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KSC Results

Posted by Karthik Kanagasabapathy.

Other from Sigh... No Team For Me.

Posted on 3/12/2000 10:40 AM MST



Hey all, here are the results from the KSC regional. These are very unnoficial, as they're just a compilation of the notes that I scrawled while watching the webcast. I'd like to send out a big thanks to the people at NASA for doing such a great production job. Too bad I was forced to watch it over a 28.8. Sorry about the formatting (it's a mess), I was going to put up as an html file on my website, but I'm having some problems uploading. If you have any questions about these results, drop me a line at karthik@myna.com.

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Seeds:
1. 312 Baxter Healthcare of Tampa Bay & Lakewood High School
2. 343 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Hamilton Career Center/ Oconee County Business Education Partnerships
3. 212 NASA Kennedy Space Center & Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School
4. 086 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Vistakon & Stanton College Preparatory School
5. 132 Panzer Aluminum, Inc. & Northeast High School & Crystal Lake MS
6. 016 Baxter Healthcare Corporation & Mountain Home High School
7. 351 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Iluka Resources, Inc. & Clay High School
8. 411 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Applied Technology Center & Northwestern High School
9. 148 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Raytheon, AIS Division & Greenville High School
10.186 Walt Disney World & Project Future & The Challenge Center
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Alliances (Rankings before the elimination matches):
1. 312 Baxter Healthcare of Tampa Bay & Lakewood High School
016 Baxter Healthcare Corporation & Mountain Home High School
415 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Robert Bosch Corporation & Williamston Career & Technology Center

2. 343 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Hamilton Career Center/ Oconee County Business Education Partnerships
267 Motorola & North Broward High School & St. Andrew's School
342 Robert Bosch Corporation/ Trident Technical College & Summerville High School

3. 212 NASA Kennedy Space Center & Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School
059 Syntheon Corporation/ eAc Corporation & Florida International University & Miami Coral Park Senior High School & Carrollton High School
180 UTC/ Pratt & Whitney/ NASA Kennedy Space Center & South Fork High School & Martin County High School

4. 086 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Vistakon & Stanton College Preparatory School
351 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Iluka Resources, Inc. & Clay High School
276 NASA Langley Research Center/ Youngstown State University/ Acme Industrial Group & Chaney High School

5. 132 Panzer Aluminum, Inc. & Northeast High School & Crystal Lake MS
233 NASA/ Lockheed Martin/ Dynacs & Rockledge High School & Cocoa Beach High School
282 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Matern Professional Engineering-The Foundation/ Control Technologies/ Lucent Technologies/ Sandy Engineering & Lake Howell & Winter Springs High School & Orangewood Christian Private

6. 411 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Applied Technology Center & Northwestern High School
079 Honeywell Aerospace/ NASA Kennedy Space Center & East Lake HS & Explorer Post 991
010 Banner Engineering Corporation & Benilde -St. Margaret's School

7. 148 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Raytheon, AIS Division & Greenville High School
393 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ IPT, Inc. & Morristown Jr/Sr High School
386 Intersil Corporation/ Harris Corporation/ Rockwell Collins/ Interface & Control/ NASA Kennedy Space Center/Systems, Inc. & Eau Gallie High School & Satellite High School & Palm Bay High School & Melbourne High School & Bayside High School & Melbourne Central Catholic High School

8. 186 Walt Disney World & Project Future & The Challenge Center
021 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Boeing/ Brevard Community College & Astronaut High School & Titusville High School
278 NASA Kennedy Space Center/ Honeywell & Edgewater High School
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Quarter-Finals

Alliance #1 | 24 | 21 | xx | Alliance #2 | 29 | 7 | 24 |
Alliance #8 | 1 | 1 | xx | Alliance #7 | 26 | 23 | 13 |

Alliance #4 | 15 | 12 | xx | Alliance #3 | 16 | 13 | 17 |
Alliance #5 | 30 | 16 | xx | Alliance #6 | 12 | 16 | 12 |

