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Tom Bottiglieri
03-01-2005, 04:25 PM
Hmmm I think I stumbled upon something... ;)

www.team195.com/files/05div.htm

Kyle
03-01-2005, 04:28 PM
Where did you find that????

Cory
03-01-2005, 04:29 PM
Alright Tom, I'll bite :rolleyes:

I'll believe you when you show me a usfirst.org page that shows the same thing.

Second, it looks like you just went and put the teams into divisions by starting with the lowest team in division 1, second lowest in division 2, etc. I may be wrong, but I don't think FIRST does it this way.

You also put 180 in there twice and 188 and 84 out of order :p

Koko Ed
03-01-2005, 04:32 PM
Eh, it's early.
They'll be ALOT more teams when the official divisions come up.

Corey Balint
03-01-2005, 04:47 PM
HAHAHAHA. Nice job Tom.

Last year, FIRST's process was rather simple, at least i thought so and if i remember correctly. They just counted off, 1,2,3,4, and placed teams into the divisions that way. It did change more though, when teams decided on going if they had won a regional/chairmans. For the most part, it may be accurate through the top one or two hundred.

Kyle
03-01-2005, 04:55 PM
Where did you find that????
Yea i bet all of you thought that i was tricked, but i wasn't i was just umm... acting, yea thats it I knew it was a fake all along, *nervous laugh*

D.J. Fluck
03-01-2005, 04:56 PM
Not quite, buddy.... :p

Nothing will ever top the "Nationals is cancelled" rumor that threw everyone off a few years ago

Tom Bottiglieri
03-01-2005, 04:59 PM
Not quite, buddy.... :p

Nothing will ever top the "Nationals is cancelled" rumor that threw everyone off a few years ago
Or how about FIRST is moving to Indiana... :rolleyes:

D.J. Fluck
03-01-2005, 05:08 PM
Or how about FIRST is moving to Indiana... :rolleyes:

Hey, nobody has come out and disproved that yet :D

Rick TYler
03-01-2005, 05:11 PM
Hmmm I think I stumbled upon something... ;)

DooD!!1! You left off my team -- but that's OK. We don't look high tech and don't have custom machined parts. My feelings aren't hurt. Much...

But you did leave off team 492. Big mistake. Big. They rock. I've seen their bot scoop up a vision tetra without slowing down and get it into place above the tall goal in about 5 seconds. In autonomous mode. Respect the Titan Robotics Club (http://www.titanrobotics.net/) .

They aren't the only good Washington team, either. Team 1039 has a slick rotating tower and a solid drive train. They rock too. Team 1318 has a really interesting double-skewer that is just as good at picking tetras from the floor as from the auto loader.

Looks like a case of discrimination against the PNW regional to me... :]

Joe Matt
03-01-2005, 05:16 PM
NO! That can't be true, we arn't pitted next to MOE! :(

Eugenia Gabrielov
03-01-2005, 05:58 PM
Oh my. Well, all I have to say to that, is FIRST is coming to Indiana :P

dez250
03-01-2005, 06:13 PM
The scoring system has been being tested to great lengths recently to try to avoid problems from future times. Tom if you did see anything it was only a test and nothing even close to official.

Karthik
03-01-2005, 06:18 PM
Nice try Tom!

For a second let's suppose that this was legitimate. Look at the murderers row that's been created in Galileo; 33, 47, 60 & 71 would all be adjacent in pit row.

Tom Bottiglieri
03-01-2005, 06:49 PM
Nice try Tom!

For a second let's suppose that this was legitimate. Look at the murderers row that's been created in Galileo; 33, 47, 60 & 71 would all be adjacent in pit row.

Not to mention the powerhouses of 21, 173, *shameless plug* 195, and 237.

R.J.
03-01-2005, 09:06 PM
We shall wait and see inthe upcoming weeks what the divisions for the championships will be. In the meantime, that speculated list if It turned out to be the actually list then the championships will definitely be exciting.

Jon K.
03-01-2005, 09:50 PM
Not to mention the powerhouses of 21, 173, *shameless plug* 195, and 237.
I am all in on that one. I have wanted to be back in the same division as the Beast since 02 when we won with them. I think they should go back to that pick 5 in a row thing. That created some interesting match ups from around the country, and what the best part was though is that a lot of the early teams that were around in 98 when the numbers were "set" were in the same divisions, so that a lot of the UTC teams, and GM teams were together, that created some good match ups in Newton that year.

Joe Ross
03-01-2005, 09:51 PM
From the source:

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;)

Jon K.
03-01-2005, 10:01 PM
From the source:

<o:DocumentProperties>

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<o:LastAuthor>Tom Bottiglieri</o:LastAuthor>

<o:Created>2005-03-01T20:53:47Z</o:Created>

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;)

BUT..... It is also hosted on 195's site so that would explain him being the author, as he wasn't linking to the FIRST website.

Alex Golec
03-01-2005, 10:04 PM
I'll bite and throw it back: this is inaccurate in my opinion. Assuming that the teams listed on that page are the current competitors, the Juggernauts should be in the Galileo division. The template for divisions is: Archimedes, Curie, Newton, Galileo- this has been in use since 2003. The teams are basically listed numerically and sorted by that template. (1st, 5th, 9th, and so on are in the first division; 2nd, 6th, .. in the second division; and so on) The division that start the list rotates each year. The first team numerically in both 2003 and 2004 was the Juggernauts (0001). In 03 they we placed in Curie, and last year they participated in Newton. Following the template, they should be placed in Galileo this year. Thats my $.02 analysis of the championship sorting system. Attached is my current unofficial division listing- I've been updating it since 3 months ago just to see how my team moves around as teams join in and drop out. However, through the power of coincidence, 469 has ended up in Galileo- what I expected based on my sheet.

_Alex

Jon K.
03-01-2005, 10:31 PM
I'll bite and throw it back: this is inaccurate in my opinion. Assuming that the teams listed on that page are the current competitors, the Juggernauts should be in the Galileo division. The template for divisions is: Archimedes, Curie, Newton, Galileo- this has been in use since 2003. The teams are basically listed numerically and sorted by that template. (1st, 5th, 9th, and so on are in the first division; 2nd, 6th, .. in the second division; and so on) The division that start the list rotates each year. The first team numerically in both 2003 and 2004 was the Juggernauts (0001). In 03 they we placed in Curie, and last year they participated in Newton. Following the template, they should be placed in Galileo this year. Thats my $.02 analysis of the championship sorting system. Attached is my current unofficial division listing- I've been updating it since 3 months ago just to see how my team moves around as teams join in and drop out. However, through the power of coincidence, 469 has ended up in Galileo- what I expected based on my sheet.

_Alex

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Anyone else get this when trying to open the attatchment? And does anyone know how to correct this?

BoyWithCape195
03-01-2005, 10:43 PM
Anyone else get this when trying to open the attatchment? And does anyone know how to correct this?


I got the same thing....Right click save target as. Then right click on the icon where u saved it to (will save as an explorer file (mine did)) and "open with" then select excel.

Jon K.
03-01-2005, 10:58 PM
I got the same thing....Right click save target as. Then right click on the icon where u saved it to (will save as an explorer file (mine did)) and "open with" then select excel.

That works thanks,

I like that version a lot too because we are still with some awesome teams.

Lil' Lavery
03-03-2005, 02:56 PM
Nice try. One major mistake though. If you had put 116 in its proper size and bolded it I would have beleived you. =P

whakojacko
03-06-2005, 01:09 AM
were not on the list (no love :( )

Kit Gerhart
03-06-2005, 08:01 AM
Hey, nobody has come out and disproved that yet :D
That would seem reasonable for FIRST to move to Indiana. After all, the national model airplane organization, AMA, moved to Indiana from Washington D.C. a few years ago. Land is cheap in Indiana, unlike in the northeast and middle Atlantic areas.

Koko Ed
03-13-2005, 04:21 PM
How the championship would look after week 1.

1 (Archimedes) 2 (Curie) 3 (Galileo) 4 (Newton)



1 7 1116
19 20 21 22
25 27 33 34
41 45 47 48
49 53 60 63
65 66 71 73
74 75 79 85
86 88 93 94
95 103 107 108
111 114 116 120
121 122 123 125
126 128 131 135
136 138 141 148
151 155 158 159
167 168 173 175
178 179 180 184
190 191 195 203
217 222 223 224
228 230 231 233
234 236 237 247
250 254 263 271
272 279 280 281
288 292 294 296
301 302 304 308
322 326 329 330
335 337 340 341
342 343 345 346
353 357 358 359
365 364 365 371
379 384 386 388
395 399 401 404
406 415 433 435
440 444 447 451
461 462 469 486
494 499 515 518
521 522 529 546
548 549 555 563
573 578 582 587
588 596 612 613
614 616 618 638
650 662 677 687
701 703 710 714
716 752 754 758
766 768 801 803
807 810 811 812
816 818 824 830
843 868 894 896
904 930 933 945
967 972 977 980
981 987 989 997
1000 1002 1019 1022
1023 1024 1033 1038
1048 1071 1083 1089
1094 1100 1102 1114
1126 1137 1138 1140
1153 1180 1188 1189
1208 1211 1216 1218
1219 1241 1250 1251
1257 1261 1272 1280
1286 1287 1289 1345
1350 1367 1369 1370
1388 1389 1391 1394
1402 1403 1422 1450
1497 1511 1517 1610
1648 1671

Cory
03-13-2005, 04:29 PM
Galileo would be the most insane division ever.

Jon K.
03-13-2005, 10:14 PM
Galileo would be the most insane division ever.


Very similar to 02, when Newton had some of the highest caliber teams there are. We had most of the UTC teams, numerous GM teams, and the BEAST.

I don't mind Galileo if it turns out like that......

Koko Ed
03-13-2005, 10:23 PM
Very similar to 02, when Newton had some of the highest caliber teams there are. We had most of the UTC teams, numerous GM teams, and the BEAST.

I don't mind Galileo if it turns out like that......
By next week it'll change alot.
I bet at least 20 teams sign up for the championship.

Greg Needel
03-13-2005, 10:30 PM
By next week it'll change alot.
I bet at least 20 teams sign up for the championship.


i doubt that...i think that most of the additions we will see are rookie teams as all the other teams had oppertunity to sign up openly.

Alex Cormier
03-13-2005, 10:48 PM
Hmmmm.... interesting ;)

Joe Matt
03-14-2005, 04:44 PM
What makes you guys think this year's fields will be named Newton, Cure, Archimedes, and Galileo? I've heard some new names floating around..... ;)

Goobergunch
03-14-2005, 09:25 PM
i doubt that...i think that most of the additions we will see are rookie teams as all the other teams had oppertunity to sign up openly.

Meh. Some veteran teams don't have the support to go unless they were to win by qualifying. For instance, 1168 is a third-year team that has never gone to nationals. Although we could have signed up during the open registration period (heck, I really wanted to), there wasn't enough support from other team members and our school to do so. However, if we were to win at our regional, I can almost guarantee that my team would be so motivated to go that we'd be able to raise the money and get the permission to go.

