No Way That's Gonna Happen!

[samir13k]

Alright, what do you want to see in FRC even though you know there is now way its gonna happen.

Swimming Robots?
Flying Robots?
Flying Monkeys on the Field???:rolleyes:

Give us your random ideas, realistic or non-realistic!

[BandChick]

Let me just throw it out there now...

WATER GAME!

[3dude_2231]

WATER GAME! => this year, definitely

[ttldomination]

Water game is the most unlikely game out of all of that. And there are a number of reasons.

The logistics of that would be HUGE. That would require a complete over haul of rules, material, not to mention building the field at regionals would be crazy.

But the flying monkeys on the field seems...interesting..:D.

[3dude_2231]

your'e not thinking 'outside of the box' enough :D
..leaving us to dream

[squirrel]

The water game is being done by someone else....

http://www.h2orobots.org/aaindex.htm

give it a try!

My "No Way That's Gonna Happen!" is having a dirty, rocky playing field, like those fortunate extraterrestrial robots get to play on.

[samir13k]

if you really want to think outside the box, then there would be nuclear warfare on the field!

...like thats gonna happen!
human players wearing jetpacks! thats what i would want to see! (and do)

[3dude_2231]

now I like it :D

[Nuttyman54]

Water game is the most unlikely game out of all of that. And there are a number of reasons.

The logistics of that would be HUGE. That would require a complete over haul of rules, material, not to mention building the field at regionals would be crazy.


I would actually argue that a water game is the most likely of the suggestions so far, simply because there are multiple competition models to build off of. (MATE, NURC, etc).


I would like to see a mostly autonomous game, or one where your controls are limited to only pre-programmed sequences (like hybrid mode last year)

[Wayne C.]

a game that is simple, easily scored, interesting to play and with a minimal amount of referee decisions and petty rules.....

[s_forbes]

Fill the field with packing peanuts. Or maybe balloons?

[lenny8]

what about we ride the robots

[joeweber]

Robots On Ice!!!

We are actually designing a robot that will work on ice and shoot hockey pucks for demonstrations at a local professional hockey team. We want to bring it out during intermission.

Thoughts are blades instead of wheels configured like omni wheel omni bots (four motors on four corners at 45 degrees). Than pick up the pucks and shoot them at the nets.

[EricH]

I'm going to go with Wayne-- I don't think FRC has had one of those in years! (If it hasn't been multipliers, it's been ref judgment calls or seemingly minor rules that have a huge effect.)

As for outside-the-box, I'll go with "house" robots that only get in the way, or that you have to score on. Preferably the latter, as the former has already been done.

[samir13k]

what about we ride the robots

Ha! we made one of those, we call it the magic carpet!
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/samir13k/picture048.jpg

...I still have some troubleshooting to do with it though...

[gorrilla]

i think first should design a game with more interaction between teams, like you have to score on the other alliances robots somehow

[samir13k]

multiple story playing field anyone?:rolleyes:

[Sunshine]

I want to see students operating robots with their minds. Check out these two links before you poo-poo the idea.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4564186n
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/6130

[rsisk]

I like the cooperative type of game, especially with the new networking capabilities of this years control system. Imagine if the robots had to communicate information to the other robots on their team concerning track conditions or something of that nature. Even better if they had to discover who was on their team and act without the other alliance discovering them (that might be tough to do :yikes: )

[samir13k]

What if they had teams had a round where teams would swap robots and use the other teams robots! It's definitely not unrealistic, but the other team might be mad if you damaged their robot!:mad:

[bduddy]

a game that is simple, easily scored, interesting to play and with a minimal amount of referee decisions and petty rules.....
I'm going to go with Wayne-- I don't think FRC has had one of those in years! (If it hasn't been multipliers, it's been ref judgment calls or seemingly minor rules that have a huge effect.)

