Frisbees for Ultimate Ascent

[malay_shashank]

Hi all! I hope you're excited for Ultimate Ascent!!!

Has anyone been able to find the frisbee product online or at any store? the Part is a Wham-O Frisbee Super Flyer, Item number 53214. I am unable to find it anywhere except for on wham-o.com, and I can't even buy it there. I tried contacting there Customer Service, but it is closed. Has anyone had any luck?

[gothicrockerkid]

contact your schools gym the most likley have fisbees that would would work it worked for us

fabio storley
team 2191

[Racer26]

contact your schools gym the most likley have fisbees that would would work it worked for us

fabio storley
team 2191

Are you sure what your school's gym gave you is the SAME as the game pieces? Make sure you design your robot around the proper DISC.

[Schnabel]

AndyMark will have the Frisbees for sale per the KOP video. They are also availble via FIRST Choice.

[Bryan Herbst]

They are up on AndyMark. (http://www.andymark.com/FRC-2013-Disc-p/frc-2013.htm) They are $5.50 each.

FIRST has asked them to limit orders to 10 of each color per order this week.

[Racer26]

@Tanis: Total for paid ones too? Or does the 10/color limit only exist for FIRSTChoice ordering?

[Bryan Herbst]

@Tanis: Total for paid ones too? Or does the 10/color limit only exist for FIRSTChoice ordering?

Not sure about FIRSTChoice vs normal ordering, but I believe that the 10 limit is specifically for the normal (ie non-FIRSTChoice) ordering. I'm guessing it applies to both.

Hopefully AndyMark will clarify or someone who asks will post back with the answer.

[Cory]

As a warning, the Wham-o Frisbees found at Sports Authority measure out as correct, but are NOT the same as the game Frisbees.

[Ultimatum]

Does anyone know how reliable to regular shipping will be from Andy Mark on the frisbees? Is it worth paying for the express shipping ($100!).

[Dan Richardson]

As a warning, the Wham-o Frisbees found at Sports Authority measure out as correct, but are NOT the same as the game Frisbees.

What is the most significant differences. The ones we purchased for Robot in 3 Days are 175g which was the only difference based on pure description? FIRST lists them as +/- 5g so it's in spec.

Dan

[Cory]

What is the most significant differences. The ones we purchased for Robot in 3 Days are 175g which was the only difference based on pure description? FIRST lists them as +/- 5g so it's in spec.

Dan

We thought the same thing, but they are completely different. When you compare them to the KOP game pieces, the Sport Authority ones can partially nest inside the game pieces and for lack of a better word are "cupped" more.

I am guessing that the FIRST Frisbee is a custom part.

[JesseK]

I am guessing that the FIRST Frisbee is a custom part.

I went out to my car to get my regulation disc ($3.50 per disc in bulk...) only to come back in, read the rules and :rolleyes:

Of course we're forced into buying non-standard crap again.

[poweljak]

Our team has been trying to buy the frisbee type from the game manual. Wham-O Super Flyer part# 53214. We've tried Target, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Sports Authority and Dunham's to no avail. If anyone know how to get some, help would be appreciated!

[Bryan Herbst]

Your best bet is to get them through AndyMark (http://www.andymark.com/FRC-2013-Disc-p/frc-2013.htm) to ensure that you have the exact same frisbee. They are $5.50 each.

FIRST has asked them to limit orders to 10 of each color per order this week.

I haven't seen anyone successfully match the frisbee in a brick-and-mortar store or through any other online vendors.

[jayjaywalker3]

I went out to my car to get my regulation disc ($3.50 per disc in bulk...) only to come back in, read the rules and :rolleyes:

Of course we're forced into buying non-standard crap again.

As an ultimate frisbee player I could cry over this point. This could be such a beautiful way for ultimate frisbee (a sport I love with it's own version of Gracious Professionalism as a foundation) to spread across the country. This will still help growth immensely but the fact that they use this disc instead of the regulation disc that would actually be cheaper and better is heartbreaking.

[malay_shashank]

What is the most significant differences. The ones we purchased for Robot in 3 Days are 175g which was the only difference based on pure description? FIRST lists them as +/- 5g so it's in spec.

Dan

The FIRST Frisbee is 180 +/- 5g, but regulation frisbees (175g) are usually +/- 2g, so that's more variation than is specified in the rules. My recommendation would be to buy game-specific discs.

Thank you all for the very helpful responses! That's one small crisis averted very quickly :]

[Dan Richardson]

The FIRST Frisbee is 180 +/- 5g, but regulation frisbees (175g) are usually +/- 2g, so that's more variation than is specified in the rules. My recommendation would be to buy game-specific discs.

Thank you all for the very helpful responses! That's one small crisis averted very quickly :]

Thanks, the problem for us is that we are building a robot in 3 days as part of a challenge. Discs won't get here in time...

Time to resort to plan b and find a team nearby... :-)

[inkspell4]

Or you could use the First Choice Credits your team will recieve.

[protoserge]

Does anyone know how reliable to regular shipping will be from Andy Mark on the frisbees? Is it worth paying for the express shipping ($100!).

Don't waste your team resources on shipping if it's not required. Did you get a KoP today?

I get AM orders shipped from Indiana, to Maryland in 2 days with standard FedEx.