Greg Needel
03-15-2005, 10:09 PM
What makes you guys think this year's fields will be named Newton, Cure, Archimedes, and Galileo? I've heard some new names floating around..... ;)


2005 division names:

Lavery, flowers, Baker, johnson and the main field being Kamen

whakojacko
03-15-2005, 10:14 PM
Meh. Some veteran teams don't have the support to go unless they were to win by qualifying. For instance, 1168 is a third-year team that has never gone to nationals. Although we could have signed up during the open registration period (heck, I really wanted to), there wasn't enough support from other team members and our school to do so. However, if we were to win at our regional, I can almost guarantee that my team would be so motivated to go that we'd be able to raise the money and get the permission to go.

Yes same here, except it wasnt a money issue. Our coach wouldnt let us go unless (i believe) we got to the finals of a regional. But we won sacramento, so were going anyways.

Koko Ed
03-20-2005, 08:01 AM
i doubt that...i think that most of the additions we will see are rookie teams as all the other teams had oppertunity to sign up openly.
Check it out: From 258 to 286.

Here's this weeks list.

1 (Archimedes) 2 (Curie) 3 (Galileo) 4 (Newton)


1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 41
45 47 48 49
53 57 60 63
65 66 67 68
69 71 73 74
75 79 85 86
88 93 94 95
103 107 108 111
114 116 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 167
168 173 175 176
178 179 180 184
190 191 195 203
217 222 223 224
228 230 231 233
234 236 237 247
250 254 263 271
272 279 280 281
288 292 294 296
301 302 304 308
322 326 329 330
335 337 340 341
342 343 345 346
350 353 357 358
359 362 364 365
371 379 384 386
388 395 399 401
404 406 415 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 469
481 486 492 494
499 515 518 521
522 529 537 546
548 549 555 563
573 578 582 587
588 596 604 612
613 614 616 618
638 650 662 677
687 701 703 710
714 716 752 754
758 766 768 801
803 807 810 811
812 816 818 824
830 842 843 868
894 896 904 930
931 933 939 945
957 967 972 977
980 981 987 989
997 1000 1002 1014
1019 1022 1023 1024
1033 1038 1048 1071
1072 1083 1089 1094
1100 1102 1114 1126
1137 1138 1140 1153
1180 1188 1189 1208
1211 1216 1218 1219
1241 1249 1250 1251
1257 1259 1261 1272
1280 1286 1287 1289
1324 1345 1350 1367
1369 1370 1388 1389
1391 1394 1402 1403
1422 1444 1450 1492
1497 1510 1511 1517
1527 1592 1595 1596
1610 1625 1648 1665
1671 1708

Alex Martin
03-20-2005, 10:20 PM
is it somehow possible we will end up in Archimedes again?

Koko Ed
03-20-2005, 10:23 PM
is it somehow possible we will end up in Archimedes again?
Well there's two more weeks of competition so anything is possible.

Yan Wang
03-20-2005, 10:38 PM
We are registering for championships. It will take a bit more fundraising, but we will get there.

Dorienne
03-20-2005, 11:35 PM
How does the breakdown work for which divisions each team is in? Do they randomly place us or do they just go by order like Ed did up there? Sorry, I never really knew how FIRST did it. Does anyone have any clue how they divide us up?

nobrakes8
03-21-2005, 01:55 AM
Somebody at FIRST is reading this post, now that people are speculateing FIRST will probably just throw a curve ball and start with 1671, 1648, 1610, 1517 working backwards, just so they could laugh at us for trying to figure out their system. (if it was nice and even with 4 teams across the bottom row it wouldnt really matter)

But hey if FIRST wants to put 1071 and 126 in the same divison we won't complain ;-)

Koko Ed
03-21-2005, 05:07 AM
Somebody at FIRST is reading this post, now that people are speculateing FIRST will probably just throw a curve ball and start with 1671, 1648, 1610, 1517 working backwards, just so they could laugh at us for trying to figure out their system. (if it was nice and even with 4 teams across the bottom row it wouldnt really matter)

But hey if FIRST wants to put 1071 and 126 in the same divison we won't complain ;-)
This is the way FIRST has been doing this the past few years. It's easy for them so I doubt they could care less about some specualtive post on a messageboard.

Chris Fultz
03-21-2005, 11:54 AM
I overheard some of the FIRST people talking at Florida and the Boilermaker regionals - they are looking at naming the fields after companies that want to sponsor the field, sort of like sports arenas. It will be a great fund-raiser for FIRST and help keep the cost down for teams.

Top candidates so far - Coke, Pepsi, Sprint, Verizon and American Express.

Kit Gerhart
03-21-2005, 12:25 PM
I overheard some of the FIRST people talking at Florida and the Boilermaker regionals - they are looking at naming the fields after companies that want to sponsor the field, sort of like sports arenas. It will be a great fund-raiser for FIRST and help keep the cost down for teams.

Top candidates so far - Coke, Pepsi, Sprint, Verizon and American Express.
How about Bud, Coors Light, Jack Daniels, Marlboro, and Skoal, or would those sponsors not present the right image for FIRST.

MarciCochran447
03-21-2005, 01:38 PM
I overheard some of the FIRST people talking at Florida and the Boilermaker regionals - they are looking at naming the fields after companies that want to sponsor the field, sort of like sports arenas. It will be a great fund-raiser for FIRST and help keep the cost down for teams.

Top candidates so far - Coke, Pepsi, Sprint, Verizon and American Express.


OH, Say it ain't so! Is nothing sacred?

I am all for making things more affordable to teams, as I am already spending a great deal of my "spare time" raising funds for my team. If we must showcase sponsors in order to defray costs FOR TEAMS, then how about this...

Archimedes (brought to you by Coke)
Curie (brought to you by Pepsi)
Galileo (brought to you by Sprint)
Newton (brought to you by American Express)

:)

Kyle
03-21-2005, 02:57 PM
How about Bud, Coors Light, Jack Daniels, Marlboro, and Skoal, or would those sponsors not present the right image for FIRST. That is a bit harsh, I know that that had been talked about in another thread. I also don't think that they would be the proper sponsors for the fields unless they used there other corporate names.

Kit Gerhart
03-21-2005, 03:56 PM
That is a bit harsh, I know that that had been talked about in another thread. I also don't think that they would be the proper sponsors for the fields unless they used there other corporate names.
I was being facetious with my list of "sponsors," hence the smiley. ....but just think how much FIRST could use some of the money they provide to NASCAR teams.:)

Kyle
03-21-2005, 04:05 PM
I was being facetious with my list of "sponsors," hence the smiley. I didn't mean to be well, mean.I was at school and the smilies didn't register there so I didn't see them, :)

Kit Gerhart
03-21-2005, 04:08 PM
I didn't mean to be well, mean.I was at school and the smilies didn't register there so I didn't see them, :)
No problem :)

Chris Fultz
03-21-2005, 05:52 PM
OH, Say it ain't so! Is nothing sacred? :)


Remember, we are in the "rumor mill", and I have been on limited sleep for 5 days..... ;)

Karthik
03-21-2005, 06:01 PM
I overheard some of the FIRST people talking at Florida and the Boilermaker regionals - they are looking at naming the fields after companies that want to sponsor the field, sort of like sports arenas. It will be a great fund-raiser for FIRST and help keep the cost down for teams.

Top candidates so far - Coke, Pepsi, Sprint, Verizon and American Express.This is not without precedent. Last year at the Canadian Super Regional in Toronto, we had two fields. Our lead sponsor was General Motors of Canada, and the fields were named "Pontiac" and "Chevrolet". Over top of each field, there was a large banner with the field name. It was pretty neat.

Koko Ed
03-24-2005, 05:07 PM
Well now there are over 300 (http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=CMP&event%20year=2005&status=registered&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find) team signed up for the championship including a pair of rookie teams form Isreal! :)

Koko Ed
03-25-2005, 09:35 PM
Here's this weeks list.

1 (Archimedes) 2 (Curie) 3 (Galileo) 4 (Newton)

1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 41
45 47 48 49
53 57 60 63
65 66 67 68
69 71 73 74
75 79 85 86
88 93 94 95
103 107 108 111
114 116 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 167
168 173 175 176
178 179 180 184
190 191 195 203
217 222 223 224
228 230 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 250 254 263
269 271 272 279
280 281 288 292
294 296 301 302
304 308 322 326
329 330 335 337
340 341 342 343
345 346 350 353
357 358 359 362
364 365 371 375
379 384 386 388
395 399 401 404
406 415 433 435
440 444 447 451
461 462 469 481
486 492 494 499
503 515 518 521
522 527 529 537
538 546 548 549
555 563 573 578
582 587 588 596
604 612 614 616
618 638 650 662
677 687 701 703
710 714 716 752
754 758 766 768
801 803 807 810
811 812 816 818
824 830 832 842
843 868 894 896
904 930 931 933
939 945 957 967
972 977 980 981
987 989 997 1000
1002 1014 1019 1022
1023 1024 1027 1033
1038 1071 1072 1083
1089 1094 1100 1102
1108 1114 1126 1137
1138 1140 1153 1180
1188 1189 1208 1211
1216 1218 1219 1241
1249 1250 1251 1257
1259 1261 1272 1279
1280 1286 1287 1289
1324 1345 1350 1367
1369 1370 1388 1389
1391 1394 1402 1403
1422 1444 1450 1492
1497 1506 1507 1510
1511 1517 1527 1546
1574 1577 1592 1595
1596 1610 1625 1646
1648 1665 1671 1676
1708

Lil' Lavery
03-27-2005, 05:22 PM
2005 division names:

Lavery, flowers, Baker, johnson and the main field being Kamen

Now wouldn't it be ironic if 116 landed in a division other than Lavery? :p




Hmmm... I wonder if 118 will go now that they've won Colorado. Itll be interesting. That would bump 122 into our(116's) division, and push 173 out. Not sure if that is better or worse for us....

Alex Cormier
03-27-2005, 05:28 PM
wow, currently
Galileo is one crazy division, i hope it stays like that.

Meyerman
03-27-2005, 05:54 PM
well folks time to shift yer divisions team 56! all the way at the top of the list in now goin to nationals as long as we get the money to go sooo hopefully we will be were team 57 is now. being we are lower at least it dosnt look like we will be next to team 60 in the pits this year or like we will get our buddies team 237 in our division but alot will change by the time the real list comes out.

Koko Ed
03-27-2005, 06:37 PM
well folks time to shift yer divisions team 56! all the way at the top of the list in now goin to nationals as long as we get the money to go sooo hopefully we will be were team 57 is now. being we are lower at least it dosnt look like we will be next to team 60 in the pits this year or like we will get our buddies team 237 in our division but alot will change by the time the real list comes out.
A new list will be here next week. If you guys sign up you'll be there.

