Galileo 2012!

[kenavt]

Galileo has a lot of awesome teams. I'm ready to rumble!

I personally can't wait to see 16, 33, 125, 148, 399, 772, 1538, 1718, 1918, 2016, 2054 and 3322. That's who I recognize off the list. EDIT: Sorry 25.

GALI-

[JABot67]

-LEO!!!

This is going to be awesome!!!!!

Team List:
8
16
25
33
48
69
103
125
148
151
168
180
231
237
263
269
281
296
342
358
384
399
492
527
533
568
573
585
744
766
771
772
801
815
868
870
1011
1038
1108
1208
1212
1262
1305
1323
1350
1382
1425
1515
1538
1574
1583
1671
1714
1718
1732
1747
1831
1918
2010
2016
2054
2090
2158
2169
2220
2337
2339
2341
2377
2439
2486
2642
2704
2928
3103
3142
3173
3189
3196
3259
3322
3453
3530
3574
3784
3925
3931
3981
4013
4028
4031
4057
4083
4090
4099
4146
4159
4353
4372
4394

[KevinGoneNuts]

Wow! This is going to be crazy! Let the madness begin!!

[moonlight]

Indeed... We have AMAZING teams on the Galileo Division :D and team 3574 High Tekerz are MORE than ready to Rumble!!! let the competition begin ;)

[Jessica Boucher]

I bought Galileo a present this year. I expect it to be used well.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5231/6945294038_ca5808daaa.jpg

[Travis Hoffman]

48 is Looking Forward to competing on Galileo. Let's get it started!

[Basel A]

If anyone is curious, the most recent adjusted OPRs for Galileo teams can be found below. It includes data from the Michigan State Championship and the MAR Championship. Thank to Dr. Ed Law for his spreadsheet.

25 34.01835668
180 33.53258167
16 31.63568795
2169 30.09796564
33 29.53697742
2054 27.83582106
103 26.29856578
148 25.52839296
1323 25.37738139
48 24.0644281
399 23.94705118
801 23.80215717
2337 22.98782257
1538 22.88438007
8 22.6905644
573 22.61957111
2928 22.27432775
1918 21.96680907
1732 21.37707397
772 20.78435916
358 20.7026688
1714 20.08250726
2016 19.46045702
1208 19.20437877
1574 19.03310296
1718 18.84096014
3322 18.50325877
868 18.04300801
125 18.00781116
815 17.76558302
2377 17.46203514
527 17.28741811
744 17.25721302
1671 17.18671497
1350 17.15076221
2220 16.9755548
2439 16.77235012
3196 16.29215542
237 15.44232938
2486 15.41232997
263 15.16757429
342 15.01056302
533 13.95907735
1108 13.89120921
3103 13.78582647
2090 13.70419189
2642 13.56768787
269 13.28123462
231 13.21243502
1747 11.36147989
3574 11.32700674
4159 10.75054768
4083 10.39012172
1305 10.31848753
1011 10.12623431
1038 9.913898626
4057 9.906829859
69 9.482127496
384 9.240298905
4146 9.225804207
2341 8.187578249
1425 7.954238887
1515 7.642733138
4099 7.498593416
3931 7.270169705
492 6.863190989
766 6.379473715
1583 6.25096829
870 5.829780608
3784 5.7147141
3189 5.31472477
1831 5.122010257
168 5.095100738
4031 4.911816277
1262 4.887592386
4028 4.757231684
4394 4.538588093
771 4.351602374
3453 4.340652973
296 4.113440402
3259 3.82576858
4353 3.25752905
1212 3.071399107
3173 2.765432939
568 2.436532952
3142 2.397633684
4090 2.362808697
4372 1.876178136
3981 1.689270098
2339 1.624292619
2010 1.358365648
281 1.21632839
585 1.127491393
3530 0.077956785
2158 -0.715532712
151 -0.880652585
2704 -1.01546634
4013 -1.141049038
3925 -1.157958013
1382 -2.776364895

[Brandon Holley]

I've been to 10 Championships previously, this is the first time I will be competing on Galileo. 125 is excited and looking forward to next week!

-Brando

[EnTech281]

Guys great news! We are 281 and the past 2-3 times we've gone to Champions we have had at least one team with a pit near us win the whole thing. Galileo is producing the champs this year!!!!!!!

[KevinGoneNuts]

If anyone is curious, the most recent adjusted OPRs for Galileo teams can be found here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag93uZQ57k1EdGRDUXJ2NE5HaUhVRkxXcXNHOE9Gc UE). Yes, I know OPR isn't a good indicator of team quality across events (maybe that's why I'm publicising it). It includes data from the Michigan State Championship and the MAR Championship. Thank to Dr. Ed Law for his spreadsheet.

Wow that's cool! I need to go on a CD hiatus... I'm way to excited for championship now! Haha

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I bought Galileo a present this year. I expect it to be used well.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5231/6945294038_ca5808daaa.jpg
Is it magic hat and in n out burger? Lucky Galileo...

[Mark McLeod]

It doesn't have anything to do with the Manchester Acupuncture Studio does it?

[J_Miles]

Second year in a row on Galileo? I'm alright with that. And the competition looks like it'll be pretty evenly matched, too! Next week in St. Louis!

[Shelbers2486]

Team 2486 is super pumped about our division! Especially to see some farmiliar faces from AZ like Crush(1011), 1212, and our Finalist Alliance partners The Sabercats(4146)!!!!

[akoscielski3]

Im really excited now!!!! Looks like we have the most robots who have previously balances! (21)

We can triple balance but never have don eit in competition. We discovered the other day we can hang an incredible 17 inches off the edge of the bridge! (not including bumpers). Our shooter is being improved for a quicker speed up time and we are ready to sit under that fender all day long and then if we get defended against just go back to the key. :D

Anyone feel free to stop buy our pits and take a look at our robot :) we'll be glad to show you everything on it and how we got to that design.

Unveil Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE19OzvzEq8)

[GKlahre1918]

Yet again the organization of the teams into divisions is impeccable. They really are good at that. Of course, we all want to be on the winning team (Duh!) But the question is, who do we think will come out on top? There are a lot of perpetual good teams in each division, but I'd like to think that some team will pull up out of nowhere and take the division. 25 was missing from the quick list at the top and they had downright amazing performance at Mid-Atlantic Regional on week 7. Naturally, your guess is as good as mine when it comes to winners at the Championships. Any opinions on the matter would be nice, I just want a "heated" discussion.

Good luck from Team 1918. (I think. We're not a one man team.) ;)

[RubixCubero]

Second year in a row on Galileo? I'm alright with that. And the competition looks like it'll be pretty evenly matched, too! Next week in St. Louis!

Team 384 has only ever been put Galileo. :) It'll be a fun competition, looks like there will be some competition!

[rsisk]

I bought Galileo a present this year. I expect it to be used well.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5231/6945294038_ca5808daaa.jpg

It's a massive clipboard to whack Billfred with.

P.S., looking forward to inspecting some awesome robots!

[Sean Raia]

I dont have data to back it up, but from my brief observation of the divisions it seems like Galileo will be hard pressed to claim Einstein.
I wouldnt put much into that prediction though, as i have simply been skimming the division lists

[AaronLeondar]

Second year in a row on Galileo! And with our awesome winning alliance partners 2928!! GALILEO FIGHTING!!

[MechaDrago]

Can't wait for this year! Fantastic Galileo Line-Up this year! I look forward to scouting out the teams next week! Should be a blast! Best of luck to all teams this year!

[JABot67]

I dont have data to back it up, but from my brief observation of the divisions it seems like Galileo will be hard pressed to claim Einstein.
I wouldnt put much into that prediction though, as i have simply been skimming the division lists

I'm very curious to see what alliance will come out of this division, with its very solid middle tier. We have some multiple event winners here such as 16, 25, 48, and 148, but only one of those has won every event they went to. Good job Bomb Squad! But we have to worry about the great teams like 67, 341, 469, 987, 1114, 1717, and 2056 who will be across the field from us on Einstein, and who really seemed to mop up the events they attended.

