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Justin Ridley
22-02-2013, 01:15
The Robonauts robot for the 2013 competition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DojyJ9bZ4fk&feature=youtu.be
Congratulations to all teams on getting through the last six weeks of the most challenging FIRST season to date. Good luck and see you at competition.
Akash Rastogi
22-02-2013, 01:19
Holy s...
KevinGoneNuts
22-02-2013, 01:20
I've been excited about this video for days now. Raising the bar once again!
SOO EXCITED TO SEE THIS IN SILICON VALLEY!
I have never experienced such awe and wonder while watching a robot in my life, this is a piece of art 118. Congrats on once again raising the bar into space, incredible machine.
Andrew Lawrence
22-02-2013, 01:22
Motherf.......
Eyup. We give up.
Gigakaiser
22-02-2013, 01:23
Amazing
That is amazing. Your bot is just so darned compact. A few questions:
Good grief, how much spin are you putting on the discs??
What're the extra slanted white dashed lines on your field for?
Once you're at the top of the pyramid, is it possible for you to score colored discs?
That's an ingenious method of changing the angle of the shot. Have you found the wobble to be anything of concern?
Nuttyman54
22-02-2013, 01:23
Once again, the Robonauts have set the bar very VERY high. Really excited to have you at SVR, see you in week 6!
markmcgary
22-02-2013, 01:25
Redonkulous.
rcmolloy
22-02-2013, 01:26
Very cool stuff guys. Didn't disappoint. Can't wait to see the bot in San Jose.
s_forbes
22-02-2013, 01:26
:{D
you guys rock.
PayneTrain
22-02-2013, 01:27
I just... I can't even comprehend it. Like, my brain is soup. Commas are everywhere. Sentences. Shrinking. zzzzzzzzzzzz...
Alex Cormier
22-02-2013, 01:27
:yikes: .
Nick Lawrence
22-02-2013, 01:27
Well, here's your world championship trophy.
I'm at a loss for words. Simply amazing.
-Nick
KrazyCarl92
22-02-2013, 01:29
:eek:
Where can we sign up for your pick list?
pwnageNick
22-02-2013, 01:29
Well you just took all the best strategies and combined them. Gotta love the Robonauts.
-Nick
Anupam Goli
22-02-2013, 01:29
Yea, i'm going to go ahead and give you your trophies now.
Just simply astounding. The awesomeness of this robot cannot be described in words. I have no idea how you guys do it, but you always set the bar up so high every single year. I can't wait to see it in action at the regionals!
Wildcats1378
22-02-2013, 01:30
That was absolutely amazing. If you can dump for 20 I will just be stunned. Already stunned.
It does everything. It looks stunning.
+1 for Macklemore.
Grim Tuesday
22-02-2013, 01:35
Absolutely unbelievable. Amazingly engineered machine. It can literally do everything*. Every mechanism on this robot is amazing; integrated together they are nothing short of true genius.
*Except dump colored discs. Come on guys, I was expecting more of you!
I've never seen Chief Delphi explode quite like this at 1:36 AM. Maybe it's all the west coasters.
Michael Corsetto
22-02-2013, 01:35
Best part about this video is how stoked I am to see this bot in person at SVR!
Simply incredible.
-Mike
connor.worley
22-02-2013, 01:37
Well, Ultimate Ascent's a solved game now. Everybody can go home. :p
Nice robot, I really like it even if its cube shape reminds me of a printer.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/images/emea/q5988a_190x170.jpg
AllenGregoryIV
22-02-2013, 01:38
We have the pleasure of playing against this machine at least twice this year and I'm pretty sure that our jaws will be on the floor several times at both events. Mason, Justin and everyone at 118 you have out done yourselves. Are you hiding the fact that it flies and swims as well?
Full Court + 30 + super fast floor pickup + accurate from every position.
I'm hoping we get to play with you more times than we have to play against you.
Great Job, see you in a couple weeks.
familyguyfreak
22-02-2013, 01:39
Well, you guys have reserved a spot on Einstein. :eek:
I always look forward to you guys reveal videos, never cease to amaze. Awesome work of art and amazing design of components. Take it easy on us at Bayou will ya?? :D
Question: What's the max number of frisbees your hopper can hold? It looks like you can hold a lot more than 4. Just curious.
Once again, great work by you guys and I can't wait to see this in person at LSR and Bayou!!
