or not. I've experienced some of it in the past, people like JVN, Andy Baker, Dave Lavery are among many who got the community's full attention right now.

Just want to know what you think... Do you want to be famous in FIRST? Why or why not? Do you think there are any prices you have you pay for being famous? Maybe some day you will wish to go to a competition without being recognized and just walk around the pit area quietly looking at robots?

All I know is there's no turning back after you've turned famous, nothing short of quitting this wonderful community can get rid of all the attention ;-).

Maybe fame isn't the best thing you can get from this program ;-).

Your thoughts?

Tom Schindler
06-11-2004, 06:49 PM
Your thoughts?


I have no desire for fame-- why you ask?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pictures.php?action=single&picid=8195

if someone ever writes "I am Tom Schindler" on a backpack, i might... i might... (insert incredibly crazy thing here).

Tom

Joshua May
06-11-2004, 07:07 PM
The only fame in FIRST I would want would be to be recognized as being a significant contributor to FIRST. And even then the fame is not for my own personal value but just knowing that I have affected the lives of so many people.

And if anyone ever writes my name on their backpack or in their avatar, you'll know the Apocalypse is coming. :D

Andy Grady
06-11-2004, 07:17 PM
I have no desire for fame-- why you ask?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pictures.php?action=single&picid=8195

if someone ever writes "I am Tom Schindler" on a backpack, i might... i might... (insert incredibly crazy thing here).

Tom

I am Tom Schindler.

sanddrag
06-11-2004, 07:22 PM
/me points to new user title.

Greg Ross
06-11-2004, 07:37 PM
I am Tom Schindler.
So, you're Tom Schindler, and Tom Schindler is your hero? :rolleyes:

Joshua May
06-11-2004, 07:38 PM
So, you're Tom Schindler, and Tom Schindler is your hero? :rolleyes:

How self-centered, shame on you Andy Grady, or is it Tom Schindler? :yikes:

opnickc
06-11-2004, 08:15 PM
I'd want to be famous, but not for the fame. I know that if I ever were famous, it would mean I had done something significant. The fame would be a side-effect that would tell me people appreciate whatever it was I did that made me famous. So I want to be famous simply because it means I have made a difference, not because I want fame. If that makes any sense.

JoeXIII'007
06-11-2004, 08:20 PM
Considering that FIRST stands For the Inspiration and RECOGNITION of Science and Technology, I think fame is a naturally occuring thing for every one in FIRST. At my school, people just plain love our team and know very well who we are and what we do. Recently we had an honors assembly and we got recognized for what we did this year in front of the entire school. The speaker called our names, we stood up, and stood out in the huge crowd of our classmates. It was a pretty amazing sight. ;)

Jay H 237
06-11-2004, 08:21 PM
I remember seeing "I am Jay H 237" underneath everyone's name on here...........but then the alarm clock went off! :p


Actually having a little bit of fame is good, when people at least see you and know who you are. The only thing is I wouldn't want fame to the point of where you're followed around all the time.


On second thought, maybe I should go ahead and copyright the phrase "I am Jay H 237" just in case I do wind up becoming real popular like John or Dave. ;) I can just think of the royalties already. I can buy my own island and be just like Dean! :D

Billfred
06-11-2004, 09:31 PM
If I become well-known, great. If not, oh well.

As long as I don't become infamous.

Tom Bottiglieri
06-11-2004, 09:39 PM
I want to become famous and known as the best person ever in FIRST. I want all of this for my own personal gain. I want to be as greedy as possible, and live in glory while all my fellow FIRSTers bow at my feet

just kidding. :)

Koko Ed
06-12-2004, 06:32 AM
It is kinda creepy, weird and flattering all at once having my name having a pair of posters proclaim my as thier idol. All for making up a game. Imagine if I did something that was actually useful to FIRST.

Pat Roche
06-12-2004, 07:36 AM
For me if fame occurs, it occurs. The reason I am part of this program is to learn and contribute to technology and to expand the limits of FIRST and create a highly competive machine to raise the level play. In the process fame can occur. Let it....Thankgod I just joined CD a year ago...Fame is far away.

-Pat

Aignam
06-12-2004, 07:41 AM
Y'know, the fact that first names like 'Andy', 'Dave', and 'Dean' are automatically associated with one specific person puts those people on a level of fame within the FIRST community equivalent to that of 'Madonna', and 'Britney', and so on and so forth, which is a frightening thought unto itself... The day I walk down the street and overhear a conversation like "Hey, did you check out Andy's new gearbox design yet?"...