Bomb Squad looks like a favorite in this division; perhaps they'll team up with the Robowranglers like they did at two of their regionals :eek: or maybe they'll team up with the 25, the first pick and champion of MAR. But there is just such a strong middle tier, including a ton of Michigan teams that qualified from the State Championship, that the eventual winners of this division are very hard to predict. With 100 teams per division, there will certainly be amazing machines that do not make eliminations. And we have by far the most teams that have triple balanced in the past - I really think this division is going to be a Loch Ness fest in elims. Good luck to all teams, and I can't wait to see how this division unfolds!!

[ks_mumupsi]

Nice... I am soo excited to be sharing the field with 148 among all the other teams... It will be good though to be around them. Brings back some good memories from back in Dallas.

I think there is a lot of good teams that might be underrated in this division should be a blast though to see this play out. Btw, as far as alliances go there a few close teams here, I could very well see a 16-148 reunion from earlier in the year and a 103-25 union with alot of history. Also a michigan alliance of something like any 2 of 33-2054-1918 could be good too.

There are a lot of good teams in the division that are familiar with each other to some extent.

[connor.worley]

Can't wait to compete with/against 16, 25, 148 at champs again! Also can't wait to see 33. Galileo will be a lot of fun.

[S.P.A.M.er 17]

Now that the sorting hat has put us all into our divisions, this looks like this will be a fun competition. Although Archimedes seems to be a bit stacked, all divisions have excellent robots. Team 180 is ready to bring its all, and compete for the honor to represent Galileo on Einstein field. To 168, 744, 801, and 4013, we are all going to be travelling a long way from home, but lets show everyone what us Florida teams have to offer. Good luck to everyone, and have fun!

[gyroscopeRaptor]

Surprised 2169 isn't getting mentioned. Two regional wins, and highest teleop score in both regionals.

[JABot67]

Surprised 2169 isn't getting mentioned. Two regional wins, and highest teleop score in both regionals.

Can't wait to see them play! But I thought they only had one regional win (and a finalist).

[Travis Hoffman]

Can't wait to see them play! But I thought they only had one regional win (and a finalist).

They played well enough to win in Wisconsin but a team called 2826 happened. I think we had a bit to do with that as well...but perhaps only a little bit. ;)

[ProgramLuke]

While both 48 and 2826 are amazing shooters I think that 269 made the biggest difference in those final matches, we were starved on ammo and they really filled up your side of the field.

Glad to see we are in the same division by the way, hope we get a chance to play together!

[Travis Hoffman]

While both 48 and 2826 are amazing shooters I think that 269 made the biggest difference in those final matches, we were starved on ammo and they really filled up your side of the field.

That was the plan! Oh, look, they're on Galileo too. ;)

Glad to see we are in the same division by the way, hope we get a chance to play together!

I would be all in favor of that. Hope to visit you guys in the pits. Good luck to you and your team - see you soon!

[Jimmy Nichols]

I was kinda hoping we finish what we started in Queen City.

Looking forward to next week. Our first trip to St. Louis and we left Queen City with a much better robot. If anyone needs anything while out there, stop by 1038's pit and we can help.

Good Luck all!!

[akoscielski3]

I Love this division already! No body has a Clue of who will win. I know theirs those teams that are gonna be up there, but there is so many great robots every alliance in the Elimination Rounds will have to work EXTREMELY hard to keep winning. WE CANT WAIT TO GET THERE!!!!!

[nuggetsyl]

Can't wait for the games to begin. Also we would like to thank 341 for letting us copy your stinger. See you Thursday.

[MattC9]

2158 will be on Galileo for our 2nd CMP appearance, our team is very excited and ready to go!! For our first CMP appearance we were on Galileo back in '07 as rookie all stars now we are back as a chairmans team!

[OZ_341]

Can't wait for the games to begin. Also we would like to thank 341 for letting us copy your stinger. See you Thursday.

We wish you all the best at Champs!

[Akash Rastogi]

Can't wait for the games to begin. Also we would like to thank 341 for letting us copy your stinger. See you Thursday.

Good luck guys!

We'll be rooting for you from Curie.

[BJC]

Please help out with a Wide / Long list. This would be very helpful info for scouts to have before competition even begins. I've already filled in the teams that I know and will add information as posted.

Team List:
8 - long
16 - swerve
25 - long - stinger
33 - wide - stinger
48 - long - stinger
69 - - mec
103 - long
125 - long
148 - wide - stinger
151
168
180 - wide
231 - long
237 - wide
263 - wide
269
281 - long - mec
296
342 - - mec
358 - wide
384 - long
399 - wide
492
527 - wide
533
568
573 - long
585
744 -long
766
771
772 - long
801 - wide
815 - wide
868 - square
870
1011
1038
1108
1208 - wide
1212
1262
1305
1323 - long
1350 - wide
1382
1425
1515 - long(30")
1538 - long
1574 - long
1583
1671 - wide
1714 - wide
1718 - wide - brakes
1732 - wide
1747
1831
1918 - wide - kickstand
2010
2016 - wide
2054 - long - stinger
2090
2158
2169 - wide
2220 - long
2337 - long - stinger
2339
2341
2377 - wide
2439 - long
2486 - long
2642
2704
2928 - long
3103
3142
3173
3189
3196 - wide
3259 - wide - stinger
3322 - wide - stinger
3453
3530
3574
3784
3925
3931
3981
4013
4028
4031
4057
4083
4090
4099
4146
4159 - wide
4353
4372
4394

[Clinton Bolinger]

This is what our scouters got so far:

8 Long
16 Long
25 Long
33 Wide
48 Long
103 Long
125 Long
148 Wide
180 Wide
237 Long
358 Wide
399 Wide
527 Wide
573 Long
744 Long
772 Long
801 Wide
815 Long
868 Long
1208 Wide
1323 Long
1350 Wide
1538 Long
1574 Long
1671 Wide
1714 Wide
1718 Wide
1732 Wide
1918 Wide
2016 Wide
2054 Long
2169 Wide
2220 Long
2337 Long
2377 Wide
2439 Long
2486 Long
2928 Long
3196 Wide
3322 Wide

Hope it helps.

-Clinton-

[nuggetsyl]

This is what our scouters got so far:

8 Long
16 Long
25 Long
33 Wide
48 Long
103 Long
125 Long
148 Wide
180 Wide
237 Long
358 Wide
399 Wide
527 Wide
573 Long
744 Long
772 Long
801 Wide
815 Long
868 Long
1208 Wide
1323 Long
1350 Wide
1538 Long
1574 Long
1671 Wide
1714 Wide
1718 Wide
1732 Wide
1918 Wide
2016 Wide
2054 Long
2169 Long
2220 Long
2337 Long
2377 Wide
2439 Long
2486 Long
2928 Long
3196 Wide
3322 Wide

Hope it helps.

-Clinton-
We are long but we hang off the edge by about 18 inches. the weight balance and breaking system made it easy to triple at MAR that and 341 stinger lol. Here is a pic http://www.midatlanticrobotics.com/

[XaulZan11]

Clinton, 2169 is wide and 868 is long but not the full 38 inches (I suspect they are around 28x32 or so).

[JABot67]

With all the talk about wide and long bots, I almost think it's better to have one long bot to triple balance with. It is way easier to balance two wides and a long bot with a dingus/stinger than it is to balance 3 wide bots using nothing but driving skill. Keeping that in mind, it would be nice to have a list of all the robots that have a triple balance assist mechanism.'

