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Exclamation Re: Game Hint #1

ok you guys its a opah or moonfish!!

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/MRP/salmo...s_guttatus.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opah#Life_history
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Re: Game Hint #1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opah#Life_history

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/MRP/salmo...s_guttatus.jpg



we think it mite have to do with either keeping a constant speed or type of wheel or motor
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Re: Game Hint #1

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In my opinions this was just a fish picture scanned from a book with very thin paper so the words are backwards because they are on next page. Onion skin paper and <40gsm paper like bible paper is common for big dictionary like books.
this is not true because we have found the original copy of this photo on google which is exactly the same when you subtract them and has the same format but if you use decrypting software in the clue you will get a message vs the normal pic.

the only thing is that we need a password
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Re: Game Hint #1

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this is not true because we have found the original copy of this photo on google which is exactly the same when you subtract them and has the same format but if you use decrypting software in the clue you will get a message vs the normal pic.

the only thing is that we need a password
what decrypting software do you use?

maybe something along the lines of
moonfish not herring or FIRST herring
for the password.
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Re: Game Hint #1

One of the guys on my team mentioned that some Fish only see certain wavelengths of light... Based on that my bet is that there maybe locations on the field with IR emitters at certain locations, where teams must reach (overcome difficult terrain and/or tetter-totter) to obtain game pieces. It could also involve the camera, as previously mentioned, where the game pieces (or the IR emitter where the game pieces are located) are out of the drivers line of sight, and thus rely on the camera to obtain game pieces.

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Re: Game Hint #1

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what decrypting software do you use?

maybe something along the lines of
moonfish not herring or FIRST herring
for the password.
i was trying to use jphide software,
let me get you another post with more info on this cause i am positive that this is the real thing
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There are many methods of hiding information in photographs. I was able to scan the image at the highest sensitivity for all the major types of encryption (jsteg, jphide, outguess, and invisible) The system of hiding information within photos was able to detect a hidden message. Now the methodology I used just exposes the type of hidden message and not the message itself. The message unfortunatly for us appears to be hidden in the JPHIDE which utilizes a password based encryption so without the password it will be impossible to figure out the message. Although we do know that there is something there.


****disclaimer: the way the analysis tools that I have scan the data it looks for missing voids in repeating color sections of the photo (complex photos with lots of colors are best for hiding). When I tested with normal sensitivity I didn't see any result, but on cranking up the sensitivity I found proof of an encryption. With all things like this it is possible to get a false positive, but since this is all for fun anyway we can just assume it is there.



so what do we think the password is? I might try to make a dictionary and brute force it later after I am done with the bench top test of the new control system.
just wanna keep bringing this up for those who dont read the whole fourms, this is what i am positive it has to do with,,
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Re: Game Hint #1

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Good Afternoon Teams,

It's a real challenge sharing information with the FRC community because so much of what's happening right now is in flux.

Beta test teams are working with prototypes of the new control system and reviewing draft documentation. As they share their findings with us, we'll correct final bugs and post information on the public beta test forum. I can't be specific about when the postings will start because I can't predict how long the Beta Test teams will take or what they will find. Beta Test teams have been directed to share everything through the Public Beta Test forum to ensure everyone in the FRC community will have equal access to their findings. We're going to show you everything as soon as it's ready.

The new control system is in production. The challenge now lies in convincing the suppliers to put the needs of the FRC community above their other (more profitable) production deadlines. I can't be specific about when the new control systems will be shipped to teams because I can't predict precisely when all the parts will be in house, but I will send the new control systems out as early as possible. When I know the final price for the extra control system parts, I will share it with everyone.

FRC has decided to make parts reusable for a number of positive reasons, but I can't be specific about what registration costs will be in the future because I can't predict what the market will do. The FIRST staff are always working to keep the costs of participation down, but we don't have any control over the cost of parts, the expense of shipping or the extent to which our suppliers are willing to donate time or materials. It is my goal to provide a full FRC experience as economically as possible.

This is what it's like in the real world folks. Woodie said it best. "There's never enough information. Never enough time." He was talking about the games, but it applies to the work FRC does behind the scenes as well. My plan is to share as much information with the FRC community as I can and to show you what the real engineering experience is at FIRST

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P.S. We haven't decided what the 2009 game hint will be yet.... but there are rumors that Dave just bought a new dive mask and flippers.....

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here is something you guys might wanna read (the ps note is kinda interseting)

i have known this for a while but just thought of it now
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Re: Game Hint #1

Here fishy fishy fishy!!!
What's that I smell, can it be... is it possible... It smells like a water game I'm ready for the madness to begin!!
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Re: Game Hint #1

Ha! so far it seems like the very first post mite be right.
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I think we've made so many guesses that one of us can't be wrong.
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Re: Game Hint #1

To whomever is doing the stegonographic tests: What are you using to detect whether there is a JPHIDE'd file in the image? I've downloaded the windows binaries from http://linux01.gwdg.de/~alatham/stego.html but the tools only extract an image; they have no sensitivity option and no way to check whether or not there is an encoded file.

I'd like to write a dictionary attack, and I'd appreciate any help given.

Also - it's a water game. Really.
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All I can tell you is don't get it my way.....
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Re: Game Hint #1

I like the idea of it being a water game, but creating an arena for that would be extremely difficult. Also, if water damage occurred to the site of any regional, there is the possibility that we wouldn't be able to use it again. I don't think FIRST would take that risk.
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No...it's not a water game. What FIRST is actually referring to is the flying fish in the Super Mario games....it will obviously be a flying game where you can't touch the ground.


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