QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! [Archive]

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23-06-2002, 23:50

Posted by Andy Grady.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Other on team in limbo from in limbo sponsored by in limbo.

Posted on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST

Hi all, this is a very simple question this week, but im doin this one to settle a score with some buddies. This question is dedicated to all those who made Bash at the Beach so much fun for me yesterday. So here it is...

Question 9/24/00: Is it a BAR-LOK or a Tie Wrap? speaking of course of those little clicky cable tie things.

I SAY BAR-LOK!!!!!! (go team Bar-Lok)

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:50

Posted by Amy .

Student on team #126, Gael Force, from Clinton High and NYPRO.

Posted on 9/24/2000 11:51 AM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

It's a BAR-LOK!!! My reasoning: if you call a milling machine a Bridgeport, then you should call cable ties Bar-Loks.

One creative use for BAR-LOKS: Use them to put your hair in a ponytail. :-P

Amy

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23-06-2002, 23:50

Posted by S. Krussell.

Coach on team #349, Robahamas, from International Academy and Ford Motor Co..

Posted on 9/25/2000 4:43 AM MST

In Reply to: Re: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Amy on 9/24/2000 11:51 AM MST:

And hey, speaking of unusual uses for them, one of my goofy students used a bunch of them to lock up every cupboard and cabinet in my chemistry room last year while the rest of us were working on robot design!

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:50

Posted by Justin.

Other on team Blue Lightning Alumni Association from RWU sponsored by FIRST-A-holics Anonymous.

Posted on 9/24/2000 1:25 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

Hello All,

I just want to assure all of you mis-guided soles who believe that tie-wraps are called bar-locks that you are wrong. I have spoken to engineering itself, Eric Rasmussen, and he has signed on as a member of Team Tie-Wrap. I'm sorry, but we all need a new vocab word everyonce and a while.

TIE-WRAPS FOR EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Justin
Captian Team Tie-Wrap

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:50

Posted by Lora Knepper.

Other on team #419, Rambots, from UMass Boston / BC High and NASA, Mathsoft, Solidworks, Analog Devices.

Posted on 9/24/2000 2:07 PM MST

In Reply to: GO TEAM TIE-WRAP ---- ERIC SPEAKS!!!! posted by Justin on 9/24/2000 1:25 PM MST:

Sign me onto your team Justin, they are most definately TIE-WRAPS. =)

Lora

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Andy Grady.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Other on team in limbo from in limbo sponsored by in limbo.

Posted on 9/24/2000 6:27 PM MST

In Reply to: GO TEAM TIE-WRAP ---- ERIC SPEAKS!!!! posted by Justin on 9/24/2000 1:25 PM MST:

Eric may have said that, BUT!!!!! I have photographic proof, go to http://www.alvirnefirst.interactiveinc.com/
and then go to the team section and check out the regional pics, on that page you will find a picture of me holding.... A BAG OF BAR-LOK BRAND BAR-LOKS. So now you can all bow in my presence because I was right!!!!!!

GO TEAM BAR-LOK

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Justin.

Other on team Blue Lightning Alumni Association from RWU sponsored by FIRST-A-holics Anonymous.

Posted on 9/24/2000 6:46 PM MST

In Reply to: Re: GO TEAM TIE-WRAP ---- ERIC SPEAKS!!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 6:27 PM MST:

Hello All,

Because I have no life...I have conducted a quick survey of the web. Note the the following two domain names resolve www.tiewraps.com and www.zipties.com now now tries www.barlock.com, www.bar-loc.com, www.bar-lok.com, www.bar-lock.com....how many of these resolve??

-Justin

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Justin.

Other on team Blue Lightning Alumni Association from RWU sponsored by FIRST-A-holics Anonymous.

Posted on 9/24/2000 6:58 PM MST

In Reply to: GO TEAM TIE-WRAP ---- ERIC SPEAKS!!!! posted by Justin on 9/24/2000 1:25 PM MST:

Pres Release - Issued 8/24/2000
From: Team Tie Wrap HQ located in a hidden bunker somewhere on the Military Base Area 51.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY TEAM TIE WRAP HAS OFFICALY SANCTIONED THE USE OF THE TERM ZIP-TIES TO REFER TO TIE-WRAPS.

End Release.

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23-06-2002, 23:51

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Matt Leese.

Other on team #73 from Rochester Institute of Technology and NASA, Black & Decker, AAI, Raytheon.

Posted on 9/24/2000 2:06 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

Hrm, well I always thought they were just Flight Certified Wire Ties. I guess that's the advantage of being sponsored by NASA.

Matt Leese (yes my team info has changed)

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by David Kelso.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Coach on team #131, C.H.A.O.S.-, from Central High School and OSRAM SYLVANIA/ Fleet .

Posted on 9/24/2000 3:41 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

While the rest of the country wonders if we have 'lost it' in New England. This tie-wrap/bar-lok controversy will go on for a while. Using them as pony tail ties was cute and I guess I am glad no one tried to slip one through their pierced ear hole.
Bash was a Blast as I have heard the Big E is (which continues for one more week) We can never get enough FIRST.

