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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

personally, i would rather be famous for my writing. i write in a county paper now, but i hope to become widely known later in life. if i ever become famous with the general public, i will no doubt use that to promote FIRST and it's ideals. i mean, just imagine if somebody like Vin Diesel encouraged all the girls to get into robotics. that would have a big effect. people follow those who are famous, and it is a responsibility of fame to be a good person to follow. that's why we are all so lucky to have dean and dave and all those other people as role models, because they are really people to follow.
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

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Fame is something inevitable as you get more and more involved with this program, whether you like it or not. I've experienced some of it in the past, people like JVN, Andy Baker, Dave Lavery are among many who got the community's full attention right now.

Just want to know what you think... Do you want to be famous in FIRST? Why or why not? Do you think there are any prices you have you pay for being famous? Maybe some day you will wish to go to a competition without being recognized and just walk around the pit area quietly looking at robots?

All I know is there's no turning back after you've turned famous, nothing short of quitting this wonderful community can get rid of all the attention ;-).

Maybe fame isn't the best thing you can get from this program ;-).

Your thoughts?
I dont think its Fame, I think its more along the lines of the Recognition,
in today's society the bad is always emphisized, in the news reports on TV, on the front page of every paper, but with FIRST, individuals are Recognized for their oustanding efforts in somthing that is Good, i think that its not wrong to hold Dave Lavery or Andy Baker or even That FIRST legend himself, Tom Schindler at a higher level than anyone else, They are Doing Good, they are the ones you find in the little box, on the last page of almost every newspaper.

Just as long as people dont go obsessing over me everything will be okay
and if i ever see I am Mike Schroeder written on peoples backpacks i will probobly freak out and go hide under a table and cry
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

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I dont think its Fame, I think its more along the lines of the Recognition,
in today's society the bad is always emphisized, in the news reports on TV, on the front page of every paper, but with FIRST, individuals are Recognized for their oustanding efforts in somthing that is Good, i think that its not wrong to hold Dave Lavery or Andy Baker or even That FIRST legend himself, Tom Schindler at a higher level than anyone else, They are Doing Good, they are the ones you find in the little box, on the last page of almost every newspaper.

Just as long as people dont go obsessing over me everything will be okay
and if i ever see I am Mike Schroeder written on peoples backpacks i will probobly freak out and go hide under a table and cry
Ok I'll tell the whole team to write "I am Mike Schroeder" on their bagpacks
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

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Just want to know what you think... Do you want to be famous in FIRST? Why or why not? Do you think there are any prices you have you pay for being famous? Maybe some day you will wish to go to a competition without being recognized and just walk around the pit area quietly looking at robots?
Honestly, I wouldn't want to be famous in FIRST. I would like to be known by people, but not famous per se. Reason being it is kind of like being a celebrity. No privacy, and you're never left alone. I don't think I would be able to stand that.
You have many prices you need to pay. Some of which are:
a) no more privacy
b) no time to yourself
c) can't keep anything to yourself; someone always seems to know
d) you're always ambushed.
Fame isn't necessarily the most blissful thing. I mean, yes you finally get the attention you've wanted, but it really does become the top spot on your list of regrets.
So, as I said, I would rather be known by a few people, like close friends in FIRST, than become a big celebrity in FIRST.
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

Just to toss my $0.02 in, one of the things I happen to like about the Chief Delphi community is that at every competition I go to, someone recognises me and comes over to say hi (must be the long, green hair ). I meet someone new, they meet someone new, and it's win/win. Also, if I find someone I recognise, I'll go over and introduce myself. It's one of, IMO, the greatest aspects of FIRST. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who meets new people in this manner.
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

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Fame is something inevitable as you get more and more involved with this program, whether you like it or not. I've experienced some of it in the past, people like JVN, Andy Baker, Dave Lavery are among many who got the community's full attention right now.

Just want to know what you think... Do you want to be famous in FIRST? Why or why not? Do you think there are any prices you have you pay for being famous? Maybe some day you will wish to go to a competition without being recognized and just walk around the pit area quietly looking at robots?

All I know is there's no turning back after you've turned famous, nothing short of quitting this wonderful community can get rid of all the attention ;-).

Maybe fame isn't the best thing you can get from this program ;-).

Your thoughts?
Would you like to be famous? Why not

Price you have to pay for it? Yes, definately, you have to actually do something and make a difference

Fame isnt the best thing you can get from this program? Yes, true.. there's a LOT more you can get from this program

Wheather you like it or not, if you have made a difference in the FIRST community, you will end up being famous, and yes, there is no turning back then.

And being famous doesnt always mean that your privacy has been robbed. If it has, it also means you have people respecting you and helping you wherever you go.

