BOM?

[ksafin]

Hi all,

As for our BOM, I have a few concerns..

Do we have to list KOP parts as well?
Since fasteners and small objects similar in fashion under $1.00 ea are not counted, do I simply not list them?
We used 80/20 for our robot, should I list the entire length of 80/20 we used?
Is the BOM all inclusive; do I list EVERYTHING?

Thanks!

[nitneylion452]

List your KOP items with a cost of $0.00 and list the source as "KOP"

You need not include the bolts and fasteners on your BOM

You should include the entire length of 80/20 you used

Anything that is on the robot (except the fasteners and, I believe, bumpers) should be included in your BOM.


Hope this helps and good luck at competition!

[DonRotolo]

Is the BOM all inclusive; do I list EVERYTHING?Pretty much yes. Go through it from top to bottom and list everything there is.

[ksafin]

Thanks for the quick reply!

Do I also include all the electronics as well, even though it's implied that everyone has them?

[jspatz1]

Yes all control system parts. Most if not all will be KOP.

[MrForbes]

Is there a rule somewhere that says you need to include KOP items on the BOM? I can't find one.....and we didn't include them on our BOM, and passed inspection at two regionals.

[jspatz1]

There is a KOP page to the BOM template, which implies they want the KOP parts listed there.

[jspatz1]

This note is on the front page of the KOP template:

"...All parts required by The Robot Section 4 should be entered into the BOM. The BOM helps Inspectors verify part use and legality on Robots.

Any item that was included in the Rookie KOP but not the Veteran KOP should be considered a KOP item and indicated on the BOM..."

[ksafin]

Since they don't ask to keep the BOM, is it ok to:

1) Show them the BOM in excel on a laptop
and
2) Make the BOM during the regional, on say, the practice day?
We didn't get a chance to do the BOM before bagging.

[nitneylion452]

Since they don't ask to keep the BOM, is it ok to:

1) Show them the BOM in excel on a laptop
and
2) Make the BOM during the regional, on say, the practice day?
We didn't get a chance to do the BOM before bagging.

We showed the inspector the BOM on a computer at Hatboro, but it is vastly preferred that you hand them a hard copy.

[slijin]

Is there a rule somewhere that says you need to include KOP items on the BOM? I can't find one.....and we didn't include them on our BOM, and passed inspection at two regionals.

Here's the relevant Q&A:

Game - The Tournament » Tournament Rules » T09
Q. On the BOM template, it specifically says "Non- Kit of Parts Bill of Materials." Do we need to submit a separate KOP BOM, or should the entire BOM be listed as one? FRC2340 2012-02-19
A. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The BOM template has been updated. The BOM should include all parts on the Robot, including parts from the KOP.

[jspatz1]

I did read somewhere that is is acceptable to show the BOM on a laptop (although I'm sure the inspector would prefer a printed copy.)

You can work on it Thursday, but you cannot complete your inspection, and therefore compete, until it is finished.

Those that were involved with the design and construction of your robot should be able to complete the vast majority of the BOM from memory. I would recommend doing as much of it as possible from memory ahead of time (you'll be surprised how much you can remember, especially if you have a CAD model). Then you can fill in forgotten details at your event on Thursday. It will be much more difficult to look up details such as cost, model numbers, etc. at the event than it would be at home. It can be quite time consuming, and is not the way you want to spend your time at the event.

[MrForbes]

I guess that's the problem...it was so much fun with the first BOM template finding a computer that could open the file, we never bothered to look at the updated BOM template.

Having it in .xlsx format was not a good move.

[nitneylion452]

I guess that's the problem...it was so much fun with the first BOM template finding a computer that could open the file, we never bothered to look at the updated BOM template.

Having it in .xlsx format was not a good move.

http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=3


That is the link for a compatability pack for Office 2003 (files end in .doc, .xls, .ppt, etc) so it can open files created in Office 2007 or later (files ending in .docx, .xlsx, .pptx, etc.)

This should solve any and all future problems you would encounter with opening .*x files.

[MrForbes]

I know all about the compatibility pack and have had it installed on my computer for several years, but for some reason it would not open this spreadsheet. Maybe it doesn't like Office 2000? I guess that is kind of old software..

[Dad1279]

.....
2) Make the BOM during the regional, on say, the practice day?
We didn't get a chance to do the BOM before bagging.