As for outside-the-box, I'll go with "house" robots that only get in the way, or that you have to score on. Preferably the latter, as the former has already been done.
I've got it! I've got it! We can replace the referees with...

http://82.183.165.194/robot/images/RWE2002/Refbot.jpg

:)

P.S.: I know that picture is a bit big... is there any way to resize them on this forum?

[samir13k]

Forget the water and flying monkeys! lets play in a huge batch of corn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-m1QBOxsfg&feature=related

...maybe we can have our robots pick up the corn and have to turn it into ethanol in the process of playing the game. That way we can get rid of our bulky batteries, and put combustible materials on the field!:rolleyes:
(...i'm pretty sure ethanol's combustible...not positive though)

[EricH]

Forget the water and flying monkeys! lets play in a huge batch of corn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-m1QBOxsfg&feature=related

...maybe we can have our robots pick up the corn and have to turn it into ethanol in the process of playing the game. That way we can get rid of our bulky batteries, and put combustible materials on the field!:rolleyes:
(...i'm pretty sure ethanol's combustible...not positive though)
Been there, done that, though only about 7 - 12 teams are still around. 1992, FRC's game Maize Craze. I remember looking through the rules once, can't remember where. Might have been at the TechnoKats History Project site. The floor? Corn.

Oh, for the days of 30-page rulebooks!

[thehurd03]

multiple story playing field anyone?:rolleyes:

and the drivers could be on scissor lifts that would change height depending on where the robot is.

Other than that.............


Soup Game!

A robot collects meat veggies and broth and makes it hot, then serves it to the refs, scoring could be based half on how good the soup is, and half on how well you picked up the ingredients

(original Idea by some kid from rat pack ( I just think it's awsome)!)

[EricVanWyk]

Oh, for the days of 30-page rulebooks!

Seconded.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

How about a game where the robots are not allowed to have wheels. :yikes:

[hipsterjr]

How about a game where the robots are not allowed to have wheels. :yikes:

Shhh... you're giving away my idea for this years frame. There are hexapod designs that actually pretty good. http://cfs2.tistory.com/upload_control/download.blog?fhandle=YmxvZzkzNjQyQGZzMi50aXN0b3J5 LmNvbTovYXR0YWNoLzAvNjMuYm1w

[Billfred]

A game where it's possible to win by knockout. (Not necessarily rendering your opponents motionless, just achieving some exceedingly difficult objective.)

[hipsterjr]

capture the flag

or
Grifball!!!!:D

[Sunbun]

Soup Game!

A robot collects meat veggies and broth and makes it hot, then serves it to the refs, scoring could be based half on how good the soup is, and half on how well you picked up the ingredients

Robot Iron Chef?

(Sounds like something straight out of Futurama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_30%25_Iron_Chef)...)

[ebarker]

WATER GAME! => this year, definitely

60 POINT BONUS , get the ball on top of the ring at the end game (http://www.kellmarine.org/zenphoto/cache/waterbot/DSC_06.JPG_595.jpg)

water game O'rama...

[Wayne C.]

I've got it! I've got it! We can replace the referees with...

http://82.183.165.194/robot/images/RWE2002/Refbot.jpg

:)


the refs are irreplaceable. ; )

[Schnabel]

How about drive team matches? That is instead of the Drive team driving the robot, the robot shocks the drive team into running and doing the tasks! :yikes:

[Herodotus]

No wheels or tanks tracks touching the ground. I.E. no rolling drive chain. It has to walk or hover. Unreasonable? Oh, entirely. Awesome? Oh, definitely.

Edit: Whoops, sorry Dan, I must have slipped past your post. This has already been suggested.

[Doug G]

Going with the theme of no wheeled robots, how about a game played on a suspended cargo net - no way it's gonna happen - but definitely doable, and I bet there would be a pretty wide variety of solutions.

