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Corey Balint
03-01-2005, 01:54 PM
For quick reference, here is the updated point system being used in a bunch of the leagues.

20-1st seed
12-2nd and 3rd seed
6-4th through 8th
3-9th through 12th
1-12th through 16th
(Seeding before selections)
4-Quarterfinalists
14-Semifinalists
24-Finalists
42-Winners
24-Chairmans
4-Woodie Flowers
2-Win(s)
-2-Loss(es)
1-Tie(s)
8-Highest score
16-Rookie All-Star
2-for every non-placement award, except previously mentioned

Any changes can be made here, suggestions/comments and all of those things as well.

Conor Ryan
03-01-2005, 03:12 PM
i'd say that the system works and i like it. do you think there should be a bonus if you pick a team that goes undefeated, or goes without a win?

Corey Balint
03-01-2005, 03:25 PM
Not really, I think the Win/Loss/Tie system covers that enough. Think of it like this:
You win 7-no losses-you gain 14 points
You win 6-Lose one-you gain 10.
4 point swing
Win 5-Lose 2-6 points....
8 point swing.

It all equals out really.

Besides, elimination rounds is where it will really matter. If you cant win there, then the rest of the wins are moot.

Conor Ryan
03-01-2005, 04:18 PM
ok as i type this i'm creating an interactive scoring sheet in excel, all you will need to do is input someones teams they picked and the results of the competition and bam you got a winner. Thank god for snowdays

Alex Cormier
03-06-2005, 07:06 PM
UPDATE! Version 2

same rules as previous leagues and heres the point system adopted from corey.

20....1st seed
12....2nd and 3rd seed
6......4th through 8th
3......9th through 12th
1......12th through 16th
(Seeding before selections)
4......Quarter finalists
14.....Semifinalists
24.....Finalists
42.....Winners
24.....Chairmans
20.....Engineering Inspiration Award
15.....Rookie All-Star
8......Woodie Flowers
2......Win(s)
-2.....Loss(es)
1......Tie(s)
8.......Highest score
2.......for every non-placement award, except previously mentioned

also here is a good explanation on what Fantasy FIRST is by Levin 571.

You pick 3 teams (based on a draft order that will be put out later), a possible prize is chosen like rep or shirts, then you watch the competition. Two points for each win your teams collect, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss.

If you want to later you can send in a list of what teams you want but it all depends on the draft order if you actually get those teams.

you are allowed to trade teams only fairly though 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 even 3 for 3. the dead line for trading is the wed. before the competition.

Corey Balint
03-23-2005, 05:21 PM
Just posting here so everyone can see it.

I Will score all my leagues when FIRST gets the official results in, i dont want to finish a league and find out something is wrong, then rescore it and have a different person win.

Alex Cormier
03-23-2005, 06:01 PM
UPDATE! Version 3

same rules as previous leagues and heres the point system adopted from corey.

(Seeding before selections)
20....1st seed
12....2nd and 3rd seed
6......4th through 8th
3......9th through 12th
2......12th through 16th

4......Quarter finalists
14.....Semifinalists
24.....Finalists
42.....Winners

24.....Chairmans
20.....Engineering Inspiration Award

15.....Rookie All-Star
10.....Rooke Inspiration
8......Woodie Flowers

2......Win(s)
-2.....Loss(es)
1......Tie(s)
8.......Highest score / Highest Rookie Seed

5....... Judges Award
2.......for every non-placement award, except previously mentioned

also here is a good explanation on what Fantasy FIRST is by Levin 571.

You pick 3 teams (based on a draft order that will be put out later), a possible prize is chosen like rep or shirts, then you watch the competition. Two points for each win your teams collect, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss.

If you want to later you can send in a list of what teams you want but it all depends on the draft order if you actually get those teams.

you are allowed to trade teams only fairly though 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 even 3 for 3. the dead line for trading is the wed. before the competition.

Lil' Lavery
03-29-2005, 03:13 PM
An award should be worth more than a win. Several teams get 5 or 6 wins, but very few get more than 1 award, if any at all. So I think awards should be worth 3 or 4 at least.
Also, why is the judges award worth more than a normal? That doesnt really make any sense to me. :confused:

Billfred
03-29-2005, 03:38 PM
Unless it gets revised by tomorrow night, I'll throw something out...if FIRST declares that Chairman's and EI are their top two honors, would it not make sense to make them worth more than Regional Champion?

Here's how I'd do it if I ran the world...

Champion: 36
EI: 42
Chairman's: 48

Just my thoughts--unless it gets official here, I won't be doing it for Palmetto FF.

Corey Balint
03-29-2005, 03:51 PM
The awards i guess it is ok if we bump them up to 4 points from now on.

I think boosting the points for Chairmans and EI is a good idea aswell.

4......Quarter finalists
10.....Semifinalists
20.....Finalists
30.....Winners
36......EI
42....Chairmans

Sound good?

Koko Ed
03-29-2005, 04:28 PM
The awards i guess it is ok if we bump them up to 4 points from now on.

I think boosting the points for Chairmans and EI is a good idea aswell.

