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Re: Einstein 2012

Congrats to 25 on joining the two-time champions club. Congrats to 180 and 16 for finally getting a championship victory.

It is infuriating that all of the communications issues throughout eliminations ruined everything and overshadows their well-deserved victory. I thought going through divisional finals 987, 233, and 207 played the best out of anyone
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Re: Einstein 2012

What are the chances FIRST will refrain from tearing down the Einstein field until such time as they can run a few simulated matches on it? I'd say there's no time like the present to do some failure analysis, and I suspect there's no shortage of teams that would volunteer their robots for the task.

Once the field is gone, the evidence is gone (or at best, tainted), and it will be that much harder to convince people of the root cause.

(Of course, my congratulations to the winners and all of the runners-up.)
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Re: Einstein 2012

From a Member of the GDC in regards to a question regarding the control system/FMS problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAya...utu.be&t=7m13s

(Please watch the whole video, The link is only to recognize an interesting quote)
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Re: Einstein 2012

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It's ironic that the pre-match speeches was about how this is as good as any sporting event, one of the best competitions in the world, and the finals are jeopardized by communications issues. Especially when it's promoting technology.
Its all kinds of embarrassing for FIRST.

They're going to have to answer to it. I don't see how they can not.
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Re: Einstein 2012

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I believe 1629 won it again. It was announced after Chairman's, wasn't it?
This is correct-- GaCo 1629. I think this is their second championship EI win, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Einstein 2012

1717 had the same problems on newton(as did we) and we compared notes. There is no way it wasn't the field. All other indicators were fine, go into auto, come out, no coms.

Utterly embarrassing.
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Re: Einstein 2012

Since the advent of the CrIO in 2009, we have found that if we turned the robot on in the queue (as directed by the FTA and volunteers), prior to the FMS displaying our team number, we had issues 100% of the time. If we waited until we were on the field with our team number displaying on the FMS, before we turned the bot on, we had no issues. This has caused friction between our drive team and the volunteers and the FTA at every regional, but especially this year at North Carolina. Every year, we confirm the behavior in front of the FTA in a practice match that if we turned on in queue, without our team number displayed on the FMS, we have many problems, camera issues, encoder and / or gyro issues, loss of comms, or extremely long delay in connecting to the field.

In 2009, at the recommendation of the FTA, our programmer (who is now a programmer for Sony) used a default robot project (in C++) and tried it on the field with the same result, so it is not our code.

For the record, we always program in C++, and use gyros encoders, cameras, and other sensors every year.
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the other fields have been torn down already
Otherwise they have to pay the handling crew double time for working on Sunday?
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1717 had the same problems on newton(as did we) and we compared notes. There is no way it wasn't the field. All other indicators were fine, go into auto, come out, no coms.

Utterly embarrassing.
You were not alone. Many times have mentioned this same issue, on other fields. We played through two regionals without an issue. Coming to cmp, we dropped coms 3 or 4 matches. 1 was a failure of our own. We log all our data through the match (mostly to check shot speed)...the FTA couldn't find any issue in our system.


We were told every match to turn our robot on early. I loved the IFI system.


A side note, why is Chairman's not announced last anymore? It seems anticlimactic, especially being the biggest award to win.
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Re: Einstein 2012

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You were not alone. Many times have mentioned this same issue, on other fields. We played through two regionals without an issue. Coming to cmp, we dropped coms 3 or 4 matches. 1 was a failure of our own. We log all our data through the match (mostly to check shot speed)...the FTA couldn't find any issue in our system.


We were told every match to turn our robot on early. I loved the IFI system.


A side note, why is Chairman's not announced last anymore? It seems anticlimactic, especially being the biggest award to win.
1114 got sideshow seats on the stage to watch the finals. I imagine this just being a special reward-- aside from winning the CCA, of course.
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Re: Einstein 2012

Does anyone happen to have screencaps of Woody or Dean during the Einstein matches?
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Re: Einstein 2012

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You were not alone. Many times have mentioned this same issue, on other fields. We played through two regionals without an issue. Coming to cmp, we dropped coms 3 or 4 matches. 1 was a failure of our own. We log all our data through the match (mostly to check shot speed)...the FTA couldn't find any issue in our system.


We were told every match to turn our robot on early. I loved the IFI system.


A side note, why is Chairman's not announced last anymore? It seems anticlimactic, especially being the biggest award to win.
We had very similar problems on Archimedes. We died twice, once for the first half of the match, and one for the whole time. I was told by the FTA that it was a problem with our radio. I believed him, but now I am not so sure.
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I remember watching them shaking their heads in disgust.
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1114 got sideshow seats on the stage to watch the finals trainwreck. I imagine this just being a special reward-- aside from winning the CCA, of course.
Fixed it for you.
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Re: Einstein 2012

I'd really like to thank all of the field crew and admin for putting up with the obvious technical difficulties on Einstein. Whether they were really field issues or just coincidence (however unlikely), the show certainly went on. Hopefully by tomorrow everyone's nerves will have calmed and we can start appreciating all 12 teams that made it to Einstein for that fact alone, rather than bicker over who had the most optimal showing.

Regardless, congrats to 25/180/16 for a lovely performance and for taking the 2012 CMP banner!
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