Mike Ciance
06-12-2004, 04:01 PM
personally, i would rather be famous for my writing. i write in a county paper now, but i hope to become widely known later in life. if i ever become famous with the general public, i will no doubt use that to promote FIRST and it's ideals. i mean, just imagine if somebody like Vin Diesel encouraged all the girls to get into robotics. that would have a big effect. people follow those who are famous, and it is a responsibility of fame to be a good person to follow. that's why we are all so lucky to have dean and dave and all those other people as role models, because they are really people to follow.

Mike Schroeder
06-12-2004, 04:33 PM
Fame is something inevitable as you get more and more involved with this program, whether you like it or not. I've experienced some of it in the past, people like JVN, Andy Baker, Dave Lavery are among many who got the community's full attention right now.

Just want to know what you think... Do you want to be famous in FIRST? Why or why not? Do you think there are any prices you have you pay for being famous? Maybe some day you will wish to go to a competition without being recognized and just walk around the pit area quietly looking at robots?

All I know is there's no turning back after you've turned famous, nothing short of quitting this wonderful community can get rid of all the attention ;-).

Maybe fame isn't the best thing you can get from this program ;-).

Your thoughts?
I dont think its Fame, I think its more along the lines of the Recognition,
in today's society the bad is always emphisized, in the news reports on TV, on the front page of every paper, but with FIRST, individuals are Recognized for their oustanding efforts in somthing that is Good, i think that its not wrong to hold Dave Lavery or Andy Baker or even That FIRST legend himself, Tom Schindler at a higher level than anyone else, They are Doing Good, they are the ones you find in the little box, on the last page of almost every newspaper.

Just as long as people dont go obsessing over me everything will be okay
and if i ever see I am Mike Schroeder written on peoples backpacks i will probobly freak out and go hide under a table and cry

Bharat Nain
06-12-2004, 05:01 PM
I dont think its Fame, I think its more along the lines of the Recognition,
in today's society the bad is always emphisized, in the news reports on TV, on the front page of every paper, but with FIRST, individuals are Recognized for their oustanding efforts in somthing that is Good, i think that its not wrong to hold Dave Lavery or Andy Baker or even That FIRST legend himself, Tom Schindler at a higher level than anyone else, They are Doing Good, they are the ones you find in the little box, on the last page of almost every newspaper.

Just as long as people dont go obsessing over me everything will be okay
and if i ever see I am Mike Schroeder written on peoples backpacks i will probobly freak out and go hide under a table and cry
Ok I'll tell the whole team to write "I am Mike Schroeder" on their bagpacks:p

Dorienne
06-12-2004, 05:09 PM
Just want to know what you think... Do you want to be famous in FIRST? Why or why not? Do you think there are any prices you have you pay for being famous? Maybe some day you will wish to go to a competition without being recognized and just walk around the pit area quietly looking at robots?

Honestly, I wouldn't want to be famous in FIRST. I would like to be known by people, but not famous per se. Reason being it is kind of like being a celebrity. No privacy, and you're never left alone. I don't think I would be able to stand that.
You have many prices you need to pay. Some of which are:
a) no more privacy
b) no time to yourself
c) can't keep anything to yourself; someone always seems to know
d) you're always ambushed.
Fame isn't necessarily the most blissful thing. I mean, yes you finally get the attention you've wanted, but it really does become the top spot on your list of regrets.
So, as I said, I would rather be known by a few people, like close friends in FIRST, than become a big celebrity in FIRST.
--d0ri :p

EddieMcD
06-12-2004, 06:12 PM
Just to toss my $0.02 in, one of the things I happen to like about the Chief Delphi community is that at every competition I go to, someone recognises me and comes over to say hi (must be the long, green hair ;)). I meet someone new, they meet someone new, and it's win/win. Also, if I find someone I recognise, I'll go over and introduce myself. It's one of, IMO, the greatest aspects of FIRST. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who meets new people in this manner.

Bharat Nain
06-12-2004, 06:41 PM
Fame is something inevitable as you get more and more involved with this program, whether you like it or not. I've experienced some of it in the past, people like JVN, Andy Baker, Dave Lavery are among many who got the community's full attention right now.

