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I would really like to know how your team decided to do this. Was it by vote?
And what did everyone learn?
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Re: pic: We left the boys at home

Thats cool that you have enough girls on the team to do something like that. If we did that, we wouldn't have enough for drivers and human players.

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Re: pic: We left the boys at home

I don't mean to muck up the forum... But to me, this seems kind of sexist...

Telling boys that they can't compete is just as bad as telling girls that they can't compete. To me, this just simply seems wrong.

Unless of course your team was from an all-girls school, in which case, only students from your school have an opportunity to participate. This would make sense to me.

Not meaning to start a war,
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The guys graciously let the girls go to the San Diego Regionals alone giving the girls the chance to do all the aspects of a regional event. After the event the girls went to Mission Beach. Most of them have never seen the ocean. Needless to say, they learned a lot while iproving the bot for the co-ed team for when they compete next in Las Vegas.
The title is a joke. The boys stayed home by their own will and the girls went alone.

No need to get upset.

If you click on the picture above, it brings you to where the picture is on CD media. Under the picture there you can see what was typed above. That blurb should probably be posted with the picture in threads of forums in the future.
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Thanks. I would still like to know how they all decided that together as team.
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I don't mean to muck up the forum... But to me, this seems kind of sexist...

Telling boys that they can't compete is just as bad as telling girls that they can't compete. To me, this just simply seems wrong.

Unless of course your team was from an all-girls school, in which case, only students from your school have an opportunity to participate. This would make sense to me.

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While it may seem sexist I think it i a very good thing for the team to do. It gives the girls a chance to try new things and do jobs that are not what they may be used to. She also said that the boys and girls will be there to compete at the other events so its not like they arn't getting a turn.
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Re: pic: We left the boys at home

I guess the word, generosity, comes to my mind. Or adventure.
'Let's try this' kind of thing. Everyone always wants to travel, to go to the regional or competition. So this, to me, is like thinking outside of the box and then going with it. If that makes sense..
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The title is a joke. The boys stayed home by their own will and the girls went alone.

No need to get upset.

If you click on the picture above, it brings you to where the picture is on CD media. Under the picture there you can see what was typed above. That blurb should probably be posted with the picture in threads of forums in the future.
I read this before I posted, but I still, again, personally, disagree. If every boy on the team had said that they were OK not going except for 1, would they have let him go? (I don't know the answer to this question. Again, I am jumping in in the middle, but it seems odd that ALL of the boys on a team would give up their spot. But that's just me and my opinion. I am sure that others disagree.

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While it may seem sexist I think it i a very good thing for the team to do. It gives the girls a chance to try new things and do jobs that are not what they may be used to. She also said that the boys and girls will be there to compete at the other events so its not like they arn't getting a turn.
This is assuming that it would not be *allowed* for girls to do certain jobs on the team. I know that I would be quite angry if I couldn't go to 1/3 events, simply to let someone else have a shot at MY job, just because they are of a different gender.

I hate to be a nuisance, but I really don't like discrimination, as I have been a victim of it in the past, on several accounts.

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I know that I would be quite angry if I couldn't go to 1/3 events, simply to let someone else have a shot at MY job, just because they are of a different gender.
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I would gladly give up my job for someone else if they were enthusiastic about doing it. Its not "MY" job its the teams job, everyone is entitled to try it if its what they desire. I don't think it is the spirit of first to limit someone from doing something they want just because you think it belongs to you.
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I would gladly give up my job for someone else if they were enthusiastic about doing it. Its not "MY" job its the teams job, everyone is entitled to try it if its what they desire. I don't think it is the spirit of first to limit someone from doing something they want just because you think it belongs to you.
I suppose so, but, say, for instance, Myself and another student (a male) programmed the robot. Lets say that no girls on my team showed interest in programming before, but now at the competition, a girl takes my seat on the plane. If she isn't qualified to program (or even knows how), what happens if the program needs to be modified? I personally belive that a seat should be won on merrit, not entitlement.

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i think that is a really cool idea, to have just the girls go somewhere. unfortunately, my team has four girls, but maybe sometime in the future we will have enough.
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I suppose so, but, say, for instance, Myself and another student (a male) programmed the robot. Lets say that no girls on my team showed interest in programming before, but now at the competition, a girl takes my seat on the plane. If she isn't qualified to program (or even knows how), what happens if the program needs to be modified? I personally belive that a seat should be won on merrit, not entitlement.

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The team probably chose to do this in advance.In the time period between the decision and the trip is when it is your job to show the person or people interesed in your job how and what to do. FIRST is about teaching, learning and passing on knowledge. I think this i a great way to do it.
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FIRST is like pizza--you and I might prefer different toppings, but there's no wrong way to do it.

If 842 feels that they can get their $4,000 worth by fielding an all-girls team for one of their regionals, I'm more than willing to let them. Perhaps there's some benefit to going this route that we're all missing.
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FIRST is like pizza--you and I might prefer different toppings, but there's no wrong way to do it.

If 842 feels that they can get their $4,000 worth by fielding an all-girls team for one of their regionals, I'm more than willing to let them. Perhaps there's some benefit to going this route that we're all missing.
I know that some schools are going that route. My old high school now has an all girls team(1929) in addition to their Co-ed team (555) which also has girls on it. Both teams show support for each other. I believe this year the Sciborgs(1155) from NY also did the same thing and support their all girl team the FeMaidens(2265).
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