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Re: Best Robots by Age

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Wildstang isn't 92 they are 96
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Also note that the 1993 winner was E-Systems and Dallas Christian Schools...which I believe E-Systems was based out of Greenville, and thus qualifies as 148...so that would give them 2 CMP wins.

1993 I think would belong to current team 151, Sanders and Nashua HS is what they were back in the day. They have a regional victory and chairmans award...of course you could also factor in the team from Edison Tech which you could consider to be Tigerbolt team 73 which won the CMP event in 1996.

1994 would easily go to now defunct team Proctor and Gamble and Walnut Hills High School team 144...arguably the first true powerhouse in the history of FIRST. They won the CMP event in 1994 and have a CMP Chairmans under their belt.
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Re: Best Robots by Age

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http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles..._Team_List.pdf

Also note that the 1993 winner was E-Systems and Dallas Christian Schools...which I believe E-Systems was based out of Greenville, and thus qualifies as 148...so that would give them 2 CMP wins.
Based on records found at http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/index.php:


Wildstang competed in 1992 and didn't compete again until 1996.

E-Systems sponsored a team belonging to Dallas Christian Schools for four years (92-95), and the location of the school switched three times. It also sponsored a team belonging to Greenville Public Schools starting in 1994, known today as 148.
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Re: Best Robots by Age

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Based on records found at http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/index.php:


Wildstang competed in 1992 and didn't compete again until 1996.

E-Systems sponsored a team belonging to Dallas Christian Schools for four years (92-95), and the location of the school switched three times. It also sponsored a team belonging to Greenville Public Schools starting in 1994, known today as 148.
Agreed on that info...however I believe 148 is considered a legacy team and that would only be possible if they counted the Dallas Christian School team as 148. Maybe someone from the Wranglers could clear that up for us.

As for Wilstang...you can't just choose to ignore 1992 because they took a 4 year hiatus, can you? I think they were one of the finalists (Back then I believe there were 4...126, 190, 111, and I am unsure of who the fourth one was.)

If I were making the decision, I would call them a rookie in 1992...that would put the order...111, followed by 148, followed by 126, followed by 190
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Re: Best Robots by Age

3256 is quite good, but I think the title for 2010 is best given to 3138. Most notably, they made Einstein in their rookie year, #1 seed at the Championship last year, IRI finalists twice, and one regional win to their credit.

As for Stang... they don't have legacy status and they won Rookie All Star in 1996. Their website starts their history at 1996... So that is where I would be tempted to place them.
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Re: Best Robots by Age

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2000: 469 - 11 regional wins, 1 cmp, 2 divisions, 3 finalists, Rookie All Star - Championship
I know that 343 won the rookie all-star award at championships in 2000.
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As for Stang... they don't have legacy status and they won Rookie All Star in 1996. Their website starts their history at 1996... So that is where I would be tempted to place them.
Interesting point that they won Rookie All-Star. By that measure, any time a team leaves and comes back, they can be considered a rookie team? I say FIRST gave the award to the wrong team in 1996! Hell...Motorola and Wheeling High School stayed more intact than some teams that are considered to be Legacy teams! At least they have the same sponsor and school. I think only a Wildstang member can settle this dispute. I say FIRST is wrong and I am right! Hows that for ego!
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Re: Best Robots by Age

Rookie and legacy status are very gray areas in the early days of FIRST. Technically, 131 would be a legacy team if they had not taken 1993 off. The rookie status rules that you see today weren't started until a few years ago.

The closest ruling I have ever received as to what considered a team consistent in the old days is that team status flowed through the main mentor registering the team. As long as that was consistent, the team was consistent. This is the grey where 148 and 190 are still considered legacy even though they both changed schools.

Sidenote: In my years I've found it's just not worth it to argue with Mr Grady about team history in the early to mid 90s. I pick my battles, and I recommend you do the same
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E-Systems sponsored a team belonging to Dallas Christian Schools for four years (92-95), and the location of the school switched three times. It also sponsored a team belonging to Greenville Public Schools starting in 1994, known today as 148.
Those are the same team, now known as 148, the Robowranglers.

The team was originally sponsored by the E-Systems facility in Greenville, TX and the Dallas Christian School. In 1994, Greenville High School joined the team (and Greenville ISD became the second major sponsor), but later became the sole high school. The Greenville E-Systems facility was acquired by Raytheon in the late 1990s, who sponsored 148 until the Greenville facility was sold to L3 Communications in 2002, who continues to sponsor 148 to the present. Innovation First began sponsoring 148 in 2007.
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Re: Best Robots by Age

I'd consider 111 as a 92 team.

2010 should go to 3138 not only did they have a very successful season they excelled in 2011.
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A little 'Horn Blowing' for possible consideration in the '98 slot, maybe.
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At least for this year, I'm going to plug 3940 for 2012. So far for this year, they were a Regional Champion and Rookie All Star at Queen City and a Regional Finalist at BMR.
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At least for this year, I'm going to plug 3940 for 2012. So far for this year, they were a Regional Champion and Rookie All Star at Queen City and a Regional Finalist at BMR.
Any rookie team with Andy Baker gets my vote.

But seriously, they (along with 45 and 781) took an 8th seed alliance at one of the toughest regionals in the country and upset everyone. 3940 wins.
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1994 would easily go to now defunct team Proctor and Gamble and Walnut Hills High School team 144...arguably the first true powerhouse in the history of FIRST. They won the CMP event in 1994 and have a CMP Chairmans under their belt.
I don't disagree that 144 was the best team to start from 1994. However, they don't exist anymore. All the teams on the list so far are currently competing.
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2011.. My vote 3539
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Re: Best Robots by Age

I want to clarify some details. WildStang's true rookie year was 1996. In 1992 it was only one school from our School District that had founded a separate team that had been retired after that last year. The WildStang that everyone knows is actually the combination of Wheeling High School (WildCats) and Rolling Meadows High School (Mustangs) which was created with a larger funding and supporting system. Also WildStang did win Rookie All-Star at the Championship in 1996
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