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Jessica Boucher.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Student on team #237, Sie-H2O-Bots, from Watertown High School and Eastern Awning Systems & The Siemon Company.

Posted on 9/24/2000 3:46 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

::laughing hysterically::

I was wondering when this would finally be put up on the forum.....this ranks up there with the 'coloring of the yellow ball with sharpies to call it black' and 'unplugging the playing field at the end of the match'....both of which I have pictures of....I can't believe it! I took 120 pics!

Anyway, I'm going to sit on the fence on this one, but I just wanted to comment. Oh, and to give advice: never put one of those contravercial little things on your finger, you never know when they'll haul off & cut your circulation ::grin::

-Jess Boucher, Student Leader #237

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Linda Brown.

Student on team #131, C.H.A.O.S, from Manchester Central High School and Osram Sylvania & Fleet Bank.

Posted on 9/24/2000 7:25 PM MST

In Reply to: Re: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Jessica Boucher on 9/24/2000 3:46 PM MST:

I definitely have to agree with Joe J and Justin. Those things are tie wraps and should not be called anything else. =)
Jess, I definitely agree with you. Whilst setting up for River Rage 2K, I happen to use one as a bracelet, only to my surprise, I had put it on too tight. I started losing circulation in my left hand, which began turning a lovely shade of purple. =) I ran around trying to find someone to cut it off, so I could have my hand back. =)
Take it easy,
~Linda

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Justin.

Other on team Blue Lightning Alumni Association from RWU sponsored by FIRST-A-holics Anonymous.

Posted on 9/24/2000 4:43 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

Dean and Woodie if your out there please end this battle!!!

;-) ;-)

-Justin

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Joe Johnson.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.

Posted on 9/24/2000 6:54 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

TIE WRAPS!

Where do you people get off call them anything else!

I MAY allow an occassional 'zip tie' as long as it is kept to a minumum ;-)

Joe J.

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Justin.

Other on team Blue Lightning Alumni Association from RWU sponsored by FIRST-A-holics Anonymous.

Posted on 9/24/2000 6:59 PM MST

In Reply to: The Answer is... posted by Joe Johnson on 9/24/2000 6:54 PM MST:

Welcome Aboard Team Tie Wrap Joe!!!

Together we can all rid the FIRST community of this blasphemy known as the term bar-lock ;-)

Thanks for your support!!!

-Justin

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Erin.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Other on team #1, The Juggernauts, from OTC-NE and 3-Dimensional Services.

Posted on 9/24/2000 8:20 PM MST

In Reply to: The Answer is... posted by Joe Johnson on 9/24/2000 6:54 PM MST:

tie wrap. we are very good at using those. our team has found ways to use them as a time-occupier as well. we can even disassemble them sometimes. not bar-lok, i dont even know where you got that from andy:)

-erin

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Nate Smith.

Other on team #66, GM Powertrain/Willow Run HS, from Eastern Michigan University and GM Powertrain.

Posted on 9/24/2000 8:58 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

For me, i've always called them either wire ties or zip ties...as for the Bar-Lok people(which I've never heard, BTW,) i think that goes back to the 'one brand is kleenex, so do you call all brands that?' question...

Nate

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Raul.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.

Posted on 9/25/2000 6:33 AM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

OK, I did quick search in the US Patent and Trademark Office. There were 35 instances of patents that used the words 'tie wraps' to describe a device that hold together cables, wires, etc. I also did a search of for 'bar-lok' and 'barlok' and found nothing. If the US Patent office recoginizes 'tie wraps' as the common term to describe this mechanism then who are we to argue?

Raul

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Justin Stiltner.

Student on team #388, Epsilon, from Grundy High School and NASA, American Electric Power, Town of Grundy.

Posted on 9/25/2000 6:39 AM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

I would like to offically submitt the word (wire tie) for approval of team tie wrap. I am a member of team tie wrap/wire tie.

We sould get together at one of the competitions this year and do somthing with wire ties/tie wraps.

Justin Stiltner
Team 388
Grundy High School
Grundy VA

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Andy Grady.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Other on team in limbo from in limbo sponsored by in limbo.

Posted on 9/25/2000 10:50 AM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

Ok so maybe more people have heard, or use the term 'Tie Wrap'. However my goal for the year 2001 is to have the term Bar-Lok more widely accepted than that wimpy sounding other name. Bar-Lok sounds a heck of alot more powerful than Tie Wrap (which sounds like a sandwich to me) and I don't know about you, but i want something that sounds powerful in name holding my controls and stuff down! Team Bar-Lok has a promising future, and we got plans for team Tie-Wrap!!! Plus it is now obvious that we are the underdog, and don't you all love to see the underdog win? I know I do. So I urge all of you, to jump ship, and join team Bar-Lok, because if you don't, Justin will never let me hear the end of it!!!!

Thank you,
Andrew Grady, co-founder Team Bar-Lok

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Justin.