Steven Sigley
22-02-2013, 01:39
I checked chief delphi over and over this season hoping to get a glimpse of the team 118 video which always blows me away.
I was sad i hadn't seen anything and gave up hope a few days ago.
It was well worth the wait though.
Thanks for proving all the nay-sayers wrong. All things CAN be done.
I just watched the Endeavor video from Rebound Rumble earlier today and still enjoyed it tremendously. Apex is even better. I can't wait to see it at Lone Star.
My boys got out of bed to watch the video when they heard me describing it to my wife.
http://i.imgur.com/TI3Pl.gif
No words. I am at a loss on how to express my feelings for this video. Simply amazing.
Nice Job. Looking forward to seeing y'all in action at Lone Star.
iPenguin
22-02-2013, 01:46
Holy s...
Motherf.......
Eyup. We give up.
I just... I can't even comprehend it. Like, my brain is soup. Commas are everywhere. Sentences. Shrinking. zzzzzzzzzzzz...
:eek: :yikes:
That about sums it up right there.
wasayanwer97
22-02-2013, 01:46
Beautiful. Simply Beautiful.
It will be a pleasure to play with OR against you at SVR. :D
It's this kind of design/workmanship that truly inspires all teams. Though why did you have to pick the year our team revived to come to San Jose? :mad: (I kid :P)
Kudos, and see you in week six. (And maybe with a bit of luck for my team, at champs.)
Jonathan Norris
22-02-2013, 01:47
WOW... What?? How did they do that?? How does that even all fit??
Simply incredible.
Edit: Ohh and GREAT Song choice.
Wow. I thought I'd see some pretty OP robots this year, but this is just mind blowing.
TheMadCADer
22-02-2013, 01:50
I liked the game piece hand-off from Magic last year, I'm glad you guys did it again this year with Endeavour.
Also, the new robot's a really nice piece of work. As always with a 118 machine, it doesn't really fit in the 'categories' we have for all the other robots out there, and has some crazy mechanism nobody else has.
Awesome robot, but everyone on here appears to have turned into surrender monkeys...
See you guys at SVR. Should be one of (if not the best) events of the year.
There are some teams that impress me because I see their robot every year and I think "wow, why didn't I think of that?"
...Then there's the Robonauts. Every year I think "jeez you could give me 20 years and I still would have never thought of that."
Great looking robot! Good luck!
theawesome1730
22-02-2013, 01:57
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn256/s13vin4t0r/responses/RainbowBarf.jpg
Holy crap guys! I thought we had an awesome robot, but this is a little over the top
pmangels17
22-02-2013, 01:58
We always have a "Why didn't we think of that?" moment. And this is it for me. Also, those LED's are "dope" (Will.I.Am) and Macklemore just tops it off for me. Good luck this year, I am stunned.
NotaJoke
22-02-2013, 01:59
Absolutely stunning. A robot that fulfills every objective with grace and style, and that can fill any role on any alliance. Excellent design, and execution. I'm at a loss for words.
Awesome robot, but everyone on here appears to have turned into surrender monkeys...
See you guys at SVR. Should be one of (if not the best) events of the year.
Not all of us have given up!
Luck and skill permitting, we'll all meet on Einstein! :D
JohnSchneider
22-02-2013, 02:02
I suppose this means you and 148 plan on bringing that SVR banner to Texas?
AdamHeard
22-02-2013, 02:03
I suppose this means you and 148 plan on bringing that SVR banner to Texas?
Won't be an easy task. Quite a few elite teams ready to battle for it.
Awesome robot though, love the climbing mechanism.
Kevin Sevcik
22-02-2013, 02:05
That's definitely an awesome bot. Minibotting up the corner and doing the clamp airlock maneuver around the knuckle came up in our brainstorming, but we nixed it as too complicated to pull off. Clearly that's not the case for everyone.
So I'm seeing stock in tall-ish nimble defenders going up at LSR this year...
Andrew Lawrence
22-02-2013, 02:12
Will you be releasing any more in-depth information on your beautiful machine this year? I'm sure we can all learn something from 118.
I'm speechless. Its actually the most beautiful and efficient robot I have seen since 469 in 2010. Just wow.
This means I won't be sleeping tonight because I'll be up rewatching this video over and over again.
Blackphantom91
22-02-2013, 02:21
I think you got a nice robot there. Can't wait to see it in competition! Great work this season.
