02-04-2007 08:16 AM

Chuck Glick

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

well we don't use the worms, but we do use the shnazzy pvc spacers. Do you have any other pics of this drivetrain? I would like to see why you are using a worm gear.

02-04-2007 09:53 AM

Barry Bonzack

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

Would this be because the gears won't backdrive when you are being pushed, so your wheels will lock up?

02-04-2007 10:07 AM

Tim Delles

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

are you using a copper worm gear? is the gear that the worm gear mates to copper?

02-04-2007 11:22 AM

Andrew Blair

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

Nah, worm mating gears are almost exclusively bronze or brass, in order to permit the two gears to mush together a bit, creating a smoother running setup with less backlash.

02-04-2007 12:32 PM

Tim Delles

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

That is what it is. I for some reason thought that they were made out of copper, but now that you say brass or bronze it all clicked.

Just to warn you, that these 2 metals are relatively soft. If to much force is exertaded onto them, it will strip the 2 gears.

This is our gearbox for our wings in 2003. However we started noticing severe wear at our first regional. By the time we got to nationals we new that it was pretty well gone. The brass gear that you can be seen (the gear that is cut to only 1/4 of a gear) was completely stripped.

Now i haven't thought about it in so long, and i don't know the exact force that was working against the gear, but im pretty sure that it is less than some robot will be pushing against you with.

Hopefully you thought it all out before deciding to do a worm gearbox.

Good luck and let me know how it turns out

02-04-2007 01:37 PM

squirrel

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

The small gear is steel, the large gear is bronze. This is a good way to make a worm gear system, I would not worry about it. And the grease is another sign that they know what they're doing....

02-04-2007 02:53 PM

Cory

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

That grease won't help them if they collide with another robot at high speed... I remember from 2004 and prior about people using the drill motors with their gearboxes, without removing the anti-backdrive pins, and completely destroying the internals during impact with other teams.

I would at the very least look into the fact that there may be a problem down the line, and ways to fix it, if I were them.

02-04-2007 03:57 PM

Jared341

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

The red grease makes it look like a meat grinder. Which I happen to think is really cool

02-04-2007 04:23 PM

GVDrummer

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

I would have to agree

02-04-2007 05:27 PM

Jeffrafa

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

As far as worm gears go, its a relatively low reduction. We used a quad-thread worm - which really makes it roughly halfway to a helical gear set. This means it is backdrivable, but is notably more resistant than standard gearing. Also the quads appear to be able to take greater stresses than comparable single or double threaded worm gears, although I don't particularly know why.

It is a bronze worm gear with a hardened steel worm, as mentioned in previous posts.

I have checked the numbers as best I can and I think they'll hold up to the abuse that the robot is bound to see, but we'll be running them in and doing some heavy testing in the next week or so to see how they hold up. The biggest unknown is the shock loading like Cory mentioned, so this will be something we will test for. There is still room for some changes if they don't seem to be holding up well enough - but for now we'll just keep those in our back pocket until the need arises.

02-05-2007 08:48 PM

angelc24

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

Just to warn you- in the past we've had difficulty turning with worm gears.

The meat grinder effect is really cool though.

04-28-2007 08:43 PM

Squirrel Lord

Re: pic: Mmm ... Greasy Worms :-P

Your robot learned first hand that these worms worked in a high speed collision, thanks for the bumber by the way... I have got to get around to mounting it!