I think trying to produdce the BOM on practice day would be a mistake. It takes us hours to do the BOM, and you need prices.... I wouldn't be able to remember them, and we looked up alot of prices online.

I would try to get as much of it done as possible ahead of time.

Break it down into sections, like electronics, drivetrain, ball-handling, etc... and flip through receipts, and you should be able to get most of it in advance.

[nitneylion452]

I know all about the compatibility pack and have had it installed on my computer for several years, but for some reason it would not open this spreadsheet. Maybe it doesn't like Office 2000? I guess that is kind of old software..

That's strange. It should work. (Boy if I had a nickel for every time I said that during build season).

Unless you aren't on SP 3. The link specifically indicates Office 2000 Service Pack 3.

Back on topic, I would try to do as much of the BOM from memory as you can. You need the prices and its amazing how much you will remember from the robot. Fill in any holes at competition.

[lcoreyl]

I think trying to produdce the BOM on practice day would be a mistake. It takes us hours to do the BOM, and you need prices.... I wouldn't be able to remember them, and we looked up alot of prices online.

I would try to get as much of it done as possible ahead of time.

Break it down into sections, like electronics, drivetrain, ball-handling, etc... and flip through receipts, and you should be able to get most of it in advance.

Done it a few times (...fool me thrice, shame on..??) . It sucks. Hours spent in the stands when many other things need to get done, but it can be done.

Also--the hard/soft copy question apparently depends on the regional. I've turned in soft copies in CO since I started in 2009, although this year students handled BOM and inspection (FINALLY!!!)

[Racer26]

@squirrel: seriously? you're complaining about xlsx? It was released in 2007, a full 5 years ago.

Office 2000 is 12 year old software. 2003 is 9 year old software. I highly doubt you're still using a 600MHz single core computer, so why use software written for that?

[Dad1279]

@squirrel: seriously? you're complaining about xlsx? It was released in 2007, a full 5 years ago.

Office 2000 is 12 year old software. 2003 is 9 year old software. I highly doubt you're still using a 600MHz single core computer, so why use software written for that?

You should see how lotus123 & wordstar fly on my 600 mhz pc......

Mark my words, nostalgia computing is going to make a comeback, like vinyl records and tube amps! Squirrel & I are just ahead of the rest.

[MrForbes]

@squirrel: seriously? you're complaining about xlsx? It was released in 2007, a full 5 years ago.

Office 2000 is 12 year old software. 2003 is 9 year old software. I highly doubt you're still using a 600MHz single core computer, so why use software written for that?

My cpu is only five years old.

Sorry, I haven't been very good at buying into the periodic upgrade thing. Unless it's free.

And yeah, I do have a few Z80 computers around here...

[slijin]

I know all about the compatibility pack and have had it installed on my computer for several years, but for some reason it would not open this spreadsheet. Maybe it doesn't like Office 2000? I guess that is kind of old software..

You could also try importing a .*x into Google Docs (if you don't need the really advanced formatting abilities) and download it from there, which generally converts it into a simpler version.

[PAR_WIG1350]

My cpu is only five years old.

Sorry, I haven't been very good at buying into the periodic upgrade thing. Unless it's free.

And yeah, I do have a few Z80 computers around here...

Try open office (although, I'm not sure it is called that anymore). It is free.

[MrForbes]

Tried it, didn't like it....

[ksafin]

We did the entire BOM at the competition during practice day and the Inspectors said it was more than OK, just FYI.

[Grim Tuesday]

We recreated the BoM template on a Google Docs spreadsheet, then had each subteam leader go through and add their part of the robot to it. We were still finalizing the BoM at competition, though in the coming years, we're going to enforce that everyone has to have it done before bagging. The cloud based system is fantastic for letting multiple people edit at once, and keep a running tally, as well as allow people to do work at home rather than just at school/while looking at the robot. Also notable is how we CAD everything and put it on a spreadsheet for each part file, so we just go through that and find the going rate for its stock and add it to the template.

Remember, even for parts donated by sponsors, you must include the fair market value of the stock used. We did not know this, and passed inspection at the Fingerlakes Regional, only to get nicked for it at DC.

[MrForbes]

Think of the BOM as what it would cost another team to build your robot...not what it actually cost your team.