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The Lucas
04-29-2002, 09:58 PM
Ever since I first saw Team 71 Beatty's BEAST in action, I was dying to see it pitted against our three goal grabber MOEhawk. This head-to-head battle of the three goal grabbers seemed likely when we were both put in Newton Division. I could tell by the many visits to our pit, that Team 71 was also curious. This matchup never happened during the Qualification Rounds. This match seemed set for the Newton Semifinal. However, our Quarterfinal Curse showed its ugly head as fuses on the OI and the robot controller malfunctioned before Match 3 in the Quarterfinals. Although it was fixed before the match, it was too late to put the robot on the field. Thank you, Beatty for offering to help with spare fuses. Unfortunately, Our alliance lost the match and all hope of facing the BEAST to the formidable GM Alliance.
There is no telling which bot would win this hypothetic matchup between the BEAST and MOEhawk. I know that MOEhawk is faster, so he would get the goals first, but what would happen after that?
Could the BEAST's arms break MOEhawk's wings while pulling the outer goals into its body? Could the high torque file card shuffle drive of the BEAST push MOEhawk's brakes backward (no one else has, they have only spun us)? Would the carpet rip in half under the force of the pushing match and both bots get DQed?
Does anyone else have a matchup that they would have liked to see but didn't?
Congratulations to Team 71 for becoming the first team to win two consecutive National Championships and three National Championships total. Thank you for including us in one of those Championships. Congratulations to Team 173 RAGE and Team 66 on their National Championships. Congratulations to Team 175 BUZZ on winning the Chairman's Award. I knew you would win. See you at the PA Robot Challenge.

Eric Bareiss
04-29-2002, 10:15 PM
we all got to see 118 vs. 469 and 71 vs. 60 but we never got to see 469 vs. 60. I don't know if it ever happened but i never saw 175 vs. 173, that would have been good. two of the best ball bots head to head. I wanted more than anything to see the all GM match, 65 and 66 vs. 67 and 68. that would have been a good one.

HotWheels2002
04-29-2002, 10:31 PM
Just out of curiosity, I'd like to see 201 vs 007 in a one goal, first to put goal entirely into scoring zone, face off.

Joel J
04-30-2002, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by GilaHumanPlayer
we all got to see 118 vs. 469 and 71 vs. 60 but we never got to see 469 vs. 60. I don't know if it ever happened but i never saw 175 vs. 173, that would have been good. two of the best ball bots head to head. I wanted more than anything to see the all GM match, 65 and 66 vs. 67 and 68. that would have been a good one. 173 vs. 175 happenned in both the qualificaton rounds of the New England regional and the semifinals of the same regional.

Alex Forest
04-30-2002, 08:17 AM
122 vs MOE!!! Just wait til october....that meet you are going to host. We claim your wings!!!! =)

Joe Menassa
04-30-2002, 08:27 AM
I was really hoping to have a match against 173 becuase I think that we are both extremly good ball bots and I think it might be a close match up and it might come down to who can control the goal the best. There is always off season competitions.

Jgreenwd1
04-30-2002, 08:31 AM
i think a good match would be two goal handlers and team 95 vs team 173. it would be really close.

Deej
04-30-2002, 11:02 AM
Matches I would have liked to have seen....

Team 60 vs. Team 190.....we were both wishing for it in San Jose, and we were hoping that we would be in the same division at nationals....would have been truely a great match

Team 71 vs. Team 190....at one point later on during the day on Friday, we went outside to do some practicing on the carpet, and low and behold Beatty was out there as well. We have been using the file cards as part of our anchoring system since the orignal 6 weeks, so we wanted to see if we could actually be moved. We placed Gompei out in front, and let them go at it....we couldn't be moved, and it would have been truely great to see what would have happened in a qualifying or elimination match

Team 180 vs. Team 61....I've seen the terror that is known as Fluffy, and I have heard about Team 61 up the road, and I would love to see this battle of power out on the field.

Im sure there are others....

