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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

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Also, I don't believe that the lexan assembly slides on the small tube for the reason that it can't; there are no slots cut in the small tube that would be necessary to clear the bolt attaching the lexan to the big tube.
That is a good point. So the question becomes, why even have the larger tube? Why not just attach the lexan to one length of the larger tube...?
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That is a good point. So the question becomes, why even have the larger tube? Why not just attach the lexan to one length of the larger tube...?
Collapsibility for transportation.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

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Look, yes FIRST is known for its trickery and hints, but maybe we have not looked at it fully. Try turning the picture 90 degrees. It looks like a holder for a game piece that could easily be mounted on the side of the field. I mean yes it is a little farther out. But I looked and thought it would be a trailer hitch again. With how it looked and where you can just roll up to a trailer, hook on, move it around and even dump w.e it is inside the trailer somewhere else. But with the look out of it. I see a high game piece, maybe even an extra bonus piece being placed up there. Or, even the last second bonus area to score. Maybe finally seeing some square game pieces like the Wall of totes in 2001.
I would agree that it could hold something if turned upwards. Maybe they need to be moved from one area on the field, stacked together vertically, and then a game piece is placed in the slot created.


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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

I keep going back to this, but in 2008 with the Overpass, FIRST made connectors that would link two ends together, the connector would snap the two together. But the only problem is I don't see any inner connections making the smaller pipe a connector.

Being that it IS lexan... this can't support anything that would be in an extreme force environment. Maybe it's a ball shoot behind the driver station like 2006, but with less jams. I dont know about an auto loader. I thought that, but the lexan + speeding robot = *snap* It must be something robots don't come directly in contact with.
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I've tested that, and Inventor wont refract the reflection like that. Its very odd. Because it IS lexan, its clear you can see the upper pole through it. Like i said before, its most likely a cad model of the whole field. They moved the background just below that part to cut anything out.

The reflection most definitely reminds me of the 2007 game hint. If you looked close enough, you could see the spider legs through the inner tube
You need to consider that the lexan is not square. It leans slightly. Thus the reflection is the result of the leaning lexan. the balls will roll downhill if the support contains an angle holding the rails.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

now here is a question, why is the top shaped the way that it is? Is it pushing or pullng something? It is pretty high compared to the rest of the assembly. and why the hole at the top? would it attach to some sort of backboard like in a basketball net?

It is also shaped like it could hold some sort of cylindrical prism. Remember the coke can from [BB]?
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

I've already figured out the entire game from this picture, minus a few small details that I'm just going to extrapolate from previous years.

Starting work on our robot now...

For those of you still working on it: the shadows are important, play with it in photoshop for a few hours... And what JVN said is really important to figuring the game out, just have to do a little research..

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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

Also worth noting before I leave: What are the four holes in the actual lexan for?

1/4 lexan could probably take a few hits. I heard there's this one team that builds their frame out of it... crazy. Granted, unless there's a "slow down when approaching this item" rule, mandatory bumbers, and / or some other collision mechanism, there's pretty much a 1000% chance these could break in competition if they were an autoloader as we know them. Unless the whole assembly is mounted outside the field so only large arms could hit them...

A quick play with the Hue / Saturation Photoshop sliders got me nothing you wouldn't expect with the reflection. I wouldn't try it.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

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I've already figured out the entire game from this picture, minus a few small details that I'm just going to extrapolate from previous years.

Starting work on our robot now...

For those of you still working on it: the shadows are important, play with it in photoshop for a few hours... And what JVN said is really important to figuring the game out, just have to do a little research..

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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

i know people have been saying that it is too weak for robots to handle, what if it was meant for the human player to push or pull *note the big handle on top
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

What if it holds a game piece at the beginning of a match like in 2004.
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You need to consider that the lexan is not square. It leans slightly. Thus the reflection is the result of the leaning lexan. the balls will roll downhill if the support contains an angle holding the rails.
Intersting idea. But where is the lexan bent? Or is it attached to the tubes non perpendicularly? I can't seem to see either case in the picture.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

I really think that someone should play around with this on the technical side. Photoshop, encryption. Use your 2009 fish hint skills!!

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You need to consider that the lexan is not square. It leans slightly. Thus the reflection is the result of the leaning lexan. the balls will roll downhill if the support contains an angle holding the rails.
Could someone explains what this means? I don't see any lean in the lexan... Is it leaning forwards? Or do you just mean the whole part is rotated for a diagonal view?
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