View Full Version : [FRCTop25.com]- Post-MAR/MSC, Pre-Championship Show!
Mike Starke
16-04-2012, 19:01
Hey everyone!
We had an awesome time watching MSC and the MAR Championships last weekend, and we know you did too! We don't know when divisions will come out, and if they come out by show time, we will definitely talk about them- look below for how you can help with that.
We have the show coming up on Wednesday AND WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!
Our show will consist of these parts:
1. A MAR/MSC recap of what happened this past weekend
If you have any information about the weekend, shoot us an email!
Any interesting things happen? Let us know about it!
2. A video highlight reel of cool plays/matches this year
For example, when the first triple balance happened in Alamo...
Any other cool plays/matches? Post in this thread, a video link is necessary!
3. If divisions come out...
We are looking for people to do a segment on the show to preview one of the divisions, send us an email!
You must have a webcam, microphone and headphones.
If you have further questions, or are interested, send us an email!
4. If you have any other ideas for the show, shoot us an email!
This week's show will be a lot shorter since tentatively all we're covering is MSC/MAR, so we're looking for ways to make the show normal length.
Our email is MikeandJustinITM@gmail.com! And you can follow us on twitter @MikeandJustin
Thanks for all your help and support! We'll see you live tomorrow night at http://www.livestream.com/MikeandJustinITM at 10:30PM EST!
Bjenks548
16-04-2012, 19:04
Does this mean there will not be a new FRCTop25 list out post MAR/MSC? I was really impressed with a ton of teams this past weekend that I had not seen yet and wanted to vote!
Mike Starke
16-04-2012, 19:07
Does this mean there will not be a new FRCTop25 list out post MAR/MSC? I was really impressed with a ton of teams this past weekend that I had not seen yet and wanted to vote!
We didn't want to do new rankings this week, because people tend to vote on teams that have just played, and forget about teams who may have played 3 weeks ago. We feel that last weeks rankings would be the most accurate for the season leading up to Championships.
Chris Hibner
16-04-2012, 20:28
We didn't want to do new rankings this week, because people tend to vote on teams that have just played, and forget about teams who may have played 3 weeks ago. We feel that last weeks rankings would be the most accurate for the season leading up to Championships.
Then again, this is the week that a lot of teams got to watch webcasts of teams they haven't seen yet this year.
Austin2046
16-04-2012, 20:42
I want divisions to come out soooooo badly... if they do come out you can talk about how the top 25 were all split up... apart from the usual which divisions are stacked, average OPRs for each division, how many regional wins per divison, how many chairman's winners, how many rookies... etc.
smistthegreat
16-04-2012, 20:56
I'll return with a more thought out reply later, but for now, one thing that DEFINITELY has to be featured is 1551 shooting 1241's ball out of the air at Buckeye. Coolest thing I've seen this year.
MagiChau
16-04-2012, 21:05
Having a montage video of every single triple balance would be cool to see. It is really astounding to see the different types of robots completing the feat from stacking to HOT's giant arm.
Anupam Goli
16-04-2012, 21:28
I'd definitely like to see this match featured on the show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rPnc_xrgHg&feature=youtu.be
highest combined score, done without a single triple balance, and 64 points were scored by 1 team alone on the blue alliance.
Also, the Finals Match 1 in the GT West regional should be shown. That was possibly one of the best matches we may have seen this season.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21501483
Also, the Finals Match 1 in the GT West regional should be shown. That was possibly one of the best matches we may have seen this season.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21501483
Could we also include Karthik's history lesson? That was pretty darned inspirational. :p
But I agree with both videos shown. Especially the LSR Semis video because that just kept me on the edge of my seat watching it.
smistthegreat
16-04-2012, 21:37
Link to match with 1551 sniping a ball out of the air here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21334084
Justin Montois
16-04-2012, 23:54
Thank you to everyone who has posted or sent us an email. Keep them coming, we will have a great show in store!
