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Re: hybrid rules are not quite stable..

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While I may agree (we had video of both matches), it's not up to us to determine how FIRST runs their competitions.
This is where you and I differ, I feel that we SHOULD be the ones to determine how FIRST runs the competitions. FIRST is not some guys in NH, FIRST is US, the teams that compete.
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Re: hybrid rules are not quite stable..

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While I may agree (we had video of both matches), it's not up to us to determine how FIRST runs their competitions.
This is where you and I differ, I feel that we SHOULD be the ones to determine how FIRST runs the competitions. FIRST is not some guys in NH, FIRST is US, the teams that compete.
Actually I think you guys differ in many many Many MANY more ways than that ...


my humblest apologies to CD for the OT remark ...
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Re: hybrid rules are not quite stable..

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To my knowledge, the real-time scoring input is the only method referees have for recording the score during the match. Only for counting laps during teleoperated mode is it the redundant system. In such a case, it's absurd to think that they're meant to input the score on those devices, mentally recall every scoring action, and watch and call penalties correctly -- and all simultaneously.
I filled in as the "manual scorekeeper" (pen & paper records of final scores) for about 10-15 matches at VCU. During that span, scores were adjusted from the real time scores in at least 3 matches. Hybrid was the most common adjustment, as refs knew they had either missed pressing the button or pressed it one too many times, etc.
Also note that there are nine refs this year, one on each corner, two on each finish line (one for balls, one for bots) and one head ref. They do talk to each other and pick up each other's mistakes more than most people think they do.
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Re: hybrid rules are not quite stable..

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If the scoring was done WRONG and there is irrefutable evidence to prove it (ie. a team member videotaped the match), ...
Would you use the same video to prove that your opponent won?

Also, please see the thread on instant replay from a few years ago. I believe this very situation was brought up.

If the hybrid mode (or any other part of the game) is being scored incorrectly, then they need to find out why and fix it. That is all I have to say on this.
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Would you use the same video to prove that your opponent won?
That depends on a few things A) if I noticed they scored the opposing alliance incorrectly (unlikely as I'd be watching my own score) B) The opposing alliance noticed, and asked if we'd taken video, I would let them view, and if they were correct, absolutely.
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I was merely trying to say that the official recorded score appears to be correct, including the knockdown of the red alliance's trackball during hybrid by 525.

I was not trying to say that this is something to be relied on, or that it happens often.
Also, this could be a case of the announcer saying one thing and the score being entirely different. Often, an announcer may say something that the head ref may disagree with.

Announcers don't keep the score. They are fairly outgoing people, make witty remarks, and wear goofy shirts. We can't take them too seriously.

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Re: hybrid rules are not quite stable..

There seems to be a problem. What i would like to know is how teams are handling this? Do the robocoach or driver coach keep track of your score. do you have someone in stands? does he signal you if score is right? aren't only student members of drive team allowed to talk to head ref? would like to know if we need to set up sub group out of scouting team. thanks.
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Re: hybrid rules are not quite stable..

In 2006 Division Galileo our team was breezing through qualification matches #1 seed, then one match came and if you watched the match it was quite obvious our alliance put in more balls than the other alliance, we questioned the ref and the cool part is the other alliance that "won" also questioned it. We found out that the ref's had counted all of the 3 point shots as 1 point shots and 1 pointers as 3 pointers. we didn't have anybody dumping...

First replayed that match at the end of qualifiers on saturday, we won and were undefeated #1 seed. The part about this i like is the fact the ref did something about it and the mistake was corrected in a fashion.
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Re: hybrid rules are not quite stable..

there was a match that we were not counted in the autonomous at all, while are other alliance partners were counted. again this was probably a human error by not backing up the computer system correctly. we contested the match but it was finalized before we could do any thing.
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