Just want to know what you think... Do you want to be famous in FIRST? Why or why not? Do you think there are any prices you have you pay for being famous? Maybe some day you will wish to go to a competition without being recognized and just walk around the pit area quietly looking at robots?

All I know is there's no turning back after you've turned famous, nothing short of quitting this wonderful community can get rid of all the attention ;-).

Maybe fame isn't the best thing you can get from this program ;-).

Your thoughts?

Would you like to be famous? Why not

Price you have to pay for it? Yes, definately, you have to actually do something and make a difference

Fame isnt the best thing you can get from this program? Yes, true.. there's a LOT more you can get from this program

Wheather you like it or not, if you have made a difference in the FIRST community, you will end up being famous, and yes, there is no turning back then.

And being famous doesnt always mean that your privacy has been robbed. If it has, it also means you have people respecting you and helping you wherever you go.

Personally, I have no aims to become famous. I just like this world and want to do the right things.

Greg Needel
06-12-2004, 06:43 PM
i honestly think that being famous in FIRST is honestly pointless....i mean it is nice to get reconized for the time you have put in but in all honesty that is not the case. When looking at people like Dave, Andy, Dean, etc. i can automaticly in my head know exactly what they contributed on a national level for FIRST but other "stars" of chiefdelphi i couldn't tell you for the life of me what they did for first except post alot. FIRST fame in it's present form is just a popularity contest as to who has been around for the longest and who knows the most people.

Astronouth7303
06-12-2004, 07:00 PM
And coming up with really witty stuff!

Joe Matt
06-12-2004, 07:02 PM
Fame is a funny thing, you can do nothing and get it, and do everything and get none. For me, it's not fame, but infamy that follows me. :ahh: :yikes:

Erin Rapacki
06-12-2004, 07:25 PM
I think the word 'fame' is being misunderstood...

-when one posts a lot on ChiefDelphi and is therefore well known, it's not necessarily fame because people don't have much to say about you
-when one gains a lot of respect through what they post on ChiefDelphi, and they post enough to be remembered by fellow forum members... one is a little closer to fame
-one is famous when they are known for being a good ROLE MODEL by the people who post, and do not post on ChiefDelphi

If one does gain 'fame' through FIRST, it should be used as a networking tool in hopes to leap-frog one's career path. Remember, part of the point of FIRST is to create strong leaders & thinkers who could positively influence the world's technological market.

Adam Y.
06-12-2004, 07:47 PM
Errr yeah..... My friend Noah said he talked to someone that knew me from Chiefdelphi. That's just creepy.

Billfred
06-12-2004, 08:40 PM
-one is famous when they are known for being a good ROLE MODEL by the people who post, and do not post on ChiefDelphi

Not to nit-pick, but wouldn't it be "and do not necessarily post on CD?" I mean, there are some darn good role models out here and all who definitely are famous, yet post frequently. Then there's those who are famous and don't post on CD.

Although couldn't it be argued that those who would otherwise be famous and post on CD are yielding a better benefit for the FIRST community at large? I mean, if this is one of the larger FIRST hubs online, it seems that their resources would be spent well here. (I won't say spent better here, since there is a possibility that folks could better spend their resources elsewhere. I guess that depends on the person.)

(disclaimer: all of my words are highly seasoned, in the event I have to eat them.)

Ken Leung
06-12-2004, 10:42 PM
Its funny how this thread grow so fast in just a few days. This board is much different than the off-season CD forum I've seen in the past few years, for better or worse. Anyway...

I am not really good with using words. When I said fame, I think what I want to mean is lots of people's recognition of you even though they don't really know who you are. That's one of the interesting things I experienced from FIRST. I guess it was kind of nice when people saw my red hair and say "hey you are that guy that posted on that forum..." or "hey, I like your post".

It was nice, but I realized that's not something I want in my life. I found strong friendship with few people much more enjoyable than being known by a lot of people but never really know any of them. Most conversations with people who "know of you" are a lot of obvious things that people talk about all the time, which is nice to know other people's opinion, but doesn't usually get deeper than that.

I used to go around to all the pits in the SVR regional asking teams about their robot, but all together it wasn't as good as chatting with a few people about their team. That's when I decided I would draw back from posting so much in the CD forum, and get to know people in person instead. I think that decision is starting to do some good. IRI and Atlanta was much more interesting than the competitions in the past.

