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Water Game Next Year?

I was recently at the Seattle Regional and both Dean Kamen and Bill (the FRC director attended). Everyone keeps wanting a water game, and while i think it would be cool, robots and water don't mix. Scarily, both Dean and Bill were hinting at a possible water game next year. Bill even stated "To those of you asking for a water game, be careful what you wish for". So, are they being serious or just trolling us like FIRST does all the time? What do you think?
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

Not trying to be rude, but seriously, this is getting old.

Don't think I'm hating. I'm saying this in your best interest. You can get a lot of hate for this, and it's silly, but it will happen. It happened to me, so I'm just trying to help a brother out.
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

just so you know, they are probably never going to do a water competition, it would be far to expensive to protect the buildings from water damage, especially with robots moving at probably high speeds inside of the pool.
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I was recently at the Seattle Regional and both Dean Kamen and Bill (the FRC director attended). Everyone keeps wanting a water game, and while i think it would be cool, robots and water don't mix. Scarily, both Dean and Bill were hinting at a possible water game next year. Bill even stated "To those of you asking for a water game, be careful what you wish for". So, are they being serious or just trolling us like FIRST does all the time? What do you think?
I'm pretty sure they wont ever do a game with actual water involved... The most they would ever do would be something like having balls with different chemical symbols and then having us make Water by putting them in the right order....

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Not trying to be rude, but seriously, this is getting old.
It used to be a very funny thing, but I do have to agree it is getting old, but who are we to deny some game speculation
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

Yeah, I thought it was a ridiculous idea too. Just thought it was interesting how much they've taken notice to all the silly remarks for a water game.
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

I remember water hints being dropped in previous years as well, obviously to no avail. As *interesting* as it would be, I'm sure its a myth being perpetuated for the frustration of everyone
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

I remember in 09 when the hint was a fish. And then they unveiled the field and it was white and not carpet and I had serious freak out moment where I said to myself, "holy @!#$ they did a water game." Please FIRST don't do this. Of course 2013 will definitely be the year of the water game.
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I remember in 09 when the hint was a fish. And then they unveiled the field and it was white and not carpet and I had serious freak out moment where I said to myself, "holy @!#$ they did a water game." Please FIRST don't do this. Of course 2013 will definitely be the year of the water game.
well that was one of Dave Lavery's hints... His are always so out of the ordinary... Now with him (sadly) not on the GDC anymore We wont have any of those. 2012 was an example of this. We got a list of materials for the field, and we almost got it

But with this year also being a sport year, the next year will be completely random, so something relating to water, but not water itself, is possible.
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

For anyone that wants to build an ROV...

http://www.auvsi.org/foundation/competitions/robosub/
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

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it would be far to expensive to protect the buildings from water damage
This. No venue would likely agree to host this type of event, nor would they really have the facilities to accommodate such a game.
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For anyone that wants to build an ROV...

http://www.auvsi.org/foundation/competitions/robosub/
Yes I strongly say that this water game is better than any water game FIRST can come up with given their limited size, space, and cost. It was a great experience for us and I encourage all teams to take a look at this competition. If all autonomous is too much to take on so soon you can also do Nurc which is teleoperated and at night:

http://arizonapromotersofappliedscie...m/default.aspx
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

How about a simulated water game? Imagine the robots looking for and manipulating game pieces in an arena that is approximately six inches deep in ping pong balls, or squash balls, etc. You can see the top of your robot, but the game pieces and obsolesces and perhaps even the goals are fully or partially obscured by a vast number of non scoring pieces. The shear weight and volume of them present unique challenges both for navigation and locating the real scoring pieces.
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How about a simulated water game? Imagine the robots looking for and manipulating game pieces in an arena that is approximately six inches deep in ping pong balls, or squash balls, etc. You can see the top of your robot, but the game pieces and obsolesces and perhaps even the goals are fully or partially obscured by a vast number of non scoring pieces. The shear weight and volume of them present unique challenges both for navigation and locating the real scoring pieces.
Remind me not to sign up for "field reset" on this one!
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

I had a nice conversation with Bill Miller this year, and the subject of water did come up.

NURC is fun, and this year we get to try the autonomous version! based on the RoboSub rules
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Re: Water Game Next Year?

First of all a water game is impractical!!!! If the venue even allowed a field with water on it, then FIRST field set up would have to figure a way to transport water to the field, probably being buckets if a hose was not long enough. Also leakage would be a huge problem. Lastly putting away a wet field would Be difficult due to slippage but also FIRST volunteers would have to figure a way to get rid of the water.

I think though if they ABSOLUTLY wanted to do something with water then they could do something similar to the 2011 minibots, they could put a small lane, or bowl of water that involves a minibot either racing down the lane of water, or floating in a bowl and doing something
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