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Carolyn Duncan
09-11-2001, 08:28 PM
I know there are some teams in New York City and I was wondering if you guys are ok. Did any of yo uhave sponsors with offices in one of the towers? I hope not. What about other teams? Are today's events going to leave your teams a bit lacking due to sponsors? Just wondering about that.

David Kelly
09-11-2001, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Carolyn Duncan
I know there are some teams in New York City and I was wondering if you guys are ok. Did any of yo uhave sponsors with offices in one of the towers? I hope not. What about other teams? Are today's events going to leave your teams a bit lacking due to sponsors? Just wondering about that.


i'm not trying to make this look like a bad thing, but loosing a sponsor is not what we should be worrying about. we should worry about all those inocent lives that were unecessarly lost and defending our freedom. this is the worst day in american history. and when it come down to it, robotics doesn't really matter, does it?



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ernie
09-11-2001, 09:24 PM
Carolyn,

I feel the same as David...who really cares about being short a couple dollars. This is definitely one of the most horrible days our nation has ever seen, many innocent people and heroes died today. If there was a draft would you guys go? Would you fight and die for our country? I hope so, a lot of good men have given their lives to make our country what it is. It is our duty to do the same if called upon...

Ernie

Matt Ryan
09-11-2001, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by ernie
Carolyn,

I feel the same as David...who really cares about being short a couple dollars. This is definitely one of the most horrible days our nation has ever seen, many innocent people and heroes died today. If there was a draft would you guys go? Would you fight and die for our country? I hope so, a lot of good men have given their lives to make our country what it is. It is our duty to do the same if called upon...

Ernie

If I were drafted, I'd go, as would most others who were drafted along with me. I'd fight for my country, but hopefully I wouldn't die for it. The ultimate sacrifice is not easy to make, very few people make the choice willingly.

Andy A.
09-11-2001, 09:33 PM
In the (edited for explicatives) words of Gen. Patton:

'The goal of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other doodoohead die for his.'

That said, I don't think that anyone should be thursting for more blood, either innocents or who ever is responisable for all this.

Enough people have died today eh?

-Andy

Andrew Rudolph
09-11-2001, 09:43 PM
hey, do you want to express your feelings about the recent occurence in New York and Washington. Across the county, we are asking for you to simply write the words "Terrorism Sucks" on back of a white shirt and wear it this week. Within minutes there has been huge resposne to this movement.



Andrew

ernie
09-11-2001, 09:57 PM
matt,

agreed, i would like to say that i would die for my country without a doubt, but the ultimate sacrifice is truly incomprehensible, you wont ever really know what it means until you make that sacrifice

Ernie

Robby O
09-12-2001, 03:38 AM
I had thought about posting about this earlier, but the thoughts I had I felt were inappropriate, as in "How is this going to affect the robotics season". It's very wierd watching this. It doesnt seem real. Almost as if I had turned on the TV to some movie. Some kind of new scare-film that everyone is in on, like that whole thing in the 50's with the alien radio broadcast that everyone thought was real.

I watch the video playback on the news and watch as thousands of lives are lost in an instant, as buildings collapse and explosions happen and I have this incredible urge to cry, my heart going out to all of those victims, some of whom I may possibly know or have known. And yet I cant. I cant cry. I cant force the tears, but they are there, on the edge. Ready to streak my face, being held back by years of being desensitized through television and film.

Look at all the recent films that came out dealing with terrorism in america, Arlington Road, Swordfish, even going back to Die Hard, almost getting us used to the idea, so that when it happens, it wouldnt seem real. As though someone clicked a couple of buttons and generated these special effects. But no, it's real, it's very real, and it's something our generation has not yet had to experience at this level. We've all seen the WW video of other contries being demolished, but we dont think about it being us, we think about ourselves being safe. In some ways we are more so than other countries. And yet we couldnt defend against what has now happened.

Right now I sit awake, scared awake. I'm listening as a plane flys overhead. Or at least what sounds like a plane. The paranoia of a potential war has me thinking a lot about my future plans, and what lies in store for them. I am a thinker, an entertainer. I could never pick up a gun and point it at another human being. It's not my nature or how I was brought up, to fight THAT way (though I am one to stand up for what I believe is right, but with discussions, debates, and ideas). If I were drafted I would be scared out of my mind.

As soon as I found out about this, I called my Air Force recruiter to find out more from there. If there was any department I would join should war be declared, it would be the Air Force. They put you through a few weeks of boot camp and then send you to school to work a job from them. With high enough test scores (which I already got from taking the ASVAB, a navy test (I think) in high school) you can get a computer job. Message decoding and encrypting I would imagine. I would rather use my head to help the war than brute force - I am not a brute force fighter.