So, think about it. Not everyone share the same opinion about how they want to experience this program we call FIRST. My advice is, don't post for the sake of posting. Go for those meaningful conversations that trigger your thoughts into all kinds of directions that even you can't predict its direction. Experience FIRST from deep within rather than from the surface.

Tom ask why I want to know. The truth is, I don't really know. Perhaps I just want to throw something out in the open and see where the discussion lead to. Now-a-days, I don't have many issues I care particularly about. I figure the smart people will take care of it. I think I enjoy the flow of discussion much more than what's really being said. I guess its kind of like learning a math formula to solve a problem, you do homework just to practice the problem, but you don't particularly have an opinion about how the answer look like.

Maybe this is a right way to use the forum, maybe it isn't. I don't really know. But I think I do enjoy arguing with people whether it is or isn't, no matter what the result of that argument is.

Andy A.
06-12-2004, 10:45 PM
Fame? You think its bad being famous...

Between Andy B. and Andy G. being Andy A. has some unspoken expectations put on it.

Seriously folks, living up to the Andy lastinitialhere. name thing is a little rough at times. I find my self lying awake at night trying to think of ways to make the Andy's who have come before me proud.

It's a hard knock life, being an Andy in this world.

-Andy A.

Melissa Nute
06-13-2004, 12:21 AM
Maybe I"m just weird...but I know I would be kinda creeped out if I was one of the "famous" FIRST people. Why? Because no one is any different than anyone else in my eyes. Granted, some people stand out more, but that is because the other people might not have gotten a chance yet to shine. I mean, I rather just have a few close friendships with people from other team than have people just talk to me about stuff they know I've done. When you become "famous", some people view you as different and better; honestly, they should be treated as you would treat anyone else.

Mike Ciance
06-13-2004, 07:56 AM
Maybe I"m just weird...but I know I would be kinda creeped out if I was one of the "famous" FIRST people. Why? Because no one is any different than anyone else in my eyes. Granted, some people stand out more, but that is because the other people might not have gotten a chance yet to shine. I mean, I rather just have a few close friendships with people from other team than have people just talk to me about stuff they know I've done. When you become "famous", some people view you as different and better; honestly, they should be treated as you would treat anyone else.

i think it is possible to be famous and still have many close friendships. what you need to do is stress the fact that, while you may be famous, you don't consider yourself better than anybody else.

i do agree, though, that many people have the potential to be famous, but just havent landed in the right set of circumstances yet.

Andy Grady
06-13-2004, 10:37 AM
Fame? You think its bad being famous...

Between Andy B. and Andy G. being Andy A. has some unspoken expectations put on it.

Seriously folks, living up to the Andy lastinitialhere. name thing is a little rough at times. I find my self lying awake at night trying to think of ways to make the Andy's who have come before me proud.

It's a hard knock life, being an Andy in this world.

-Andy A.

Keep in mind, there are two Andy B's. Baker and Brockway. So that makes four of us goofy Andy's!

I don't know if I'd call it fame, but instead the more colorful personalities in FIRST being thrust into the spotlight because they are easy to remember. Take Baker for instance...who else in this world would chase a pig, drag it by its tail, and post it up for hundreds of people to see! Eventually, its that same thing which keeps them in our mind, and keeps us inspired.

Ryan Dognaux
06-13-2004, 11:05 AM
My original purpose of joining these forums was to meet new people on other teams, and I think it has worked pretty well. I've also had a few people come up to me and ask "Hey aren't you Ryan... Doan... Doan.... that Ryan guy from chiefdelphi?" :] I just think it's pretty cool when some random person comes up to you and knows your face or name. I don't know about being "famous" with this community, that might be a little weird, but I could handle being known.

Chris Hibner
06-14-2004, 02:25 AM
Ken,

This is a great thread on an interesting topic. I haven't tought anything about this until you brought it up, but since you mentioned it, it seems like part of Dean Kamen's vision is becoming a reality. In his old speeches he used to say that a goal of FIRST is to make people think of scientists and engineers in the same way that they think of pop stars and professional athletes. The fact that this thread exists shows that the change is afoot.

-Chris

Jessica Boucher
06-14-2004, 08:20 AM
On this same point of discussion, sometimes I wonder what the FIRST-famous are like from the outside....when you take out the FIRST from the person. For example, to you and I, Baker's about as famous as you can get without being on staff....but what's he like at Delphi? What's JVN like at Clarkson minus the robot?