Tom Bottiglieri
03-27-2005, 06:46 PM
wow, currently
Galileo is one crazy division, i hope it stays like that.
I dont... :ahh:

Koko Ed
03-27-2005, 06:55 PM
wow, currently
Galileo is one crazy division, i hope it stays like that.
At the championship all the divisions are tough.

ali_rockon22
03-27-2005, 07:19 PM
I wish Galeleio stays that way. It has 254 and 980, along with other great teams, and people saw what happens when these three teams are together. :)

Kevin Sevcik
03-27-2005, 07:39 PM
well folks time to shift yer divisions team 56! all the way at the top of the list in now goin to nationals as long as we get the money to go sooo hopefully we will be were team 57 is now. being we are lower at least it dosnt look like we will be next to team 60 in the pits this year or like we will get our buddies team 237 in our division but alot will change by the time the real list comes out.

*shakes fist* curse you! If you were team 58 I could postpone my planning on how to deal with 71......

Koko Ed
03-27-2005, 07:43 PM
*shakes fist* curse you! If you were team 58 I could postpone my planning on how to deal with 71......
Like dealing with 67 is a consolation prize. :rolleyes:

Swampdude
03-27-2005, 07:48 PM
Hey I want 71 in my division. Just means there's a chance of winning nats. You know they're gonna be there again.... I wanna know what was in that shiny suitcase???? :confused: Maybe Woody's bling medalion? Or the secret Pepsi formula?

Koko Ed
03-27-2005, 07:59 PM
Hey I want 71 in my division. Just means there's a chance of winning nats. You know they're gonna be there again.... I wanna know what was in that shiny suitcase???? :confused: Maybe Woody's bling medalion? Or the secret Pepsi formula?
Especially in Coke town.

Side note: You'd think Coke would've started at least one team after having a Pepsi sponsored team win it all in their backyard.

mhayon
03-27-2005, 11:32 PM
Marsellus Wallace's soul.

MasonMM
03-28-2005, 12:38 AM
Hmmm... I wonder if 118 will go now that they've won Colorado. Itll be interesting.

Oh it's looking mighty good for the robonauts right now, after our sucess in denver. Atlanta better watch out, the monster Chainzilla is on its way.

Winged Wonder
03-28-2005, 04:17 PM
Oh it's looking mighty good for the robonauts right now, after our sucess in denver. Atlanta better watch out, the monster Chainzilla is on its way.
mmm... Chainzilla is most certainly one of my favorite bots, along with Swampthing and a few others :D i'm excited to see you guys in Atlanta!

and ooo we're in Newton now? we had this long streak of being in Archemidies, and last year we were in Curie, and as i've gone through this thread, on all of the lists we're in Newton now. :) not that i'm complaining, but its kind of neat.

and as for the changing of division names... whats going to happen when more divisions are needed? i'm curious to see how that turns out...

Lil' Lavery
03-28-2005, 04:59 PM
Being in a horribly tough division isnt always a bad thing. Sure, itll be harder to win that division, but if you win it, then youll have a good shot at winning the entire championship event as you should have (in theory) the best teams as they are the best of the best division. Of course, this doesnt always hold true. And in a tougher division its a LOT more likely that youll see a "powerhouse" team go down in the elimination matches.
And of course, a loaded division should mean some REALLY exciting matches, especially in the semis and finals, which is good for the spectators. And seeing as 116 probably won't (hopefully Im wrong) be in those last few matches, it means more excitment for us! :D That is if we end up in the "loaded division".

SizzelChest330
03-29-2005, 10:03 PM
Were up to 312 now!
so heres this weeks list
I would garentee many more teams will sign up after this weekend so dont think its final

Archimedes Curie Galileo Newton

1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 41
45 47 48 49
53 56 57 60
63 65 66 67
68 69 71 73
74 75 79 85
86 88 93 95
103 107 108 111
114 116 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 168
173 175 176 178
179 180 184 190
191 195 203 217
222 223 224 228
230 231 233 234
236 237 245 247
250 254 263 269
271 272 279 280
281 288 292 294
296 301 302 304
308 314 316 322
326 330 334 335
337 340 341 342
343 345 346 350
353 357 358 359
362 364 365 371
375 379 384 386
388 395 399 401
404 406 415 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 469
481 486 482 494
499 503 515 518
521 522 527 529
537 538 546 548
549 555 563 573
578 588 596 604
612 614 616 618
638 639 650 662
677 687 701 703
710 714 716 752
754 758 766 768
801 803 807 810
811 812 816 818
824 830 832 842
843 868 894 896
904 930 931 933
939 945 957 967
972 977 980 981
987 989 997 1000
1002 1014 1019 1022
1023 1024 1027 1033
1038 1071 1083 1089
1094 1100 1102 1108
1114 1126 1137 1138
1140 1153 1156 1180
1188 1189 1208 1211
1216 1218 1219 1230
1241 1249 1250 1251
1257 1259 1261 1272
1279 1280 1286 1287
1289 1324 1345 1350
1367 1369 1370 1388
1389 1391 1394 1402
1403 1444 1450 1492
1497 1506 1507 1510
1511 1517 1527 1546
1574 1577 1590 1592
1595 1596 1597 1610
1625 1646 1647 1648
1653 1665 1671 1675
1676 1680 1700 1708

The divisions look more evenly distributed this time around ;)

Scott358
03-30-2005, 09:30 PM
Hopefully team 56 is coming, as you have an awesome bot. I was shocked when I heard after the Philly finals you were not going.

Hopefully we can play with you, instead of against you in Atlanta!!!

Scott358
Mentor
Team 358 - Festo Hauppauge Robotic Eagles
2005 Philly finalists
2005 LI Regional Champions (along with 527 and 870)
2005 LI Regional Chairman's Award

Goldeye
03-30-2005, 09:38 PM
Fresh off the press: team 694 will be going to Atlanta.

mrmummert
03-31-2005, 10:16 PM
Hi...

Are these really going to be the divisions? Or will FIRST
assign teams differently than whats posted here?

Also if FIRST does assign teams and divisions,when could
we expect them to post it?

thanks
Mr. Mummert team 1610

nobrakes8
03-31-2005, 10:29 PM
Hi...

Are these really going to be the divisions? Or will FIRST
assign teams differently than whats posted here?

Also if FIRST does assign teams and divisions,when could
we expect them to post it?

thanks
Mr. Mummert team 1610

This is just a guess at how we think the divisons will be set up based on how FIRST has done it the past few years.

I'd assume we could expect the divisions posted shortly after this week when all the Chairman's awards and regional champions are decided. I'm guessing FIRST is going to give the newly qualified teams a few days to decide if they're going to Atlanta or not and then post the divisions.
(That's just a guess on when the divisions will be posted, I could be wrong)

Joe Matt
03-31-2005, 10:46 PM
Oh god...

*please stay pitted next to MOE*
*please stay pitted next to MOE*
*please stay pitted next to MOE*

slickguy2007
04-01-2005, 12:50 PM
It would be funny if FIRST takes a look at this thread and decides to mess with us. They are probably going to devise a new way of organizing teams into divisions and we are going to look at our (bootleg) list and think.... well what a waste of time that was :rolleyes:

GO 1403!!!

Kit Gerhart
04-01-2005, 01:28 PM
It would be funny if FIRST takes a look at this thread and decides to mess with us. They are probably going to devise a new way of organizing teams into divisions and we are going to look at our (bootleg) list and think.... well what a waste of time that was :rolleyes:

GO 1403!!!
I hadn't really thought much about it, but, to me, it would make sense to assign teams to divisions in a totally random manner. The way it has been done in the past, teams with adjacent numbers would "never" be in the same division. It would be nice to have a system that would completely "mix up" the teams into the divisions so, for example, we'd have the possibility of being in the same division with Cyber Blue.

Lil' Lavery
04-01-2005, 02:55 PM
If your prediction holds true, and 118 decides to register (they won colorado so they can), that would put both 122 and 173 in the same division as us! Not to mention our pals on team 388 as well! :ahh:

Jon K.
04-01-2005, 03:49 PM
This is definately based on the past 2 years, in 2002 they took blocks of 5 teams and placed them together, this allowed for teams to really be pitted together, and early teams 1998 and earlier, if they had the same sponsor, they were together, so there were a few GM teams, and then 5 UTC teams in our division that year, it was an interesting way to group them.

mrmummert
04-01-2005, 11:25 PM
Hi all...

Ok here is what we heard from FIRST today about divisions.
They will be posting this years divisions on April 11th. That
was mentioned in an e-mail that was sent to our team today.
I remember reading something about registration being done
by division assignment also for the national.

Thats all i know for now.

Koko Ed
04-02-2005, 08:05 AM
1 (Archimedes) 2 (Curie) 3 (Galileo) 4 (Newton)

1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 38
40 41 45 47
48 49 53 56
57 60 63 65
66 67 68 69
71 73 74 75
79 85 86 88
93 94 95 103
107 108 111 114
116 118 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 168
173 175 176 178
179 180 184 190
191 195 203 217
222 223 224 228
229 230 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 250 254 263
269 271 272 274
279 280 281 287
288 292 294 296
301 302 304 308
314 316 322 326
330 334 335 337
340 341 342 343
345 346 350 353
357 358 359 362
364 365 371 375
379 384 386 388
395 399 401 404
415 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 469 481 486
492 494 499 503
515 518 521 522
527 529 537 538
546 548 549 555
563 573 578 582
587 588 596 604
612 614 616 618
638 639 650 662
677 687 694 701
703 710 714 716
752 754 758 766
768 801 803 807
810 811 812 816
818 824 830 832
842 843 845 868
894 896 904 930
931 933 939 945
957 967 972 977
980 981 987 989
997 1000 1002 1006
1014 1019 1022 1023
1024 1027 1033 1038
1071 1072 1083 1089
1094 1100 1102 1108
1114 1126 1137 1138
1140 1153 1156 1167
1180 1188 1189 1208
1211 1216 1218 1219
1230 1241 1249 1250
1251 1257 1259 1261
1272 1279 1280 1286
1287 1289 1305 1324
1345 1350 1367 1369
1370 1388 1389 1391
1394 1402 1403 1444
1450 1492 1497 1506
1507 1510 1511 1517
1527 1546 1574 1577
1590 1592 1595 1596
1597 1610 1619 1625
1628 1646 1647 1648
1653 1665 1671 1675
1676 1680 1700 1708

nukemknight
04-02-2005, 09:47 AM
Now 401 and 435 are next to each other! Galileo should be a lot of fun (if we can survive). One more team needs to register so 1610 can get in on the fun too.

Lil' Lavery
04-02-2005, 06:07 PM
118 is signed up, so now 122 and 173 are in Arch with us. Pity 388 isnt any more (hopefully they get bumped over 1 division to be in Arch with us).

Joe Matt
04-02-2005, 06:36 PM
118 is signed up, so now 122 and 173 are in Arch with us. Pity 388 isnt any more (hopefully they get bumped over 1 division to be in Arch with us).

Grundy isn't registered anymore? Whaa....

tkwetzel
04-02-2005, 06:46 PM
Grundy isn't registered anymore? Whaa....

I believe that he means that Grundy is not listed in Archimedes anymore.

Also, looking at the list Koko Ed posted...there are at least 16 regionals winners/finalists in Archimedes. That is going to be some stiff competition.

Jon K.
04-03-2005, 12:39 AM
If FIRST was to go back to the 02 way of divisioning then they would look something like this.

