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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

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Newton: 1038 seeds 1-2, picks 148 and 1885, wins the division.
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The only sure way for 1038 to win Newton is by drafting 247. They are one of the most effective scorers this year, but they need protection. If 247 isn't protecting 1038, they will almost certainly be riding 1038's interchangable bumpers.
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

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(Disclaimer: I love 1038.)

The only sure way for 1038 to win Newton is by drafting 247. They are one of the most effective scorers this year, but they need protection. If 247 isn't protecting 1038, they will almost certainly be riding 1038's interchangable bumpers.
I personally want to see 1038 team with 696 and 573(biased). That would be a winning alliance, two powerhouse scorers and a successful hybrid what more could you ask for.
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

Ok so people are posting who they think will win the divisions so i guess i put mine up

Newton - 148 seeds #1, picks 111 then picks 340
Curie - 1114 seeds #2 picks 234 then picks 176
Archie - 494 seeds #1 picks 254 then picks 4
Galileo - 2056 seeds #1 picks 217 then picks 1251

I honestly think there is so much depth this year in each division that it is not going to be a problem for the number 1 seeds to win their divisions. The problem is going to be getting the team that they WORK best with. The alliance with the teams that work best together will beat the alliance with the best teams on them any day (excluding if the best teams work the best together)

just what i think could happen for winners in each division.
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

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Exactly.

don't underestimate 2056. I could very well see this team being the first rookie FIRST World Champion (yes i dare to say this) They didn't get those 2 blue banners for being not so good. There robot is great, and the drivers are just as good if not better than most of the "elite" teams of FIRST. But who know's it will all be revealed come Saturday of who is the best in FIRST this season.
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The world champion in 1995 (Ramp and Roll) was a rookie, and was featured on the cover of the Small Parts catalog the following year. 2056 along with all other rookies attending do however have the chance to be the first rookie world champion this century.

EDIT* The world champion in 1992 was also a rookie

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But in '92 and '95, it was national champions, right? So technically, it would be the first rookie world champion.
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

I agree with Arefin-- although a lot of us have watched hours of matches and scouted many teams, it's impossible to know what's going to happen. But that's just the fun of predicting, isn't it? It's fun to see how close you can get with whatever information you have.

That said, I'll make some predictions of my own :

The giants in Curie will get split up. They will have such a target on their backs and such a rigorous qualification schedule that the very top seeds won't be the "best" robots. Look for a number 4-6 seed to come out of Curie. 3 quality bots will band together to make it to Einstein.

Here's a vague one, but one I think is true: Somebody we all never expected is going to make it to Einstein, possibly win it all. We'll find out who that is come next Saturday.
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

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If you would like to further discuss this topic about "questions" without calling each other stupid on a public forum, feel free to pm me or you know my screen name for aim. With that said, would any one of the moderators be gracious enough to please delete my post?
Arefin:

I don't think Cory was calling anyone stupid, he just used a bit of confusing sentence structure. I myself had to check twice to be sure.


Cory - "Nobody said that their picks are 100% correct, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid."

I believe he meant, "Nobody said that their picks are 100% correct, and nobody said that anyone who disagrees with their picks is stupid". I think he was implying that this has been a friendly, rather innocuous thread to this point where no one is proclaiming some kind of uncanny psychic ability to predict the future better than anyone else, but I can see your viewpoint that many of these prognostications have had a tinge of rah-rah-ism for the home team or perhaps also a bit of the "me too" bandwagon syndrome. Even so, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with having fun in guessing.

Basically, this is all just for fun, and no one is pretending to know anything more about the final outcome than anyone else. If everyone continues to go with the flow, then no worries.

By the way, I have yet to make any predictions, nor will I, because karma and fate are scary partners, and I don't wish to upset either. I look forward to having our team try their best and be happy with whatever end result takes place. I don't have thick enough stomach lining to be up all night worrying about who's going to pick us or getting into the Top 8 or even if we'll do well enough to deserve consideration for the elimination rounds. I just hope the experience ends up being an enjoyable one for me and everyone else participating.
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

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Fin:

I don't think Cory was calling anyone stupid, he just used a bit of confusing sentence structure. I myself had to check twice to be sure.


Cory - "Nobody said that their picks are 100% correct, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid."

I believe he meant, "Nobody said that their picks are 100% correct, and nobody said that anyone who disagrees with their picks is stupid". I think he was implying that this has been a friendly, rather innocuous thread to this point where no one is proclaiming some kind of uncanny psychic ability to predict the future, but I can see your viewpoint that many of these prognostications have had a tinge of rah-rah-ism for the home team or perhaps also a bit of the "me too" bandwagon syndrome. Even so, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with having fun in guessing.

