Any new regionals next year?

[Anthony S.]

I was just wondering if there were going to be any new regional sites next year. If so where would they possibly be. When would we find out also.

[David Kelly]

I've heard that there could be a new regional in Cleveland, Ohio and possibly in St. Louis, Missouri. I've heard that Cleveland is a very strong possibility and that they would host it at the NASA place there.

[Jay Lundy]

I could be making this up, I'm not sure, but I think I remember hearing about another one in California. If not California I'm pretty sure there is going to be another regional on the West Coast.

[David Kelly]

Originally posted by Jay Lundy
I could be making this up, I'm not sure, but I think I remember hearing about another one in California. If not California I'm pretty sure there is going to be another regional on the West Coast.

Yeah, I heard about one in Seattle, Washington but not until 2003.

[Matt Leese]

I was under the impression that FIRST was pushing for a regional at Seattle NEXT year (2002). I also have heard that Phoenix is another possible site. This information has come to me in a bit of a round about way but it's mostly from NASA. There's also interest in a regional in Worcesther, MA (I can finally spell!). I also believe there was talk of a regional in Toronto. I doubt we'll know how many of those are official until they announce the regional dates in September/October.

Matt who needs to talk to his contact at NASA anyway....

[Lora Knepper]

Originally posted by Matt Leese
...Worcesther, MA (I can finally spell!). .

Nope Matt, not yet. WORCESTER there's no "h" :p

~ lora

[Matt Leese]

What?! How'd that "h" get there?! This time it was a typo and not a spelling mistake. I usually spell it as "Worchester" which Kate kindly reminds me is wrong. ;)

Matt who needs to be able to type better....

[Joe Johnson]

I am guessing that there are 15.

I have heard the Cleveland rumor.

The Seattle regional is supposed to happen some time soon, but who knows when.

I suppose that there are other cities as well that are on the bubble.

I suppose also that some regionals are on the bubble the other way -- on shakey ground as to whether they will come back next year.

My guess is that 15 is as likely a number as any other.

Joe J.

[Nate Smith]

I've heard Seattle and Phoenix as definite possibilities from a very reliable source(someone who was going to take a look at possible sites in those cities after nationals..) so I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of those locations had a regional next year...

[Todd Derbyshire]

I HAVE HEARD TWO RUMORS FOR THE NEW ENGLAND AREA. ONE BEING THE RUMOR THAT THE WILL HOLD A REGIONAL IN WORCESTER( I HOPE I SPELLED THAT RIGHT) MA. THE PROBLEM I BELIEVE THEY HAVE IS THE PRICE OF THE VENUE. THE OTHER RUMOR WAS I THINK FIRST WANTED TO RETURN TO MANCHESTER NH. HAS ANYBODY ELSE HEARD OF THIS?:cool:

[Matt Leese]

First of all try sending messages WITHOUT the caps lock key on. :) Secondly, as far as the Manchester, NH regional goes, I've heard rumors of it -- but all of those rumors come from people who just want a regional back in Manchester. As far as I know (and I could very easily be wrong), FIRST has never commited to ever holding a regional in Manchester again. I also don't know if they've ever really expressed interest in it either. Supposedly the convention center they're building there will be a large enough of venue but as to whether or not there's a regional there, we'll see.

Matt

[Pamela]

I've heard lots of talk about the regional moving back to NH, a few summers back while I was working at FIRST place I asked about it and they said it was a major possibility once the Civic Center was finished, (which by the way is huge! and pretty cool looking, all wavy and such!). Also I talked to Jeanne Shaheen at 4th of July last year and she told my team that she has requested that FIRST moves the regional back to NH once the Civic Center is finished :). How could would that be, I'd get to roll out of bed and drive 10 minutes to get to the regional :) hehehe!

[Pamela]

Yeh so I can't type either, in my post , that could near the end is most definatly supposed to say cool......... silly me, losing all my English skills before my finals.....

[Brandon Martus]

there is an edit button near the bottom right of each post, you could've went back and changed 'could' to 'cool', and nobody would've known ;)

[Matt Leese]

I sincerely doubt FIRST will ever move the regional out of Hartford. They may add a new regional to Manchester but the one in Hartford will most likely stay. UTC puts a good deal of money into the regional and I rather doubt they'd want it held anywhere else, as they are based in Hartford. But I guess we'll wait and see. :)

Matt

[A. Leese]

I can't believe FIRST is thinking about having a regional in Cleveland. Why not have it in Indiana, where there seem to be more teams? Wait..there are like four teams in Columbus, OH. Never mind..

~Angela who should know Ohio geography b/c she has a million relatives up there..

[David Kelly]

Originally posted by littlefish180
I can't believe FIRST is thinking about having a regional in Cleveland. Why not have it in Indiana, where there seem to be more teams? Wait..there are like four teams in Columbus, OH. Never mind..