[samir13k]

[QUOTE=Herodotus;774865]No wheels or tanks tracks touching the ground. I.E. no rolling drive chain. It has to walk or hover. Unreasonable? Oh, entirely. Awesome? Oh, definitely.QUOTE]


Actually my team had discussed this at our last meeting! If we hover then we can just have our robot lower to the ground whenever we need to black an object!

Also, air tubes (i dont know the technical term, The tubes full of air at the bottom of the robot that floats inches above the ground) could act as our bumpers!:rolleyes:

[TheSuzy343]

I say that each robot on the alliance should interact directly. Give each robot a part of the task to fulfill that can't be completed without the interaction of the three. No more alliances that sqeak by relying on one or two robots with a dummy behind them...

[JesseK]

Robots start on the outside of the arena and must either flip or climp their way over the retaining wall in order to play the game.

[JAZAD1]

robot paintball around the regular venues campus. This would mean we could only watch via camera but it would be cool:cool:

[Barry Bonzack]

A game that 100% of people say they love the day of kickoff.

[Cyberphil]

A game that 100% of people say they love the day of kickoff.

Well, that's like saying having a president that wins 100% of the popular votes. But its a good idea!:rolleyes:

[tim_reiher]

Fruit as game pieces! Then there can be food fights after every match! :D
(Human players, of course, may get some of this during a match...)
Actually, that could end up being quite wasteful now that I think of it. But it's more biodegradable than pvc or nylon or rubber!

[alicen]

i say, human players on the field :D

[EricH]

i say, human players on the field :D Stack Attack. (Oh, you meant while the robots are running? Then I'd agree with you, though Triple Play came close.)

[johnr]

Buffet or Gates decide FIRST is to important to fail. Leave feds out, they got to much to deal with. One billion dollars is put in trust fund at 4%. Teams split the interest once a year. I'll leave the math to someone else.

[Taylor]

Duct tape is legal.
On the other hand, electricity is not.
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All programming must be written in binary.
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Lemons replace 12V batteries for the power source. Or perhaps hamsters.
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Non-Newtonian Fluid game. Buy stock in cornstarch now!
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Robots have a minimum size requirement rather than a maximum.
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Game objects are Bicycle brand playing cards.
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Alliances are selected based on the robots' functionalities and the teams' strategies, not based on history and politics
(naw, that's too outlandish even for this thread)

[Andrew Schreiber]

programming must be written in binary.

Because real programmers use....http://xkcd.com/378/ (I admit I fail and use nano)


Alliances are selected based on the robots' functionalities and the teams' strategies, not based on history and politics
(naw, that's too outlandish even for this thread)

Never gonna happen, for sure.

Never gonna happen, Dave Lavery banned from the internet from April until January (sorry Dave, the red herrings have to stop) and also, no more mention of a water game for illogical reasons. Ie, "I noticed that Dean was wearing blue socks at Championship this year, also Woodie had two blue sharpies with him, this is evidence for a WATER GAME!!!!!!!" A Jello game on the other hand...

[samir13k]

Duct tape is legal.
On the other hand, electricity is not.

Lemons replace 12V batteries for the power source. Or perhaps hamsters.

Yay, that way i can't electricrute myself...(I did it twice at Cage Match). Actually I could but i dont think it would hurt as mutch with all the power coming from a lemon.

But does that also mean that lemons are illegal since electricity is not?

[Joe Ross]

Buffet or Gates decide FIRST is to important to fail. Leave feds out, they got to much to deal with. One billion dollars is put in trust fund at 4%. Teams split the interest once a year. I'll leave the math to someone else.

1 billion at 4% is 40 million. Split between 20,000 high schools is $2000 per team.

[Andrew Schreiber]

1 billion at 4% is 40 million. Split between 20,000 high schools is $2000 per team.

Yes but if we split it among FRC teams its 26,000 per teams (1501 according the FIRST) Now, some teams have budgets higher than that, others look at that number and wonder how they would ever need that much money.

Somebody needs to talk them into this.

