OCCRA
Go to Post Remember success in FIRST isn't measured by the trophies. It's measured by the inspiration. - camtunkpa [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > Robot Showcase
CD-Events   CD-Media   CD-Spy   FRC-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 11:09 AM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

Hey all,

Team 2980 is once again going to post everything we come up with. We receive a ton of help from the FIRST and Chief Delphi community and want to give back as much as possible.

Our team goes uses the first week for prototyping and design. At the end of the first week we share our designs with the greater community and have them select the design that we will finalize and build. This years plan is to build a robot capable of dumping into the second row, and shooting from the safe zone at the top of the key. From there we hope to shoot for the top and middle row.



We'll try to post some more detailed shots as we finalize the design today and Monday.

Key things and ideas:

We want to use a belt driven ball harvester to convey balls from the floor to the hopper/dump bucket.

We designed the drive train with a dropped mecanum set up using 4 powered traction wheels 2 inches off the ground that lift the robot up so that the mecanum wheels are slightly protected for driving over the bump.

We want to have a pole slapping mechanism for pushing down the Bridge for the end game.

Issues:

The magical dumping ball hopper...

So making a box that can dump seams easy...trap door in the bottom to let balls in but not out, open top for pouring balls out... use a piston to lift the and tilt the box to just over 90 degrees pouring the balls out into the hoop...Uses gravety...easy peasy.

cannon hopper...Balls come up through the bottom trap door, then a piston pushes them forward in loading them into the cannon...Piston retracts letting another ball light up to be fired...also seams relatively simple...

Now we need to combine those two things into one thing...

Aiming...

The community really wants us to use either a camera/ultra sonic detector combo, or mount the kinect on our robot.

Using the ultra sonic sensor mounted on the cannon... The sensor measures the distance to the wall and regulates the speed of the spinning wheels in order to get the ball to go the right distance based on the desired target height...

The camera would be used to detect the reflective square above the hoop, or for our driver to use to line up shots.

Thinking of using a piece of plastic mounted in front of the camera to calculate the range to the target.

Ok...so those are at least some of our ideas...

Team 2980
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 03:31 PM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

We're having a sad day and could use some advice...

We were planning on using the fisher price motors with the planetary gear box mounted to them in order to power our ball cannon...

Given that they are out of stock, and We're not holding our breath on them being back in stock any time soon...We are going to need another plan.

This is something we have very little experience with. Any ideas?
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 04:35 PM
Cynette Cynette is offline
Worry is a poor use of Imagination
AKA: Cynette Cavaliere
FRC #1511 (Rolling Thunder)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Penfield,NY
Posts: 1,497
Cynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond reputeCynette has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via ICQ to Cynette Send a message via AIM to Cynette
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

Which Fisher Price Motor were you hoping to use? And how many?
__________________
Cynette
The best angle from which to approach any problem is the TRYangle
--Chinese Fortune Cookie
Rolling Thunder, Team 1511: The Thunder just keeps getting louder!
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 08:20 PM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

its not the motor...9013...its the planetary gear box that seams to be the problem. We have two of the 9013s...just no planetary gear boxes.

Sort of hoping they will either come back in stock or someone will have two that they are not using.

I guess...lesson learned...we'll buy a ton of stuff in the off season just in case for next year.

We may go with the AM gearhead motors...

So we are doing some math to try and figure this one out...

We want the ball moving at up to 27 fps when it leaves our shooter...

So...we figure if 50 percent of the wheel speed goes into the ball as it passes through the shooter...

so rotating 8 inch diameter wheels 3 times a second? so basically we would have to have the wheel spin 4 times as fast as the motors?

my brain hurts at this point...
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 08:48 PM
Jonathan Norris Jonathan Norris is offline
Jno
FRC #0610 (Crescent Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Toronto ON
Posts: 1,051
Jonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond reputeJonathan Norris has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to Jonathan Norris
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

Quote:
Originally Posted by eedoga View Post
its not the motor...9013...its the planetary gear box that seams to be the problem. We have two of the 9013s...just no planetary gear boxes.

