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YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Fourth time around! Include a breakdown, point-by-point, ball-by-ball, or just a number of the average alliance score. Mostly, this thread is so we can look back in eight weeks and realize how terribly wrong we were. Qualifying round is probably the most useful, but elimination scores are interesting to try and peg as well.

For your perusing pleasure, here's last year's thread: Predict the Average Match Score of 2011's Week 1 Regionals
And two years thread: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2010's Week 1 Regionals
And three years ago's thread: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2009's Week 1 Regionals

In 2011 excluding eliminations the average alliance scored about 34 points.
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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Hybrid Mode

On average 1 ball in low hoop = 4 points

Teleop Mode

Time to cross field: 20 sec
Time to reload: 5 sec
Time to score: 5 sec
Total turnaround time: 30 sec
Points/turnaround: 2 points

Average points in teleop = 8

I do not expect to see balancing occur that often, and if it does the teleop score is probably a bit high to compensate.

Average week 1 score = 12 points
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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Hybrid Mode
5 points (1 ball in middle hoop)

Teleop Mode
4X across the field, for 3*2points each (middle hoop for all three balls), but there will not always be 3 balls waiting, so
15 points for a fairly good robot
5 points from the other two robots in the alliance
10 points for one robot balancing

Average score: 35 points

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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

2079 estimated the average score to be around 16 week one. We estimate it will move up to 20 in later weeks and elims. We estimated the high score of the year to be 40.
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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Since penalties add points to your opponent's score, I expect the scores to be a bit higher. Maybe around 20 points.
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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

sorry week one.... should read before i post..

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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

15 without penalties, 20 including penalties
Remember, average score includes those plentiful times that 3 robots are placed on the field and maybe one has something figured out, sometimes none.
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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

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We estimated the high score of the year to be 40.
A high tier alliance could very well get 36 in hybrid alone, if not more.
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A high tier alliance could very well get 36 in hybrid alone, if not more.
Totally agreed.

I'm guessing around 40 on the low end, 70 on the high end, so around 50 on the average for Week 1, and 80 during Elimination matches, with 110 being the high score.
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Totally agreed.

I'm guessing around 40 on the low end, 70 on the high end, so around 50 on the average for Week 1, and 80 during Elimination matches, with 110 being the high score.
I think 110 is pushing it because you have to rely on the other alliance to either score or put the balls back into play and your alliance get to them 1st. You also can only hold 3 balls at a time thats a max of 9 points at a time...
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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Since my guess from last year was way off, I will say somewhere around 20 average score on the first week, though I would have to mess with the ramps to see how difficult it will be to balance.
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I think 110 is pushing it because you have to rely on the other alliance to either score or put the balls back into play and your alliance get to them 1st. You also can only hold 3 balls at a time thats a max of 9 points at a time...
Each robot on the alliance scores each of their 2 balls held, plus one robot will go back to take the balls from a bridge and score. A total of 48 points right there.

Each robot on that alliance scores 5 balls each in Teleop. That's 15 points per robot, which is 45 points total from those. And scoring 15 balls all together can be a low amount.

Two robots on a bridge at the end scores a solid 20, or 40 for three robots during the Elims.

That's 113 points in Qualifications and 133 points in Eliminations. Take that and add the number of times your opponent fouled.

Oh 110+ is happening at least twice per regional event.
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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

My estimation is that alliances will score around 20-30 points on average, with fouls pushing the score to around 50.
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Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Let's add a little data to the flames. Below is a histogram of alliance scores in week 1 of 2006 according to the Blue Alliance. That is New Jersey, VCU, and the Pacific Northwest. So it is missing at least BAE, others may be missing too. The mean points scored per alliance was 28.2, this would be after penalties.



There are a lot of similarities between 2006 and 2012, but I would argue on the whole the 2012 is a much more technically challenging game with fewer opportunities for points. On the flipside, penalties add points to the other alliance's score.
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Let's add a little data to the flames. Below is a histogram of alliance scores in week 1 of 2006 according to the Blue Alliance. That is New Jersey, VCU, and the Pacific Northwest. So it is missing at least BAE, others may be missing too. The mean points scored per alliance was 28.2, this would be after penalties.

There are a lot of similarities between 2006 and 2012, but I would argue on the whole the 2012 is a much more technically challenging game with fewer opportunities for points. On the flipside, penalties add points to the other alliance's score.
Also remember there was a 25 point bonus for 3 robots on a ramp in 2006.

This game is a lot harder, but with the penalty offset I think 40 is a reasonable score for week 1 quals at good events.
2x(2+3) auto = 12pts
6 balls in telop = 12pts
1 bot ramp = 10pts
2 fouls = 6pts
Total = 40
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