So there you go. Those are my thoughts and opinions. Call me paranoid, but these thoughts are now a potential reality. Before this I was already afraid to fly, now forget it. All my trips from this point on will be road trips. Some people on this board probably think that I am just letting my fear run my life. Perhaps it is true. Perhaps I do think much as far as potentially loosing my life goes. But thanks to this event, there may now be many across america now thinking the same. What do we do now? Revert back to a 1950's type time with bomb shelters and sirens?

We shall see in the upcoming long days, weeks, and months where this goes. I can only hope things go up from here. My prayers and heart goes out to all of the victims of this horrendous act of terrorism, and thier family and friends.

Jessica Boucher
09-12-2001, 07:27 AM
Im sorry if this opinion is recoiled with great dissention, but I think Carolyn was literally misinterpreted, due to the great amount of snap judgements made concerning the disaster yesterday (which isn't wrong to have happened, it is a normal reaction to crisis situations).

Anger isn't going to help us right now, it makes us no better than them. What can be found out, is how the American people, in connection with supporting nations, can help repairing the damage done and making sure it won't happen again.

I think the question now is how we as a community, within FIRST and within the world, can help eachother begin the repair process. Personally, if I had started a thread like this, I would not want to start it off with "Ok, so who do you know was directly affected by this?"...we do not know everyone here on such a personal level. Sponsorship is something that everyone within FIRST can relate to, which I think is why it was chosen as a topic of discussion.

In any case, the question remains in my head: How can I help? How can we help?

Robby O
09-12-2001, 10:49 AM
I will have to agree with Jessica that that should be the first thing on our minds. Yahoo has a whole list (http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/) of emergency relief information. I would recommend starting there. If you are old enough or can donate blood, see if and where you can do that too. If I find anything else out, It will be posted here.

Brandon Martus
09-12-2001, 11:54 AM
You can donate money to the Red Cross on amazon.com

http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/paypage/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/107-2669628-8816567

Pamela
09-12-2001, 03:37 PM
One thing teams as a whole can do to help is to take up collections at schools to raise money for the relief funds. My team did this in school today and raised over $300 to donate to the Red Cross, we will be continuing with this all week. If many teams contributed to this cause think of how much help it would be to our country in this time of need. Also try gettign in touch with local Red Cross units to donate blood, their is an anticipated blood shortage for the next 2-3 weeks, any help in that area will save lives. Most of all, we all should take a minute out of our busy schedules to stop and pray, pray for those lost in these tragedies, pray for their families, pray for the heroic rescue workers, pray for our country, pray that their will be no more attacks, and pray for peace in the world so that this huge terrorist attack does not unfold into WWIII.

Leon Machado IV
09-12-2001, 04:25 PM
I received this chain letter from members and my family and we're trying to spread it around. I usually never respond to chain letters but I think this one has a pretty good idea behind it. I think it's worth doing. Please post if you going to do this or something similar, I'd like to know how many people are looking at this. Please also tell me if you are going to email it. Email me at leon4th@aol.com. Thanks.

In memory of all those who perished this morning; the passengers and the pilots on the United Air and AA flights, the workers in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and all the innocent bystanders. Our prayers go out to the friends and families of the deceased. Send this to at least 10 people to show your support. DONT BREAK IT!!!!!! God's speed to all those who have lost their lives...GOD BLESS AMERICA and the freedom it represents tomorrow is US pride day, everyone wear US colors (jeans are blue, everyone owns a white t-shirt, etc). try to be wearing as much red white and blue as you can. send this message to as many other people you know. Lets get the whole country into it. At least send it to 10 other people.

Matt Leese
09-12-2001, 06:57 PM
The terrorists have not won. They may have killed some people but they will never win because we will not let them. They have severely misjudged the American people. They have not caused division and strife. In this greatest of tragedies, they have brought the American people together. We will win this because we will work together. There is no giving up; defeat is unacceptable.

The same philosophy that FIRST promotes, that of working together, is the same that the country needs to, and is, in fact, embracing. Through this, no matter whether or not there is retaliation, we will prove that the terrorist have not and cannot win.

Matt

Matt Ryan
09-12-2001, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Matt Leese
The terrorists have not won. They may have killed some people but they will never win because we will not let them. They have severely misjudged the American people. They have not caused division and strife. In this greatest of tragedies, they have brought the American people together. We will win this because we will work together. There is no giving up; defeat is unacceptable.

