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2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

We got this put together yesterday to test some dimensions for the gripper before we send off the final sheet metal parts to our machine shop sponsor. Let me know if you have any questions, ect.

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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

Does it grab the small part of the triangle?

Is it spring loaded?
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

Yes it does, we just did not have that object in the shop at the time. We found the wider the roller is, it can suck the corners in nice and deep. It is not spring loaded. We have a lot of compression, but the urethane belting adds a spring-like element when it stretches.
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

Sounds like you can't handle deflated tubes though. You should take some air out of one and see what happens.
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

The gripper compresses the tubes down anywhere from 2-3 inches. The rules state that all the tubes will be kept from 7-8" in diameter. With the tubes at any inflation in this range, our gripper can handle them.
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

Our triangle piece is as shallow as 5.5 inches in the middle fully inflated. Are the specs going to be kept that tight at competition?
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

This design compresses all objects to well below 5", and handles the triangles with no noticeable difference as the other two shapes. Also, the two belts run at approaching angles, compressing the shapes more as they are pulled in.
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

I guess Sean wasn't able to convince yall to go over to wood.
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

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I guess Sean wasn't able to convince yall to go over to wood.
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

The thing would have stopped running. I've done this kind of prototyping for nearly a decade now and never had anyone hurt by a drill "popping off". In fact, using a system with a clutch and that loses power if someone drops it is significantly safer than using a motor with connectors into a battery or with exposed leads as I see quite frequently. Additionally all the gears are encased in a nice plastic shell so they can't catch fingers. Honestly, for prototypes drills are a pretty nice way to test. They have variable speeds, stop really quick, and have a clutch so you probably won't destroy your mechanism if it hits a hard stop. It also probably won't destroy a person if your mechanism hits them before you let go of the trigger.

2415, thanks for sharing. We have a couple roller claw prototypes out of Vex parts but I think I might get busy with a router and some plywood tonight to see if the shape of the back has a large impact.

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What is your compression? You say you are compressing to less than 5" thickness. Does the drill seem to be struggling at all?

Have you tried other widths? 5", 7", 9"? Did this have an impact?

Have you tried not having rollers in the middle and instead grabbing from two points on the side?

Have you tried pulling your tubes out by hand both while the motors are running and while they aren't? Perhaps use a cable tied to the piece with a force gauge to measure your grip strength.

Have you tried grabbing at an angle? Both relative to the floor and relative to the tube.
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

What is your compression? You say you are compressing to less than 5" thickness. Does the drill seem to be struggling at all?

Drill does not seem to struggle at all. We will be using a 550 and a 1:16 banebots transmission.

Have you tried other widths? 5", 7", 9"? Did this have an impact?

We were satisfied with this result enough to not try any other amounts of compression. Much less (~6" or greater) would have probably struggled to maintain grip.

Have you tried not having rollers in the middle and instead grabbing from two points on the side?

Yes. It is effective to an extent (pretty much as long as you are going fairly straight and the roller tries to grab the tube it will work.

Have you tried pulling your tubes out by hand both while the motors are running and while they aren't? Perhaps use a cable tied to the piece with a force gauge to measure your grip strength.

We have not measured the grip strength with a force gauge but we do plan to turn off the motors once we have control and rely on the friction of the system (both the gearbox, the chain, and the belt) to hold the tube.

Have you tried grabbing at an angle? Both relative to the floor and relative to the tube.

Works just as well, although we plan to be grabbing straight on most of the time as it is easier to line up.
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Re: 2415 Roller Gripper Prototype Video

How well does that keep the tubes from rotating once it has held them. Can it rotate the tubes in place to adjust angle while placing??
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How well does that keep the tubes from rotating once it has held them. Can it rotate the tubes in place to adjust angle while placing??
No, in the final design it will all be powered by 1 motor. We thought it would be too hard to accurately rotate with 2 rollers. Instead, our design rotates the entire claw, giving the same effect and making it easier to fit inside starting dimensions.
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