LeelandS
17-04-2012, 09:03
For videos to show, here are a few things I would recommend showing:
3322, 3601, and 862 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Id9IR_HCU&feature=relmfu)'s autonomous in the 3rd finals match at Kettering - The first six ball passing autonomous
2415, 57, and 3997 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwLzZ2wYA_A)'s autonomous in the semifinals at Lonestar - The last six ball passing autonomous
341 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GjQJEUgPIA&feature)'s 5 ball autonomous
67 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WcMOtZ-pyw)'s 5 ball autonomous (Didn't happen in official competition. A cool video to show anyway.)
Some of the more interesting/exciting triple balances:
148, 922, and 2936 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3OCR3NxEmA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL664AA95BDCC11C45)'s at Alamo - The first triple balance
639, 3003, and 843 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNPPihOZ1K0)'s at FLR - One of (if not the) first triple balance without aid (no stinger, etc.)
125, 1635, and 522 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfzwtQq3b0w)'s at NYC - Triple with one robot lifted between the other two
1501, 1756, 4028 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVpnRhMPLzs&feature=relmfu)'s at Boilermaker - The stacking triple balance
Finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eazGY1yQdfc) match at Waterford - The first double triple balance
Other cool moments:
2016, 357, and 708 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Q0DMoOiVc)'s infamous match from Hatboro-Horsham where 5 balls got stuck in the net
The epic and inspirational match at GTR-West (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIQ85frlBzc) that pitted 1114 against 2056, including Karthik's pre-match introductions
One of the most high profile matches in FRC History, finals at Midwest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu7PDSPiork), 16 and 148, with 2022 vs 111 and 71, with 2151(Can't find much better footage).
The astounding upset in the finals at Queen City (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qxx9C4MvRs&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL8D7A989B56FB39B8), where 45, 781 and 3940 overcame the powerhouse alliance of 48, 1038, and 3193
These are just a few things that come to mind. I'll post more if I come up with anything later.
I hope this helps!
I wish I had the equiptment necessary to do a division segment! Oh well :D
Lil' Lavery
17-04-2012, 11:32
67 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WcMOtZ-pyw)'s 5 ball autonomous (Couldn't find a good shot of this in official competition)
As far as I know, 67 never pulled this move off in official competition.
Also, you should probably give credit to full alliances for some of these maneuvers. Why is it 125's triple balance? If anything, 522's unique robot was the critical factor there. Why are 357 and 708 not given credit along with 2016 for the ball jam at Hatboro?
Brandon Holley
17-04-2012, 12:05
As far as I know, 67 never pulled this move off in official competition.
Also, you should probably give credit to full alliances for some of these maneuvers. Why is it 125's triple balance? If anything, 522's unique robot was the critical factor there. Why are 357 and 708 not given credit along with 2016 for the ball jam at Hatboro?
One of 6 of the 125/1635/522 triples viewed from our robot's POV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLVzKXTGX7Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player).
I totally agree with Sean as well. In our case, it was a total ALLIANCE feat. 1635s incredibly strong drive system and excellent driving skill. 522s very unique feature that we (125) were able to recognize in relation to 1635s geometry and convince our alliance to execute. It took all 3 of our teams on that alliance to accomplish that feat.
-Brando
Adam Freeman
17-04-2012, 12:34
As far as I know, 67 never pulled this move off in official competition.
That is correct. We have done 4 a handful of times, but never 5 in an actual FRC match.
nalbonec
17-04-2012, 12:50
How about the alley-oop pass from 1807 to 4373 at MAR Chestnut Hill event in week 2, described in this thread (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104413&highlight=alley+oop) (with direct link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQcHR8ewK8
LeelandS
17-04-2012, 14:06
As far as I know, 67 never pulled this move off in official competition.
Also, you should probably give credit to full alliances for some of these maneuvers. Why is it 125's triple balance? If anything, 522's unique robot was the critical factor there. Why are 357 and 708 not given credit along with 2016 for the ball jam at Hatboro?