Archimedes
1 7 11 16 20 57 60 63 65 66 107 108 111 114 116155 158 159 168 173 229 230 231 233 234 288 292 294 296 301 345 346 350 353 357 415 433 435 440 444 527 529 537 538 546 638 639 650 662 677 810 811 812 816 818 957 967 972 977 980 1071 1072 1083 1089 1094 1211 1216 1218 1219 1230 1345 1350 1367 1369 1370 1527 1546 1574 1577 1590 1676

Curie
21 22 25 27 33 67 68 69 71 73 118 120 121 122 123 175 176 178 179 180 236 237 245 247 250 302 304 308 314 316 358 359 362 364 365 447 451 461 462 469 548 549 555 563 573 687 694 701 703 710 824 830 832 842 843 981 987 989 997 1000 1100 1102 1108 1114 1126 1241 1249 1250 1251 1257 1388 1389 1391 1394 1402 1592 1595 1596 1597 1610 1680

Galileo
34 38 40 41 45 74 75 79 85 86 125 126 128 131 135 184 190 191 195 203 254 263 269 271 272 322 326 330 334 335 371 375 379 384 386 481 486 492 494 499 578 582 587 588 596 714 716 752 754 758 845 868 894 896 904 1002 1006 1014 1019 1022 1137 1138 1140 1153 1156 1259 1261 1272 1279 1280 1403 1444 1450 1492 1497 1619 1625 1628 1646 1647 1700

Newton
47 48 49 53 56 88 93 94 95 103 136 138 141 148 151 217 222 223 224 228 274 279 280 281 287 337 340 341 342 343 388 395 399 401 404 503 515 518 521 522 604 612 614 616 618 766 768 801 803 807 930 931 933 939 945 1023 1024 1027 1033 1038 1167 1180 1188 1189 1208 1286 1287 1289 1305 1324 1506 1507 1510 1511 1517 1648 1653 1665 1671 1675 1708

Koko Ed
04-03-2005, 08:17 AM
If FIRST was to go back to the 02 way of divisioning then they would look something like this.

Archimedes
1 7 11 16 20 57 60 63 65 66 107 108 111 114 116155 158 159 168 173 229 230 231 233 234 288 292 294 296 301 345 346 350 353 357 415 433 435 440 444 527 529 537 538 546 638 639 650 662 677 810 811 812 816 818 957 967 972 977 980 1071 1072 1083 1089 1094 1211 1216 1218 1219 1230 1345 1350 1367 1369 1370 1527 1546 1574 1577 1590 1676

Curie
21 22 25 27 33 67 68 69 71 73 118 120 121 122 123 175 176 178 179 180 236 237 245 247 250 302 304 308 314 316 358 359 362 364 365 447 451 461 462 469 548 549 555 563 573 687 694 701 703 710 824 830 832 842 843 981 987 989 997 1000 1100 1102 1108 1114 1126 1241 1249 1250 1251 1257 1388 1389 1391 1394 1402 1592 1595 1596 1597 1610 1680

Galileo
34 38 40 41 45 74 75 79 85 86 125 126 128 131 135 184 190 191 195 203 254 263 269 271 272 322 326 330 334 335 371 375 379 384 386 481 486 492 494 499 578 582 587 588 596 714 716 752 754 758 845 868 894 896 904 1002 1006 1014 1019 1022 1137 1138 1140 1153 1156 1259 1261 1272 1279 1280 1403 1444 1450 1492 1497 1619 1625 1628 1646 1647 1700

Newton
47 48 49 53 56 88 93 94 95 103 136 138 141 148 151 217 222 223 224 228 274 279 280 281 287 337 340 341 342 343 388 395 399 401 404 503 515 518 521 522 604 612 614 616 618 766 768 801 803 807 930 931 933 939 945 1023 1024 1027 1033 1038 1167 1180 1188 1189 1208 1286 1287 1289 1305 1324 1506 1507 1510 1511 1517 1648 1653 1665 1671 1675 1708

What is the method to the madness of that system?

Logan Byers
04-03-2005, 08:49 AM
It appears to be groups of five starting with 1...

Ryan Dognaux
04-03-2005, 12:42 PM
It would be nice to have a system that would completely "mix up" the teams into the divisions so, for example, we'd have the possibility of being in the same division with Cyber Blue.

Yeah, I'm getting tired of seeing those 229 clowns next to us :]

Lil' Lavery
04-03-2005, 06:08 PM
Grundy isn't registered anymore? Whaa....

388 is still going, they were just listed in a different division now. Hopefully even if they are in a different division 116 and 388 will go bowling again cus we couldnt at VCU this year (116 didnt goto VCU).

Tytus Gerrish
04-03-2005, 06:26 PM
179 and 180 in the same Division. IMPOSSIBLE!!!


If FIRST was to go back to the 02 way of divisioning then they would look something like this.

Archimedes
1 7 11 16 20 57 60 63 65 66 107 108 111 114 116155 158 159 168 173 229 230 231 233 234 288 292 294 296 301 345 346 350 353 357 415 433 435 440 444 527 529 537 538 546 638 639 650 662 677 810 811 812 816 818 957 967 972 977 980 1071 1072 1083 1089 1094 1211 1216 1218 1219 1230 1345 1350 1367 1369 1370 1527 1546 1574 1577 1590 1676

Curie
21 22 25 27 33 67 68 69 71 73 118 120 121 122 123 175 176 178 179 180 236 237 245 247 250 302 304 308 314 316 358 359 362 364 365 447 451 461 462 469 548 549 555 563 573 687 694 701 703 710 824 830 832 842 843 981 987 989 997 1000 1100 1102 1108 1114 1126 1241 1249 1250 1251 1257 1388 1389 1391 1394 1402 1592 1595 1596 1597 1610 1680

Galileo
34 38 40 41 45 74 75 79 85 86 125 126 128 131 135 184 190 191 195 203 254 263 269 271 272 322 326 330 334 335 371 375 379 384 386 481 486 492 494 499 578 582 587 588 596 714 716 752 754 758 845 868 894 896 904 1002 1006 1014 1019 1022 1137 1138 1140 1153 1156 1259 1261 1272 1279 1280 1403 1444 1450 1492 1497 1619 1625 1628 1646 1647 1700

Newton
47 48 49 53 56 88 93 94 95 103 136 138 141 148 151 217 222 223 224 228 274 279 280 281 287 337 340 341 342 343 388 395 399 401 404 503 515 518 521 522 604 612 614 616 618 766 768 801 803 807 930 931 933 939 945 1023 1024 1027 1033 1038 1167 1180 1188 1189 1208 1286 1287 1289 1305 1324 1506 1507 1510 1511 1517 1648 1653 1665 1671 1675 1708

Kit Gerhart
04-03-2005, 06:39 PM
179 and 180 in the same Division. IMPOSSIBLE!!!
That was a system they apparently used in '02 (though I don't remember it) where they put teams in "blocks" of five into a division. With the system used recently, 179 and 180 would not be in the same division.

santosh
04-03-2005, 08:38 PM
Yeah. I am hoping that the nationals do stay in Atlanta. Atlanta is extremely conveniant. Easy transportation everywhere. Good places everywhere to eat. Everything is just so close to each other. And just think about it drivers, you are standing in the place Michael Vick once stood at some point in time or at a spot.

I think I might just be a little biased towards it because most of my team ives about 20 miles away from the Georgia Dome. This is about an hour 15 min long drive during rush hour.

Kit Gerhart
04-03-2005, 08:41 PM
Yeah. I am hoping that the nationals do stay in Atlanta. Atlanta is extremely conveniant. Easy transportation everywhere. Good places everywhere to eat. Everything is just so close to each other. And just think about it drivers, you are standing in the place Michael Vick once stood at some point in time or at a spot.

Who is (was) Michael Vick?

Hunter
04-03-2005, 08:44 PM
Who is (was) Michael Vick?

He is the Atlanta Falcons Quarterback

scott
04-03-2005, 10:30 PM
yeah, basically its Mike Vick and his Falcons. . . . .not the Atlanta Falcons,lol.

Tom Bottiglieri
04-04-2005, 09:49 AM
And just think about it drivers, you are standing in the place Michael Vick once stood at some point in time or at a spot.
Or just maybe Michael Vick should be thinking, I am in the same place Dean Kamen, Woodie Flowers, Andy Baker, and Bill Beatty all stood at the same time.

Jay Trzaskos
04-04-2005, 02:48 PM
It appears to be groups of five starting with 1...

Teras, three sided alliances, three rows of three goals, etc. Anybody else think that FIRST might go and put us in by groups of 3? I'll post a list of what this might look like when i get time.

JT
229

Koko Ed
04-04-2005, 03:53 PM
Now if FIRST really wanted to get crazy they could use a randomizer to set the divisions but there is too much risk of having too many powerhouses in one division or too many roookies and such. I think the 1,2,3,4 system makes thing easy on them.

Dancin103
04-04-2005, 06:21 PM
I dont think this can be because there are teams going that are not on this list!hmmmm.......

Jon K.
04-04-2005, 09:56 PM
I dont think this can be because there are teams going that are not on this list!hmmmm.......
If you notice there are more then one posting and they have been updated numerous times.

petek
04-04-2005, 10:39 PM
So, with four divisions there will be eighty-odd teams per division. Which would work out to about six or seven matches per team in qualifying. Not a whole lot, is it? What do you suppose the chances are of FIRST running five divisions? That would get us down to 60-some teams per division. And really mess up a great Newton lineup (16, 25, 56, 88, 103, 233 and the list goes on).

Kevin Sevcik
04-04-2005, 10:53 PM
Five divisions would make for an exceedingly odd Finals bracket, though. There's no really good way to pick which alliances gets byes and which two have to play an extra game.

EDIT: Unless we institute a wildcard system of some sort. Or some sort of BCS system, maybe......

Koko Ed
04-04-2005, 10:59 PM
Five divisions would make for an exceedingly odd Finals bracket, though. There's no really good way to pick which alliances gets byes and which two have to play an extra game.

EDIT: Unless we institute a wildcard system of some sort. Or some sort of BCS system, maybe......
BCS! UGH!
Now we got to air out the thread. :rolleyes:

petek
04-04-2005, 11:19 PM
Five divisions would make for an exceedingly odd Finals bracket, though. There's no really good way to pick which alliances gets byes and which two have to play an extra game.

EDIT: Unless we institute a wildcard system of some sort. Or some sort of BCS system, maybe......

Yeah, five would be weird - but if there were six divisions and then a three-sided tree to put new meaning in "triple play" ... Nah

Well, at least fewer matches mean fewer hikes back to the pits!

Greg Needel
04-04-2005, 11:48 PM
Yeah, five would be weird - but if there were six divisions and then a three-sided tree to put new meaning in "triple play" ... Nah

Well, at least fewer matches mean fewer hikes back to the pits!


well we know that FIRST has atleast 5 fields because they were in play every week but from what i heard last year they might have 7, if that is the case more then 4 divisions is possible...