Beautiful job. Not sure what's gotten into everyone here, but you've succeeded in inspiring me to make our robot even better. I look forward to Lone Star and SVR!
Akash Rastogi
22-02-2013, 02:23
See you guys at SVR. Should be one of (if not the best) events of the year.
Definitely one of THE events to watch this season. I'm stoked!
DampRobot
22-02-2013, 02:26
Could you please allow the video to be viewed via mobile?
ThirteenOfTwo
22-02-2013, 02:27
That's definitely an awesome bot. Minibotting up the corner and doing the clamp airlock maneuver around the knuckle came up in our brainstorming, but we nixed it as too complicated to pull off. Clearly that's not the case for everyone.
So I'm seeing stock in tall-ish nimble defenders going up at LSR this year...
Building a tall mecanum robot has never felt like a better decision than it does riiiiiight now.
Super excited to compete against (or, preferably, with) 118 at Lone Star! We've got a pit about thirty feet away from you.. looks like we picked a great "learning" regional to attend! (Man, I'm drooling at the prospect of just seeing this thing...)
TheMadCADer
22-02-2013, 02:32
Will you be releasing any more in-depth information on your beautiful machine this year? I'm sure we can all learn something from 118.
There are a lot of things that you can tell from the video (like the mounting points for a third CIM in their drive gearboxes). I get the feeling that those gearboxes sitting right next to the climbing wheel might be using PTO.
The 'feet' are most likely powered by some sort of worm gear, which has the added bonus of not back-driving. Can't tell exactly what motor that is, maybe a 775?
I honestly have no clue how they are able to get discs up to the shooter from their pickup, though. From what I can tell, the 'core' of the robot is electronics and I couldn't see anything much going on in there. Although, 0:10 you can see what I think is a disc queued up, right in the middle of the robot. Also, from the shots of them shooting, it looks like there is some sort of 'bucket' holding the discs that gets raised up to the shooter.
Mini-CIM on the shooter wheel, which seems to be a curved design of unknown arc-length. I saw another motor (550?) in a gearbox sticking up behind that, probably helping feed in discs.
Their drive wheels are the same custom molded urethane they used last year. Pretty neat process, lets them make a whole lot of them and colour them the way they like. Pretty grippy too.
At 0:47 a wild Talon appears.
I got nothing.... except for maybe some lead blocks and smaller pinion sprockets to try and keep that thing away from the feeder stations :(
Wicked cool!
HayWire1569
22-02-2013, 02:41
Can't view the video on mobile :/
AllenGregoryIV
22-02-2013, 02:43
There are a lot of things that you can tell from the video (like the mounting points for a third CIM in their drive gearboxes). I get the feeling that those gearboxes sitting right next to the climbing wheel might be using PTO.
The 'feet' are most likely powered by some sort of worm gear, which has the added bonus of not back-driving. Can't tell exactly what motor that is, maybe a 775?
I honestly have no clue how they are able to get discs up to the shooter from their pickup, though. From what I can tell, the 'core' of the robot is electronics and I couldn't see anything much going on in there. Although, 0:10 you can see what I think is a disc queued up, right in the middle of the robot. Also, from the shots of them shooting, it looks like there is some sort of 'bucket' holding the discs that gets raised up to the shooter.
Mini-CIM on the shooter wheel, which seems to be a curved design of unknown arc-length. I saw another motor (550?) in a gearbox sticking up behind that, probably helping feed in discs.
Their drive wheels are the same custom molded urethane they used last year. Pretty neat process, lets them make a whole lot of them and colour them the way they like. Pretty grippy too.
At 0:47 a wild Talon appears.
You can also see gold (anodized?) versaplanetary gearboxes for their indexer/feeder 550 and their human feeder roller motor. I'm very interested in how they stack from their ground pickup. The aerial shot shows an empty bucket style hopper but no details of how discs go in or come out. The bucket lowers for floor collection and raises up to shoot and human load. I can't tell if they are pushing in from the bottom or top. But they pull from the bottom of the stack it looks like.
It's just amazing 13+ actuations and I'm pretty sure I missed some.
Also Justin, after watching this video 10+ times this is one of your best yet. Great job.