I totally agree with Sean as well. In our case, it was a total ALLIANCE feat. 1635s incredibly strong drive system and excellent driving skill. 522s very unique feature that we (125) were able to recognize in relation to 1635s geometry and convince our alliance to execute. It took all 3 of our teams on that alliance to accomplish that feat.
I'm sorry, you guys are absolutely right. I just used the the most well known team of each alliance because it was an easier shorthand. I didn't mean for it to come out as only crediting those teams, just referencing a team that is easily recognizable was something that seemed logical at the time.
I will correct this ASAP. And my apologies to anyone I offended when I made this huge, rather insensitive oversight. My bad :(
And thanks for letting me know about 67's autonomous. I thought it was just that I couldn't find usable footage of it, rather than it didn't happen. I'll make sure to research the events more thoroughly in the future.
Thanks again.
-Leeland
Nawaid Ladak
17-04-2012, 16:12
Maybe a roundtable discussion of sorts covering different things. sort of like how ESPN does Around the Horn, PTI and First Take. Have a preset list of debatable topics and go for it.
mr.roboto2826
17-04-2012, 16:39
Debate the triple balance? Also what will happen if the scores are changed for the bridges? How about a showcase of robots from different regions like west coast, east coast, south, Midwest, central, etc.
I haven't seen video posted yet of the MAR Championship (sorry if I missed it). Here are links to videos of the two final round matches:
Final Round Match 1 (http://youtu.be/w2bQ_frSNlk)
Final Round Match 2 (http://youtu.be/FEba9tavxAc)
Hopefully I did that correctly.
Mike Starke
17-04-2012, 21:51
Hey everyone! Thank you so much for all the posts and emails!
I'm still looking for cool matches/plays from this year! If you have something exciting that happened this year on the field, post the link in this thread!
I'm still looking for cool matches/plays from this year! If you have something exciting that happened this year on the field, post the link in this thread!
Since double triples are so rare, it may be useful to have short clips of all three of them (that I know of):
Waterford Finals Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eazGY1yQdfc)
MSC Quarterfinals 1 Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R398xhhU9o8)
MSC Finals Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnuRiag6DaM)
Too bad the videos aren't very good...
Since double triples are so rare, it may be useful to have short clips of all three of them (that I know of):
Waterford Finals Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eazGY1yQdfc)
MSC Quarterfinals 1 Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R398xhhU9o8)
MSC Finals Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnuRiag6DaM)
Too bad the videos aren't very good...
Tom Nader's announcing is so amusing to listen to. Watching him run around when the double triples happen in front of the FTA is funny as well.
I would like to hear more discussion about final bridge balance situations like MAR Championship Final 1 match that suggest there is no way to safely play defense anywhere near your opponents bridge. Heck maybe you could be pushed into bridge from 10 feet away and incur penalties? If same calls are made at CMP then triples become even bigger game changer?
Robotmmm
18-04-2012, 12:01
This is off topic but I did not know where else to post this question:
How are divisions selected? Is it totally random, or do they use some sort of weighting system to assure the powerhouse teams are equally distributed among divisions? (Sorry for the newbie question.)
The Wisconsin Regional Finals Match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSChOG_CB6Y
For a while (might still be) this was the highest combined non-bridge scoring (78-67) with nearly 100 teleop points scored!
Blue alliance ended up scoring more than 50 teleop points in both Finals matches!
I am at work so I can't find anything better. If anyone has better, feel free to post.
msaunders
18-04-2012, 13:03
Since double triples are so rare, it may be useful to have short clips of all three of them (that I know of):
Waterford Finals Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eazGY1yQdfc)
MSC Quarterfinals 1 Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R398xhhU9o8)
MSC Finals Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnuRiag6DaM)
Too bad the videos aren't very good...
Here another video of the MSC QF 1-2 match, course this does mainly follow 862.