~Angela who should know Ohio geography b/c she has a million relatives up there..


Why doesn't FIRST think about having a Regional in Indiana? I think next year we will have at least 15 teams in the state. There are pleanty of places to hold it: RCA Dome, Conseco Fieldhouse, Hinkle Fieldhouse... etc. You could even hold a regional at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I bet Tony George would go for it. And I know that we have plenty of colleges that could sponsor it. Possibly Purdue, Rose-Hulman, IUPUI, IU...etc. Maybe us Indiana teams should start lobbying FIRST for a possible regional in the future.

[Matt Leese]

I would guess the main reason FIRST hasn't thought about having a regional in Indiana is because no one has stepped forward to purpose one. Regionals first of all require a sponsor or sponsors. And these are big money donors (I don't remember the cost of running a regional but I believe it gets above a million dollars -- someone correct me if I'm wrong). Also, getting the space to use can also be hard as well as expensive. Stadiums don't come cheap. There also comes the issue of people to organize the regional and run it. And they also need to know they'll have a large enough base of teams to support the regional and not take away from other regionals.

Matt who for some odd reason knows too much about starting a regional......

[Nate Smith]

Originally posted by Matt Leese
(I don't remember the cost of running a regional but I believe it gets above a million dollars -- someone correct me if I'm wrong). Also, getting the space to use can also be hard as well as expensive. Stadiums don't come cheap.

I'm not entirely sure on this...but I think the number for the West Michigan Regional was about $250,000, at least as far as the local committee had to come up with...of course, as Matt points out, that all depends on how much it costs for the site...

Nate

[Todd Derbyshire]

Maybe FIRST doesn't have a regional in Indiana because there is not enough support there to have it. However, back to my post from earlier I mentioned that I heard about a Regional being held in Manchester NH. Why is it not feasible to have it there? Oh because Matt says that FIRST has expressed no interest in returning to Manchester. Well, I definitely do believe they need to express interest in a Northeast Regional and no UTC doesn't count. That's why I believe a new Regional will happen in either Boston, the center of the Northeast, Worcester, or Manchester. Time will only TELL... SORRY MY CAPS JUST STARTED TO KICK IN AGAIN.:mad:

[mike o'leary]

go boston...center of the northeast!!!

mike whos a proud bostonian, goes to school in dochestah and would pahk his cah in hahvahd yahd if he had a cah to pahk (which he doesnt cuz hes a retahd)

ps: mike thinks boston is wicked pissah

[Matt Leese]

Originally posted by Todd Derbyshire
Maybe FIRST doesn't have a regional in Indiana because there is not enough support there to have it. However, back to my post from earlier I mentioned that I heard about a Regional being held in Manchester NH. Why is it not feasible to have it there? Oh because Matt says that FIRST has expressed no interest in returning to Manchester. Well, I definitely do believe they need to express interest in a Northeast Regional and no UTC doesn't count. That's why I believe a new Regional will happen in either Boston, the center of the Northeast, Worcester, or Manchester. Time will only TELL... SORRY MY CAPS JUST STARTED TO KICK IN AGAIN.:mad:
Hey, I think you got me wrong there. I didn't say it wouldn't happen. I didn't say FIRST didn't want it to happen. I just said that the only people that I've heard interested in a regional are not from FIRST. They are only on teams from the area. Will there be a new regional in the northeast? Maybe. This i sjust from some of my own seemingly random observations and I appreciate corrections if any are needed, but I believe that New England and New Hampshire in particular are not large growth areas for FIRST. FIRST is going to expand regionals where there's growth because that means there's need for more regionals there. When the number of teams remains mostly constant (and that's mostly what I've seen in the New England area -- witness the small number of rookies at the New England regional), there will not be expanded regionals. Also, I believe that New Hampshire in particular seems to be loosing teams as opposed to gaining them. Now I may be totally off base with that but that is just the appearance I've gotten. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And please don't take me as saying I don't want a regional in Manchester or in New England. I'm just trying to show what I think will happen.

Matt

[Jessica Boucher]

...you were there with the fiasco this year with the outdoor tents. The Meadows just cant hold any more teams...snow & robots (except at Kickoff) just dont mix...i remember looking to our right in the pit and seeing half of 236's pit washed out and the pit to their right totally flooded....

The Meadows was a great venue in 2000....and that had to do alot with the weather...it wasnt raining or anything, and it was on the warmish side. Plus, there were no outside pits. Outside pits are doable in the south or in the west, but not in New England and not when the regional is that early in the season.

Dont get me wrong, I still like having the regional earlier....but something needs to be tweaked.

