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Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

This is terrible! Are there any loopholes in the ordinance? Anything we can do? I'd hate to see such a team end its FRC career like this.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

Wow, that's terrible. Sadly it looks like there probably isn't a loophole, other than flat out eliminating the law/ordinance...
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

My jaw absolutely dropped. FIRST just wouldn't be the same without the legendary Team Hammond. 4 time World Champions just don't come along all that often.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

With a team that legendary, I'd tend to think that SOMEBODY would be willing to sponsor them. Hopefully they can find a new sponsor to keep the team going.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

I hope the fine folks on 71 find a way to make it happen. You don't win four world titles and not develop some roots in the community.

That said: Remember kids, if it can happen to Team Hammond, it can happen to you. Always have a continuity plan for situations like this.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

This is truly devastating for team 71 and it's students. Let's hope something happens in their favor soon! I hope their amazing legacy contributes to them getting a major sponsor. They are truly one of the greatest teams in FIRST.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

Another example of overzelous government officials intruding on the people. I hope the kids and team can find funding, if the ordinance cant be overturned.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

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Another example of overzelous government officials intruding on the people. I hope the kids and team can find funding, if the ordinance cant be overturned.
Is it particularly overzealous for a democratic government to respond to a perceived problem by enacting an ordinance? There's a fair debate to be had about the effectiveness of this ban at combatting theft by scavengers (which appears to be the impetus for the law), but as an imposition on "the people" in general, it's trivial at best. While the ban may have a significant negative impact on Beatty Mfg. in particular, it nevertheless strikes me as somewhat manipulative for the company to tie the fortunes of tne town's prized robotics program to this thoroughly mundane political dispute. If they think that advances the objectives of the company (particularly in the short term, if they don't have much cash on hand) then it's their prerogative to do so. I just hope they're prepared to deal with the longer-term social ramifications of their gamesmanship.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

Although I can't pretend to know all the details in play here, it does seem a little odd that this is is being presented as an "all or nothing" scenario. Surely a company that has such a long history with FRC, and such a close relationship with their team, can find a way to continue to provide some support, even if cuts have to be made. Surely in a turbulent economy, similar challenges have been faced and overcome before.

No matter what happens though, I hope team Hammond finds a way to continue providing the inspiring dominance to FRC as only they can.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

Forget for a moment the world championships. Forget the amazing robots. Imagine that it boils down to just another FRC team shutting down. That... is unacceptable in any circle.

Bring back in the years and years of legacy, the awards, the robots, the championships. And FRC could be losing one of the greatest teams of all time. A team that, over 15 years, has inspired at least hundreds of students on the team with the message of FIRST, and, with their legacy of domination and outstanding performances, have inspired students, mentors and teams as a whole through out the FIRST world. Not just the City of Hammond. Now just the State of Indiana. Not just the United States of America. Not just North America. 71 has inspired teams worldwide with their standard of excellence. And to lose that. To cut that legacy off. It would be tragedy.

If there is any way the FIRST community can help, I hope it is made known sooner rather than later. I'd put in the effort if it meant one of the most inspiring teams in FIRST could keep on inspiring.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

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Forget for a moment the world championships. Forget the amazing robots. Imagine that it boils down to just another FRC team shutting down. That... is unacceptable in any circle.

Bring back in the years and years of legacy, the awards, the robots, the championships. And FRC could be losing one of the greatest teams of all time. A team that, over 15 years, has inspired at least hundreds of students on the team with the message of FIRST, and, with their legacy of domination and outstanding performances, have inspired students, mentors and teams as a whole through out the FIRST world. Not just the City of Hammond. Now just the State of Indiana. Not just the United States of America. Not just North America. 71 has inspired teams worldwide with their standard of excellence. And to lose that. To cut that legacy off. It would be tragedy.

If there is any way the FIRST community can help, I hope it is made known sooner rather than later. I'd put in the effort if it meant one of the most inspiring teams in FIRST could keep on inspiring.
Not making a slight to any other team, but if there ever was a team that FIRST and their leading bodies would ever need to jump in for and try to keep alive, I think most would say 71 has earned that right.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

Keep fighting Hammond. We all hope Team 71 will find a way to get by. I don't think tragedy can describe what would happen if Hammond lost its team.
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Re: Local government ordinance hampers Beatty finances.

Having known the many of the mentors, students, and parents of 71 for years I can say that both myself and my family were heartbroken at the thought of them dissolving.

But then I remembered, they aren't a team that will just sit by and be railroaded by something like this, and we aren't a community that will let that happen to any team, four world Championships or not. I have full faith that Team 71 will persevere and come back next year with a robot built of PVC that is a force to be reckoned with. You can take part of a team's funding away, but you cannot take away the will of a community to better their youth, or a team's drive to win.

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Is it particularly overzealous for a democratic government to respond to a perceived problem by enacting an ordinance? There's a fair debate to be had about the effectiveness of this ban at combatting theft by scavengers (which appears to be the impetus for the law), but as an imposition on "the people" in general, it's trivial at best.
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On the surface it would certainly look this way. However, in the context of the surrounding area, this ordinance serves nothing but to suppress local business people. Hammond is completely surrounded by other urban areas, notably Chicago, Calumet City, Gary and Munster. So much so that it helps form a continuous urban industrial corridor bordered on Lake Michigan that extends from the Wisconsin border to the Indiana Dunes National Seashore. It has two Interstate Highway systems running through the city and it's western boundary forms the border with Illinois. This ordinance will do nothing to stop the scavengers. It will merely close down businesses, jobs and tax revenue. Certainly this is a complex issue for Hammond and other urban centers, however, shutting down recycling centers is not, in my opinion, a viable response to the problem.
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