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Question Do all three team have to play in finals???

According to the following, all three teams must play within the 2 matches during the elimination rounds....

Updated in Team Update #12
Alliances formed for the Elimination Rounds stay together for the remainder of the event. Each elimination round alliance is composed of three teams. Only 2 teams play in an alliance at a time.The third team in the 1st match must play in the 2nd match with no exceptions. Teams should consider the robustness of the robots when picking alliance partners.

Is this true? I would think so, but in the finals at the UTC Regionals it looks like 175 & 176 played both matches against 252 & 236 (neither one switched to the 3rd team).

Even if the 3rd team broke down on both alliances, from the rule where they say "no exceptions", it sounds like the non-functional robots should be placed on the field and they should have played one-on-one.

Maybe it's just listed wrong on the FIRST site?

Any thoughts or comments?

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I personally understood it to be that each robot had to play atleast one match, always including the bot that picked the other two.

maybe i'm just a little messed up because it's 230 in the morning...but who knows?

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Yes, the rules are the rules.

Three teams, two matches. One team plays in both, the other two are mutually exclusive.

As for the whole "broken robot" situation, I would assume that you don't have to put the disabled robot on the field, but the third team, who has presumably already played a match, cannot replace them ("no exceptions"). A human player would be fielded for the alliance, but there would be no robot.

If it is the case that this rule was broken, let's hope that it's reinforced for the upcoming regionals.
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Re: Do all three team have to play in finals???

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...but in the finals at the UTC Regionals it looks like 175 & 176 played both matches against 252 & 236 (neither one switched to the 3rd team).
I'm assuming that you are basing this on FIRST's match listings. I'm assuming this because a) team 358 wasn't competing at UTC and b) you say looks like, instead of did or another more confident verb.

If you look at more of the standings on FIRST's site, you will notice that nobody switched in QF4, or either semifinal matches, either.

Furthermore, if you look at the NH regional match results, which team 358 did attend, you will notice that nobody switched in the finals, QF2, or either semi-finals match. Since you participated in the second semi-finals match, and didn't switch according to FIRSTs website, did you break the rule too?

The reason that I point that all out is because there is a pattern of FIRST's standings showing teams not switching. It occurs at every single regional. I beleive that there is a bug in FIRST's scoring software that does not upload the right teams all the time. It's possible that human error is involved too. But, I am sure that teams are following the rules and are switching, and that FIRST is enforcing the rules.
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The only way this could happen if the picking team let their partners play all the time. There is no rule against the picking team staying out for the whole elimination matches. But I have never seen that happen.
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I would like to clarify that at the UTC/New England regional all three teams did particpate in each of the elimination rounds.
In the rounds questioned in an earlier post all three teams did participate. In each round Buzz (175) and Aces High(176) competed in the first match. Buzz(175) and The Bobcats(177) competed in the second match of each elimination round. That was how it played out. I was there - I saw the whole thing.
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The only way this could happen if the picking team let their partners play all the time. There is no rule against the picking team staying out for the whole elimination matches. But I have never seen that happen.
I see no way for the picking team to not play, based on rule T5
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And 236 and 157 played the last match of the Finals
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Thanks for the simple clarification Mr. Sully

That answered my question, and it confirms the ending of my original message:

"Maybe it's just listed wrong on the FIRST site?".

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PS - Dear Moderator Joe, I'm not sure why the first 3 paragraphs of your response were required (especially the last sentence of the 3rd), but simply stating something like in your 4th paragraph would have answered the question.
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