I think its interesting that people at these places could see these people every day...and have no idea that they're a hero of FIRST. It's saddening, really...it shows how far we still have to go...but as Chris said, just having the famous exist means we're well on our way.

Beth Sweet
06-14-2004, 08:58 AM
I believe that people are only famous if others feel the need to make them famous. If enough people have enough respect for you and look up to you enough for them to call you famous, I think that there would be nothing more flattering than to be called such. But hey, once again, just my own little opinion.

Ken Leung
06-14-2004, 09:22 AM
Ken,

This is a great thread on an interesting topic. I haven't tought anything about this until you brought it up, but since you mentioned it, it seems like part of Dean Kamen's vision is becoming a reality. In his old speeches he used to say that a goal of FIRST is to make people think of scientists and engineers in the same way that they think of pop stars and professional athletes. The fact that this thread exists shows that the change is afoot.

-Chris

Changes are happening through out the FIRST community, we can't deny that. My only concern is, are the people ready to become these "Heroes" Dean intended for all high school students to have?

People like Andy B., Dave Lavery, and JVN seems to grab people's attention whereever they go, whenever they said something even when it mean little to them (well, that's how I imagine it anyway). To be under thousands of watchful eyes everytime you show up at a competition is not something I desire at a FIRST competition, or life in general. I can only imagine the pressure they experience to be public figures. Then again, since I am not them, I would never know completely how they feel.

Actually, I don't mean to be negative about the subject. I tend to think of the worst case scenarior on just about everything. I actually think it can be fun to be well known by lots of people at a robotics competition. Its like you did some work ahead of time when you meet new people, because they know about you already. Now all you have to do is to find out about other people.

I think the important thing is that you really do have to work hard to get to meet people and get to know who they are. It goes for both way on this interesting relationship between someone famous and their admirers. Just because you are famous doesn't mean you should stand there and let people talk to you. And just because you admire someone, doesn't mean they are necessary better than you.

I suppose I really should follow my own advice. In the past few years I've hide behind my name on the Chief Delphi Forum, and didn't pay attention to the people who really deserve them. I guess its part of my anti-social personality and fear of meeting new people, hopefully that will change as I learn more and more about growing up.

Not sure why I started the thread at the beginning, but I am enjoying the thinking whenever I read or reply to a post in here. This is kinda fun! :D

MikeDubreuil
06-14-2004, 03:36 PM
I think FIRST fame is nice, but it's definitely over-rated. It's also certainly not what the program is about.

I get plenty of fame on my own team. Staying until 4am on ship night so the robot gets finished. Mentoring a student and teaching them something they never thought they could do. I like it when the people on my team talk glowingly about my contributions. Or when I help another team out and they appreciate what I've done for them.

Unfortunately, I'm not famous, and people like me are a dime a dozen in FIRST. Well respected and famed on their own teams, but the rest of the world never hears about us.

JVN
06-14-2004, 08:44 PM
... people like JVN, Andy Baker, Dave Lavery are among many who got the community's full attention right now.

Just want to know what you think... Well Ken,
While I certainly wouldn't have placed myself in such distinguished company, (Andy... you're swell too ;)) lately I keep seeing myself referenced as such. Since I'm on your list, I guess I'll (however egotistical it is of me to do so) provide some insight on how I see things. ;)

The "fame" you speak of is a weird thing, and it is tough to get used to (for many of the reasons that have already been discussed).

I find myself wondering what I did to deserve it (those who know me best have seen) because I'm just a normal guy, and just another Joe Schmoe in this competition. I've just gotten lucky, and had some incredible experiences, and met a lot of incredible people who have just made my time in this competition downright incredible.

This "fame" has certainly opened some doors for me, and made for some interesting times. Can you imagine how amused my parents must be that some kid in New Jersey has my name on his backback? ;)
If nothing else it has helped me meet more of the people that make this competition great, which is fantastic.

It is also really cool to see the FIRST programs impact through all this. (preachy lesson time folks). I'm just a regular guy, going to college and majoring in Mechanical Engineering, but the fact that there are students across the country who look up to me (God help them...) is just amazing.
FIRST works. If a MechE-dork like me can be a hero for a HS kid, FIRST is certainly having SOME effect.