Edit: I don't know very much about what teams have have a triple balance dingus since many probably have added them at competitions, but here's a short list (of robots that I know for sure have a dingus) that people can add on to: 25, 33, 148, 2054, 2337, 3322. 1718 has brakes on their train that stop robots from sliding around on the bridge; this turned out to be very useful for triple balancing at MSC. Wow, I don't even know if fellow Michigan teams like 1918 and 573 have these devices. Please add on to this list!

[Ryan Wilmes]

This is what our scouters got so far:

868 Long


Clinton, 2169 is wide and 868 is long but not the full 38 inches (I suspect they are around 28x32 or so).

We technically are long, but we are only about 28X26, so nearly a square.

[BJC]

Feel free to add to the list whatever you want or just say something and I'll edit it into the first list I posted. Stingers is definatly good idea to add. I only ask if you repost the list that you make it the smallest font so the thread is not over-run by giant list of numbers.:)

[JohnBoucher]

237 is wide

[msimon785]

1515 is long, but only 30" Long, making us take only 2" more space than a wide robot.

[chmconkling]

FRC Team 4394 is ready to play Rebound Ruble with our "2 week dream machine"

[Travis Hoffman]

48 has a stinger/kickstand. Simple cylinder firing vertically down. Tested/practiced, not used (yet) in actual matches.



48 - long

[KevinGoneNuts]

Team 4159 is a wide robot!

[RogerR]

3259 has a stinger (we call it a "stomper" due to its size) and we are a wide bot (we can take up as little as 25" with bumpers).

Additionally, while we are almost 60" tall, due to the design of the "stomper" we are G20 compliant (we never exceed 60"). We've practiced with it, but haven't used it in actual matches.

[3098 callahan]

Galileo looks pretty good they have good michigan teams i think 33, 573, and 2337 might have a chance. They all did pretty good at MSC!!

[Mullen]

573 is long, but with the overhang on the front of the robot we only need 29inches of bridge space if on the end (including bumper). We do not have a special balancing tool, but we have tripled before.

Picture : http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielernst/6828853360/in/set-72157629560227229 - credit to Daniel Ernst

[porterma64]

Please note 815 should be listed as a wide bot, 37w x 27l, and with ball feeder on the front & back. We can offset the bumpers with other teams to be more compact

[EnTech281]

Hey guys 281 is a long bot but we have mecanum wheels so we can be long and also a moving turret shooter so we can shoot long (for what it is worth) We have a bridge lowering arm that we are working on so we can put on the bot upon arrival. We look forward to competing with all of you

[flippy147852]

Edit: I don't know very much about what teams have have a triple balance dingus since many probably have added them at competitions, but here's a short list (of robots that I know for sure have a dingus) that people can add on to: 25, 33, 148, 2054, 2337, 3322. 1718 has brakes on their train that stop robots from sliding around on the bridge; this turned out to be very useful for triple balancing at MSC. Wow, I don't even know if fellow Michigan teams like 1918 and 573 have these devices. Please add on to this list!

We have had a kickstand on our robot since Troy, although we have triple balanced without any form of balance assist in less than 20 seconds (with 85 and 910). Our kickstand has also been tested, and we have a triple balance with it (with 4002 and 453). We *should* have some other tricks up our sleeves for next week though ;)

[Daniel Brim]

69 - Mecanum
231 - Long
269 - Wide
281 - Mecanum
342 - Mecanum
384 - Long
744 - Long

Will post more tomorrow evening as I continue to go through teams/scour the internet for photos and videos of each.

[jyh947]

Ok, Galileo, let's fill this scouting sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhBQX1mbZaC_dGFJX19SYTk4RWxhaU9BbU0tenl3X 2c) out!

[BJC]

^ That's much better.. I filled in what was on the earlier list.

[KevinGoneNuts]

I remember people who came and took pictures of our robot but where did you find these images? I'm just really curious. Haha Thanks

[Travis Hoffman]

Hey, we might be getting a bit cluttered here, but can we also get type of drivetrain along with the other info on each bot?

For example, 48 is 6WD (key info to know).

Optional info: 2-speed, 8" pneumatics, no center drop

*****

The difference between a 4WD wide and 6/8WD wide is not insignificant where bridge balancing is concerned.

Of course, if we'd start a Galileo pictures thread like the others, maybe a lot of that info would be self-explanatory from the pics!

EDIT - OK - the Google Doc linked in Post 56 above (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhBQX1mbZaC_dGFJX19SYTk4RWxhaU9BbU0tenl3X 2c) is awesome. We should all be editing that. Thanks!

[nuggetsyl]

Just saw the video of 3322 shooting 6 balls in auto. Clever I loved it.

[Joe Ross]

Similar to what I did in previous years (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (with 9 matches per team, using the FIRST match generator).

I used each team's highest adjusted opr at any event to choose that team's "best event". Then, for that event, I used their unadjusted OPR for their contribution to a match. I also used the hybrid OPR, bridge OPR, teleop OPR to help calculate the standings. For the co-op bridge, I summed the co-op OPR for all 6 robots in the match and compared that to a threshold. When back-testing against regionals, if the threshold was chosen to be close to the number of actual co-ops at the regional, it had a relatively high correlation to the actual results on the co-op bridge. Almost all regionals had a correlation co-efficient of between 0.6 and 0.85. However, at the Michigan State Championship, the correlation coefficient was only 0.3. I believe this is because almost all of the robots there were able to balance so the balances that didn't happen weren't be cause of the robots, but because of luck. I used this method for calculating the co-ops, trying to get a co-op percent of around 60% (higher then most regionals, but lower then MSC). Overall, this isn't a very good way to do it, as it punishes teams at early regionals and regionals where teams did not co-op that much. However, it's included to help simulate the randomness of the rankings this year. All OPR data is from Ed Law's spreadsheet.

I calculated the results for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

Since the standings are much more complicated this year, and the co-op bridge is so important, and there isn't a very good way to simulate it, I looked at both the ranks, the number of qualification points, and the number of wins.

Everyone should attend Karthik's presentation (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=105540) at the championships where he covers "Why 'OPR' is a flawed indicator in Rebound Rumble".

