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Re: Archimedes 2012!

A little late to consider process improvement, but a possible root cause to this is the typical lack of timely feedback as to the award of coop points.

Team has to wander back to the pits and look at the live score to see if something looks "odd". By then it's a little late to protest.
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

From what I understand (I was field side at the time), the referees were awarding 1 CP to a pair of robots that were on a tilted bridge even if one of the robots was touching the ground. The "mentor from another team" went to clarify what was going on and what counted as 1 CP and what didn't. I don't know if they're going back and fixing old matches.

The rules do not say that you can not ask the refs any questions after the matches are over, and if it's an issue of rule interpretation and the refs agree, the results can be changed. Co-op points have been revised at multiple regionals this year and there is no reason they couldn't be revised at the Championship
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

Congrats to our Wisconsin Regional champion alliance partners FRC Team 2826 Wave Robotics for capturing first place in one of the most loaded of divisions. Good luck to all teams and keep it going Wave.
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

I cannot believe that happened when I saw Simbotics not moving I thought they were done for. wow. Then at the last second wave fell off the bridge.
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

That finals match was so awesome!
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

They don't come much closer than that...

Looking forward to Einstein.

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Re: Archimedes 2012!

Wow, Archimedes was intense! Congratulations to teams 2056, 1114 and 4334. Good luck on Einstein!

I'd like to thank our alliance partners 195 and 2415. We had a real chance at knocking out the Canadian powerhouses! It was a pleasure to play with you, as well as everyone on Archimedes. We had a great time, and we plan to kick it up another notch next year.
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

I was blown away by the play in the finals. Although in the end, they did not suceed, Wave robotics played extremely well. They clearly earned their number one seed. Good luck to the Canadian alliance at Einstein!
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

The Blue Alliance has the Top 15 OPR statistics on their site, here they are:
2056 45.32
2826 37.75
2415 34.29
973 31.01
67 30.10
1114 29.65
1676 27.76
1504 26.29
1218 26.06
2996 26.01
359 24.71
2949 23.11
2046 22.87
2590 22.48

With 2415 being in the top 3, I was surprised they weren't chosen until the last round. I would've thought they would be chosen quickly.
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

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The Blue Alliance has the Top 15 OPR statistics on their site, here they are:
2056 45.32
2826 37.75
2415 34.29
973 31.01
67 30.10
1114 29.65
1676 27.76
1504 26.29
1218 26.06
2996 26.01
359 24.71
2949 23.11
2046 22.87
2590 22.48

With 2415 being in the top 3, I was surprised they weren't chosen until the last round. I would've thought they would be chosen quickly.
It seemed like most teams wanted a wide bot as their first picks with a few exceptions. 2415 was quickly snatched up in the second round by the number 7 alliance, as they already had 2 widebots, 195 and 2046, assuring their ability to triple. And as has been said before, OPR isn't all that reliable a statistic this year for rebound rumble. Our scouting data showed we (2046) were consistently putting more points on the board than 973 yet their OPR is more than 8 points higher.
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

I'd like to take a minute to thank all the teams and volunteers in Archimedes for making my first even as a volunteer field reset-er a memorable one. Having been able to watch every single match on Archimedes this year from the dome floor, 3 feet from the field was incredible. We knew Archi was going to be stacked, but I was absolutely amazed by the match play in quals and in eliminations. However, I was also amazed by the people playing in those matches.

Every so often, it seems that people have negative things to say about the "elite" teams that occupied so much of our division this year. Things like "that's a mentor built robot" or "that team only cares about winning", or even "that team is trying to sabotage us". I didn't see any of that on Archimedes. What DID I see?

I saw some of those slandered "elite" teams (67, 1114, 2826, 2056, and others) playing their hearts out all weekend. I saw the student drivers, graciously accepting wins AND defeats, congratulating their opponents when they lost, and being proud of themselves either way. I saw their teams in the stands, cheering them on regardless of their performance. I saw all three nail-biting Finals matches with last second balances involving the 4 teams above. I saw those 4 teams who have been slandered time and again this season for their "mentor built" robots walk out onto the field at the end of their 3 matches, shake each others' hands, smile, and compliment each other on a job well done. It was evident seeing their faces that the students and coaches representing their teams on the field were grateful just to be competing against each other.