But it has a pretty good view of our triple balance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaMETZdp6DQ&feature=g-upl&context=G28cc2a0AUAAAAAAAAAA
Mike Starke
18-04-2012, 19:37
Would anybody be interested in previewing the Newton or Archimedes division on the show tonight? You would just webcam in to the show and talk about the division, giving some stats and what not. Let me know ASAP if you would be interested! :)
Strategy aficionados will appreciate this match:
http://youtu.be/ceu6hlW5AdA
It happened week 1, and really opened our eyes as to how to get the most out of your alliance's potential.
It's a skill that a lot of teams still under-appreciate, but will factor heavily in qualifications.
Chris Hibner
18-04-2012, 20:43
Strategy aficionados will appreciate this match:
http://youtu.be/ceu6hlW5AdA
It happened week 1, and really opened our eyes as to how to get the most out of your alliance's potential.
It's a skill that a lot of teams still under-appreciate, but will factor heavily in qualifications.
That match was "interesting" to say the least. I was hoping no one would ever have to see a match like that. We looked pretty brutal that early on (wrong high gear ratio, wrong wheels on one side of the robot, no driver practice, etc.). Needless to say, we play a lot better now. I believe that was the first time we ever tried to tip the bridge the other way. All I remember is that neither partner could tip the bridge during that match.
The good news is, I think our strategies usually get the most out of the alliance. It took us a while to talk our partners into that one.
Justin Montois
18-04-2012, 21:03
Hey Everyone!
Tonight is going to be a great show!!
Tonight we will be talking about what went down at MSC and MAR
We will be breaking down divisions
And we will be having a general roundtable discussion that will feature a variety of topics!
Joining us tonight is...
Libby Kamen- 229/4124
Trent Wetherbee- 987
Zach Orr- 2337
Nick Lawrence
Joe Blay- 694
We are really excited and I hope you all can join us!!
Justin Montois
18-04-2012, 22:38
Live now! Join us!
http://www.livestream.com/mikeandjustinitm
Andrew Lawrence
18-04-2012, 22:55
Everyone watch so we can get 200 viewers!
You wish...half of us can't hear anything and see frozen vids
Anupam Goli
18-04-2012, 23:26
Can't watch live, will watch the recording. I have a quiz on line and surface integrals tomorrow which I have to study for :rolleyes:
Tetraman
18-04-2012, 23:53
For those who want to watch the one particular video again, it's right here.
http://youtu.be/Pq3-Jdb--0A
Again, thanks to Mike and Justin for letting me be a part of their show.
I am having a -BLAST- on this show! Thanks for welcoming me so nicely.
AlecMataloni
19-04-2012, 00:32
Thanks for having me on the show, guys! I wish i could have prepared better, but it was short notice. Hopefully I did an OK job.
Justin Montois
19-04-2012, 00:36
I am having a -BLAST- on this show! Thanks for welcoming me so nicely.
Thanks for having me on the show, guys! I wish i could have prepared better, but it was short notice. Hopefully I did an OK job.
For those who want to watch the one particular video again, it's right here.
http://youtu.be/Pq3-Jdb--0A
Again, thanks to Mike and Justin for letting me be a part of their show.
All of you guys were amazing additions to the show. We love including more people in the show, we are aware that the future of the show is not just listening to Mike and I ;)
Thanks again, can't wait to have you all involved again!
AlecMataloni
19-04-2012, 00:40
All of you guys were amazing additions to the show. We love including more people in the show, we are aware that the future of the show is not just listening to Mike and I ;)
Thanks again, can't wait to have you all involved again!
I have even more respect for you guys. Getting in front of 200ish people is tough, and so is pronouncing cities in the pacific northwest. I'll never be a heckler again, that's for sure.
Mike Starke
19-04-2012, 01:04
I'll never be a heckler again, that's for sure.
Hahahaha :)
Also, the archive of the show is now up on the channel, if you couldn't watch live, you can catch what you missed!
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