Collmandoman
04-04-2005, 11:59 PM
I think they would have announced this by now if it were so.. it will altleast be better than last year instead of 2v2 for 400 teams.. 3v3 for maybe less.. I see them going to 6 next year =)

dez250
04-05-2005, 12:04 AM
I would expect the 4 playing fields (Archimedes, Curie, Newton Galileo), The main finals field, (Einstein) and 2 practice fields. That would fit the seven fields that would have been in use in weeks 2 and 4.

Greg Needel
04-05-2005, 12:37 AM
I would expect the 4 playing fields (Archimedes, Curie, Newton Galileo), The main finals field, (Einstein) and 2 practice fields. That would fit the seven fields that would have been in use in weeks 2 and 4.


in the past the practice field was the nasa field...but this there there is an offical practice with each truck...so i would expect to use those set up in an area by each pit, which still leaves the extra full fields

Dancin103
04-05-2005, 08:40 AM
I am not getting this!!!How can there be divisions if there are teams going that are not even on this list????? Well, i guess we will find out when FIRST actually posts the divisions them selves!!!! :rolleyes:

Kevin Sevcik
04-05-2005, 09:08 AM
Now if FIRST really wanted to get crazy they could use a randomizer to set the divisions but there is too much risk of having too many powerhouses in one division or too many roookies and such. I think the 1,2,3,4 system makes thing easy on them.

Forgot to comment on this. You could do a mix of randomizer/grouping. Take the first 4 teams, randomly assign them to 1, 2, 3, and 4. Move on to the next 4 teams. You still get a mix of rookies and vets, but it's random now. Better yet, take teams in groups of 8 or 12 and assign two or three of each number to the group. That way there's a better chance of teams like 65, 66, 67, or 68 ending up in the same division for once instead of being numerically doomed to be seperated.

Also, 6 divisons still necessitates introducing a system of byes or wildcards. MLB is an obvious example of this.

Dancin103,
Who's not on the list that you're sure is going? It's possible that they couldn't afford to go even though they qualified.

Joe Matt
04-05-2005, 09:21 AM
From what I have heard, there will be 6 field: 4 division fields, 1 FLL/Finals field, 1 VEX field.

So there will be 4 FIRST fields, don't know about practice fields since last year and this year we were just given a few goals and some tetras, not a full field. Don't know though, so take it for what it's worth, a post in the rumor mill.

Kevin Sevcik
04-05-2005, 01:42 PM
Updated as of 4-5-05 12:45 CDT:
1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 38
40 41 45 47
48 49 53 56
57 60 63 64
65 66 67 68
69 71 73 74
75 79 85 86
88 93 94 95
103 107 108 111
114 116 118 120
121 122 123 125
126 128 131 135
136 138 141 148
151 155 158 159
168 173 175 176
178 179 180 184
190 191 195 203
217 222 223 224
228 229 230 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 250 254
263 269 271 272
274 279 280 281
288 292 294 296
301 302 304 308
314 316 322 326
330 334 335 337
340 341 342 343
345 346 350 353
357 358 359 362
364 365 371 375
379 384 386 388
395 399 401 404
415 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 469 481 486
492 494 499 503
515 518 521 522
527 529 537 538
546 548 549 555
563 573 578 582
587 588 596 604
612 614 616 618
638 639 650 662
677 687 694 701
703 710 714 716
752 754 758 766
768 801 803 807
810 811 812 816
818 824 830 832
842 843 845 868
894 896 904 930
931 933 939 945
957 967 972 977
980 981 987 989
997 1000 1002 1006
1014 1019 1022 1023
1024 1027 1033 1038
1071 1072 1083 1089
1094 1100 1102 1108
1114 1126 1137 1138
1140 1153 1156 1167
1180 1188 1189 1208
1211 1216 1218 1219
1230 1241 1249 1250
1251 1257 1259 1261
1266 1272 1279 1280
1286 1287 1289 1305
1324 1345 1350 1367
1369 1370 1388 1389
1391 1394 1398 1402
1403 1444 1450 1492
1497 1506 1507 1508
1510 1511 1515 1517
1527 1539 1546 1574
1577 1590 1592 1593
1595 1596 1597 1610
1619 1625 1628 1646
1647 1648 1653 1665
1671 1675 1676 1680
1700 1708

EDIT: What's up with the extra whitespace I threw in for formatting disappearing if I don't use CODE tags?

Lil' Lavery
04-05-2005, 02:04 PM
From what I have heard, there will be 6 field: 4 division fields, 1 FLL/Finals field, 1 VEX field.

So there will be 4 FIRST fields, don't know about practice fields since last year and this year we were just given a few goals and some tetras, not a full field. Don't know though, so take it for what it's worth, a post in the rumor mill.
There a 5 fields (1 for each division, and Einstein, the champ field), 1+ practice FRC fields, then there are several FLL fields (at least 2 game, and 2 practice, thats what they have at FLL regional competitions), and 1+ VEX fields (nobody knows yet how many).

@Dancin 103:
those lists were based on the teams that FIRST says has registered. Just because a team won a regional doesnt mean they are actually going (they might choose not to for whatever reason).

mhayon
04-05-2005, 03:44 PM
So when does FIRST release the actual divisions?

Jay Trzaskos
04-05-2005, 03:56 PM
April 11th. I believe it was posted earlier in the thread.

Lil' Lavery
04-05-2005, 11:02 PM
Woot, 116th post in this thread! :p

Do you think FIRST would benefit from a "selection commity" (NCAA b-ball type thing) type set up to ensure balanced divisions? It would be highly unlikely and highly unrealistic to do such a thing though (where are enough unbiased people going to come from?). Or even just a system that tries to balance the number of regional winners in each division, ect. Even if it is just a simple thing as just splitting up the winners, do you think it would help?

Koko Ed
04-05-2005, 11:06 PM
Updated as of 4-5-05 12:45 CDT:
1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 38
40 41 45 47
48 49 53 56
57 60 63 64
65 66 67 68
69 71 73 74
75 79 85 86
88 93 94 95
103 107 108 111
114 116 118 120
121 122 123 125
126 128 131 135
136 138 141 148
151 155 158 159
168 173 175 176
178 179 180 184
190 191 195 203
217 222 223 224
228 229 230 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 250 254
263 269 271 272
274 279 280 281
288 292 294 296
301 302 304 308
314 316 322 326
330 334 335 337
340 341 342 343
345 346 350 353
357 358 359 362
364 365 371 375
379 384 386 388
395 399 401 404
415 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 469 481 486
492 494 499 503
515 518 521 522
527 529 537 538
546 548 549 555
563 573 578 582
587 588 596 604
612 614 616 618
638 639 650 662
677 687 694 701
703 710 714 716
752 754 758 766
768 801 803 807
810 811 812 816
818 824 830 832
842 843 845 868
894 896 904 930
931 933 939 945
957 967 972 977
980 981 987 989
997 1000 1002 1006
1014 1019 1022 1023
1024 1027 1033 1038
1071 1072 1083 1089
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1114 1126 1137 1138
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EDIT: What's up with the extra whitespace I threw in for formatting disappearing if I don't use CODE tags?
Hmmmm! I see in this current version the old FLR winning alliance is in the same division. Could we be getting back together to make another run? I am intrigued.... ;)

Joe Matt
04-06-2005, 09:16 AM
Woot, 116th post in this thread! :p

Do you think FIRST would benefit from a "selection commity" (NCAA b-ball type thing) type set up to ensure balanced divisions? It would be highly unlikely and highly unrealistic to do such a thing though (where are enough unbiased people going to come from?). Or even just a system that tries to balance the number of regional winners in each division, ect. Even if it is just a simple thing as just splitting up the winners, do you think it would help?

No, it's still biased, and many times teams that win a regional arn't sometimes the best, and sometimes the teams they bring with them arn't the best. Remember, it's an exhibition until you add the variable of luck. :)

Andy Baker
04-06-2005, 09:29 AM
I am sure that many of us are creating our own team lists, only to have them altered when an additional team is signed up during these last few days before the Championships.

Can someone capture which teams have recently signed up, and then tell the rest of us about it? That would be super-swell.

Andy B.

Kevin Sevcik
04-06-2005, 09:35 AM
My recent post is accurate up to team 1546. Team 1547 signed up after that post, and I'm too lazy to recreate the whole list at the moment. The last few lines should be:

1527 1539 1546 1547
1574 1577 1590 1592
1593 1595 1596 1597
1610 1619 1625 1628
1646 1647 1648 1653
1665 1671 1675 1676
1680 1700 1708

Swampdude
04-06-2005, 09:38 AM
I know 1466 is going to register, and then proceed to clean the house!

Collmandoman
04-06-2005, 12:23 PM
I know 1466 is going to register, and then proceed to clean the house!
I don't know about that :ahh: :) But we did just get listed today - Yippeeee
Can't wait to get down there and miss a few more days of school

Heretic121
04-06-2005, 12:30 PM
anyone know the EXACT date of when the OFFICAL divsions will be released???

thx...

Kevin Sevcik
04-06-2005, 12:34 PM
anyone know the EXACT date of when the OFFICAL divsions will be released???

thx...
April 11th is when the offical divisions will be released on usfirst.org

Goobergunch
04-06-2005, 03:48 PM
This has (kind of) already been said, but the 2005 Championship Public Agenda (http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/2005/site_info/2005_Championship_Public_Agenda.pdf) includes:
FRC Division
Round Finals
Newton, Archimedes,
Galileo, Curie 1:00-3:00pm
So there will be four Championship Divisions, with the names we all know and love. Unless FIRST is trying to trick everybody, which I severely doubt.

Incidentally, that schedule also suggests that the FVC events will be held on a "DaVinci" Field and that the FLL events will be held on Einstein Field.

Scythe
04-06-2005, 08:53 PM
I just wish it is like it is....223 and 179 is a scary combo...I really don't want to see that again. :D

Dancin103
04-06-2005, 08:54 PM
Yeah, the divison pairing should be interesting no matter what that list from FIRST looks like!!!It will be interesting to see how they actually divide teams up!!!Because if i remember from last year, there were tons of teams in our division that we never went to regionals with, and also in our division there were very few teams that had actually gone to regionals with us that went to Nationals that went into the same divisions as us!!

Kevin Sevicik
Sorry about that, with the whole"there are teams not on this list that are going" thing, i was looking at a different list of teams at the same time! my bad...ooooopppsss...sorry about that!!!!

Swampdude
04-06-2005, 09:35 PM
I was just thinking, those QP's are going to be incredibly important with only 6 seeding matches at Nationals. There's going to be a lot of 6-0 teams. Which means there's likely to be very few "strong" teams in the top eight in each division. Especially when you mix in the penalties issue. If you want a top spot you're going to have to make sure your opponents score well. In fact you may need to score for them!

Therefore lobbying and being "known" actually will come into play if you want to get into the finals. It's actually not a bad idea for some teams maybe to offer detailed scouting lists to the top eight teams. Maybe as a service you could provide the top eight teams with a capping average per team if they don't already have one. This might be annoying to some, but to those who weren't prepared this could save the day and keep the competition tough.