Forget the FMS issues on Einstein. I saw the magic on Archimedes. I'm inspired.
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... Forget the FMS issues on Einstein. I saw the magic on Archimedes. I'm inspired.
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

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I saw the magic on Archimedes. I'm inspired.
Thank You, I really feel the same way. Whatever happened in the Einstein field couldn't take away the magic I saw in Archimedes. I would proudly admit that after our last game in the semi-finals, we were happy, we did our best and so did everyone else. It was an intense and memorable competition. I'm proud to be at FIRST. I'm inspired.
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Forget the FMS issues on Einstein. I saw the magic on Archimedes. I'm inspired.
Ditto!
I had a blast working field reset with you and the others! Such a great weekend. The finals on Archimedes were insanity, and I was so honored to be court-side watching it all play out. Great job by all of the teams.

I was also really excited to see an Archimedes team win Chairman's Award! Congrats again to 1114! The members of your team who were around the field throughout the weekend truly embraced the spirit of FIRST.
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Re: Archimedes 2012!

What an exciting and interesting weekend. Thursday started out pretty rough for us, with some missed coop balances and had a communication/controls system problem. Friday we were awesome in our 3 matches, finishing perfect 4pts for each one. Saturday we climbed back into the top 3, then ended up finishing in the top 8 overall. We were selected by an awesome team, 2826 and then selected 4143.

Our alliance struggled with the triple balance throughout the eliminations. I am not really sure why...Wave and HOT easily tripled with Adambots Friday evening. We also hit a couple of triples on the practice field with 4143 Saturday morning, although they were not quite as smooth. I wish we would have had more time to get everything correct before we got kicked off the practice field.

After failing to triple in either of our first 4 elimination matches, our alliance opted for ditching the triple and just trying to out score our opponents by 20pts and double balancing. This was effective in F1. It was also pretty effective in F2, until we hopped over the barrier and got stuck on a ball. We were not able to free ourselves and only managed a single balance. We also effectively denied 2826 any balls in the last 30s of the match. Our alliance was up about 12-15 when we got stuck. We knew that the Canadian alliance was slowly closing in the gap on our scoring, so we decided that we would attempt a triple balance if we were up by less than 15 in the last 45s of the match. During the match the scores were extremely close, I believe we were up by 2-3 when we called for the triple. Everyone was in position and balanced....then disaster struck! This is what I believe happened, since I haven't seen the video...both 67 and 2826 robots started to tip. We saved ours with the arm, 2826 tipped, then some how got back on the bridge and it balanced for a couple of seconds...then they tipped off again. This was incredibly heartbreaking for all of our alliance.

To 2826 - You guys are incredible. Just a scoring machine. It was great to get a chance to finally play with you guys. After getting knocked out by you last year, we definitely had all our scouts eyes on you. You did not dissappoint. You guys are a Powerhouse team!

Jake, thanks for letting me lead the alliance. You are a great coach. I wish I would have come up/stuck with a winning strategy. Eric and Tyler..it was awesome talking with you all weekend.

To 4143 - Thank you guys for being an awesome third partner. You did everything we asked you to do. Even had to put up with me yelling, probably incoherantly, back there. Your robot was capable and durable. You were a definite advantage to our alliance.

To Alliance #2 (1114, 2056, and 4334), what an incedible alliance. Congratulations! We knew we would have to go through you to get to Einstein...and we knew you would be triple balancing in every match. Just the threat of the potential you guys had in any of our matches, forced our hand away from our initial strategy and into the triple balance. For an alliance that was putting up an average of 88 ball points (us) after ditching the triple balance, your strategy and execution intimidated us into going back to trying it. Which looking at the data in hindsight was a terrible decision.

There are so many tiny little details that if changed could have effected the outcome. I am trying not to look back, but it keeps happening. The scores don't look that close or high but the matches were epic. We could not have lost to a better alliance, and IMO would not have lost to any other alliance in St. Louis.

It's not fair to anyone what happened on Einstein, but the class and professionalism you guys displayed was amazing. I don't think I would have been able to stay so calm and so composed during those events. Thank you for being model teams in the face of adversity.

To 1114 and 2056 - It is always fun/challenging/exciting to be in a division with you guys. Our teams have so much respect and admiration for each other it's incredible. Karthik and Tyler you guys are such good friends...just hanging out and talking with you made for a great weekend.

Now on to acceptance and recovery....
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