The following were the values that were used in the simulation
Team OPR Teleop Hybrid Bridge Coop
25 30.27 16.65 7.39 6.22 0.75
180 29.14 11.70 10.57 7.34 0.88
399 28.33 15.30 3.78 8.74 0.51
2169 28.04 22.38 7.78 -2.13 0.41
16 27.43 13.09 11.47 2.94 0.84
33 26.41 18.94 4.54 2.92 0.63
2054 24.54 9.78 6.76 8.01 0.66
48 24.38 8.49 10.03 5.86 0.53
3322 24.33 12.87 7.29 4.17 0.91
103 23.48 13.07 7.00 3.36 0.56
1918 22.90 12.33 3.75 6.82 0.57
148 21.97 13.73 4.61 2.11 0.71
1323 21.52 13.61 6.42 2.01 0.77
801 20.65 14.19 4.59 2.33 0.63
1671 20.45 11.19 10.25 0.72 0.15
2337 20.19 5.89 9.74 4.56 0.56
8 19.68 6.56 4.19 8.66 0.60
573 19.58 5.50 7.81 6.27 0.61
1538 19.33 7.23 6.77 5.17 0.71
1714 19.20 12.27 5.99 0.95 1.38
2928 18.65 11.68 3.20 3.49 0.72
1718 18.23 9.75 8.23 0.28 1.48
744 18.20 10.62 7.27 0.49 0.34
1208 18.15 10.66 5.73 1.97 0.79
772 18.15 12.26 6.86 -1.03 0.53
358 17.91 5.18 4.10 8.56 0.56
1574 17.76 6.57 7.80 3.58 0.25
342 17.71 6.39 7.96 3.63 -0.04
868 16.46 10.69 5.85 -0.08 0.32
2016 16.35 6.86 6.06 3.42 0.62
1350 16.20 6.72 3.92 5.94 0.19
2377 16.20 6.51 4.75 5.36 0.25
1732 15.65 5.57 4.54 5.54 1.15
125 15.28 8.63 5.62 1.37 0.55
1425 15.10 7.05 5.54 2.50 0.48
527 14.91 1.93 6.50 6.30 0.48
3196 14.55 6.04 7.57 0.99 0.35
3103 14.31 1.41 7.99 5.29 -0.11
231 14.14 6.17 0.87 7.34 0.47
1747 14.01 3.57 5.53 4.91 0.07
2486 13.87 6.53 4.66 2.99 0.31
815 13.62 4.92 4.67 4.05 0.83
2090 13.48 5.09 6.60 1.87 0.04
533 13.29 6.67 3.83 2.75 0.13
263 13.08 5.97 7.24 -0.13 0.42
2220 12.93 1.67 6.29 5.29 0.81
269 12.79 5.09 5.70 1.99 0.10
2642 12.11 3.78 5.71 2.58 0.29
2439 11.91 3.09 4.36 4.41 0.97
237 11.90 4.87 5.70 1.56 0.71
1108 11.85 3.18 6.82 2.09 0.41
2341 11.54 4.62 1.08 5.97 -0.14
4159 10.67 1.38 5.00 4.75 0.02
4146 10.39 3.44 4.63 3.09 -0.23
4057 10.31 2.31 -2.33 10.33 -0.08
281 9.93 1.93 5.31 2.88 -0.04
69 9.71 4.54 -1.04 5.85 -0.05
1038 8.68 3.09 1.46 3.83 0.25
1011 8.46 6.59 2.80 -0.51 0.33
3453 8.28 2.97 3.88 2.74 -0.12
4099 8.22 1.90 1.58 5.17 -0.14
1305 7.96 0.64 4.37 3.94 0.47
4083 7.91 1.78 0.95 5.54 0.50
3574 7.69 0.22 4.18 2.69 0.73
492 7.47 0.69 4.51 2.30 -0.12
384 7.26 3.04 5.33 -0.70 0.40
3931 6.89 0.84 5.16 0.88 0.08
766 6.80 0.90 1.45 3.69 0.05
1515 6.41 1.38 1.61 3.48 0.25
4031 5.91 1.97 0.41 3.53 -0.20
870 5.18 -2.07 -1.63 9.35 0.35
168 5.07 2.88 0.76 1.11 0.00
1831 4.85 3.89 -0.33 1.22 0.05
3142 4.68 1.04 2.34 1.26 0.53
3784 4.60 2.37 2.40 -0.17 0.22
1583 4.60 1.67 1.87 1.23 0.33
3189 4.47 1.52 1.27 2.64 0.65
771 4.41 1.33 0.77 -0.23 -0.01
1262 4.05 -0.47 3.12 1.21 0.17
3173 3.87 4.29 0.55 -0.69 -0.22
4013 3.81 1.93 -0.76 2.87 0.14
4394 3.57 -0.83 2.19 2.26 0.19
4028 3.36 1.25 1.52 0.60 0.28
296 3.21 0.41 -0.40 3.23 0.18
1212 3.10 2.08 -0.32 1.92 -0.01
4090 3.01 3.96 -0.51 -0.33 -0.13
568 2.28 -0.03 -2.01 4.34 0.03
3981 1.78 2.01 -1.67 1.46 -0.02
4372 1.49 -0.55 0.62 1.43 0.08
4353 1.42 2.65 -0.28 0.11 0.37
3530 1.05 -1.56 0.77 1.85 -0.19
585 1.03 4.19 -1.78 -0.97 0.02
3259 0.83 -0.22 -0.57 1.58 0.60
2704 0.16 1.93 -1.32 -0.49 -0.24
2010 0.02 -2.13 2.36 -0.05 0.27
2339 -0.08 0.05 -2.04 1.52 0.34
3925 -0.50 -0.56 0.34 -0.36 -0.13
2158 -0.55 0.80 -0.56 -0.67 -0.03
151 -1.15 -0.19 0.54 -1.64 0.05
1382 -3.74 -5.07 1.77 -0.15 0.19


Seeds:
avg med mode min max stdev top8 #1
25 9.24 7 3 1 39 7.68 115 13
180 6.95 4 1 1 31 6.84 137 42
399 19.09 18 19 1 62 11.20 35 3
2169 17.19 15 12 1 74 12.05 47 3
16 8.91 6 1 1 42 8.16 118 31
33 17.12 15 2 1 60 12.29 63 5
2054 14.28 12 6 1 45 10.47 78 10
48 21.94 20 15 1 73 13.76 34 4
3322 10.66 7 6 1 52 9.74 111 18
103 21.16 19 10 1 66 13.24 37 3
1918 23.98 22 12 1 74 14.28 27 1
148 18.77 17 4 1 60 12.69 51 2
1323 16.15 14 7 1 56 10.96 59 6
801 23.28 21.5 24 1 63 13.36 27 2
1671 36.41 36 39 4 91 17.30 6 0
2337 22.65 20 12 1 81 15.08 38 5
8 27.46 26 19 1 84 15.07 19 1
573 21.68 19 11 1 66 14.36 38 1
1538 22.17 21 24 1 75 14.08 32 2
1714 11.96 11 8 1 46 8.82 86 10
2928 22.89 20 20 1 69 13.85 28 1
1718 9.23 7 1 1 53 8.35 117 27
744 38.23 38 38 2 92 18.06 8 0
1208 22.43 21 8 1 69 14.91 44 4
772 27.33 25 29 1 74 16.69 24 1
358 30.08 29 21 2 81 15.59 13 0
1574 38.27 38 29 3 92 18.24 6 0
342 49.95 49 39 5 98 17.55 1 0
868 39.82 38 42 2 86 16.65 2 0
2016 28.79 26 30 1 77 16.34 20 2
1350 46.97 47 25 4 90 19.46 5 0
2377 42.73 42 43 7 99 16.99 1 0
1732 18.41 17 3 1 57 12.57 52 2
125 33.31 30 19 2 83 17.32 11 0
1425 33.48 33 32 5 77 15.89 9 0
527 36.69 36 19 2 82 16.98 6 0
3196 39.17 38.5 39 2 85 17.69 5 0
3103 60.37 62 72 16 97 18.82 0 0
231 39.89 38.5 39 4 87 16.96 5 0
1747 55.95 55.5 49 6 100 18.38 1 0
2486 44.46 44.5 49 3 91 18.11 5 0
815 28.84 27 22 2 68 14.92 15 0
2090 56.98 54 40 14 96 18.27 0 0
533 56.31 56 50 11 99 17.59 0 0
263 43.02 41 41 6 94 17.74 5 0
2220 28.96 28 29 2 77 16.66 19 0
269 54.32 54 60 8 98 19.70 1 0
2642 46.67 47 40 5 92 18.54 1 0
2439 26.46 25 18 2 74 14.51 20 0
237 32.01 29.5 21 1 79 16.50 10 1
1108 41.89 41 55 4 92 18.25 3 0
2341 70.73 72 67 32 100 16.90 0 0
4159 61.21 60 60 19 99 18.41 0 0
4146 72.05 74 71 12 100 18.00 0 0
4057 73.46 75 62 23 100 17.15 0 0
281 66.59 68 89 11 100 19.08 0 0
69 69.06 69 70 18 100 17.31 0 0
1038 59.58 60 75 18 96 19.66 0 0
1011 55.47 55 51 8 96 18.07 1 0
3453 73.08 76 78 25 100 16.14 0 0
4099 76.64 79 84 23 100 16.51 0 0
1305 50.91 50 50 9 92 17.18 0 0
4083 52.95 53.5 69 10 98 18.58 0 0
3574 40.70 38 36 7 88 16.60 1 0
492 77.50 81 88 20 100 16.04 0 0
384 54.69 55 68 12 99 16.84 0 0
3931 65.98 69 83 8 99 18.92 1 0
766 73.23 75 90 27 99 16.03 0 0
1515 66.07 67.5 57 25 99 17.35 0 0
4031 82.84 86 93 37 100 14.14 0 0
870 64.44 65 61 11 100 18.91 0 0
168 75.87 77 79 33 100 15.17 0 0
1831 75.51 78.5 94 15 100 16.95 0 0
3142 55.49 56 44 18 95 17.67 0 0
3784 67.32 67 84 12 100 17.53 0 0
1583 63.83 64.5 77 17 97 17.46 0 0
3189 53.58 54 71 4 96 19.47 2 0
771 78.30 81.5 94 34 100 15.49 0 0
1262 70.14 70.5 65 32 100 16.38 0 0
3173 84.73 88 96 37 100 13.20 0 0
4013 75.65 77 88 25 100 16.47 0 0
4394 71.25 76 84 13 100 18.50 0 0
4028 67.96 69 74 14 98 16.74 0 0
296 73.46 76 87 22 100 17.32 0 0
1212 79.95 83 97 27 100 15.39 0 0
4090 82.47 86 96 30 100 14.84 0 0
568 80.92 84 92 36 100 15.17 0 0
3981 83.95 87 100 44 100 13.40 0 0
4372 81.12 85 85 27 100 14.69 0 0
4353 70.82 72 77 16 100 17.49 0 0
3530 87.48 91 100 39 100 11.77 0 0
585 83.55 87 94 36 100 13.47 0 0
3259 60.52 60.5 68 21 99 17.96 0 0
2704 90.69 95 100 51 100 10.55 0 0
2010 73.76 74 85 21 100 16.41 0 0
2339 72.13 73 67 23 100 17.46 0 0
3925 88.68 92 99 51 100 10.59 0 0
2158 85.91 89 89 47 100 11.95 0 0
151 82.40 86 96 25 100 14.11 0 0
1382 80.68 83 95 34 100 13.73 0 0