SkitzoSmurf
04-30-2002, 11:03 AM
i cant remember exactly with whom we were paired with but our team got the highest score, 198, and our opponents got a score of 0 due to their tether getting wrapped around a goal, I would call that the best mtch ever

Alex Forest
04-30-2002, 11:06 AM
hmmmm I think you're on the wrong thread there buddy....lol :D

Digo
04-30-2002, 12:46 PM
For me the great matches that never wore would have been 383 & 64 playing together against anyone in 2002, just like we did in 2001. So bad we didn't get to be in the same alliance in the PNW regional and we were in different divisions in Orlando.

Once in the Newton division there was a match with three countries involved. It would be awesome to have a match with USA, Canada, Brazil and England next year. Spread it to the world!

About the 71 vs 365, the start of the match would be really interesting, but the rest probably would be very boring.

aman
04-30-2002, 02:24 PM
Im sorry to hear for the teams that didnt get into the quarterfinals. After all the hard work that teams do It hurts to see a team not go to eliminations, but i hope everyone had a fun time. Too bad we couldnt have fun rounds for robots that didnt get into eliminations. Eventhough we did make it to the quarter finals, we wanted to have a freindly match against 122 since we never got to go against them!
Aman

SharkBite
04-30-2002, 02:28 PM
did anyoen see 469 against 330, that was a pretty decent match up

and 95, you guys are by far the most amazing bot at picking up balls, its incredible how you do that..... you guys would have been really dangerous if you had had a goal grabber

The Lucas
04-30-2002, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Alex Forest
122 vs MOE!!! Just wait til october....that meet you are going to host. We claim your wings!!!! =)
I'm guessing the only MOE giveaway you don't have Alex is a warped piece of wing.

Mike Soukup
05-01-2002, 11:26 PM
469 & 60 were by far the most dominant 2 goal grabbers in the competition. The clever turret design on each bot would have made for an exciting 2 minute tug of war with each latched onto the middle goal. Add 2 excellent ball bots in the match and it would be even more exciting.

Mike

Alex Forest
05-02-2002, 06:16 AM
*sigh* you are almost correct.....I still dont have Brian's hat yet either. but one cant be too greedy.....i'll just have to wait until october to get that warped piece of wing. now...if you happen to have one you would be willing to fedex to me....=)

Andy A.
05-02-2002, 09:49 AM
We do have a goal grabber, it's just difficult to use and we can't really move the goal once we're latched on. Probably is our biggest weakness. You have to give something up for all that speed after all.

Anyways, I think that 175, 121 vs 95 and 173 or any combonation of would be a fun match. Their among the best ball handlers in New England (nation?). It'd be fun to see the mad scramble for balls. I would expect all 60 balls to end up in goals, as far as I know thats never happend.

-Andy A.

Jeff Waegelin
05-02-2002, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by HotWheels2002
Just out of curiosity, I'd like to see 201 vs 007 in a one goal, first to put goal entirely into scoring zone, face off.

That would definitely be interesting. You'd probably win, though, unless we decided to risk crashing into the goal at high speed. The last time we tried that, it didn't work too well. It works much better when we stop, shift to low gear, and then go.

Jeff Rodriguez
05-02-2002, 08:23 PM
i think the 365 vs 71 would go like this:
at th beginning, 365 would get there first, but not beable to move the goals out of 71's reach, so 71 would get 3 also, and then start to shuffle to their zone. Nobody can stop 71 from going forward, unless you are using the filecards to push back, not just anchor. It would end with all 3 goals about halfway in 71's zone.

gniticxe
05-02-2002, 08:51 PM
We actually had a new "Big Foot" (the large anchor that lifts the chassis of our robot completely up) prepared especially for such a match. I think I counted 10 (?) file cards mounted so that when the ~100lbs of the chassis go on it - I think we'd be ripping some carpet. Further, the weight of the two wings, along with the force we gain from pushing up on the goals (~120 lbs) with the new outer feet assembly would make the match very interesting, for 71 and 365 anyway...

Jnadke
05-02-2002, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Ogre
i think the 365 vs 71 would go like this:
at th beginning, 365 would get there first, but not beable to move the goals out of 71's reach, so 71 would get 3 also, and then start to shuffle to their zone. Nobody can stop 71 from going forward, unless you are using the filecards to push back, not just anchor. It would end with all 3 goals about halfway in 71's zone.

No, ancoring with file cards would be better.

Beatty would most likely be dq'ed for tearing the carpet. It would take a lot of force to move a bot with file cards and I'm sure they'd eventually slip.