IF FIRST Choice still has frisbees in stock, you can opt for 2 white, 1 red, and 1 blue.

[protoserge]

The FIRST Frisbee is 180 +/- 5g, but regulation frisbees (175g) are usually +/- 2g, so that's more variation than is specified in the rules. My recommendation would be to buy game-specific discs.

Thank you all for the very helpful responses! That's one small crisis averted very quickly :]

All of our KoP Frisbees weighed in at 175g +/-3g, but that could be a scale issue. Go by part number if possible with the FRC game, and get the frisbees that will actually be played with.

[Michael Hill]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: WHY CAN'T FIRST USE PRODUCTS IN STOCK IN RETAIL STORES NATIONWIDE?

I've never understood this.

[Siri]

Does anyone know how reliable to regular shipping will be from Andy Mark on the frisbees? Is it worth paying for the express shipping ($100!).You may want to read this first (http://www.andymark.com/Shipping-Info-s/196.htm#amshippingadvantage)

[ehfeinberg]

Guys, take it from an Ultimate player, all discs are different. Even if they are both Whammo Frisbees, most likely they are not the same.

Whammo produces many different types of Frisbees which all have different weights, sizes, and shapes. Often, the most obvious thing that is different between discs is the shape of the rim. The angle between the rim and the bottom of the disc is different in almost every different type of disc. Also, I noticed that these discs are much rounder than a regulation disc (The top is round compared to a regulation disc's top being flat).

Also the weight of the game discs are 180 grams, where as regulation discs are only supposed to be 175 grams. While this 5 gram difference in weight does not seem like much, I can easily feel and see a difference in how the discs fly. A heavier disc takes more angular momentum to spin at the same speed and it also flies farther.

It's a shame that FRC choose Whammo discs as the game pieces. It would have been one thing for them to use regulation Whammo discs, but these discs are just useless for everything but Ultimate Assault.

When a Ultimate player holds a Whammo in his hands, he just wants to chuck it at something and break the disc. We hate Whammos.

[protoserge]

Most likely, it allows FIRST to keep tabs on supply, and provide enough quantity to teams through direct-ordering versus having thousands of retail and independent stores trying to restock their shelves as fast as they are disappearing.

[Jay O'Donnell]

It's a shame that FRC choose Whammo discs as the game pieces. It would have been one thing for them to use regulation Whammo discs, but these discs are just useless for everything but Ultimate Assault

That's like saying basketball players last year thought the balls last year were useless. FIRST isn't trying to match Ultimate Frisbee completely, just use it as a theme. Also, if exact regulation Frisbees were used, sone Human Players would be insanely good at scoring(they still will be). I do agree with you that the small weight difference is something ultimate players will have to get used to, but that's part of the game.

[scaryone]

That's like saying basketball players last year thought the balls last year were useless. FIRST isn't trying to match Ultimate Frisbee completely, just use it as a theme. Also, if exact regulation Frisbees were used, sone Human Players would be insanely good at scoring(they still will be). I do agree with you that the small weight difference is something ultimate players will have to get used to, but that's part of the game.

It's not just the weight. The rim is dramatically different. However, since the barrier is so high, flicking or backhand throws are unlikely. I only see hammers as a reliable throw. Maybe overhead flick.

[F22Rapture]

Or you could use the First Choice Credits your team will recieve.

Yes, but considering the same frisbees only cost $5.50 non-FC, and cost 8 FC credits, it seems like a ridiculously bad use of credits. I mean, $55 Talons (were) selling for 6, and $180 cameras were selling for 8

[DonRotolo]

Yes, but considering the same frisbees only cost $5.50 non-FC, and cost 8 FC credits, it seems like a ridiculously bad use of credits. I mean, $55 Talons (were) selling for 6, and $180 cameras were selling for 8they could've been selling for 1 credit, but now that they are out of stock, it is irrelevant, eh?

[knuckleduster]

I found some misprints at my house (i ordered a lot of disks at one point) and a few are close enough to the comp disk that they could (possibly) be used to save on game pieces. All the actual design would have to rely on the actual game pieces but it will help.

Also disappointed in the lack of standardized game pieces.

[Steven Donow]

Also disappointed in the lack of standardized game pieces.

Compared to previous years, I would consider this year to be VERY standardized (more than likely, who knows what'll happen as the season goes on). Yes, it's not a standard regulation Frisbee, but look at this year's game piece compared to last year's. Last year, ever so often, no two balls were alike. 2011, tube inflation wasn't regulated as much as it needed to be. 2010, I don't remember, but was there any inconsistency in ball inflation? 2009, well, orbit balls were next to impossible to find

[Peyton Yeung]

I think 2010 was the easiest year to get game pieces last year because it was a standard regulation size 5 soccer ball. albeit the cover finish was different it didn't make a big difference. The past few years have made it really hard to go to the store and just buy game pieces.

[Japper]

Because I am at a remote site today, I don't have access to our KOP until tomorrow night. Can someone post the dimensions of the KOP supplied frisbee please? (diameter and height)

Thanks

[malay_shashank]

Because I am at a remote site today, I don't have access to our KOP until tomorrow night. Can someone post the dimensions of the KOP supplied frisbee please? (diameter and height)

Thanks

Diameter - 10 5/8 inches
Height - 1 1/4 inches
Weight - 180 grams +/- 5 grams