QPs:
avg med mode min max stdev Perfect
25 28.66 29 30 21 36 2.90 1
180 29.19 30 30 22 36 3.06 2
399 25.92 26 26 16 32 3.01 0
2169 25.72 26 26 14 34 3.26 0
16 28.29 28 28 20 36 3.20 2
33 26.46 26 26 16 34 3.30 0
2054 26.97 27 26 20 34 3.26 0
48 24.35 24 24 14 34 3.55 0
3322 28.17 28 28 18 36 3.22 1
103 24.96 25 26 16 34 3.56 0
1918 24.84 24.5 26 14 34 3.67 0
148 25.98 26 24 18 34 3.51 0
1323 26.50 26 26 18 34 3.20 0
801 24.74 25 26 16 32 3.28 0
1671 20.89 20.5 22 11 28 3.60 0
2337 24.16 24 26 13 33 3.88 0
8 24.03 24 26 13 34 3.65 0
573 24.63 24 26 15 34 3.64 0
1538 24.71 24 24 14 34 3.60 0
1714 27.88 28 28 20 36 2.83 1
2928 25.20 26 26 14 32 3.42 0
1718 28.61 28 28 18 35 3.07 0
744 20.82 20 22 10 30 3.97 0
1208 24.85 25 22 16 36 3.75 1
772 23.42 24 24 14 34 3.91 0
358 23.23 23 22 13 32 3.58 0
1574 20.61 20 22 10 28 3.88 0
342 18.19 18 20 8 30 3.46 0
868 20.55 20 20 10 30 3.51 0
2016 23.25 24 22 13 34 3.88 0
1350 19.51 20 20 10 30 4.03 0
2377 20.16 20 20 7 28 3.53 0
1732 26.18 26 26 18 35 3.42 0
125 22.12 22 24 12 30 3.82 0
1425 21.96 22 22 14 30 3.47 0
527 21.15 21.5 22 11 32 3.73 0
3196 20.49 20 18 12 31 3.76 0
3103 16.11 16 16 8 26 3.72 0
231 21.42 22 22 12 30 3.58 0
1747 17.21 17 16 8 30 3.82 0
2486 19.83 20 20 10 32 3.85 0
815 23.38 24 24 14 32 3.46 0
2090 16.85 17.5 18 8 26 3.57 0
533 17.46 18 18 6 28 3.62 0
263 19.76 20 20 10 28 3.65 0
2220 23.22 23 22 14 34 3.85 0
269 17.52 18 16 7 26 4.07 0
2642 19.13 19 18 10 28 3.74 0
2439 24.13 24 26 16 34 3.51 0
237 22.40 22 24 13 34 3.66 0
1108 20.03 20 18 10 29 3.80 0
2341 14.84 14 14 6 22 3.54 0
4159 16.23 16 16 8 24 3.70 0
4146 13.81 14 14 2 28 4.06 0
4057 14.66 15 16 6 24 3.79 0
281 15.06 15 14 4 28 4.00 0
69 15.47 16 16 4 26 3.66 0
1038 17.15 17 18 8 26 3.96 0
1011 17.81 18 18 8 30 3.72 0
3453 13.84 14 16 6 24 3.54 0
4099 13.25 14 14 4 24 3.71 0
1305 18.57 18 18 10 28 3.50 0
4083 18.66 18 18 8 28 3.80 0
3574 20.81 21 22 10 28 3.48 0
492 12.57 12 10 4 24 3.71 0
384 17.61 18 16 8 28 3.45 0
3931 15.24 15 18 6 28 3.88 0
766 14.42 14 14 6 23 3.45 0
1515 15.80 16 16 8 24 3.60 0
4031 12.11 12 12 4 22 3.36 0
870 16.61 16 18 6 28 3.82 0
168 13.62 14 14 4 22 3.61 0
1831 13.79 14 14 2 27 3.90 0
3142 17.93 18 20 8 26 3.62 0
3784 15.34 16 16 4 28 3.89 0
1583 16.31 16 16 8 26 3.55 0
3189 18.59 18 18 8 30 3.92 0
771 12.95 13 10 2 22 3.78 0
1262 14.60 15 16 4 22 3.59 0
3173 11.31 11 10 2 21 3.56 0
4013 14.10 14 16 2 24 3.56 0
4394 14.56 14 14 4 28 4.10 0
4028 15.37 16 14 8 27 3.46 0
296 14.43 14 14 6 26 3.85 0
1212 12.86 12 12 4 24 3.65 0
4090 12.28 12 12 2 23 3.75 0
568 12.92 12 12 4 22 3.65 0
3981 12.19 12 10 2 22 3.40 0
4372 12.44 12 12 4 22 3.46 0
4353 15.01 15 14 6 26 3.70 0
3530 10.54 10 12 4 20 3.37 0
585 12.22 12 12 2 22 3.48 0
3259 17.40 18 18 6 26 3.53 0
2704 9.78 10 8 2 20 3.48 0
2010 13.95 14 12 4 24 3.68 0
2339 14.91 16 16 6 26 3.83 0
3925 10.40 10 10 1 19 3.26 0
2158 11.46 12 12 4 20 3.36 0
151 12.09 12 12 4 25 3.43 0
1382 12.32 12 12 4 22 3.36 0