Sort of hoping they will either come back in stock or someone will have two that they are not using.

I guess...lesson learned...we'll buy a ton of stuff in the off season just in case for next year.

We may go with the AM gearhead motors...

So we are doing some math to try and figure this one out...

We want the ball moving at up to 27 fps when it leaves our shooter...

So...we figure if 50 percent of the wheel speed goes into the ball as it passes through the shooter...

so rotating 8 inch diameter wheels 3 times a second? so basically we would have to have the wheel spin 4 times as fast as the motors?

my brain hurts at this point...
Here is another option, take the first stage (or two, depending on what ratio you want) of plastic gears out of the big plastic FP Gearbox, and you can build a very simply gearbox from those gears. A couple shafts, some bearings, 1/8" Aluminum plates, a little milling and BOOM! FP Gearbox.
__________________
2013 World Champions (1241, 1477, 610)
Co-Founder of Taplytics.com
Crescent Robotics Team 610 Mentor
K-Botics Team 2809 Founding Mentor ('09-'11)
Queen's University Mechanical Engineering, Applied Science '11

Crescent Robotics Team 610 Alumni
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 08:50 PM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

Quote:
BOOM! FP Gearbox.
Yeah...that is another option we are looking at. We'll post the solution once we come up with it...
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 08:57 PM
IndySam's Avatar
IndySam IndySam is offline
Registered User
FRC #0829 (Digital Goats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Indy
Posts: 3,083
IndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

Don't worry the planetaries will be back in stock. You could also use a Cim-sim.
__________________
"Champions are champions not because they do anything extraordinary but because they do the ordinary things better than anyone else." óChuck Knoll


2012 Boilermaker Engineering Excellence Award
2010 Boilermaker Rockwell Innovation in Control Award.
2009 Buckeye J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2009 Boilermaker J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2008 Boilermaker J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2007 St Louis Regional Winners
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 08:59 PM
IndySam's Avatar
IndySam IndySam is offline
Registered User
FRC #0829 (Digital Goats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Indy
Posts: 3,083
IndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

Quote:
Originally Posted by eedoga View Post
So making a box that can dump seams easy...trap door in the bottom to let balls in but not out, open top for pouring balls out... use a piston to lift the and tilt the box to just over 90 degrees pouring the balls out into the hoop...Uses gravety...easy peasy.
Relying on gravity with balls like these can be a dicey thing. If they are anything like poofballs they will get stuck at the worst times.
__________________
"Champions are champions not because they do anything extraordinary but because they do the ordinary things better than anyone else." óChuck Knoll


2012 Boilermaker Engineering Excellence Award
2010 Boilermaker Rockwell Innovation in Control Award.
2009 Buckeye J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2009 Boilermaker J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2008 Boilermaker J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2007 St Louis Regional Winners
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-14-2012, 09:11 PM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot







Ok, so we sort of moved backwards today...The magic bucket hopper is starting to take shape, but it keeps presenting us with new challenges...We somehow didn't notice that the piston stuck through the middle of the ball harvester...oh reality...why do you mock us?

We are hoping to mock up at least one drive train on Monday along with our field elements (we like to build 2 copies of our robot.)

One hope is that if we can get this thing modeled in CAD, then hopefully the actually building of it will be faster...

Here is to the end of week one...
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-15-2012, 01:55 AM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot



So we seam to have solved a few of the "magic box" problems... We will probably try to make it out of cardboard during Monday's long meeting.

Thanks for all of the help today. We'll post the inventor files in the next few days.
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-15-2012, 03:36 AM
s_forbes's Avatar
s_forbes s_forbes is offline
<-- Safety first!
FRC #0842 (Falcon Robotics)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 888
s_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

Cool thread, I'll be following your build progress!