Personally, I have no aims to become famous. I just like this world and want to do the right things.
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

i honestly think that being famous in FIRST is honestly pointless....i mean it is nice to get reconized for the time you have put in but in all honesty that is not the case. When looking at people like Dave, Andy, Dean, etc. i can automaticly in my head know exactly what they contributed on a national level for FIRST but other "stars" of chiefdelphi i couldn't tell you for the life of me what they did for first except post alot. FIRST fame in it's present form is just a popularity contest as to who has been around for the longest and who knows the most people.
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

Fame is a funny thing, you can do nothing and get it, and do everything and get none. For me, it's not fame, but infamy that follows me.
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

I think the word 'fame' is being misunderstood...

-when one posts a lot on ChiefDelphi and is therefore well known, it's not necessarily fame because people don't have much to say about you
-when one gains a lot of respect through what they post on ChiefDelphi, and they post enough to be remembered by fellow forum members... one is a little closer to fame
-one is famous when they are known for being a good ROLE MODEL by the people who post, and do not post on ChiefDelphi

If one does gain 'fame' through FIRST, it should be used as a networking tool in hopes to leap-frog one's career path. Remember, part of the point of FIRST is to create strong leaders & thinkers who could positively influence the world's technological market.
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

Errr yeah..... My friend Noah said he talked to someone that knew me from Chiefdelphi. That's just creepy.
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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

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-one is famous when they are known for being a good ROLE MODEL by the people who post, and do not post on ChiefDelphi
Not to nit-pick, but wouldn't it be "and do not necessarily post on CD?" I mean, there are some darn good role models out here and all who definitely are famous, yet post frequently. Then there's those who are famous and don't post on CD.

Although couldn't it be argued that those who would otherwise be famous and post on CD are yielding a better benefit for the FIRST community at large? I mean, if this is one of the larger FIRST hubs online, it seems that their resources would be spent well here. (I won't say spent better here, since there is a possibility that folks could better spend their resources elsewhere. I guess that depends on the person.)

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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

Its funny how this thread grow so fast in just a few days. This board is much different than the off-season CD forum I've seen in the past few years, for better or worse. Anyway...

I am not really good with using words. When I said fame, I think what I want to mean is lots of people's recognition of you even though they don't really know who you are. That's one of the interesting things I experienced from FIRST. I guess it was kind of nice when people saw my red hair and say "hey you are that guy that posted on that forum..." or "hey, I like your post".

It was nice, but I realized that's not something I want in my life. I found strong friendship with few people much more enjoyable than being known by a lot of people but never really know any of them. Most conversations with people who "know of you" are a lot of obvious things that people talk about all the time, which is nice to know other people's opinion, but doesn't usually get deeper than that.

I used to go around to all the pits in the SVR regional asking teams about their robot, but all together it wasn't as good as chatting with a few people about their team. That's when I decided I would draw back from posting so much in the CD forum, and get to know people in person instead. I think that decision is starting to do some good. IRI and Atlanta was much more interesting than the competitions in the past.

So, think about it. Not everyone share the same opinion about how they want to experience this program we call FIRST. My advice is, don't post for the sake of posting. Go for those meaningful conversations that trigger your thoughts into all kinds of directions that even you can't predict its direction. Experience FIRST from deep within rather than from the surface.

Tom ask why I want to know. The truth is, I don't really know. Perhaps I just want to throw something out in the open and see where the discussion lead to. Now-a-days, I don't have many issues I care particularly about. I figure the smart people will take care of it. I think I enjoy the flow of discussion much more than what's really being said. I guess its kind of like learning a math formula to solve a problem, you do homework just to practice the problem, but you don't particularly have an opinion about how the answer look like.

Maybe this is a right way to use the forum, maybe it isn't. I don't really know. But I think I do enjoy arguing with people whether it is or isn't, no matter what the result of that argument is.
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Fame? You think its bad being famous...

Between Andy B. and Andy G. being Andy A. has some unspoken expectations put on it.

Seriously folks, living up to the Andy lastinitialhere. name thing is a little rough at times. I find my self lying awake at night trying to think of ways to make the Andy's who have come before me proud.

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Re: F stand for Fame in FIRST?

Maybe I"m just weird...but I know I would be kinda creeped out if I was one of the "famous" FIRST people. Why? Because no one is any different than anyone else in my eyes. Granted, some people stand out more, but that is because the other people might not have gotten a chance yet to shine. I mean, I rather just have a few close friendships with people from other team than have people just talk to me about stuff they know I've done. When you become "famous", some people view you as different and better; honestly, they should be treated as you would treat anyone else.
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