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Car Nack Predicts 12-1

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During the FRC season you will never see 36 points scored in the hybrid period.

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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

All 6 balls? That seems doable for most regionals, and will occur at least once at champs.

My Addendum: We will see at least 30 points in Hybrid Mode from an alliance who uses the Kinect sensor.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

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I'm sorry, but is it wrong to doubt Car Nack?
Go right ahead. Car Nack has an excellent prediction and strategy record, though.

However, there is one element I wish to ask the great Car Nack about for clarification:

Is this prediction for a single alliance, or for both alliances combined?

For if it is a combined alliance score, then I think Car Nack's crystal ball is cloudy. If it is for a single alliance, then I think Car Nack will only have a chance to be proven wrong at IRI--which is after the FRC season.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

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If it is for a single alliance, then I think Car Nack will only have a chance to be proven wrong at IRI--which is after the FRC season.
I would say there is still a chance you could see it at Championships,there were a few random alliances last year that were made up of 3 very good robots while it is pretty much a given that you will see super alliances at IRI I would guess that there will be atleast 3 or 4 random alliances per division in St Louis that would have 3 robots capable of scoring all the balls, of course from their things need to bounce right but I think it can happen (and hope it does)

I certainly wouldn't bet money on it but it could happen.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

It's going to be a calibration issue more than anything else, I think. Springy rims are not forgiving.

I think all balls will be scored in auto, maybe even several times, but not all 36 points.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

Can't a really good autonomous robot score four by itself, without being fed by other robots?
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During the FRC season you will never see 36 points scored in the hybrid period.

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Can't a really good autonomous robot score four by itself, without being fed by other robots?
Six balls, 15 seconds, one goal. Requires a bit too much coordination to work. Besides, you can take a simple one point penalty and shoot for the 2 point goal in autonomous.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

O great car nack, thank you for blessing us with your wisdom for another difficult to predict competition.

And yes I agree with you.
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Six balls, 15 seconds, one goal. Requires a bit too much coordination to work. Besides, you can take a simple one point penalty and shoot for the 2 point goal in autonomous.
True that. Good thing to think about when creating autonomous functionality!
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

This will be interesting, but I think that it will be done - maybe even in week 1.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

1 ball every 2 seconds. When timed perfectly, that leaves 3 seconds to spare.
If it does happen it will be during elims in STL and the alliance will be formed around it. So if it happens, it could happen 10 times.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

Challenge Accepted.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

I think the bigger problem to overcome is not getting three robots together that could score two balls in the top hoop in auton in 15 seconds. The bigger problem is getting six balls coordinated between three robots not to interfere with one another while being shot. These balls are of decent size and not to come in contact with one another if all six are shot within a short time span (<10 seconds) within the area of the key, will be unlikely I believe.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1

Some of the replies (thanks Chris!) got me thinking about some flip switches, dials, or potentiometers that is set by the drivers when the robot is set down on the field. This would allow them set a delay in shots after they communicate with their alliance for sequencing.

I think CarNack's prediction is dead on (for 36pts on one alliance) because the probability of 3 teams that are both capable of 2 auton balls in the high goal AND also capable of setting a delay on the fly being on the same alliance are incredibly low for quals and almost non-existent for elims.

The only wild card that may allow us to see this in elims is the Kinect combined with an alliance that has 1 delayed robot, 1 robot that is controlled with Kinect but mostly does its own thing, and 1 robot that can spit the balls out the bottom of the bot in a precise and controlled manner.
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