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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

Ok,
So if I'm the blue alliance, and there is one or more of the three "redabots" on top of MY platform (the one closest to my blue driver stations), then my blue alliance gets points even if my own three bluebots don't get onto the platform; correct?

Therefore, It make sense to defend (but not pin) any redabots on the blue platform at the end of the match.

Just because I can't climb and be king of my own (blue) hill doesn't mean that I'm about to let any redabot "stragglers" from getting down off of my hill; correct? Just don't pin them up onto your platform. You can "touch" the redabot on the blue platform and that redabot still counts for the blue alliance.


I guess it begs the question of why any alliance would want to park any of their bots on top of YOUR platform?
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

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Ok,
So if I'm the blue alliance, and there is one or more of the three "redabots" on top of MY platform (the one closest to my blue driver stations), then my blue alliance gets points even if my own three bluebots don't get onto the platform; correct?

Therefore, It make sense to defend (but not pin) any redabots on the blue platform at the end of the match.

Just because I can't climb and be king of my own (blue) hill doesn't mean that I'm about to let any redabot "stragglers" from getting down off of my hill; correct? Just don't pin them up onto your platform.
Why not pin? It's allowed on the platform.

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You can "touch" the redabot on the blue platform and that redabot still counts for the blue alliance.
Don't even have to be touching. Redabot could have gone up there under it's own power and then stalled - still counts for the blue alliance.

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I guess it begs the question of why any alliance would want to park any of their bots on top of YOUR platform?
Maybe because then you're only about 2 feet from the center goal?
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

Good catch by Gary,

so it is indeed legal to "pin" and contain any robot while it is on the platform. It's only illegal ti "pin" while both robots are on the carpeted field (per <G24>)

So, if your the blue alliance and any one of the redabots is on YOUR platform (the one closest to your blue driving station) then it coulds as 5 points for YOUR blue alliance as long as you can hold them up on the platform.

Hmmmm, I think that their ability of charging DOWN the ramp is stronger than your bluebot ability to keep them up on the platform.....
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

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Hmmmm, I think that their ability of charging DOWN the ramp is stronger than your bluebot ability to keep them up on the platform.....
Normally I would say the uphill advantage would just about finish any robot trying to pin you on the alliance platform. But remember the top of the platform is made out of plastic (polyethylene?) while the pinning robot would be on carpet. I think it comes down to drive train more than anything, since they are both equally likely to be on the diamond plate.
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

actually, I can allready imagine the top bot just flipping over because he runs into the buttom bot...especially if they ram into eachother
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

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It's only illegal ti "pin" while both robots are on the carpeted field (per <G24>)
You are allowed to pin on the floor any time you choose. However, if you pin for more than ten seconds, a ref will tell you to back off. If you don't, it's one flag for every ten seconds until you back off three feet. If you back off three feet, then repin the other robot, the count starts over. (<G24> again)
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

are you sure it's not 5sec? I would check the PDF's but my pc is going a bit slow
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

I don't care how desperate you are, never tip another robot intentionally. Never.
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

I never said I WOULD use it, it's just a brainstorm I had and decided to share with you guys
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

lol, i got pwned! see what happens when you skim the rules? I mistook "either" for "their"
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

I suppose that I should add that the refs do track things that skim close to the rules involving ramming and tipping. If a team gets close, they get warned and a note made of that warning. If they do it again, they are under closer watch and are more likely to get themselves hit with a penalty.

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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

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are you sure it's not 5sec? I would check the PDF's but my pc is going a bit slow
I'm sure. I was looking at Section 4 when I made the post.
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

that's interesting, but backing off 3ft? how am I supposed to know how much is that?
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

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that's interesting, but backing off 3ft? how am I supposed to know how much is that?
91.4 cm

Really, robots are a max of 38 inches (unexpanded) right? So just back off one robot length.
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Re: an evil, desperate, ramp strategy

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91.4 cm

Really, robots are a max of 38 inches (unexpanded) right? So just back off one robot length.
lol =) I know it's 91.4cm, I just mean is it gonna be that percise or are the judges
gonna call it as 'backing up enough for the other robot to have a chance at getting away)
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