[Matt Leese]

That's why I didn't go into the tent that much. ;) And I agree with you that something has to be done. The Meadows isn't really set up that well for a Robotics competition in my opinion. But I also highly doubt that the Regional will ever leave Hartford. Well, not until UTC decides to stop sponsoring it, by any rate. So that leaves the option of finding a new venue in Hartford or nearby (note, by nearby, it must be very nearby -- UTC fits a good deal of the bill for it and wants the associated publicity). I don't know what's there so I can't give any good ideas. My gut feeling is it won't move any time soon. In that case some of the New England teams might need to think about traveling a bit farther for your regionals like some of us have to do. ;)

Matt who tries not to worry about such things as that because it's FIRST's problem, not his but isn't very good at not thinking about it anyway....

[Matt Leese]

Yeah, yeah, I'm posting twice in a row but I have another comment to make.....

Snow and robots go together just fine. I'm trying to think of a day this season where I did robot stuff and there wasn't snow. I'm just not thinking of any. ;) Including the 10 hour drive to New Hampshire. *grumble* There's a reason why Rochester city has 3 teams and Monroe County has 5..... :-D (hoping for more next year...)

Matt

[Todd Derbyshire]

Ok here is my case for a brand new regional in New England.
1) UTC Regional is way out of hand.
2) The nearest venue that is closest is either NJ, NY, or Phily some in which have similiar or other problems of their own. Example, NJ is just too small. As many people know who have gone there this year and the year before
3) Wouldn't it make sense to have a Regional where you first started and where a good percentage of your FIRST teams are
lets see if we hold a regional in lets say either Worcester or Boston then the enter Northeast would come with other teams from New York and possibly Pennsylvania.
Now doesn't that just make sense??
Also as Jessica mentioned push back any northern regional to mid-late March due to the wonderful New England weather.

" The Day is mine Trebeck" - Sean Connery SNL
"New England Weather what can I say right now its sunny so expect some rain in about ten minutes" :D

[Matt Leese]

Originally posted by Todd Derbyshire
Ok here is my case for a brand new regional in New England.
1) UTC Regional is way out of hand.
2) The nearest venue that is closest is either NJ, NY, or Phily some in which have similiar or other problems of their own. Example, NJ is just too small. As many people know who have gone there this year and the year before
3) Wouldn't it make sense to have a Regional where you first started and where a good percentage of your FIRST teams are
lets see if we hold a regional in lets say either Worcester or Boston then the enter Northeast would come with other teams from New York and possibly Pennsylvania.
Now doesn't that just make sense??
Also as Jessica mentioned push back any northern regional to mid-late March due to the wonderful New England weather.


:D
Let me respond to those comments because I can. ;)
1) I agree that the New England Regional has too many teams attending.
2)The nearest venue is NYC and then probably Long Island. Neither which (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) have had any problems with overcrowding.
3)If there's a regional in Worcester or Boston I sincerely doubt any teams from NY or PA would go. As far as NY is concerned, most of the teams are from either NYC or Long Island, which is why there are regionals in both those locations. Second of all, for NY, the remaining teams (and there aren't too many) are Upstate and considerably Upstate at that (we're about equidistant from NYC, NJ, Philly, and CT -- we go to NJ). PA has too many attractive regionals to add another and get people to go.
3)I believe FIRST started in neither Boston or Worcester. ;) But unless you refer to Manchester, that doesn't really support that claim. And while Manchester may sound like an attractive idea, I don't think it has the best location (you'd only have people coming from the south -- there's nothing north or east of Manchester and not too much west) but that's just my opinion.

I think something has to be done about the New England Regional but I'm not sure if there are enough teams to support a whole other regional. We will wait and see what FIRST decides.

Matt

[Jessica Boucher]

"If you dont like weather in Connecticut, wait 15 minutes and it will change" -Mark Twain (a Hartford, CT resident)

Well, FIRST was very nice to us for changing the UTC regional from where it was in 2000 (week before Nats) to an earlier date (first regional after shipping) due to a lot of reasons, such as shipping, people getting sick, and troubles with missing school.

Personally, it would be great if we could stick it somewhere in the middle....maybe so we have 2 weeks btw it & nats.

[mike o'leary]

Also as Jessica mentioned push back any northern regional to mid-late March due to the wonderful New England weather.

im not sure that would help much...in march there can be a foot and a half of snow on the ground or it can be 95 degrees out...no matter when you plan it, its a coin toss as to wether the weather will be oppressively cold or oppressively hot...

