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Multiple Event Winners

By my count, there are 23 teams that won multiple events:

Did not lose an event:
1114 x3
2056 x3
111 x2
148 x2
195 x2
233 x2
254 x2
303 x2
525 x2
768 x2
987 x2
1503 x2
1676 x2
2471 x2
2815 x2

The following teams attended 3 or more events, and won 2 of them:
33
118
217
359
1918
2137
2337
2415

Congratulations to all the multiple event winners!

Let me know if I missed any.
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Re: Multiple Event Winners

Wow that's a lot of teams! Just putting my $00.02 in, I think it can be unfair for any one team to be allowed win more than one regional. They're already going to the championships, so why not give another alliance the chance to make it to St. Luis? Just my opinion here.
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Wow that's a lot of teams! Just putting my $00.02 in, I think it can be unfair for any one team to be allowed win more than one regional. They're already going to the championships, so why not give another alliance the chance to make it to St. Luis? Just my opinion here.
I'm inclined to agree with you, but the fact of the matter is: they won fair and square so why should a team that may not be as good go to championships? At the same time, the reverse is true.
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I'm inclined to agree with you, but the fact of the matter is: they won fair and square so why should a team that may not be as good go to championships? At the same time, the reverse is true.
True, but there are many, many teams who have never made it to the championships. I agree with you, though. It's true they won. On the other hand, if a single team attended every regional in a state, and won all of them, then that would reduce the amount of teams making it to the finals. I guess both sides could be right.
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Re: Multiple Event Winners

I did not see team 359 Waialua on your list they went to 3 won 2 if you want to know
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Re: Multiple Event Winners

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Wow that's a lot of teams! Just putting my $00.02 in, I think it can be unfair for any one team to be allowed win more than one regional. They're already going to the championships, so why not give another alliance the chance to make it to St. Luis? Just my opinion here.
If the team has registered, paid for, and traveled to a regional, then why would you want to deny them the opportunity to try to win the event?

Also, just to be clear: Any team that wins multiple events does not take spots away from other teams. Teams that are on the waitlist get the opportunity to go instead.
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Re: Multiple Event Winners

Cool. Glad to see two of those on the lists are Texas.

and honestly I'm fine with teams doing multiple regionals, if they got the resources to do it than why not. Back when I mentored and volunteered in Colorado, I loved powerhouse teams coming to visit, it helped me get my students to realize that we've still got a long way to grow. Also going up against a powerhouse team helped my team analyze what we need to do in order to become better because if we make it to FIRST World Championships, we want to go making sure we're prepared and that we don't flop.

And yeah, winning events doesn't take away the opportunity of attending FWC, there is an open wait list for all teams to get on.
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Re: Multiple Event Winners

I almost wonder, though, if instead those spots should be offered to the finalist alliance captain, their first pick, and their second pick, if the champion alliance has 1, 2, or 3 teams already-qualified (or pre-registered) for the championship.
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Re: Multiple Event Winners

Lets also keep in mind that those team who won in multiple regionals did so with different alliances at each regional... I'll even say it's a statistical improbability, given the alliance selection process, that we've had a single pre-qualified alliance win a regional this year (or any other year). It's much more likely that at least one team on the winning alliance had not yet qualified.

Of course, now that I've said that, I'm sure someone is going to come in and post a long list proving me wrong
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Re: Multiple Event Winners

There's 6 (possibly 7) seats in CMP awarded from each regional: RCA, EI, 3xRC (possibly 4xRC), RAS

GTREast:
RCA winner: 1114
EI winner: 1241
Regional Champion 1: 1114
Regional Champion 2: 1503
Regional Champion 3: 1482
Rookie All-Star: 3527

GTRWest:
RCA Winner: 771
EI Winner: 2809
Regional Champion 1: 2056
Regional Champion 2: 781
Regional Champion 3: 1547
Rookie All-star: 3739

Waterloo:
RCA Winner: 1305
EI Winner: 1334
Regional Champion 1: 1114
Regional Champion 2: 2056
Regional Champion 3: 3756
Rookie All-Star: 3756

Pittsburgh:

RCA Winner: 63
EI Winner: 771
Regional Champion 1: 1114
Regional Champion 2: 1503
Regional Champion 3: 3492
Rookie All-Star: 3504

Finger Lakes:

RCA Winner: 340
EI Winner: 578
Regional Champion 1: 2056
Regional Champion 2: 217
Regional Champion 3: 1518
Rookie All-Star: 3799

So, from these 5 events, and their associated 30 seats at CMP:

1114 took 4
2056 took 3
1503 took 2
3756 took 2
771 took 2
3799 took 1
1518 took 1
578 took 1
217 took 1
340 took 1
3504 took 1
3492 took 1
63 took 1
1305 took 1
1334 took 1
3739 took 1
1547 took 1
781 took 1
2809 took 1
3527 took 1
1482 took 1
1241 took 1

By the time 1114 won their RCA Seat, they'd already won 3 Regional Champion seats this year.
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I almost wonder, though, if instead those spots should be offered to the finalist alliance captain, their first pick, and their second pick, if the champion alliance has 1, 2, or 3 teams already-qualified (or pre-registered) for the championship.
In an ideal single elimination tournament, the finalist isn't necessarily the second best alliance. This wouldn't be very fair.
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I say that the teams with extra spots for World's should be able to give them to whoever they wanted.
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I say that the teams with extra spots for World's should be able to give them to whoever they wanted.
That could end badly. Say Team A won a regional and wanted another. They could offer their spot to Team B as long as they promise not to pick a team they want.
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Yeah. That opens the door to too much meta-gaming of the alliance selections.
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