I know at Palmetto there were 2 teams that basically brought the kit chassis and nothing else and late Saturday were in the top 8 due to good alliance pairings. These teams got knocked down a spot on there last match, but had they not they actually could have made it into 4th or 5th seed. They probably weren't prepared with the detailed scouting info many had put together. This is going to probably be the norm at Nationals.

What do you think?

Greg Needel
04-06-2005, 09:40 PM
I was just thinking, those QP's are going to be incredibly important with only 6 seeding matches at Nationals. There's going to be a lot of 6-0 teams. Which means there's likely to be very few "strong" teams in the top eight in each division. Especially when you mix in the penalties issue. If you want a top spot you're going to have to make sure your opponents score well. In fact you may need to score for them!

Therefore lobbying and being "known" actually will come into play if you want to get into the finals. It's actually not a bad idea for some teams maybe to offer detailed scouting lists to the top eight teams. Maybe as a service you could provide the top eight teams with a capping average per team if they don't already have one. This might be annoying to some, but to those who weren't prepared this could save the day and keep the competition tough.

I know at Palmetto there were 2 teams that basically brought the kit chassis and nothing else and late Saturday were in the top 8 due to good alliance pairings. These teams got knocked down a spot on there last match, but had they not they actually could have made it into 4th or 5th seed. They probably weren't prepared with the detailed scouting info many had put together. This is going to probably be the norm at Nationals.

What do you think?



who said there are only going to be 6 seeding matches at nationals? i would look at the regionals with 60ish teams and see how many they had...i would expect 8.......if it were only 6 matches i would be extremly disapointed because that makes it almost $1,000 per match :p

Mirza95vx
04-06-2005, 09:48 PM
That would suck Greg to pay 700 per match instead of close to 1000 LOL
dont look at the matches in cash value NEEDEL.

Didnt your mother tell you money isnt everything

JK


I heared it was going to be 9 seeding matches.

Collmandoman
04-06-2005, 09:53 PM
6 matches would be awful~ I talked to someone up there in FIRST and he said likely 8-10 -- which seems kinda difficult with 90 teams/ division - oh well we'll see on monday =)

Swampdude
04-06-2005, 09:54 PM
I saw it somewhere, can't remember. But it makes sense anyways, there's going to be over 85 teams in each division. There's no way they can fit in 9 matches. Unless they plan on actually using Einstein the whole time like they used to.

ali_rockon22
04-06-2005, 09:57 PM
I don't think they will use Einstien but they might becuase there will be more teams. I think there will 7 matches, 8 if we are lucky.

Kevin Sevcik
04-06-2005, 10:11 PM
Champs has 620 minutes available for seeding matches, versus 455 available for most regionals. Given 84 teams per division, 9 matches per team gives a cycle time of just under 5 minutes. 8 matches gives a slightly more realistic 5.5 minutes per cycle. 7 matches is probably the sweet spot for a cycle time of 6.3 minutes.

For comparison, Lone Star had a cycle time of 6.8 minutes, and we still ran into lunch on Friday. The fastest cycle time at a (Non-super) week 4 or 5 regional was 5.7 min at SVR. I wasn't there so I can't say if it was too fast, but it seems so to me. Even with veteran ref, scoring, and reset teams at Champs, I think 7 matches is probably the most we're likely to get. Maaaybe 8.

EDIT: Assuming perfect efficiency at switching Einstein from one division to the next, it would theoretically increase match time by 25% to 775 minutes. This gives a cycle time of 6.15 minutes. Since it's likely to be problematic for all sorts of reasons, it's more likely that it'd just solidify the number of matches at 8. This is disregarding whether the scoring software can actually handle running things like this.

nobrakes8
04-06-2005, 11:25 PM
Hmmmm! I see in this current version the old FLR winning alliance is in the same division. Could we be getting back together to make another run? I am intrigued.... ;)

69, 126, and 1071 together too..

That would be five regional championships between the three teams :ahh: :D

I'd like to see FIRST try and actually keep alliances together.. Would be interesting to see what would happen... Also a NCAA style would be awsome..

Take overall winning %, finalist, and champions and rank it according to all the regional standings.. I'm sure somebody here at CD would be bored enough to figure out that system :rolleyes:

Collmandoman
04-07-2005, 01:54 AM
omg a 90 alliance bracket would be soo amazing
a real fantasy first would emerge --- north south east and west divisions
seeded by some performance %
so only the top 360 teams go
or the top 360(in sets of 90 are randomally split into divisions)30 teams select for what ever amount of time 2 alliance partners.. of course starting at the bottom
30-1
then
1-30 again
so 1 picks twice in a row
and they play all qualifying matches with the same alliance - and the top 8 go on
of course this is stupid

Andy Brockway
04-07-2005, 08:19 AM
I saw it somewhere, can't remember. But it makes sense anyways, there's going to be over 85 teams in each division. There's no way they can fit in 9 matches. Unless they plan on actually using Einstein the whole time like they used to.

Last year there were 84 teams playing 2 vs. 2. We played 7 matches. With the 3 vs 3 format we should be able to play 9. I think FIRST listened to the teams gripe about playing so few matches when they increased to the 3 vs 3.

Swampdude
04-07-2005, 08:39 AM
The problem is the match time turn around which is more than last year. But let's say they did fit in 8-9 matches. There's still going to be a lot of undefeated teams just due to the amount of teams in each division. Many of them will have made it due to good alliance pairings. It may be difficult to get super alliances put together. I hope that fancy algorithm works this time and we actually do get to play with/against new teams each match. That would help the problem. At both of our regionals we played with or against a few teams more than once.

jessjank.
04-07-2005, 12:56 PM
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like 69 has dropped out. If this is not the case, anyone know why 69 is no longer listed? There are a total of 338 teams signed up, so there's a possibility of 2 more still signing up before registration closes.
FIRST Robotics Competition Teams Attending The Championship Event (http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=CMP&event%20year=2005&status=registered&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find)

EDIT: Also just noticed that 1019 is no longer listed... not sure if there are any others as well that dropped.

Karthik
04-07-2005, 01:01 PM
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like 69 has dropped out. If this is not the case, anyone know why 69 is no longer listed? There are a total of 335 teams signed up, so there's a possibility of 5 more still signing up before registration closes.
FIRST Robotics Competition Teams Attending The Championship Event (http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=CMP&event%20year=2005&status=registered&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find)

Wow, good catch Jess. Team 69 was definitely one of the favourites in my mind. I know they won two regionals last year, but didn't attend the championship. I guess they want to continue that trend.

Heretic121
04-07-2005, 01:59 PM
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like 69 has dropped out. If this is not the case, anyone know why 69 is no longer listed? There are a total of 335 teams signed up, so there's a possibility of 5 more still signing up before registration closes.
FIRST Robotics Competition Teams Attending The Championship Event (http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=CMP&event%20year=2005&status=registered&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find)
=X i really hope they go...

Kevin Sevcik
04-07-2005, 02:21 PM
Keep in mind that the list that's up there currently is a list of teams that have registered to go to Champs. They haven't necessarily paid yet. If 69 registered and then discovered they couldn't raise funds to attend for whatever reason, I'd commend them for dropping out now while there's still time for another team to get in.

Joe Ross
04-07-2005, 03:34 PM
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like 69 has dropped out. If this is not the case, anyone know why 69 is no longer listed? There are a total of 336 teams signed up, so there's a possibility of 5 more still signing up before registration closes.

When we talked to them at LA, they were not going to be going to nationals.

Jverdon
04-07-2005, 03:34 PM
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Kevin Sevcik
04-07-2005, 03:38 PM
Huzzah! Now everything needs to say exactly this way until next monday so I can stay in the same division with 364....

Alex Cormier
04-07-2005, 03:41 PM
wow, that first division is simply crazy, i hope it stays like that! i love the craziness.

Swampdude
04-07-2005, 03:54 PM
We're gonna need some heavy duty goals in that division, cuz those things are gonna collapse during finals. That's pretty absurd. Every alliance will likely be able to cap 15-18 per match. :eek:

Ryan Dognaux
04-07-2005, 04:45 PM
The first division is brutal... and we're in it... I'm excited, it'll make for some great competition.

Alex Cormier
04-07-2005, 04:53 PM
We're gonna need some heavy duty goals in that division, cuz those things are gonna collapse during finals. That's pretty absurd. Every alliance will likely be able to cap 15-18 per match. :eek:
and some bots can stack 10 high on the middle goal ;)

Jverdon
04-07-2005, 05:03 PM
We will get to see the divisions monday. It would be crazy if they came out with totaly diffrent divisions then what we have talked about.

Mirza95vx
04-07-2005, 07:18 PM
That would not be kool. I would have to change all of my scouting.

Tom Bottiglieri
04-07-2005, 07:46 PM
We will get to see the divisions monday. It would be crazy if they came out with totaly diffrent divisions then what we have talked about.
The great this is after this thread, I bet they will. :cool:

Jverdon
04-07-2005, 07:57 PM
That would not be kool. I would have to change all of my scouting.

Same here I have already started collecting pictures of robots.

petek
04-07-2005, 08:08 PM
Guess what? 312 has been added, so this morning's list is already out of date.

I have this mental image of the person who's in charge of updating the list, having already gone bananas from all the changes and chaos leading up to Atlanta, laughing demonically as he/she registers each change to the team list. "Wait till the kiddies on Chief Delphi see this one! They'll never get their scouting done now! BwooHaHaaHaaaa!"

Twelve days til we board the bus bound for Atlanta!

Jverdon
04-07-2005, 08:26 PM
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jessjank.
04-07-2005, 08:46 PM
Actually Jverdon, you're missing team 854 so your division lists are off!

EDIT: Thanks Swampdude for fixing that! I was just about to add it myself but spent some time playing around with some things so you got to it first! :)

Swampdude
04-07-2005, 08:53 PM
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Jon K.
04-07-2005, 10:35 PM
I give up, just when I think things are going good another one is added or deleted.................. Well if the first division does stay like that it will definately cause some interesting matches, and yes quite a few teams will be able to do 10 high on the center goal, we theoretically can, but have been unable to test this since we don't have a ceiling high enough to test with, and our center goal keeps breaking after having 1 or 2 tets on it.

Swampdude
04-08-2005, 10:57 AM
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Heretic121
04-08-2005, 11:09 AM
ok i quit until sunday lol... just division for as it stands now scares me so much...

25, 47, 88, 121, 126, 190, 237, 56, 103, 16, 254... and thats only up till 254 =X

petek
04-08-2005, 12:10 PM
Gee, lookie who's paired up again in Archimedes: 179 & 233

Ouch.

Kit Gerhart
04-08-2005, 12:11 PM
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201's signed up
Hey, I like this lineup and hope it "sticks." With 71, 179, 217, 233, and a bunch of other teams that I know and respect--that should be fun.

Stephen Kowski
04-08-2005, 12:56 PM
alright now you guys have to figure out which MC/announcers and refs are on which field??

that outta keep everyone busy until all the official stuff comes out :cool:

Joe Matt
04-08-2005, 01:23 PM
Jeff Seaton has ALWAYS done Arch, so I'd say he'll stick there.