Other on team Blue Lightning Alumni Association from RWU sponsored by FIRST-A-holics Anonymous.

Posted on 9/25/2000 11:33 AM MST

In Reply to: OK, THIS MEANS WAR!!!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/25/2000 10:50 AM MST:

Team Tie-Wrap,

I want to call on each and everyone to stick up for all the great engineering minds through out time who have called tie-wraps what they are, tie-wraps (and zip-ties and cable ties). I know that all of you out there don't consider tie-wraps mearly a name but a life saver, the reason you won those finals, what would you do with out them?? All those memories of matches where the words 'GET ME A TIE-WRAP were crucial to the success of your team, and your robot.' To give up on the name tie-wrap would be to give up on those memories, on those robots, and the tie-wraps who performed beyond your expectiations in the heat of a FIRST match. If you jump ship on Team Tie-Wrap you don't just call them something different you jump ship on all those robots who have come before and emerged victorius, just as Team Tie-Wrap will!!!

-Justin

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Amy .

Student on team #126, Gael Force, from Clinton High and NYPRO.

Posted on 9/25/2000 12:14 PM MST

In Reply to: TEAM TIE-WRAP RALLIES!!! posted by Justin on 9/25/2000 11:33 AM MST:

Actually...it was 'GET ME A BAR-LOK!!!' for us...our torn conveyor belts were held together with Bar-Loks during some of the elimination rounds at Nationals. So there. And, Team Bar-Lok is cuter...:-P

Amy

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by colleen.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Coach on team #246, Blue Light Special, from John D. O'Byrant High School/Boston Latin Academy and NSTAR/Boston University/UTC/Raytheon/MassPEP.

Posted on 9/25/2000 12:31 PM MST

In Reply to: Re: TEAM TIE-WRAP RALLIES!!! posted by Amy on 9/25/2000 12:14 PM MST:

Amy!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will help you Andy!!

I become part of a team who innocently referred them as 'cable/tie wraps'... and well.. now at least understand the wonder and beauty of the term 'bar-lok'.. they may still not use it themselves... but they are no longer ignorant to the greatness... :-P

You tie wrap your garbage bags...
but you bar-lok you 'bot!!!

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Raul.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.

Posted on 9/27/2000 6:08 AM MST

In Reply to: Team Bar-lok Rocks! posted by colleen on 9/25/2000 12:31 PM MST:

: You tie wrap your garbage bags...
: but you bar-lok you 'bot!!!

NOT TRUE! You 'twist-tie' your garbage bag! The little plastic covered wires used on garbage bags (and other bags such as used for bread) are called 'twist-ties'

Raul

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Lora Knepper.

Other on team #419, Rambots, from UMass Boston / BC High and NASA, Mathsoft, Solidworks, Analog Devices.

Posted on 9/25/2000 3:08 PM MST

In Reply to: OK, THIS MEANS WAR!!!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/25/2000 10:50 AM MST:

Sorry Andy, Colleen, and Amy (and all of you poor mis-guided souls out there that were brainwashed into Bar-Lok syndrome...) But they will forever be TIE-WRAPS. =) Justin, I stand behind you 150% and then some, Team TIE-WRAP will prevail!

Lora Knepper
Proud Member of Team Tie-Wrap
=D

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Kristen Kelso.

Student on team #131, C.H.A.O.S., from Manchester Central High and OSRAM SYLVANIA/Fleet.

Posted on 9/25/2000 6:46 PM MST

In Reply to: OK, THIS MEANS WAR!!!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/25/2000 10:50 AM MST:

Lol, 126,your the best...but I can't lie...THE NAME IS WIRE TIE! {look it even has a ring to it!}
Also...Great Job to all the teams that were at BASH at the Beach...and congratulations to 237...The team that walked away #1 {You guys once again proved that no matter where you go, you will always be champions, on and off the field!!!!!}
*~*KJK*~*

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Jason "JDoggyDog" Trotter.

Student on team #191, X-CATS, from Joseph C. Wilson Magnet High School.

Posted on 9/25/2000 7:19 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

Tomato, tamato

Either way they are cool little devices. Did anyone see that movie with Jet Li- 'Romeo Must Die'- now that was a constructive use of them.

By the way, I official put my hat in for tie wraps, only because I have never heard of Bar-Loks.

Later,
Da JDog- Jason T.

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23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Ken.

Student on team #192, Gunn Robotics Team, from Henry M. Gunn Senior High School.

Posted on 9/25/2000 7:50 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

I don't know about you, but we over here at California call those things 'zip tie'. But if I have to choose, I have to go for Bar Loks for the 'lock' part.

archiver

23-06-2002, 23:51

Posted by Michael Martus.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Coach on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central H.S. and Delphi Automotives Systems.

Posted on 9/25/2000 7:51 PM MST

In Reply to: QUESTION OF THE WEEK!!! posted by Andy Grady on 9/24/2000 10:37 AM MST:

I don't care what you call them....but Chief Delphi could not survive without gobbs of them.

We get bulk discounts.