The Lucas
05-02-2002, 10:14 PM
If Beatty pushed against us and we both did not slip, the carpet would bunch on both sides (it doesn't take much to bunch the carpet, we should know). Eventually the bunching would turn into a huge rip in the carpet between the two bots. Who gets disqualified here? Probaly us, because we are great at getting DQed. We have claimed the First DQ in the nation (happened at VCU), the First DQ at Nationals, and the Last DQ at Nationals. We probaly have more DQs than actual losses. Often when we don't get DQed, we get a chokehold win, which also yeilds 0 QPs. We are thinking of changing the robot's name from MOEhawk to MOE DQ. WOOOHHOOOOO!!! We are The DQ Masters!!!!

SharkBite
05-03-2002, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Andy A.
We do have a goal grabber, it's just difficult to use and we can't really move the goal once we're latched on. Probably is our biggest weakness. You have to give something up for all that speed after all.

Anyways, I think that 175, 121 vs 95 and 173 or any combonation of would be a fun match. Their among the best ball handlers in New England (nation?). It'd be fun to see the mad scramble for balls. I would expect all 60 balls to end up in goals, as far as I know thats never happend.

-Andy A.

those were some good matches at utc.... i think utc must have had the highest ball bot concentration, they were everywhere

Joe Ross
05-03-2002, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by Jnadke


No, ancoring with file cards would be better.

Beatty would most likely be dq'ed for tearing the carpet. It would take a lot of force to move a bot with file cards and I'm sure they'd eventually slip.

Just anchoring with file cards is probably not enough. 330 had 5 or 6 at the bottom of thier planting device, but 469 was still able to move them (although not easily by any means). At the end of the match, the file cards were a complete wreck, but there was hardly any (if any) carpet damage.

Stephen Kowski
05-04-2002, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by The Lucas
Probaly us, because we are great at getting DQed. We have claimed the First DQ in the nation (happened at VCU), the First DQ at Nationals, and the Last DQ at Nationals. We are The DQ Masters!!!!

I disagree I believe we beat you by one DQ. We had one at Kennedy, two in St. Louis(one was a Double DQ :) ), and one more at the Nationals(by the same referee that DQed us twice at St. Louis, boy he liked us).

The Lucas
05-05-2002, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by Joe Ross
Just anchoring with file cards is probably not enough. 330 had 5 or 6 at the bottom of their planting device, but 469 was still able to move them (although not easily by any means). At the end of the match, the file cards were a complete wreck, but there was hardly any (if any) carpet damage.
Joe, this situation is a slightly different. Beatty would have to push a 3 goal + MOEhawk system with about 14 file cards on the floor distributed between our 3 anchors. The nagging question is: Can the BEAST push this mess of well-anchored metal from one scoring zone to the next in less than 2 min?
I know the file cards do not damage the carpet. After the static friction is overcome, the file cards slide themselves out of the carpet and slip harmlessly across the carpet at a severely reduced coefficient of friction. The only damage I can see occurring is a tear in the carpet due to carpet bunching on both sides, not the file cards cutting it. While some bots were pushing against us, the referees forced us to retract our brakes due to carpet bunching.

Originally posted by Stephen Kowski
I disagree I believe we beat you by one DQ. We had one at Kennedy, two in St. Louis(one was a Double DQ :) ), and one more at the Nationals(by the same referee that DQed us twice at St. Louis, boy he liked us).

Yes, Heatwave does have 1 more total DQ than us, but all of the First and Last titles still belong to MOEhawk. However, we did have a partner get shut down during a quaterfinal match because a hit released thier tether (I believe it was spring-loaded) out of bounds. Thier tether missed the line referee by atleast a couple inches :D, he shouldn't have shut down thier bot.
Did you have a mid-match shut down like this Heatwave?

Stephen Kowski
05-05-2002, 09:14 AM
yes. but we were never dqed because of a partner....it was all us i guess lol.

sidewinder
05-05-2002, 02:57 PM
I'd love to take on 365 and anyone against beatty and ourselves. Cuz once beatty would latch, we'd make sure nobody'd turn um. NOBODY

mpking
05-05-2002, 10:45 PM
Could anyone attach a picture of File Cards? I never saw any on anyone's robot.