Steve W
04-08-2005, 01:23 PM
I am announcing but we will not find out fields etc till we arrive. I do hope for Mark Leon and myself on Currie. As everyone know, we have had the best, loudest and proudest field at Championship for the last 2 years.

D.J. Fluck
04-08-2005, 01:35 PM
340th team has been added so possibly all of your dream divisions might have been broken up....im going to check and see who the new team is right now

Edit: 910 is the newest team registered

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20 21 22 25
27 33 34 38
40 41 45 47
48 49 53 56
57 60 63 64
65 66 67 68
71 73 74 75
79 85 86 88
93 94 95 103
107 108 111 114
116 118 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 168
173 175 176 178
179 180 184 190
191 195 201 203
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228 229 230 231
233 234 236 237
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263 269 271 272
274 279 280 281
288 292 293 294
296 301 302 304
308 312 314 316
322 326 330 334
335 337 340 341
342 343 345 346
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359 362 364 365
371 375 379 384
386 388 395 399
401 404 415 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 469
476 481 486 492
494 499 503 514
515 518 521 522
527 529 537 546
548 549 555 563
573 578 582 587
588 596 604 612
614 616 618 624
638 639 650 662
677 687 694 701
703 710 714 716
752 754 758 766
768 772 801 803
807 810 811 812
816 818 824 830
832 842 843 845
854 868 894 896
904 910 930 931
933 939 945 957
967 972 977 980
981 987 989 997
1000 1002 1006 1014
1022 1023 1024 1027
1033 1038 1051 1071
1072 1083 1089 1094
1100 1102 1108 1114
1126 1135 1137 1138
1140 1153 1156 1167
1180 1188 1189 1208
1211 1216 1218 1219
1230 1241 1249 1250
1251 1257 1259 1261
1266 1272 1279 1280
1286 1287 1289 1305
1345 1350 1367 1369
1370 1388 1389 1391
1394 1398 1402 1403
1444 1450 1466 1492
1497 1503 1506 1507
1508 1510 1511 1515
1517 1527 1539 1546
1547 1574 1577 1590
1592 1593 1595 1596
1597 1610 1625 1628
1641 1646 1647 1648
1653 1665 1671 1675
1676 1680 1700 1708

Swampdude
04-08-2005, 02:10 PM
Doh! Tech Tigers in our division again. That's just not right we would have to play each other 3 times..... What are the odds of that? And PINK! woohoo! This year has felt like the traveling UCF show for me.

petek
04-08-2005, 02:40 PM
This is probably already out of date, but I'm attaching the Fantasy FIRST Divisions, including 2005 comp winners and some qualifying records for your scouting pleasure.

Just to add fuel to the fire about which division is "toughest", here are the stats I found for number of regional winners in each division:
Archimedes: 21, Curie: 12, Galileo: 17, Newton: 22

ymmv, no guarantees of accuracy, do not eat after swimming

(revised attached doc: team 68 had two wins. Thanks to tkwetzel for pointing this out)

Alex Cormier
04-08-2005, 03:19 PM
wow and yes we are back in the first division! can't wait to see if this holds up to mondays selections.

tkwetzel
04-08-2005, 04:11 PM
I want to see 69 register seeing that they won two regionals this year. They have a sweet robot.

Off-topic - anyone else notice the amazing job by teams 66, 67, 68, and 69?
Each of those teams won not one but TWO regionals. Probably the most dominant group of consecutive team numbers. (There were at least 13 teams that won 2 regionals this year, the four listed are the only consecutive team numbers to do it though).

Lil' Lavery
04-08-2005, 04:14 PM
64 won vegas, 2 tech awards, and 2 AVAs. 65 won a chairmans.
so now 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, AND 69!

D.J. Fluck
04-08-2005, 04:29 PM
1156 is off the list...but someone else took their spot

597 replaces them

1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 38
40 41 45 47
48 49 53 56
57 60 63 64
65 66 67 68
71 73 74 75
79 85 86 88
93 94 95 103
107 108 111 114
116 118 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 168
173 175 176 178
179 180 184 190
191 195 201 203
217 222 223 224
228 229 230 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 250 254
263 269 271 272
274 279 280 281
288 292 293 294
296 301 302 304
308 312 314 316
322 326 330 334
335 337 340 341
342 343 345 346
350 353 357 358
359 362 364 365
371 375 379 384
386 388 395 399
401 404 415 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 469
476 481 486 492
494 499 503 514
515 518 521 522
527 529 537 546
548 549 555 563
573 578 582 587
588 596 597 604
612 614 616 618
624 638 639 650
662 677 687 694
701 703 710 714
716 752 754 758
766 768 772 801
803 807 810 811
812 816 818 824
830 832 842 843
845 854 868 894
896 904 910 930
931 933 939 945
957 967 972 977
980 981 987 989
997 1000 1002 1006
1014 1022 1023 1024
1027 1033 1038 1051
1071 1072 1083 1089
1094 1100 1102 1108
1114 1126 1135 1137
1138 1140 1153 1167
1180 1188 1189 1208
1211 1216 1218 1219
1230 1241 1249 1250
1251 1257 1259 1261
1266 1272 1279 1280
1286 1287 1289 1305
1345 1350 1367 1369
1370 1388 1389 1391
1394 1398 1402 1403
1444 1450 1466 1492
1497 1503 1506 1507
1508 1510 1511 1515
1517 1527 1539 1546
1547 1574 1577 1590
1592 1593 1595 1596
1597 1610 1625 1628
1641 1646 1647 1648
1653 1665 1671 1675
1676 1680 1700 1708

Jon K.
04-08-2005, 07:56 PM
1156 is off the list...but someone else took their spot

597 replaces them

1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 38
40 41 45 47
48 49 53 56
57 60 63 64
65 66 67 68
71 73 74 75
79 85 86 88
93 94 95 103
107 108 111 114
116 118 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 168
173 175 176 178
179 180 184 190
191 195 201 203
217 222 223 224
228 229 230 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 250 254
263 269 271 272
274 279 280 281
288 292 293 294
296 301 302 304
308 312 314 316
322 326 330 334
335 337 340 341
342 343 345 346
350 353 357 358
359 362 364 365
371 375 379 384
386 388 395 399
401 404 415 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 469
476 481 486 492
494 499 503 514
515 518 521 522
527 529 537 546
548 549 555 563
573 578 582 587
588 596 597 604
612 614 616 618
624 638 639 650
662 677 687 694
701 703 710 714
716 752 754 758
766 768 772 801
803 807 810 811
812 816 818 824
830 832 842 843
845 854 868 894
896 904 910 930
931 933 939 945
957 967 972 977
980 981 987 989
997 1000 1002 1006
1014 1022 1023 1024
1027 1033 1038 1051
1071 1072 1083 1089
1094 1100 1102 1108
1114 1126 1135 1137
1138 1140 1153 1167
1180 1188 1189 1208
1211 1216 1218 1219
1230 1241 1249 1250
1251 1257 1259 1261
1266 1272 1279 1280
1286 1287 1289 1305
1345 1350 1367 1369
1370 1388 1389 1391
1394 1398 1402 1403
1444 1450 1466 1492
1497 1503 1506 1507
1508 1510 1511 1515
1517 1527 1539 1546
1547 1574 1577 1590
1592 1593 1595 1596
1597 1610 1625 1628
1641 1646 1647 1648
1653 1665 1671 1675
1676 1680 1700 1708

That means the changes have to be made where at least 1 winner from Newton goes to Arch, which would be 1027 making there be multiple instances of teams that were on a winning alliance together in the same division. I like this current list.

SizzelChest330
04-08-2005, 11:14 PM
1156 is off the list...but someone else took their spot

597 replaces them

1 7 11 16
20 21 22 25
27 33 34 38
40 41 45 47
48 49 53 56
57 60 63 64
65 66 67 68
71 73 74 75
79 85 86 88
93 94 95 103
107 108 111 114
116 118 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 168
173 175 176 178
179 180 184 190
191 195 201 203
217 222 223 224
228 229 230 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 250 254
263 269 271 272
274 279 280 281
288 292 293 294
296 301 302 304
308 312 314 316
322 326 330 334
335 337 340 341
342 343 345 346
350 353 357 358
359 362 364 365
371 375 379 384
386 388 395 399
401 404 415 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 469
476 481 486 492
494 499 503 514
515 518 521 522
527 529 537 546
548 549 555 563
573 578 582 587
588 596 597 604
612 614 616 618
624 638 639 650
662 677 687 694
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716 752 754 758
766 768 772 801
803 807 810 811
812 816 818 824
830 832 842 843
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896 904 910 930
931 933 939 945
957 967 972 977
980 981 987 989
997 1000 1002 1006
1014 1022 1023 1024
1027 1033 1038 1051
1071 1072 1083 1089
1094 1100 1102 1108
1114 1126 1135 1137
1138 1140 1153 1167
1180 1188 1189 1208
1211 1216 1218 1219
1230 1241 1249 1250
1251 1257 1259 1261
1266 1272 1279 1280
1286 1287 1289 1305
1345 1350 1367 1369
1370 1388 1389 1391
1394 1398 1402 1403
1444 1450 1466 1492
1497 1503 1506 1507
1508 1510 1511 1515
1517 1527 1539 1546
1547 1574 1577 1590
1592 1593 1595 1596
1597 1610 1625 1628
1641 1646 1647 1648
1653 1665 1671 1675
1676 1680 1700 1708

Uhh this keeps getting so flippin' crazy!
Archimedes has like most of my favorite teams as of now...
71..179..233..245..980
...I have a feeling FIRST people are checking this out...
I still think they need to divide divisions at random....
Its just kinda weird having a 1/4 shot at being with your friends :(
but whatever works best I guess...

Dorienne
04-09-2005, 12:56 AM
Uhh this keeps getting so flippin' crazy!
Archimedes has like most of my favorite teams as of now...
71..179..233..245..980
...I have a feeling FIRST people are checking this out...
I still think they need to divide divisions at random....
Its just kinda weird having a 1/4 shot at being with your friends :(
but whatever works best I guess...


Agreed.

I just wonder why they haven't done the random selection thing. There are easy programs to make that do just that. Our Calculus Review teacher does that when he wants to put random people on the spot for either writing on the board or other stuffs.

Probably a lot more fair that way.

Waynep
04-09-2005, 01:25 AM
a chance to play with 45 & 67 woohoo!!!!!

Kevin Sevcik
04-09-2005, 10:31 AM
Agreed.

I just wonder why they haven't done the random selection thing. There are easy programs to make that do just that. Our Calculus Review teacher does that when he wants to put random people on the spot for either writing on the board or other stuffs.

Probably a lot more fair that way.

I believe the logic there is that there's a chance of overloading a division with lots of low or high numbered teams, and they want to avoid this as much as possible. The Champs Division Selection has some alternative ideas, though.

Dorienne
04-09-2005, 11:02 AM
I believe the logic there is that there's a chance of overloading a division with lots of low or high numbered teams, and they want to avoid this as much as possible. The Champs Division Selection has some alternative ideas, though.

Indeed there are other alternatives, but they can set a limit on however many they pick for each division. Like, say they have 100 teams going to Nationals (probably happened back in about 97...but yeah, supposing here), and you need only 25 teams per division. They can set a limit on how many are selected, and when the 25 teams are picked, they can take the teams off the list that were already picked, and then keep going on until all the teams are gone.

*shrug* Just an idea.

geeknerd99
04-09-2005, 11:08 AM
Well, with the current list, the VCU champions (401, 122, 435) are in the same division... could prove funny if we all made it to finals. No scouting needed!

Kevin Sevcik
04-09-2005, 11:10 AM
Indeed there are other alternatives, but they can set a limit on however many they pick for each division. Like, say they have 100 teams going to Nationals (probably happened back in about 97...but yeah, supposing here), and you need only 25 teams per division. They can set a limit on how many are selected, and when the 25 teams are picked, they can take the teams off the list that were already picked, and then keep going on until all the teams are gone.

*shrug* Just an idea.


No, no. The problem they'd like to avoid is this: Archimedes has teams 1-300, Curie has team 1500-1650. Granted, that's taken to an extreme, but it's the sort of thing they'd like to avoid.

Alex Cormier
04-09-2005, 11:48 AM
Well, with the current list, the VCU champions (401, 122, 435) are in the same division... could prove funny if we all made it to finals. No scouting needed!
it happened last year with the newton division. the buckeye winning team won newton. 1126, 67, 340

slickguy2007
04-09-2005, 12:51 PM
340th team has been added so possibly all of your dream divisions might have been broken up....im going to check and see who the new team is right now

Edit: 910 is the newest team registered

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20 21 22 25
27 33 34 38
40 41 45 47
48 49 53 56
57 60 63 64
65 66 67 68
71 73 74 75
79 85 86 88
93 94 95 103
107 108 111 114
116 118 120 121
122 123 125 126
128 131 135 136
138 141 148 151
155 158 159 168
173 175 176 178
179 180 184 190
191 195 201 203
217 222 223 224
228 229 230 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 250 254
263 269 271 272
274 279 280 281
288 292 293 294
296 301 302 304
308 312 314 316
322 326 330 334
335 337 340 341
342 343 345 346
350 353 357 358
359 362 364 365
371 375 379 384
386 388 395 399
401 404 415 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 469
476 481 486 492
494 499 503 514
515 518 521 522
527 529 537 546
548 549 555 563
573 578 582 587
588 596 604 612
614 616 618 624
638 639 650 662
677 687 694 701
703 710 714 716
752 754 758 766
768 772 801 803
807 810 811 812
816 818 824 830
832 842 843 845
854 868 894 896
904 910 930 931
933 939 945 957
967 972 977 980
981 987 989 997
1000 1002 1006 1014
1022 1023 1024 1027
1033 1038 1051 1071
1072 1083 1089 1094
1100 1102 1108 1114
1126 1135 1137 1138
1140 1153 1156 1167
1180 1188 1189 1208
1211 1216 1218 1219
1230 1241 1249 1250
1251 1257 1259 1261
1266 1272 1279 1280
1286 1287 1289 1305
1345 1350 1367 1369
1370 1388 1389 1391
1394 1398 1402 1403
1444 1450 1466 1492
1497 1503 1506 1507
1508 1510 1511 1515
1517 1527 1539 1546
1547 1574 1577 1590
1592 1593 1595 1596
1597 1610 1625 1628
1641 1646 1647 1648
1653 1665 1671 1675
1676 1680 1700 1708

I really hope it stays this way, I like my division. 16, 25, 47, 56, 68, 103, 254, 980, and 1305, how can you go wrong there?

GO 1403!!!

Doug G
04-09-2005, 01:45 PM
I really hope it stays this way, I like my division. 16, 25, 47, 56, 68, 103, 254, 980, and 1305, how can you go wrong there?

GO 1403!!!

As of now, I think 980 is in the first division with us, 217, 179, 233, 245, 71. Looks like fun!! Hope I'm figuring this out right. I used the attached Excel sheet. With the first sheet, just copy the text from the FIRST web site's team list in the second column and then the other sheets select the divisions counting 1-4 as they have done in the past. We'll see how close it is next week - it'll be fun no matter what!

Cowmankoza
04-09-2005, 02:31 PM
I really hope it stays this way, I like my division. 16, 25, 47, 56, 68, 103, 254, 980, and 1305, how can you go wrong there?

GO 1403!!!
If that turns out to be true, the first division looks deadly. when you mix teams like 1251(my team), 233, 71 and 179 its bound to be a clash of the titans, it'll be interesting if it stays like that

Corey Balint
04-09-2005, 02:47 PM
I really hope it stays this way, I like my division. 16, 25, 47, 56, 68, 103, 254, 980, and 1305, how can you go wrong there?

GO 1403!!!

Hey aroon, you missed a few. 121, 126, 88, 190, 237, 341, 365, 469, 716, and 1114, just to name a few more. I think we may have the new murderer's row.

Lil' Lavery
04-09-2005, 08:13 PM
Indeed there are other alternatives, but they can set a limit on however many they pick for each division. Like, say they have 100 teams going to Nationals (probably happened back in about 97...but yeah, supposing here), and you need only 25 teams per division. They can set a limit on how many are selected, and when the 25 teams are picked, they can take the teams off the list that were already picked, and then keep going on until all the teams are gone.

*shrug* Just an idea.

Interesting idea. But fyi, the divisions are relatively new. In 97 it was all 1 big competition. You had to run between the fields.


As for this years competition. Wow, Archimedes is only getting better...
71, 107, 122, 173, 179, 191, 233, 245, 401, 435, 980, and 1027.....
Well, at least 116 will get to be pitted between 107 and 122.

The Lucas
04-10-2005, 01:52 PM
Hey aroon, you missed a few. 121, 126, 88, 190, 237, 341, 365, 469, 716, and 1114, just to name a few more. I think we may have the new murderer's row.

Add 358 and 492 to fill in that murder's row. Both won a regional. 358 almost won another one. 492 was a #1 seed.

Koko Ed
04-10-2005, 02:30 PM
The best thing about all of this is that everybody thinks they have an idea who is going to step up and rule the roost and that such and such a division is strong because it has these many regional winners and that the champion is going to rise up from there.
But does anyone remember last year when a strong team 5 came down having won 2 regionals and nearly winning a 3rd and ended up 2-5 and unpicked while 1394 who was last at Philadelphia was in the final 4?
Nothing is guaranteed so don't sleep on anyone at the championship.

Jay Trzaskos
04-10-2005, 06:44 PM
I was just wondering, what time do you think FIRST is going to put the divisions up on their website?

JT
229

mrmummert
04-10-2005, 07:09 PM
Hi all...

It may not matter,but i wonder if the lag time between getting your
robot and team from the pits to the playing field will play any in the
division spots? Remember its supposed to be 10 mins between the
Pits and the Dome. While at regional we were supposed to be prepared
to go next when we were told and you wer'nt far away,what will happen at the Atlanta?

I'm guessing the'll have a list and time for teams and perhaps
live TV in the Pits. Anyone know? It sure is gonna be a pain if you
have a very short turn around time between matches.

Jim Schaddelee
04-10-2005, 07:10 PM
Interesting idea. But fyi, the divisions are relatively new. In 97 it was all 1 big competition. You had to run between the fields.


As for this years competition. Wow, Archimedes is only getting better...
71, 107, 122, 173, 179, 191, 233, 245, 401, 435, 980, and 1027.....
Well, at least 116 will get to be pitted between 107 and 122.

Lil lavery

If thing stay this way and you are next to us in the pit please stop by and say hello ,ask for Jim or you can talk to my dad Ron he loves to talk .team 107 is so ready for this nationals,I was so impressed with the teams improvement from the Midwest to the west Michigan regional.Good luck to your team and all the teams .

Jim schaddelee
team 107

Tom Bottiglieri
04-10-2005, 07:12 PM
I was just wondering, what time do you think FIRST is going to put the divisions up on their website?

No idea, but this is what I am doing out of sheer boredom..

I think im going to write a little VB program that will grab this page (http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=CMP&event%20year=2005&status=registered&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find), search it for "division", "newton", or "galileo". When it finds that, it will scan for "195", grab that table row, then send an email to my cell phone which I will get as a text message.

Hopefully it works!

The Lucas
04-10-2005, 07:21 PM
while 1394 who was last at Philadelphia was in the final 4?


1394 was last at Philly but didn't go to Championship. I think you are thinking of 1218 CHA. They were last at Chesapeake but went on to be Championship Event Finalist 1.

Jon K.
04-10-2005, 07:33 PM
1394 was last at Philly but didn't go to Championship. I think you are thinking of 1218 CHA. They were last at Chesapeake but went on to be Championship Event Finalist 1.

I think Koko Ed was talking about in the finals of Philly maybe, and team 53 was team 53 or 54 of 55 and went on to be picked by the number 1 alliance and won Chesapeake this year.

Jay Trzaskos
04-10-2005, 09:13 PM
No idea, but this is what I am doing out of sheer boredom..

I think im going to write a little VB program that will grab this page (http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=CMP&event%20year=2005&status=registered&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find), search it for "division", "newton", or "galileo". When it finds that, it will scan for "195", grab that table row, then send an email to my cell phone which I will get as a text message.

Hopefully it works!

I wish I could write a VB program to do that. Actually, I wish i could write a VB program. Oh well, I hope it works for you Tom.

See you at Nats,
JT
229

Tom Bottiglieri
04-10-2005, 09:27 PM
I wish I could write a VB program to do that. Actually, I wish i could write a VB program. Oh well, I hope it works for you Tom.

See you at Nats,
JT
229
I realized that that was over my head, so Dave on my team is coding the back end that will look for new data, and I am making the php form so everyone can sign up to get a notification.

Should be up later.

David Guzman
04-11-2005, 12:43 AM
Looks like fun!! Hope I'm figuring this out right. I used the attached Excel sheet. With the first sheet, just copy the text from the FIRST web site's team list in the second column and then the other sheets select the divisions counting 1-4 as they have done in the past. We'll see how close it is next week - it'll be fun no matter what!

If it stays according to the spreadsheet, the first division looks very strong. Just to name a few:
65
71
107
179
233
245
494
845
...........and.........
1251 (That's us baby) :D

Looks scary doesn't it????????? :ahh:

Dave

Ricky Q.
04-11-2005, 10:15 AM
They are up:

http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-format=team%5flist.htm&-lay=web&event=CMP&event%20year=2005&status=registered&-max=2147483647&-sortfield=division&-sortfield=Team%20ID&-find

David Guzman
04-11-2005, 11:19 AM
:ahh: WOW, The Archimedes division looks deadly... :ahh:
I am so ecxited to play in that division with all those teams. It looks like the spredsheet was actually pretty accurate.

This competition is going to be awsome. :)
Good Luck to all the teams from team 1251, and see you all at Atlanta, GA.

mhayon
04-11-2005, 02:17 PM
We're looking forward to playing in Archimedes; it looks like a great group of teams.

Brandon Martus
04-11-2005, 02:22 PM
Closing this, continue here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37171