Wins:
avg med mode min max stdev Perfect
25 7.56 8 8 4 9 0.99 31
180 7.41 8 8 4 9 1.13 34
399 7.20 7 7 4 9 1.10 27
2169 7.30 7.5 8 3 9 1.21 27
16 7.14 7 8 4 9 1.18 27
33 7.01 7 8 3 9 1.28 21
2054 6.97 7 7 4 9 1.16 12
48 6.40 6.5 7 2 9 1.35 8
3322 6.74 7 7 3 9 1.25 11
103 6.46 6 7 4 9 1.18 7
1918 6.46 7 7 3 9 1.45 12
148 6.38 6 7 3 9 1.29 11
1323 6.37 6 6 3 9 1.29 11
801 6.18 6 6 3 9 1.36 5
1671 6.18 6 6 2 9 1.35 3
2337 6.05 6 6 2 9 1.41 5
8 5.80 6 6 2 9 1.51 1
573 6.16 6 7 3 9 1.38 7
1538 5.82 6 6 2 9 1.41 5
1714 5.48 6 6 2 9 1.33 2
2928 6.04 6 6 2 9 1.35 5
1718 5.51 5 5 2 9 1.41 1
744 5.48 5 5 2 9 1.44 2
1208 5.52 5.5 5 1 9 1.50 3
772 5.77 6 5 1 9 1.55 5
358 5.66 6 7 1 9 1.44 3
1574 5.62 6 6 2 9 1.37 1
342 5.68 6 6 1 9 1.38 1
868 5.26 5 5 2 8 1.42 0
2016 5.34 5 6 2 9 1.55 5
1350 5.19 5 5 2 9 1.56 4
2377 5.36 5 6 1 8 1.41 0
1732 5.04 5 5 1 9 1.54 1
125 5.08 5 5 1 8 1.48 0
1425 5.30 5 6 2 9 1.44 1
527 5.05 5 5 0 9 1.58 2
3196 5.08 5 5 1 8 1.37 0
3103 4.85 5 5 1 8 1.46 0
231 4.94 5 6 1 8 1.46 0
1747 4.71 5 5 1 9 1.48 1
2486 4.87 5 5 0 8 1.48 0
815 4.66 5 5 1 9 1.47 1
2090 4.75 5 4 1 8 1.48 0
533 4.66 5 5 1 9 1.59 1
263 4.58 4 4 1 8 1.38 0
2220 4.66 5 5 1 8 1.63 0
269 4.60 5 5 1 9 1.55 1
2642 4.83 5 6 1 9 1.43 1
2439 4.54 5 5 1 9 1.64 1
237 4.66 5 5 0 8 1.53 0
1108 4.51 4 4 1 8 1.49 0
2341 4.33 4 4 1 8 1.42 0
4159 4.49 5 5 1 8 1.59 0
4146 4.26 4 5 0 8 1.51 0
4057 4.09 4 4 1 8 1.55 0
281 4.11 4 4 0 8 1.43 0
69 4.23 4 5 1 8 1.46 0
1038 3.94 4 4 0 7 1.51 0
1011 3.85 4 4 1 8 1.42 0
3453 3.70 4 3 1 8 1.40 0
4099 3.70 4 4 0 9 1.43 1
1305 3.61 4 4 0 7 1.37 0
4083 3.72 4 3 0 8 1.44 0
3574 3.72 4 4 0 7 1.33 0
492 3.45 3 3 0 7 1.43 0
384 3.59 3 3 1 8 1.35 0
3931 3.64 4 4 1 7 1.41 0
766 3.47 3 3 1 7 1.26 0
1515 3.23 3 3 0 7 1.35 0
4031 3.37 3 3 0 7 1.40 0
870 3.27 3 4 0 8 1.51 0
168 3.17 3 3 0 7 1.39 0
1831 3.04 3 3 0 7 1.41 0
3142 3.11 3 3 0 8 1.35 0
3784 3.04 3 3 0 6 1.35 0
1583 3.10 3 3 0 7 1.35 0
3189 2.93 3 3 0 7 1.51 0
771 2.81 3 2 0 7 1.46 0
1262 3.06 3 3 0 7 1.41 0
3173 2.92 3 3 0 6 1.37 0
4013 2.79 3 3 0 7 1.33 0
4394 2.96 3 2 0 7 1.45 0
4028 2.80 3 2 0 8 1.36 0
296 2.80 3 2 0 6 1.43 0
1212 2.80 3 2 0 8 1.47 0
4090 2.93 3 3 0 6 1.42 0
568 2.75 3 3 0 6 1.31 0
3981 2.57 3 3 0 6 1.24 0
4372 2.30 2 2 0 7 1.34 0
4353 2.46 2 2 0 5 1.27 0
3530 2.49 2 2 0 7 1.37 0
585 2.39 2 2 0 6 1.31 0
3259 2.52 2 2 0 6 1.32 0
2704 2.17 2 2 0 6 1.26 0
2010 2.25 2 2 0 7 1.38 0
2339 2.45 2 3 0 6 1.40 0
3925 2.22 2 2 0 5 1.27 0
2158 2.19 2 2 0 5 1.27 0
151 2.18 2 2 0 7 1.27 0
1382 1.63 2 2 0 5 1.12 0

[Gary Dillard]

Hmmmmmmmmmm SPAM was #1 seed at both of their regionals, finalist in one and winner in the other, 2nd highest OPR & World ranking in the division, Joe's simulation seems to like them, yet noone posting seems to think they are a contender. They must be flying under the radar. I have a feeling that they may have kept a few tricks in their bag just for the Championship. It's been 10 years since their last Einstein appearance; could this be their year?

[George1902]

They must be flying under the radar.I don't mind that too much, actually...

Good luck, everyone!

[Rashek]

I just wanted to post what my research has showed me about the teams on Galileo. I came up with this data by going down the entire listof the field. Next I looked up these teams on FRC Spyder. Anytime that scored 200+ in any of the categories I wrote down. After I figured out those teams I copied the information onto an excel spreadsheet.

The numbers I used were a mix from each of the competitions. For example: Say a team went to three competitions. At Competition A they had their best teleop points. At Competition B they had their best hybrid. At Competition C they had their best balancing. So I would used the teleop from A, the hybrid from B, and the balancing from C.

Next I added all the numbers together in order to come up with a grand total of points. I then arranged the grand totals in descending order. I came up with the following:

Team # HP BP TP Grand Total
2054 227 200 289 716
33 195 130 380 705
1918 235 140 269 644
25 175 120 329 624
2337 234 150 239 623
1718 166 150 260 576
2016 205 140 209 554
3322 166 100 285 551
180 175 120 209 504
2169 155 30 317 502
103 136 110 223 469
48 154 70 240 464
1323 132 50 240 422
801 116 90 215 421
399 93 110 206 409
868 148 50 211 409
772 137 50 204 391
148 97 50 208 355

I am well aware of the fact that FRC Spyder doesn't count the elimination matches, and therefore this spredsheet isn't 100% accurate. This is my first time doing anything like this so any feedback woul be greatly appreciated.

[flippy147852]

Next I added all the numbers together in order to come up with a grand total of points. I then arranged the grand totals in descending order. I came up with the following:

Team # HP BP TP Grand Total
2054 227 200 289 716
33 195 130 380 705
1918 235 140 269 644
25 175 120 329 624
2337 234 150 239 623
1718 166 150 260 576
2016 205 140 209 554
3322 166 100 285 551
180 175 120 209 504
2169 155 30 317 502
103 136 110 223 469
48 154 70 240 464
1323 132 50 240 422
801 116 90 215 421
399 93 110 206 409
868 148 50 211 409
772 137 50 204 391
148 97 50 208 355



I like the Michigan bias, first of all (6 of the top 10 are Michigan teams :D ) That being said, BP isn't a very accurate metric without adding some sort of coopertition compensation. I don't have the data in front of me right now, but I am sure that the rankings would change with coopertition.

[David Smellie]

I just wanted to post what my research has showed me about the teams on Galileo. I came up with this data by going down the entire listof the field. Next I looked up these teams on FRC Spyder. Anytime that scored 200+ in any of the categories I wrote down. After I figured out those teams I copied the information onto an excel spreadsheet.

The numbers I used were a mix from each of the competitions. For example: Say a team went to three competitions. At Competition A they had their best teleop points. At Competition B they had their best hybrid. At Competition C they had their best balancing. So I would used the teleop from A, the hybrid from B, and the balancing from C.