I'm curious, what kind of shop and manufacturing capabilities do you have available? Using the first stage out of the plastic FP gearbox in the kit of parts is an easy workaround for not being able to buy AM planetaries if you have the ability to manufacture transmissions. Here's an example.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IndySam View Post
Relying on gravity with balls like these can be a dicey thing. If they are anything like poofballs they will get stuck at the worst times.
I would echo this statement... you can run into a lot of problems if you rely on gravity/momentum to move a game piece. We have a rule for our design team this year: the ball must be compressed against a roller/belt at all times when it is in the robot. That's not to say your design won't work, but you want to make sure you test it enough to ensure it is reliable and won't get jammed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eedoga View Post
We will probably try to make it out of cardboard during Monday's long meeting.
Highly recommended! Try to get a quick prototype set up for some of the ideas you're not certain about to see if they'll work.
__________________
- Steven Forbes

2006-2010: NERDS..........1726
2010: Turbulence............3194
2011-?: Falcon Robotics...842

Check out "Babs" the underwater robot --- and some neat robot videos
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-15-2012, 04:01 AM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

our shop is a work in progress...We have some tools...band saw and drill press...a mill/lathe combo and some hand tools.

A guy donated a Scratch buillt CNC but it is pretty small and we haven't cut any shapes with it yet. He's currently deployed and never got it cutting before donating it.

we have another teacher who was a professional welder in a previous life. he helps with any welding needs which is amazingly awesome.

As for the gear boxes, we just ordered 2 CIM-u-lator gear boxes...We probably should have ordered four, but this one was of pocket for our lead mentor. we would have had to wait for a PO to process and that can take weeks and he is already getting us all the lumber to make our field elements...

now that we found those and have our magic box set up, we should be back on track on monday.

Again, thanks for all of the help today.

Oh, and "CIRE" a guy from wisconsin I believe told us our wheels should be able to spin at about 2000 rpm, so 33 times a second or so to get the distance we need.

Hopefully the fisher price motors we have will hold up.
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-17-2012, 01:08 AM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

Couple of things. Today was pretty productive. We got the backboard framed up and the backboards cut out...We even got 1 hoop in the mail. Probably should have gotten more.

We got the bridge/bump made. Our bridge isn't calibrated. It tips way too easily. we'll have to figure it all out before too long.

One of the Team dads has access to some pretty cool metal working tools. He is going to stamp out our drop brackets with some scrap material at his work. This means we should be able to have a running drivetrain by Saturday.

The frame material gets here this week also. Looking at a busy week.

Finally, we are finalizing our hopper/dumper box. We will need some sort of agitator. Not sure how we'll work that out. Some were thinking we could add an offset weight to a banebots motor. Hopefully that won't shake the box to pieces.looks like if things work out wiht the lid we can poor balls into the middle hoop for a pretty reliable 2 points per ball. Perhaps we can even score during they hybrid period.
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-17-2012, 09:16 PM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot





So were really starting to finalize our drawings. We are hoping to put in our last order to Andy Mark tomorrow. ( as if)

In anycase, we are still hoping to go with a combo dumper/shooter...
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-19-2012, 07:21 PM
eedoga's Avatar
eedoga eedoga is offline
Registered User
FRC #2980
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oak Harbot
Posts: 156
eedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud ofeedoga has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Team 2980's 2012 Open Source Robot

So I had an idea that we'll need to test in terms of agitators...the KOP fans with 2 or 3 of the blades cut off...

This week has been both good and bad. We haven't been able to work because of snow days, but really we would have been waiting anyway. We need to get a purchase order in to Andy Mark, and due to snow haven't been able to do any ordering. Now our shipping costs will go way up, but that is the price you pay.

The designs are almost completely finalized. We really have some tips and tails stuff with the drawing, but all of the kinematics have been worked out for everything except for the flopper for pushing down the bridge.

now of course we worry...is it wide enough? Is it strong enough? Is it accurate enough? Will it really be able to drive over the bridge?

Oh...the stress!
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:32 AM.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi