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The timer isn't static like the numbers... how does that confuse people?

I know that if I lost score during a match, I would probably go insane. Lots of pressure on the field, and I consider the scoreboard to be my other pair of eyes. How is losing score not considered an FMS fault requiring a match reset?

Also, why not indicate score underneath the timer box on the field in the future? You can't lose that.


Im the operator from 3137, and I was watching the time throughout the day, and the timer worked fine, then during the 2nd match of the finals, the timer across from me by the baskets said 15 seconds for the entire match. Then with about 70 seconds left, the score and time just dissapeared from the big screen.
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Re: Removing time and score from big screen during elimination matches

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...the timer across from me by the baskets said 15 seconds for the entire match.
I would consider the failure of the clock to display the correct time a field fault and sufficient reason to sound the foghorn.
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Re: Removing time and score from big screen during elimination matches

Ive watched some videos, i see that the score and time were on the big screen untill 45 seconds before the end of the game, still too early to take it down, my mistake on that part, but there was still no timer change on the timer across from me, or, from what i could tell from a video that a team member took, any change on the timer on my side.
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Re: Removing time and score from big screen during elimination matches

Thank you for the congratulatory gesture, you and your alliance were a very challenging opponent to play with. With that being said, this is a very alarming action at a regional, and first should look into it. Whether it would have changed the course of the match or not is debatable, it was still a fine performance from the the opposite alliance. As I have said before, team 329, 353, and 3137 were fantastic opponents at SBPLI.
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Re: Removing time and score from big screen during elimination matches

There was a qualification match on Newton where the score display went down while we were in it. We requested a replay from the head ref, and were told that

"the display is not part of the arena and thus a failure of the screen does not constitute an arena fault"
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Re: Removing time and score from big screen during elimination matches

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There was a qualification match on Newton where the score display went down while we were in it. We requested a replay from the head ref, and were told that

"the display is not part of the arena and thus a failure of the screen does not constitute an arena fault"
I saw this happen several times on Newton and once on Curie among the matches that I watched. I think a policy change is needed. In games where they have a true real time scoring setup, there MUST be a way for teams to see the current match scores in order to properly play the game. If FIRST is not providing a score indicator like the timer on the alliance wall, then they need to have some sort of policy regarding the official screen having a score. All teams rely on this during the match, and it does affect the outcome.

I would suggest getting in touch with FIRST HQ/Bill Miller about this, not in terms of an "Our referee shafted us blah blah blah" (because he was correct, it isn't considered part of the official arena currently*), but in terms of expressing to the GDC that future games with real time scoring need to take that into account.


*The manual defines "scorekeeping equipment" as part of the arena, so the argument COULD be made that the score display is part of that, but I don't believe that's what they mean
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Re: Removing time and score from big screen during elimination matches

Also if I remember correctly, the timer was removed in the last 30 seconds of the match during our finals with the OP's alliance.
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