Next I added all the numbers together in order to come up with a grand total of points. I then arranged the grand totals in descending order. I came up with the following:

Team # HP BP TP Grand Total
2054 227 200 289 716
33 195 130 380 705
1918 235 140 269 644
25 175 120 329 624
2337 234 150 239 623
1718 166 150 260 576
2016 205 140 209 554
3322 166 100 285 551
180 175 120 209 504
2169 155 30 317 502
103 136 110 223 469
48 154 70 240 464
1323 132 50 240 422
801 116 90 215 421
399 93 110 206 409
868 148 50 211 409
772 137 50 204 391
148 97 50 208 355

I am well aware of the fact that FRC Spyder doesn't count the elimination matches, and therefore this spredsheet isn't 100% accurate. This is my first time doing anything like this so any feedback woul be greatly appreciated.

The primary problem with this method is that FRC Spyder calculates alliance scores not individual robot scores. As such this will produce a bias towards teams in deeper regional events (ie MSC and MAR). The top ten appears to confirm this bias as the top eight teams are from these two regions. When looking at this data, be sure to consider this fact.

[Rashek]

I am aware of both of these problems. This was just a last minute thing I put together.

[Cory]

The primary problem with this method is that FRC Spyder calculates alliance scores not individual robot scores. As such this will produce a bias towards teams in deeper regional events (ie MSC and MAR). The top ten appears to confirm this bias as the top eight teams are from these two regions. When looking at this data, be sure to consider this fact.

The bigger problem is that you need to normalize to either a per match basis or a 10 match schedule, as many events got more or less than 10 qual matches.

[maverickfan138]

It would be interesting to see how that list would look with the rest of the division considered. For instance, 573 at MSC scored 234 HP, 170 BP, and 239 TP for a total of 613 points. That places them in between 2337 and 1718, and I'm sure there are other teams who would be thrown into the mix.

[Rashek]

I'm sorry 573 Somehow I must have forgot to put you guys into that list. I don't know how that happened.

[EricS-Team180]

I have a feeling that they may have kept a few tricks in their bag just for the Championship.

A new wrinkle? I can neither confirm nor deny.... :-) It's good to see to 801 and 744 hanging out in the top 25 of Joe's list. Can't wait to mix it up in this division!

[maverickfan138]

I'm sorry 573 Somehow I must have forgot to put you guys into that list. I don't know how that happened.

No worries. You did say it was a quick job so a slip up is understandable.

[John G]

Team 399 has successfully tested our "stinger" / balancing assist mechanism. Can't wait to use it. Only 5 more days!!!

[Travis Hoffman]

10 minute montage (we're gonna need a montaggggge (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/185666/thats-called-a-montage)) of Team 48 and (eventually) Team 3193 practicing long-short-long triple balancing - all the highs and the lows. Enjoy, if you dare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1wugVzdhG0

[slijin]

10 minute montage (we're gonna need a montaggggge (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/185666/thats-called-a-montage)) of Team 48 and (eventually) Team 3193 practicing long-short-long triple balancing - all the highs and the lows. Enjoy, if you dare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1wugVzdhG0

Looks nice!

Was there a reason you never tried reversing the orientations of one of the long bots so that the CG was closer to the center than the edge?

[Travis Hoffman]

Looks nice!

Was there a reason you never tried reversing the orientations of one of the long bots so that the CG was closer to the center than the edge?

3193's weight is actually front-biased a bit, so they were in the proper orientation. Note what happened whenever we applied forward force to the center robot later in the video - which way did 3193 tilt? :)

They do not have a stinger or bridge tender in the rear of their bot. There is actually not much at all back there - the internal guts of their bot are laid out very differently from ours. Plus the pivoting arms let either of us shift the CG further toward the front.

They might have had a similar result driving up backwards and tilting their arm all the way back, but I think we prefer this configuration; plus it was more symmetric and therefore looked cooler!

48's CG is very slightly rear of center, but with the stinger, we kinda need to be pointing that way. As you can see, we can hang quite a bit of the rear bot off the bridge and be comfortably balanced. Tilting the arm forward helps with stability. You can be assured we'll be pushing ours as far forward as possible, into contact with the center bot during any triple opportunities - we promise we'll be gentle!

For the record, the center "bot" in practice (donated by Team 46 ;) ) was close to a max length 28" widebot frame.

[hammerhead_399]

Recently an encoder for our shooter motors busted and we are in need of a new one. It is a US Digital S4-128-250-B-D. I have attached pictures for reference.

Link to original thread(with pictures): http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=105887

Message me or send us an email (team399@gmail.com) if you have one we can borrow.

We'll throw in a pair of free RoboProm tickets for whomever loans us an encoder if you want

[Bjensen2928]

This is what our scouters got so far:

8 Long
16 Long
25 Long
33 Wide
48 Long
103 Long
125 Long
148 Wide
180 Wide
237 Long
358 Wide
399 Wide
527 Wide
573 Long
744 Long
772 Long
801 Wide
815 Long
868 Long
1208 Wide
1323 Long
1350 Wide
1538 Long
1574 Long
1671 Wide
1714 Wide
1718 Wide
1732 Wide
1918 Wide
2016 Wide
2054 Long
2169 Wide
2220 Long
2337 Long
2377 Wide
2439 Long
2486 Long
2928 Long
3196 Wide
3322 Wide

Hope it helps.

-Clinton-

Edit: 2928 Wide,
thats what helped us with triple balancing in Seattle. (Olympic Field)

[S.P.A.M.er]

Hmmmmmmmmmm SPAM was #1 seed at both of their regionals, finalist in one and winner in the other, 2nd highest OPR & World ranking in the division, Joe's simulation seems to like them, yet noone posting seems to think they are a contender. They must be flying under the radar. I have a feeling that they may have kept a few tricks in their bag just for the Championship. It's been 10 years since their last Einstein appearance; could this be their year?

Yes It is time for a SPAM appearance in Einstein.

[IKE]

I just wanted to post what my research ....

Next I added all the numbers together in order to come up with a grand total of points. I then arranged the grand totals in descending order. I came up with the following:

Team # HP BP TP Grand Total
2054 227 200 289 716
...
I am well aware of the fact that FRC Spyder doesn't count the elimination matches, and therefore this spredsheet isn't 100% accurate. This is my first time doing anything like this so any feedback woul be greatly appreciated.

I really like that you are looking at the data but... this is kind of bad math gone wrong scenario. As others have stated, you have two factors contributing to a lot of possible error.

#1 12 matches at FiM & MAR versus 8-10 matches most other regionals. If you normalize per match, you will get a much better metric.

#2 Alliance partners. The metric above can be highly dependent on alliance partners. When a robot is scoring around 2X the average, in theory they are only responsible for 50% 0f the points (2X+X+X)=4X & 2X/4X=50%...). Since MSC and MAR are "qualified" events, the average strength of the participant is significantly different from most regionals.


The general trends are often reasonable (highest scorer will be highest), but trying to sort with any sort of fidelity requires additional work.

Look at some of the normalizing functions (dividing by number of matches, normalizing to event strength...). Normalizing function have their own problems as well.
In 2010, from an OPR perspective, 3 robots all at an OPR of 2 (about 2X national average) could actually combine to be worth 8-10 pts. versus the predicted 6 pts. in a match doing zone strategy.
In 2011, at really deep fields, OPR was actually driven down as 60+60+60 would often equal 120 due to the digresive scoring last year. Thus teams taht had really good partners at a strong event might actually see their OPR go down as they more frequently got into the stronger digresive scoring regions .

[akoscielski3]

Team 772 has a Robot Information/Overview page for all teams. Please take a look at it in the attachments below.

Something about our robot that I would like to point out for all teams is that it is Possible for us to triple balance! Our robot can hang 17" off the bridge, taking up only 22" of the bridge (with bumpers).

Good Luck to all teams at Championships!