Basically, this is all just for fun, and no one is pretending to know anything more about the final outcome than anyone else. If everyone continues to go with the flow, then no worries.
Let's continue...
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

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I personally want to see 1038 team with 696 and 573(biased). That would be a winning alliance, two powerhouse scorers and a successful hybrid what more could you ask for.
sounds good nuff for me

i'm sad... Joe didn't give us a shot at getting to einstein
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sounds good nuff for me

i'm sad... Joe didn't give us a shot at getting to einstein
He's just being statistically correct in all reality he wants us to he just can't say it.
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Ok so people are posting who they think will win the divisions so i guess i put mine up

Newton - 148 seeds #1, picks 111 then picks 340
Curie - 1114 seeds #2 picks 234 then picks 176
Archie - 494 seeds #1 picks 254 then picks 4
Galileo - 2056 seeds #1 picks 217 then picks 1251

I honestly think there is so much depth this year in each division that it is not going to be a problem for the number 1 seeds to win their divisions. The problem is going to be getting the team that they WORK best with. The alliance with the teams that work best together will beat the alliance with the best teams on them any day (excluding if the best teams work the best together)

just what i think could happen for winners in each division.
I'm with Tim on this one. There are plenty of good teams. There are very few great teams. Just try to find a team you can work well with. I'm just afraid that the match list gremlins will keep teams from working together. I already know we won't be teamed WITH any of the teams you have us with. But thanks for the props.
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

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(Disclaimer: I love 1038.)

The only sure way for 1038 to win Newton is by drafting 247. They are one of the most effective scorers this year, but they need protection. If 247 isn't protecting 1038, they will almost certainly be riding 1038's interchangable bumpers.
Ahhh, but if 247 is defending 1038, they're not defending 148, which is guaranteed to cause some serious issues. 1885 can toss in a couple ringers (or a spoiler), play defense, or interfere while this is all going on as well (until they deploy their ramps at about 35-40 seconds). That is, unless 247's alliance sends multiple defenders, then we approach a whole different debate (and a debate about how well 148 can score through defenders and carry an alliance). Regardless, these alliances are the ones I feel had the best chance (by plurality, nobody has even near a 1/10 odds of actually happening) of not only being formed, but making to Einstein when they are formed. I doubt any of my picks will end up being 100% true. Maybe 1 or 2 of the teams I mentioned will make it to Einstein, but I doubt more than that.
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Ahhh, but if 247 is defending 1038, they're not defending 148, which is guaranteed to cause some serious issues.
Having seen what Da Bears are capable of in Pitt, and being pitted next to them at the same, I think we would love to have them defending us in the eliminations, not vice versa

We look forward to trying to get Newtion to Einstien, either by hanging tubes or helping other teams with scouting and strategy. This is gonna be FUN!
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

I was looking at what everyone was posting on the "ideal team" and they all seem to consist of 2 excellent ringers and a ramp-bot/defender, but I was sort of wonder that because all these divisions are so deep, is it that far fetched that there could be an Einstein quality team composed completely of excellent and good ringers? There are disadvantages to this type of team (running out of ammo ) but if they coordinate well, they might be unstoppable.

Thats just me though, feel free to scrutinize and poke holes in this theory, but I'm just throwing it out there to stir up thoughts.
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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

/I'm dismounting my 648 high horse for the moment.

I see no problem with an alliance that has three effective tube scorers on it winning their division. I say this because there is a good chance that these teams could also play effective defense. 111 and 71 both have excellent crab drives and can play a mean defense if needed, yet both can score tubes effectively and quickly (plus they have ramps). Those teams won't hook up, though, they're in different divisions.

However, versatility could be the key for this year's champions. They'll have to adapt every match and at least one team (of the three) is going to have to play defense when they don't expect to.

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Re: Predictions: The Big Show -- Einstein

Watching the finals at Palmetto, Boston and UTC proved to me that you need the "threat" of a ramp bot. The #1 alliance at Palmetto had two AMAZING ringer bots, and a 3rd bot without ramps. While they cruised through the 1st two rounds, they ran into problems in the finals because they didn't even have the option of 60 ramp points. Some strong defense and a double ramp sealed their fate.

At UTC, both alliances had great ramp bots. But this battle was won at the rack, as two very good ringer bots fought off a ringer and a defensive bot to win. At the end of the matches, neither team ended up with a 60 pt bonus, but the threat was still there. That threat is what kept the opposition from just scoring their 60 and winning the match.

Boston was similar, with 4 great ringer bots putting up points at the rack. But, again, 69's 2 ramps got the better of 121's single ramp. Rarely did the winning alliance lift both robots, but having the threat of 60 points forced the 121/1626 alliance to compensate and beat them at the rack.

Team won't need to score the 60 bonus points to win matches. But, having the ability to, will allow them to win the match at the rack. Two great ringer bots with a solid 2x ramp/defensive bot should win this Championship.

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