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Semi-Finals

Alliance #1 | 26 | 30 | xx | Alliance #2 | 5 | 29 | 22 |
Alliance #5 | 15 | 13 | xx | Alliance #3 | 18 | 17 | 18 |

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Finals

Alliance #1 | 11 | 23 | 27 |
Alliance #2 | 12 | 16 | 4 |


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More KSC Info - From a Participant

Posted by Mike Sklar.   [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]


Engineer on team #21, ComBBAT , from Astronaut H.S. and Titusville H.S. and Brevard Community College and Boeing Company and NASA-KSC.

Posted on 3/13/2000 12:41 PM MST


In Reply to: KSC Results posted by Karthik Kanagasabapathy on 3/12/2000 10:40 AM MST:



The results posted by Karthik look accurate to me. I was there competing with the Boeing NASA ComBBAT team (#21) and it was awesome. My notes are at home, but the seedings and final rounds look correct. What you can't see from the scores is the unwritten story. One team there definitely had a dominant robot the entire time. Who else but the 'Heat Wave' Team 312, Baxter - Lakewood HS from Tampa, FL. They dominated every match and only lost 1 game in the final tourney. Their alliance partner in the tournament, Baxter Bomb Squad (#16) had a reliable, single bailer type machine. However, all they did the entire finals tournament was play defense. Heat Wave did all the scoring. There's nothing special about their design. It's just reliable and quick. They typically handle 2-3 balls or more at a time and do this 3 times in a match. They can go from the goal, up the ramp and hang in less then 15 seconds. They have a single, rotating bailer machine that picks up balls from the bailer tip using two swing arms that push balls in very quickly. They raise balls out of the bailer (holds 4-5 balls) with an elevator paddle. Very simple! Their drivers have now been driving their machine for 4 years in a row!

As far as qualifying goes KSC had 12 matches per team. The highest Qual point average was around 35-40 points. The top 8 cut-off was around a qual point average of 23 points per match. If anyone wants better data just say so and I'll post it.

One other note. Qual scoring is weird and most teams are too dumb to really handle it. I saw many instances of teams maximizing their own goal score when they clearly were winning the match and could have scored many more qual points by scoring in the opponents goal. Also consistency pays off. There are two teams I know of that could do nothing more than score 2 balls (fed by HP) at a time. They did this 1-2 times per match consistently and somehow ended up in the top 8.

I suggest you all start praying for the gods of FIRST to smile down on your team during qualifying. Unless of course you can dominate the field like heatwave. Then no luck is needed.

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a little more-from a top contender

Posted by Andrew Rudolph.

Student on team NASA KSC/Michael Krop Senior High School from Michael Krop Senior High School sponsored by NASA Kennedy Space Centre.

Posted on 3/13/2000 2:50 PM MST


In Reply to: More KSC Info - From a Participant posted by Mike Sklar on 3/13/2000 12:41 PM MST:



We finished in third and was the #3 seed. our bot could only hold 1 ball at a time but pretty much every time we tried to hang we did. we were only 1 point from being top seed. at 32 pts a round average. heat wave and HC-COP were 1 and 2 both with 33 heat wave had a higher total qP's so they got #1 seed. So if you can score the big points and score the big points for them you will do well. we had the 2 highest score of the day 69 Qp's with heat wave and 60 with team 411 the team you talked about getting 2 balls from the HP and still doing well. But both times the deciding factor was the ramp. Both times we hung and our alliance was on the bar or ramp. the best play of the day was when team 186 or 86(not sure) blocked 2 teams from being capeable of getting on the ramp. All by itself winning the round 2 against 1. this shows the importandce of the ramp and bar.
also defence was a key. we picked SPAM as a partner and they didnt put balls in the basket. they had the perfect balance of torque and speed they held back some of the biggest teams around. so if your bot isnt doing what you think it should do change your idea on what it should do .... hang and block.
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