[samir13k]

1 billion at 4% is 40 million. Split between 20,000 high schools is $2000 per team.

There is only 1501 teams last season.
that leaves each team approximately $26,650!:D

Oops...Didnt see your post andrew, but we had the same figures. In that case I confirmed your math.

And Go 1501!! that happens to be my team number as well as the amount of Teams in FIRST!

[Andrew Schreiber]

Another thing that will never happen, FIRST abandoning its unrealistic goal of FRC in every high school. Logic should tell them they dont need FRC in every school, a more realistic goal would be to have FRC available to every high school student.

[ChristinaR]

25's mind control system (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=773614&postcount=2) being released to other teams for beta testing in hopes of replacing NI by 2010.



:D

[Astarties]

I would like to see something involving a mine field. Maybe an obsticle course would be cool. The final contestants are not determined by points, but who still has a robot at the end.

[Wayne C.]

25's mind control system (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=773614&postcount=2) being released to other teams for beta testing in hopes of replacing NI by 2010.



:D

we will happily release this system if we can get Bharat tied down so we can do the extraction surgery. We have the orb ready......

WC

[Nin_estarSaerah]

Instead of one robot, each team must build 5. the game requires 12 robots per alliance, so the teams could chose one robot from each team to sit out, or three from one team, or two from one team and one from another. The game would require both offense and defense. ah, man, so awesome... :rolleyes:

either that or humanoid robots.

or completely autonomous

or 5 completely autonomous humanoid robots per team.:D

[Robert Cawthon]

How about having the drivers in another room where the only way they can see what is happening is through a camera mounted on the robot?:ahh:

[Jeff Pahl]

What do I really want to see...

Every team that comes up to the inspection station has their correct Bill of Materials in their hand. And it's actually readable, instead of something they wrote on a piece of notebook paper from memory in the bus that morning:)

[samir13k]

Can somebody please just find a psychic and tell us what the game is? I'm getting ancy!

[synth3tk]

What do I really want to see...

Every team that comes up to the inspection station has their correct Bill of Materials in their hand. And it's actually readable, instead of something they wrote on a piece of notebook paper from memory in the bus that morning:)
I think we've been guilty of that one, but only because we left ours at the shop. Of course, the hand writing was readable...

I like the through-a-camera idea, sort of like that one underwater robotics competition.

[Taylor]

It would be neat to see autonomous throughout the game. There could be pressure pads a la Triple Play, only reversed. When the HP is on the pressure pad, a teleoperated control is turned off and any scoring done by the robot is counted triple-score.

[Nin_estarSaerah]

What do I really want to see...

Every team that comes up to the inspection station has their correct Bill of Materials in their hand. And it's actually readable, instead of something they wrote on a piece of notebook paper from memory in the bus that morning:)

in the bus that morning or in the hotel room at 4 in the morning.
After several years of forgetting to make a BOM, we made sure that we had a nice, neat, correct Bill of Materials typed up in advance, printed out several copies and saved it onto a laptop and a flash drive....and then somehow neglected to bring any of these to competition. We ended up with something we wrote on notebook paper at three in the morning, anyway.

Hopefully, this year, we will be one less team with an illegible BOM handed in on a peice of notebook paper.

[EricH]

in the bus that morning or in the hotel room at 4 in the morning.
After several years of forgetting to make a BOM, we made sure that we had a nice, neat, correct Bill of Materials typed up in advance, printed out several copies and saved it onto a laptop and a flash drive....and then somehow neglected to bring any of these to competition. We ended up with something we wrote on notebook paper at three in the morning, anyway.

Hopefully, this year, we will be one less team with an illegible BOM handed in on a peice of notebook paper.
Next time, put it with the programming laptop, if you have one. Or on it. (Of course, Murphy dictates that then the programming laptop will be left behind... It's just much less likely to stay home.)