[Todd Derbyshire]

Originally posted by Matt Leese

Let me respond to those comments because I can. ;)
1) I agree that the New England Regional has too many teams attending.
2)The nearest venue is NYC and then probably Long Island. Neither which (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) have had any problems with overcrowding.
3)If there's a regional in Worcester or Boston I sincerely doubt any teams from NY or PA would go. As far as NY is concerned, most of the teams are from either NYC or Long Island, which is why there are regionals in both those locations. Second of all, for NY, the remaining teams (and there aren't too many) are Upstate and considerably Upstate at that (we're about equidistant from NYC, NJ, Philly, and CT -- we go to NJ). PA has too many attractive regionals to add another and get people to go.
3)I believe FIRST started in neither Boston or Worcester. ;) But unless you refer to Manchester, that doesn't really support that claim. And while Manchester may sound like an attractive idea, I don't think it has the best location (you'd only have people coming from the south -- there's nothing north or east of Manchester and not too much west) but that's just my opinion.



Matt

To make myself clearer...
1) Yes, I was referring to Manchester and I don't truly understand why Matt you are having such a hard time trying to grasp this concept. If you were to name the three places in New England where you might hold a Regional you would either hold it in Boston, or Manchester. Now because FIRST has a lot of support in Worcester; it is also a consideration. Now I know the statement that you made saying that nobody from NY or Pennsylvania would come is false. I know people who travel from New York and Pennsylvania who travel for tournaments all the time in another hobby that I am involved in. The reason why they come is not due to the fact that there isn't a competition in New York or Pennsylvania, but because of competition, and with all of the veteran teams originating in this area I think this could become the superstar Regional they could become a preview of the finals in Florida.
2) Second your claim about nothing being north or east of Manchester who needs teams from the north or east. You have roughly thirty teams from either MA, RI, or CT. Then you add in the teams from NH, VT, and ME and you have a good-sized regional in the late thirties to the forties in # of teams.
Anyways just thought you would like to be corrected, however you are right that Manchester is not the right place the right place would be :D Boston:D
Todd who is right now dreaming!!

[Matt Leese]

Originally posted by Todd Derbyshire


To make myself clearer...
1) Yes, I was referring to Manchester and I don't truly understand why Matt you are having such a hard time trying to grasp this concept. If you were to name the three places in New England where you might hold a Regional you would either hold it in Boston, or Manchester. Now because FIRST has a lot of support in Worcester; it is also a consideration. Now I know the statement that you made saying that nobody from NY or Pennsylvania would come is false. I know people who travel from New York and Pennsylvania who travel for tournaments all the time in another hobby that I am involved in. The reason why they come is not due to the fact that there isn't a competition in New York or Pennsylvania, but because of competition, and with all of the veteran teams originating in this area I think this could become the superstar Regional they could become a preview of the finals in Florida.
2) Second your claim about nothing being north or east of Manchester who needs teams from the north or east. You have roughly thirty teams from either MA, RI, or CT. Then you add in the teams from NH, VT, and ME and you have a good-sized regional in the late thirties to the forties in # of teams.
Anyways just thought you would like to be corrected, however you are right that Manchester is not the right place the right place would be :D Boston:D
Todd who is right now dreaming!!
1) Actually, I don't particularly have a problem with a new regional in New England. I'm just trying to point out some reasons why it may be a bad idea. Do I agree that it's a bad idea? I don't particularly care all that much in all honesty. So don't take any of this personally. As far as teams treavling to MA or NH for a regional from NY or PA, it's not that no one would not concievably go, it's more that there's an alternative closer to home and that coupled with the fact that most teams only go to one regional means that no one would want to go to the new New England regional. Just because it's possible teams will come doesn't make it likely.
2) As far as teams around Manchester goes, there are no teams in Vermont and one or so in Maine (I'm only sure about the Vermont number). I believe there are about 5 teams in NH and probably 15 or so in MA (that's just a guess off the top of my head -- correct me if I'm wrong). But the most important thing to remember here is that even if there are 30 or 40 teams in the area, a good portion of those 30 or 40 teams go to the UTC New England Regional. You can't destroy a current regional in starting a new one. FIRST won't allow it. And I doubt most of the teams in the area would go to the new regional as opposed to the UTC New England regional.

As far as a regional in Boston goes, as far as I know, no one's trying to organize a regional there. I believe FIRST generally only starts a regional after there is local support and not that they get local support after deciding to hold the regional. If you want a regional in Boston, my suggestion would be to try and organize people to start one. Then again, I've never tried to start a regional before but instead have just talked to someone who has. :)

Matt

[Matt Leese]

I thought I'd share this since I just got an email from FIRST about it. Apparently, there is a group looking to hold a regional in either Syracuse, NY (well, Potsdam, NY really at Clarkson Univ) or in Ottawa, Canada (don't ask me how they picked those two sites -- I think they should hold it in Rochester ;) ). Not sure if it'll take off or not. I'm not sure if there's enough team support in the area but I guess we'll wait and see.

Matt