[rick.oliver]

1038 at Smoky

[E-Stop]

To add to that list 342 is also wide but everyone should have that by now. Matches seem to be getting harder and harder. Anyone notice anything awesome in our division or anything that happened in the matches that was really cool? I know 342 and 537 co-oped in literally5 seconds with the robots hanging off the edge.

[gyroscopeRaptor]

Does anyone know what's happening to 2169? They have sunk like a stone in the rankings.

[efoote868]

Just ran the OPR for results so far, figured I'd post in case anyone is interested.


180 40.1219
33 37.0848
148 36.0994
868 35.0515
744 34.6639
25 32.9627
3103 30.8391
2054 30.2903
2016 29.8592
1718 27.9295
573 27.9071
3173 26.9689
3453 26.0827
1323 25.6239
48 24.566
1918 24.3989
2169 24.1908
801 23.4026
3322 23.2505
269 23.1771
16 22.8063
1732 21.7211
1574 21.6791
4394 21.6502
2928 21.5575
4372 20.6242
1714 20.2901
3142 19.7537
2486 19.5091
1583 19.4965
231 19.2465
1305 19.2262
2439 18.8826
492 18.4234
1038 18.2836
237 17.9422
1350 17.7897
358 17.6638
1538 17.1042
2337 17.0359
1671 17.0301
533 16.9463
1208 16.3586
2010 15.841
3574 15.5875
4057 15.1774
1425 15.1184
3530 15.0245
3925 14.4958
103 14.0242
870 13.5901
2220 12.1548
384 11.9665
815 11.8108
4159 11.7794
1262 11.6797
2339 11.6545
771 11.647
125 11.552
766 11.4937
568 11.4033
527 10.892
8 10.4584
1011 10.1324
2158 9.94262
1515 8.75977
772 8.74136
3196 8.49061
2377 8.41885
281 8.15301
399 8.13106
296 8.07278
2090 8.0171
585 7.3832
1747 7.37449
69 7.27027
1382 6.77873
4146 6.55601
342 6.45622
4031 6.24064
3189 6.22137
3931 5.64647
3784 5.46039
2642 5.3852
4099 5.33062
1831 4.97288
3259 4.67095
2341 4.53083
168 4.27748
263 4.17336
4090 3.96362
4013 2.61065
151 1.94046
4083 1.72622
4028 1.13921
1108 0.975128
2704 0.153195
1212 -1.52536
4353 -3.85425
3981 -5.01059

[EnTech281]

Who are people thinking about picking? Any sleepers? <3 281 strategy meeting

[akoscielski3]

We finally got everything worked out on our robot and had a great last match with 148! 21-72 (us). We will be ready for Eliminations tomorrow and are back to our FULL Potential.

[rainbowdash]

How is OPR calculated?

[efoote868]

As far as I understand it, it's a bit of linear algebra. Every match played at an event is loaded into a matrix, and then an attempt is made to find the best solution (the number of points a team contributes to the match).

You can read more about it in this thread
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=75272

There's also a presentation by Dr. Ed Law on theredalliance.com, under scouting.

[CNettles11]

180, 25 and 16 are moving on to Einstein from Galileo.

[rainbowdash]

We are doing so welll! Go galileo!!!

[andreamroz]

I have to say I enjoyed watching all the teams on this field. What an awesome field of teams. I wish our World Champions all the best next season!

[leeivyca]

Great to hear that the Galileo winners were able to take the big prize. I do have one question, though. Our team (766) was in Galileo this year, but my son and I didn't make the long trip to St. Louis. We followed the webcast for a while but had to attend another event when Einstein was played, so we missed getting to see it. I'm curious about this message from Jon Dudas that was sent out to all the teams today:

Thank you for your incredible enthusiasm and Gracious Professionalism throughout the year and at the Championship. We apologize for the technical problems that affected the final matches at our Championship. We will examine all of the facts, report our findings and ultimately solve any and all identified issues.

Can anyone tell me what the problems were?
Thanks all

[bduddy]

Great to hear that the Galileo winners were able to take the big prize. I do have one question, though. Our team (766) was in Galileo this year, but my son and I didn't make the long trip to St. Louis. We followed the webcast for a while but had to attend another event when Einstein was played, so we missed getting to see it. I'm curious about this message from Jon Dudas that was sent out to all the teams today:

Thank you for your incredible enthusiasm and Gracious Professionalism throughout the year and at the Championship. We apologize for the technical problems that affected the final matches at our Championship. We will examine all of the facts, report our findings and ultimately solve any and all identified issues.

Can anyone tell me what the problems were?
Thanks allThere were communications problems during every match, including robots that did not move during entire matches. This should give you an idea: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106034

[leeivyca]

There were communications problems during every match, including robots that did not move during entire matches. This should give you an idea: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106034

Thanks, I glanced at this thread and I can understand why everyone was upset. Let's hope they come up with a better field design next year.

[chmconkling]

One other thing that was not said on here was our rookie team that finished 10th on Galileo and was highest rookie seed on Galileo and highest rookie seed overall on the 4 fields. The robot was built in 2 weeks and had no shooter,just a rolling chassis with a strong pneumatic bridge arm. ::safety::

[akoscielski3]

Though Championships was fun and i am really happy that Galileo won, our team had an unfortunate time there. We had some more ball jamming problems. The drive was acting up again, which was discovered to be a blown Jaguar. Our shooter became less accurate, and not as strong (balls didn't go as far for how fast the wheel was spinning). We couldn't get the accurate shots we got from the fender in Queen City, or the accurate shots we got in Smoky Mountains from the Key. It was a shock to us that we went 4-5 and had only a few co-op points.

We were happy to see our alliance partners 234 and 3259 again. What great teams. They are some of the nicest people i have talked to. We were glad we got to balance once again with 3259, like we did to win the Smokey mountains regional when 234 was dead on the field.

Great Job Galileo!

I cant wait to see how our team does next year now :D Especially cause it will be my last year on the team as a student. :(

[cmrnpizzo14]

Did anyone notice 3173 in Galileo? Just wondering what people thought of arguably the most improved robot from their regional to the championships. We ended up as the 3rd ranked alliance captain and unfortunately lost in the 1st round of elims, but with the strong Galileo competition there really is no shame in that.

[donnie99]

Was it any surprise that Galileo won another championship? We had been in the top eight in both our regionals and we didn't even come close to being a top alliance. It was amazing to see a 4th seeded alliance come out Galileo to win the whole thing. Congrats to 180, 25, and 16, for showing what classic teams can do!

[AlexD744]

As a senior, I can honestly say there was no better way to go out than how we did on Galileo this year. It was a BLAST!

First to 180, 25 and 16. That was an absolutely phenomenal alliance. 16 was an absolute steal, and I don't think anyone else realized their potential for defense. It was so frustrating to be playing with no balls on our side of the field. Great strategy. 180 and 25 were extremely consistent shooters. Amazing alliance. It is also fun being able to say that we beat the world champions in a match. :D

231 and 1714, it was a pleasure to work with you. The strategies that we played were perfect and the matches were probably some of the most exciting that have hit FIRST in a while. I think there were 3 matches that we won by only 1 point, and one was by a human player shot. Strategy was definitely key to our success. I bet we could have taken it to the next level if we had been able to practice the triple balance before the final match. We were sooooo close.

To the refs, great job all weekend, I had absolutely no complaints about the calls made.

To the queuing staff, sorry it took me so long to understand how it worked haha.

All in all, a great weekend, and I hope to have one more chance to drive that robot at IRI. :D

[steelerborn]

It was loads of fun to compete against 231,744, and 1714. Those two matches were probably the best our team has ever been in. With a one point loss in the first match, and a three point loss in the second it was a nail biter till the end.

Thanks to teams 3173, and 868 the elimination matches were fun, and I can't wait to play with you guys again soon.