[Karibou]

How about having the drivers in another room where the only way they can see what is happening is through a camera mounted on the robot?:ahh:
That sounds...totally awesome :D

[synth3tk]

Oh, great. I was winning "the game" until you posted.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[samir13k]

Me too!!! ugh...I lost to kids from 1720 and im from 1501 which is 60 miles away. I was doing so good!

[Nosh]

the human player role jumps to a whole new level... humans versus robots! (dumb but sort of funny to think of)

[Zach226-PRLead]

Haha Nosh! I think An underwater challenge in a pool type arena!!!
can you say wet electronics!! lol

[Nawaid Ladak]

what about something like Bombing Run in Unreal Tournament, but with robots, you could use baskets that are twelve feet above the playing field , where robots can climb a ramp/steps to get to a 3 foot hight, the ball would reset via human players after someone scores

[Nin_estarSaerah]

A Junkyard Wars type competition.

[EricH]

A Junkyard Wars type competition.I already use Junkyard Wars when trying to explain FIRST to the public... That, and Monster Garage.

[Sam2197]

im thinkin that this year is probably not water. maybe soon though. i would have to guess something that will require something of this new control system. so possible multiple autonomous periods. one at the start and one at the end. maybe obstacles that require articulation and maybe a phase in the game where you are required to lose visual of your robot and allow the control system to take over temporarily

[Burmeister #279]

If you are thinking of making time adjustments you have to remember that the number of teams is growing exponentially each year and you can't have regionals running for 5-6 days. Most likely, the time will stay the same, but instead, another team will be added to the alliances.

Also, as far as multiple autonomous periods are concerned, I don't think it'll be possible {^} instead, i think more teams will use buttons to set off programmed series of movements or automatic movements based off sensors. [we'll definately try] because

As far as the game's concerned, multiple game piece shape/sizes [as in not just changing scale] seems possible and an interesting idea because a universal arm/hand would probably not work

[Sam2197]

im almost certain multiple autonomous periods is possible. if anyone is knows for sure about this let me know.

[ali-of-oz-388]

388 has the best idea as to what the game is, but we're not telling... not now atleast!

[typharn91]

I have a great idea as too what the games going to be let's take the water game to the extreme...pudding or jello game anyone

[GarrettF2395]

Hmm, I think the one thing I would really like to see is...
Robots trying to joust, in a field filled with chuck E. cheese ballpit balls.
Now that would be awesome!:D
Also it would we cool if all the refs were dressed as ninjas... :rolleyes:

[goodsky]

I like the fully autonomous robot idea! We joked about that for a while this year because if the lap running autonomous for Overdrive worked well enough -with collision detection included- then we could just turn in on and let it run the whole match and maybe make the turns better than a human driver... (it didn't work that well... it started having temper tantrums!) But that would be really cool to more automated commands for the robots! Maybe zones where you can not have any human control, and it has to go through on sensors and programming alone!

[GaryVoshol]

pudding or jello game anyoneSorry, the jello game is reserved for FLL. Lime jello, specifically.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Sorry, the jello game is reserved for FLL. Lime jello, specifically.

I thought Dave said that they rejected his jello game :p

[Andrew Schreiber]

Just because Dave says something does not mean he is telling us everything, they could have vetoed the lime jello game but not the strawberry jello game.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Just because Dave says something does not mean he is telling us everything, they could have vetoed the lime jello game but not the strawberry jello game.

Dave never tells us everything ... especially around hint time.

[ikhana870]

I think that a human component on the field would be AMAZING!!!:eek:

[surferacf]

Two Words: Robot Jousting

[Wayne C.]

I think that a human component on the field would be AMAZING!!!:eek:

Two Words: Robot Jousting:eek:

How about together-
new fun for the team safety officers.

I'll bring the band aids....