The same philosophy that FIRST promotes, that of working together, is the same that the country needs to, and is, in fact, embracing. Through this, no matter whether or not there is retaliation, we will prove that the terrorist have not and cannot win.

Matt

Bush basically said that there would be massive retaliation. Sheldon (Secretary of the Army) said the military was ready. People are calling for war.

Some are going so far as to say this is the start of WWIII.

Leon Machado IV
09-12-2001, 11:18 PM
I don't know how many people have seen this but FIRST has posted consolances on their webpage.

In case you mind isn't working right now or this is your first time visiting FIRST, their webpage is at http://www.usfirst.org. See ya.

Carolyn Duncan
09-12-2001, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Jessica Boucher
Im sorry if this opinion is recoiled with great dissention, but I think Carolyn was literally misinterpreted, due to the great amount of snap judgements made concerning the disaster yesterday (which isn't wrong to have happened, it is a normal reaction to crisis situations).

Anger isn't going to help us right now, it makes us no better than them. What can be found out, is how the American people, in connection with supporting nations, can help repairing the damage done and making sure it won't happen again.

I think the question now is how we as a community, within FIRST and within the world, can help eachother begin the repair process. Personally, if I had started a thread like this, I would not want to start it off with "Ok, so who do you know was directly affected by this?"...we do not know everyone here on such a personal level. Sponsorship is something that everyone within FIRST can relate to, which I think is why it was chosen as a topic of discussion.

In any case, the question remains in my head: How can I help? How can we help?
Thanks Jess,
That was what I was going for. I realize the country is experiencing a great loss right now, I myself am waiting to hear from friends in NYC. Right now the loss of life is on everyone's minds. In my opinion that is not the only thing we should be thinking about. We also have to prepare ourselves for the financial hole we are about to find ourselves in. The WTC was the, I dare say, financial center of the country. There is much to worry about from every angle. I recieved an email that I will post tomorrow. It is an editorial from a Canada newspaper. Anyway, I would like to share something that I was reminded of by Joe Ross. "In the city of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succomb. The third big war will begin when the city is burning." ~ Nostrodamus 1654 [thanx for reminding me Joe;)] I think that speaks for itself. I also know, from friends in Euope, that this has many counrties ready to help us retaliate. They are scared too and want to help. I think this will be a great change in the world and all the people who served in WWI and II will no longer be able to say we don't understand what they fought for.

patrickrd
09-13-2001, 01:14 PM
The loss of life in New York City, DC, and Pennsylvania truly is horrendous. However, as has been mentioned, we must accept what has happened and our country will go on -- as strong (if not stronger) than ever.

In my economics class today, we discussed the economic implications of this disaster, and I will share some of the key points my professor mentioned:


The world trade center was targeted, representing an attack sn the symbol of trade and the American economy
The New York Stock Exchange closes for three or more days -- the most since World War I
NASDAQ has no physical location and operationally is untouched
The value of american dollar in other countries immediately dropped following the attack, but has since recovered
Stocks will likely open on Friday or Monday at a much lower price than they opened, but it is unlikely to see many americans selling stocks, given the increased moral and patriotism following the attacks.
Responses to this attack can and will effect the economy, should they happen
Wars historically are very good for economy short-term, bad long-term
Public level of confidence directly effects spending and economy. no signs that consumer confidence will drop


In the words of Franklin Roosevelt, especially with regards to the economy, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

I'd post more thoughts, but have to go to class.

Patrick

Kyle Fenton
09-13-2001, 09:58 PM
NASDAQ has no physical location and operationally is untouched


NASDAQ does have a physical building. That is the tower with the TV screen all on one side of the building in Times Square. Where the actual trading takes place is in a server in Connecticut in a rural affluent town. However no one from the public has ever seen these servers before.

The stock market is primary being closed because it is really difficult to get down to Wal Street, they have to prove that Wal Street is safe for investors (probably the Army is going to be there for a couple of days), and many finical documents were lost during the WTC collapse. However I think that a good number of those finical records were kept on computer and backed up on servers all throughout the world.

The biggest thing that is lost, besides the lost of life, is the insurance pollicies. Most of them are kept on computer disks, but many before the 1970s were kept on paper, and stored in the WTC. Some of those insurance plans may have lost coverage, and people are force to live with no insurance.

Leon Machado IV
09-13-2001, 10:35 PM
All those records had an exact duplicate that was kept across the river. We're a little bit smarter than that (I think).