4......Quarter finalists
10.....Semifinalists
20.....Finalists
30.....Winners
36......EI
42....Chairmans

Sound good?
That is excellent.
Good job Corey.

Jones571
03-30-2005, 09:43 PM
Alright here is an amendment for the championship division.....

Points for the robots picked for an alliance:

picked by first round points 2nd round
1st 8 4
2nd 7 3.5
3rd 6 3
4th 5 2.5
5th 4 2
6th 3 1.5
7th 3 1
8th 1 .5

Koko Ed and i have been talking about and think it would make the mid level robots much more competitive and help make it more exciting

Alex Cormier
03-30-2005, 09:47 PM
Alright here is an amendment for the championship division.....

Points for the robots picked for an alliance:

picked by first round points 2nd round
1st 8 4
2nd 7 3.5
3rd 6 3
4th 5 2.5
5th 4 2
6th 3 1.5
7th 3 1
8th 1 .5

Koko Ed and i have been talking about and think it would make the mid level robots much more competitive and help make it more exciting

real good idea but keep it simple this year and now.5 its already a hassle to score 30 team regionals.

Koko Ed
03-30-2005, 09:50 PM
real good idea but keep it simple this year and now.5 its already a hassle to score 30 team regionals.
Hiw about from 8 to 1 then?

Jones571
03-30-2005, 09:56 PM
the only thing with that is a first pick should be given more then a second pick .5 really wont complicate it by that much it more just means u can win by a half point how much closer fo a competition can you get. hmm maybe we should ask jessica if she could score this again she rocked last year it was a huge help.

Alex Cormier
03-31-2005, 05:33 PM
UPDATE! Version 3.5 - Championships

same rules as previous leagues and heres the point system adopted from corey.

(Seeding before selections)
20....1st seed
12....2nd and 3rd seed
6......4th through 8th
3......9th through 12th
2......12th through 16th

Selections
picked by first round...points 2nd round
1st...8.....4
2nd..7.....3.5
3rd...6.....3
4th...5.....2.5
5th...4.....2
6th...3.....1.5
7th...3......1
8th...1.....(.5)

5......Quarter finalists - Division
10....Semifinalists - Division
15....Finalists - Division
25....Divisional Winners

15.....Semifinalists - Einstein field
25.....Finalists - Einstein Field
35.....Winners - Einstein Field

80.....Chairmans - Nationals
45.....Engineering Inspiration Award - Nationals
25.....Rookie All-Star
20.....Rookie Inspiration
15......Woodie Flowers

2......Win(s)
-2.....Loss(es)
1......Tie(s)
10.......Highest score / Highest Rookie Seed

10.......for every non-placement award, except previously mentioned


also here is a good explanation on what Fantasy FIRST is by Levin 571.

You pick 3 teams (based on a draft order that will be put out later), a possible prize is chosen like rep or shirts, then you watch the competition. Two points for each win your teams collect, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss.

If you want to later you can send in a list of what teams you want but it all depends on the draft order if you actually get those teams.

you are allowed to trade teams only fairly though 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 even 3 for 3. the dead line for trading is the wed. before the competition.

Jessica Boucher
03-31-2005, 07:57 PM
hmm maybe we should ask jessica if she could score this again she rocked last year it was a huge help.

Hah...You guys sure know how to get me to do something...blatant, awesome flattery. :D

I should have something up & running by next week.

Jones571
03-31-2005, 08:20 PM
Hah...You guys sure know how to get me to do something...blatant, awesome flattery. :D

I should have something up & running by next week.

and i thought i was just being honest :rolleyes:

Lil' Lavery
04-02-2005, 02:05 AM
the only thing Id change now would be making the 1st round selections ALL worth more than the 2nd round ones. I mean why would being picked 8th be 1/8th as valuable as being picked 9th? Your already probably gonna score more points on the playing field anyway, why double reward the 9th picked team?

Jones571
04-02-2005, 10:01 AM
the only thing Id change now would be making the 1st round selections ALL worth more than the 2nd round ones. I mean why would being picked 8th be 1/8th as valuable as being picked 9th? Your already probably gonna score more points on the playing field anyway, why double reward the 9th picked team?

Hmm makes sense could you please post an example of how we should change it we are open to ideas

Jessica Boucher
04-02-2005, 08:44 PM
Alright, guys...as soon as the whitepaper is approved, you've got yourselves a database. Enjoy, and send me any comments/suggestions/bugs.

Edit: its here! http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/papers.php?s=&action=single&paperid=482

Jones571
04-02-2005, 11:14 PM
Alright, guys...as soon as the whitepaper is approved, you've got yourselves a database. Enjoy, and send me any comments/suggestions/bugs.

Edit: its here! http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/papers.php?s=&action=single&paperid=482

Great job!!! looks good as of now just gunna play with it some more!

Lil' Lavery
04-05-2005, 02:31 PM
Heres what I propose for the ranking system:
1st-8 4
2nd-7.5 3.5
3rd-7 3
4th-6.5 2.5
5th-6 2
6th-5.5 1.5
7th-5 1
8th-4.5 .5

Jessica Boucher
04-25-2005, 02:09 AM
If you guys can get me a consolidated list of who ended up with which teams, I would be happy to figure out a winner.....