[waialua359]

I like the fully autonomous robot idea! We joked about that for a while this year because if the lap running autonomous for Overdrive worked well enough -with collision detection included- then we could just turn in on and let it run the whole match and maybe make the turns better than a human driver... (it didn't work that well... it started having temper tantrums!) But that would be really cool to more automated commands for the robots! Maybe zones where you can not have any human control, and it has to go through on sensors and programming alone!

Sounds like Botball, somewhat. ;)

[Betty_Krocker]

Cheerleaders...

No really though, a robot game with rules similar to Risk. This would combine FIRST, Battlebots, and US Government...

[ikhana870]

i think first should design a game with more interaction between teams
yeah I agree. but i think that it will be more like you have to pass the ball or whatever from teammate to teammate. so you really need to work with them, or your whole alience suffers, that or i think that it would be cool to have a multi leveled playing field, like each robot is responsible for getting it up to the next level for the next robot to score.

[kjhobin]

yeah I agree. but i think that it will be more like you have to pass the ball or whatever from teammate to teammate. so you really need to work with them, or your whole alience suffers, that or i think that it would be cool to have a multi leveled playing field, like each robot is responsible for getting it up to the next level for the next robot to score.

Multi Leveled might be hard, but just having sections with walls and having to pass the scoring object would definitely be possible and fun. Have the alliances going in opposing directions, and you could still play defense.

[logicalyrandom]

After seeing this years hint, I have something that I can now say will never, ever, not until the end of time, happen: We will never see a game hint that allows us to guess at what the game will be, nor one that fails to cause a ridiculous amount of speculation.

[Gin]

What I would like to see happen is a game when they switch on auto mode at random points during the game.

[joshy1323]

i want to have each division at nationals gather their robots and battle to determine what division really is best.

[GarrettF2395]

What if the game field was like a giant air hockey table that made the game pieces move at random?
Then at random times during the match, the lights on the field will turn off an on again! :D Sounds like fun!

[Otaku]

Multi Leveled might be hard, but just having sections with walls and having to pass the scoring object would definitely be possible and fun. Have the alliances going in opposing directions, and you could still play defense.

A three-sectioned field with one robot from each alliance in the box, and you need to get game pieces from one side of the field to the other with the help of your teammates, or by flinging it all the way over?

They could do it so you can throw the pieces over, but the robot on the recieving end still has to pick it up and put it on a pylon or something to score. Think any one of FIRST's crazy stacking games.

Then you get three kinds of robots I can think of: Defenders (low to the ground, lots of torque, just there to mess your day up and push you around), Throwers (the name says it all) and, lets call them "Arms" (Arm-equipped robots that can pick up, pass, and stack the game pieces for scoring.

There, you retain the element that defense is important (assuming we're on carpet again, where you can actually push people around easily), but you can't exactly win if all you do is defend.

I kind of like that idea, actually. Teamwork isn't required but you'll get leaps and bounds farther.

Oh, but in the interest of fairness, let people choose which section to put their team's robot in. That way you don't get a defender on the end where it can't help you score at all. That'd be no bueno.

[JanTM1191]

i think first should design a game with more interaction between teams, like you have to score on the other alliances robots somehow


Looks like that already happened this year...heheh good guess!! :)

[Gravitynerd]

I think I'd like to see a more battlebot type of game. FOR ONCE. just a cannon or something. no no wait howabout. a game to burn holes with lasers and it's based around tic tac toe?

[blaxbb]

this game is going to be insanley like battlebots because of the lack of control teams will (likely) have

[FatBabyJezus]

A gravity bot that controls gravity goinboom boom lifting humans into the air andstuff
kaboosh!

cant wait for comments on my post

[Misanthrope]

Something with modular robotics (think nanorobots, if nanorobots weren't so nano) would be amazing, and challenging, but the problem is that the parts they give us are just too large to make a working modular system.

[smurfgirl]

People will read the manual before asking questions. ;)

... And search before posting.

[fhsteam613]

mine field?