But of course, I feel a lot of pressure because of this...
I know I've certainly been trying to fill the shoes I've been given, but I'm still not sure how good of a job I'm doing.
All I can promise is that I'll keep trying to be the role model everyone seems to think I am.

Thanks,
John


PS - Ken L is my FIRST celebrity. Wooo, go Kenny!

JVN
06-14-2004, 08:55 PM
I intended this to go in my original post, but it's worthy of it's own:

Part of this "fame" is the guilt that comes with it.
Everyone gives me way more credit than I deserve.

There are people on my team who practically carry me through the season. No joke. Without them, I would be nothing.

I wouldn't be who I am, without a little help from my friends. ;)

Thanks guys.
:D

Mike Schroeder
06-14-2004, 10:56 PM
I intended this to go in my original post, but it's worthy of it's own:

Part of this "fame" is the guilt that comes with it.
Everyone gives me way more credit than I deserve.

There are people on my team who practically carry me through the season. No joke. Without them, I would be nothing.

I wouldn't be who I am, without a little help from my friends. ;)

Thanks guys.
:D
whoa you mean JVN wasnt the inspiration for the Energizer battery guy... holy crap this warps my whole perspective on life :p

Adam Y.
06-15-2004, 01:55 PM
Wanna see popularity... Dave Lavery has his name on 1331 web pages and in 22 journals. I suspect that some of them are not the same Dave we all know but they must still be nerds since I searched their name on www.scirus.com.

Elgin Clock
06-23-2004, 10:05 PM
Fame? You think its bad being famous...

Between Andy B. and Andy G. being Andy A. has some unspoken expectations put on it.

Seriously folks, living up to the Andy lastinitialhere. name thing is a little rough at times. I find my self lying awake at night trying to think of ways to make the Andy's who have come before me proud.

It's a hard knock life, being an Andy in this world.

-Andy A.Oh boy...
Now we have (at least) 4 Andys in FIRST?

There is Andy Grady - Team 126 - Gael Force (among other teams)
Andy Baker - Team 45 - TechnoKats
Andy Brockaway - Team 716 - Who's C Techs?
and now a 4th Andy,
Andy A from Team 885

Wow... All these Andy's and no abundant mass of Annies to keep them company... :rolleyes:

Ben Lauer
06-23-2004, 10:37 PM
Fame? Why not. Who doesn't want to have fame, well at least be known. But I think of it slightly different.

I want to have something of mine be known. I want to have a great feat, or great problem known because it was solved. I don't want myself to be known for doing it, just have it be known that it was done. I guess I don't want fame as i see it today. I don't want to be that one guy who did that one thing. I want others say, "Oh wow, I am really glad some one finally did that, Thanks to whoever it was."

Solace
06-23-2004, 10:53 PM
though I've never been privileged to have any personal fame, I do constantly endeavor to gain more recognition for my team in the FIRST community. It's so cool to be able to tell someone from california that I'm from team 571, and for them to actually know who we are. My need for recognition and fame is satisfied as long as i know that all the work i have put in throughout the year was not done simply so that we would fade back into obscurity at the end. Had you ever heard of 571 two years ago? hmmm? probably not. hopefully, we have started to change that.

yeah, i know, so I'm a fairly egotistical person. but being humble really takes all the fun out of it, don't you think?

Dorienne
06-23-2004, 11:58 PM
though I've never been privileged to have any personal fame, I do constantly endeavor to gain more recognition for my team in the FIRST community. It's so cool to be able to tell someone from california that I'm from team 571, and for them to actually know who we are. My need for recognition and fame is satisfied as long as i know that all the work i have put in throughout the year was not done simply so that we would fade back into obscurity at the end. Had you ever heard of 571 two years ago? hmmm? probably not. hopefully, we have started to change that.

yeah, i know, so I'm a fairly egotistical person. but being humble really takes all the fun out of it, don't you think?

Everyone wants recognition for the team, of course. You need popularity in the competitions it seems in order to be chosen for finals and such. It's not a big deal to want popularity for your team, but for yourself personally. And I do agree with you, it is cool for people to know your team. Ours, for instance, uses James Bond as the theme, considering our number is 7...we had fun with it and put the 007 in there. :) People always come up to us and are like "I remember you guys! You're team double-07! You all are so cool! We love your theme.." and such. It's really cool...but there can be consequences about personal fame.
But hey, I really agree with you ^___^;
--d0ri