[samir13k]

Looks like Gorrilla got the guess for 2009... maybe Dave stole the game idea off this thread lol... so we got "wheels required" out of the way... now maybe we should have a game without wheels:rolleyes:

[AlexD744]

Robots On Ice!!!

We are actually designing a robot that will work on ice and shoot hockey pucks for demonstrations at a local professional hockey team. We want to bring it out during intermission.

Thoughts are blades instead of wheels configured like omni wheel omni bots (four motors on four corners at 45 degrees). Than pick up the pucks and shoot them at the nets.

WOW! that's creepy you got the game w/ out getting the game.

[BigWhiteYeti]

Instead of building one large robot... have a full colony! FIRST can go small-scale. Instead of driving the robots individually, the humans would send commands a la Overdrive. The objective might be to, say, build the highest tower with small bricks and knock your opponents' down. Robotermites, unite!

[bobwrit]

Instead of building one large robot... have a full colony! FIRST can go small-scale. Instead of driving the robots individually, the humans would send commands a la Overdrive. The objective might be to, say, build the highest tower with small bricks and knock your opponents' down. Robotermites, unite!

Just don't have them feel emotions.... I speak from experience...(AGRHHH they've got my leg again)

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Instead of building one large robot... have a full colony! FIRST can go small-scale. Instead of driving the robots individually, the humans would send commands a la Overdrive. The objective might be to, say, build the highest tower with small bricks and knock your opponents' down. Robotermites, unite!

WOW, what a cool idea.

How about a game where the cRIO isn't allowed to move (re:Base station) but the robot is allowed to detatch smaller robots (er ... Robotermites?!?) to perform the tasks while being controlled wirelessly from the cRIOs internal network.

[ChrisH]

Instead of building one large robot... have a full colony! FIRST can go small-scale. Instead of driving the robots individually, the humans would send commands a la Overdrive. The objective might be to, say, build the highest tower with small bricks and knock your opponents' down. Robotermites, unite!


The stacking part has already been done .... sort of. It was in 2003 and called "Stack Attack". In my not so humble opinion, it was not one of FIRST's better games. Stacking was difficult, knocking down stacks was easy, so most teams took the easy way.

[ZInventor]

i say, MUCH BIGGER (100feet square or circle, or triangle or odd shaped MINIMUM) and 10 teams on the field at time, with 2-team alliances (5 alliances per match)

plus, make the field have UNPREDICTABLE obstacles, and, since more teams are on at a time, you can run much longer matches, 10 minutes on one battery anyone? (we need to go LiIon as soon as it's cheep enough...)

i also liked the previously mentioned idea of botcams being the only visual contact (mabe more than one, or good gimbles... coupled with a mechanum, you could have the bot drive whatever way the camera faces...)

robots deploying smaller minions would also be fun... but tricky...

NON SPHERICAL GAME PIECES + Multiple different game pieces on the field...

water game's already been done by another comp, so not too much af a point to it...

also, NON FLAT SURFACE...

methinks Dave reads this thread... n the first page, someone suggested ice, this year, we got pretty close...

-Z

[notsteve]

How bout a like seriously 16 vs 16 capture the flag game! played on a football feild! that would be so epic maybe put some movable obsticles and defenses teams can lay before match. how epic would first have it with that? even throw some way to like "tag people out"

[hurtzmyhead]

capture the flag

or
Grifball!!!!:D
grifball griffball griffball!
and the bomb has to blow up after they score!

[Wayne C.]

a game that is simple, easily scored, interesting to play and with a minimal amount of referee decisions and petty rules.....

holy schnikees- the impossible almost did happen.....



whats next- free registration?

[ZInventor]

whats next- free registration?

me likes, how about free KOP too, and all materials donated!!!

that would make me happy...

-Z

[FRC4ME]

me likes, how about free KOP too, and all materials donated!!!

that would make me happy...

-Z

It's already pretty close. Including the new control system, the stuff in this year's KOP was worth way more than $1000.