TheMadCADer
22-02-2013, 02:49
You can also see gold (anodized?) versaplanetary gearboxes for their indexer/feeder 550 and their human feeder roller motor. I'm very interested in how they stack from their ground pickup. The aerial shot shows an empty bucket style hopper but no details of how discs go in or come out. The bucket lowers for floor collection and raises up to shoot and human load. I can't tell if they are pushing in from the bottom or top or pulling out of the bottom or top.
It's just amazing 13+ actuations and I'm pretty sure I missed some.
Discs go in. Discs come out. We can't explain that.
AllenGregoryIV
22-02-2013, 02:55
Discs go in. Discs come out. We can't explain that.
I have two guesses
1. They stack like we do, power a disc under a partially supported stack. It works very well for us and seems like the most space efficient.
2. They drop the tube low enough to drop them in from the top. Keeps things consistent with your human feed system but since you have to have an opening at the front bottom to shoot from, I am leaning to theory one
TheMadCADer
22-02-2013, 03:02
Another thing I've been thinking about now that I've watched the climbing segment a few times is how they might score a few coloured discs from up there. Ever throw a frisbee at a steep angle and have it come right back to you, or even land behind you? :p
Another thing I've been thinking about now that I've watched the climbing segment a few times is how they might score a few coloured discs from up there. Ever throw a frisbee at a steep angle and have it come right back to you, or even land behind you?
I would expect that they are planing on trying to get those from the ground, they have the angle mechanism and clearly a good ability for accuracy. Plus there was already a red disc in the pyramid when they climbed. I know most people have discounted getting them from the floor, but I think tonight we've all learned, don't discount anything just yet.
nicholsjj
22-02-2013, 03:11
If you look at around 1:40 you can see a bucket/turntable device that I would guess "spins" the frisbees into their shooter. Apex is the very definition of what my "dream" robot was this year. 118 was able to shoot full court, pickup from the floor, vary their shooting angle, and climb the corner. You can add on top of all that what looked like a multi-speed transmission and I think they achieved a great robot.
TheMadCADer
22-02-2013, 03:14
I would expect that they are planing on trying to get those from the ground, they have the angle mechanism and clearly a good ability for accuracy. Plus there was already a red disc in the pyramid when they climbed. I know most people have discounted getting them from the floor, but I think tonight we've all learned, don't discount anything just yet.
Well, I don't reasonably expect them to try that as a viable strategy, but it would be neat to try. It would rely too much on the discs behaving the same way aerodynamically every time, which won't happen.
I think the problem with the pyramid goal is how perfect the GDC wants the discs to be in that goal, based on the Q&A about what counts in there. I know dumper teams have had issues with stacking, and I think a shooter would have consistency issues. Just from their video, it looks like there's a pretty wide range that they hit within, and I think it's a bit wider than the window for the pyramid goal. Probably why there was just one disc in there.
Great robot, even better video. I'd love to check out Apex in person.
Just Amazing, i was looking forward to your release video.
LeelandS
22-02-2013, 03:37
So many thoughts... Where do I even begin?
First, beautiful machine. Definitely a Robonaut robot. Sleek, stylish, a little boxy, but we're all open minded, so blocks are welcome.
Secondly, SWEET HOLY MOTHER OF KAMEN. What a robot. This monster of a machine is going to be running the field in almost every match. My first inclination is to say it is perfect. Though I know nothing is perfect, I think 118 may be a top contender for being closest. It's accurate from the pyramid or the loading zone, and has a climb that's really scary, to be honest.
Third, I'm jealous. You guys have the same climbing design that we had (and rapidly pursued until last week), but couldn't figure out how to make it really work. Kudos to you guys.
And finally. Wow. Just wow. You guys rock. You guys inspire me to compete at a higher level more than any other team. I've never felt so inadequate about my own robot. 118 is amazing.
nathannfm
22-02-2013, 03:45
2 wheel shooter if you didn't catch that http://screencloud.net/v/oFZa
As for the rest of the robot :ahh:
Literally the most amazing robot I have ever seen.
JohnSchneider
22-02-2013, 03:51
2 wheel shooter if you didn't catch that http://screencloud.net/v/oFZa
As for the rest of the robot :ahh:
Literally the most amazing robot I have ever seen.
2 wheel linear or curved ;)?
AllenGregoryIV
22-02-2013, 03:56
2 wheel linear or curved ;)?
It looks like the back wheel is smaller and powered by a 775 or 550 into a VP. Also the center axes seem close to lined up so it would have to be slightly curved but that might just be the video angles.
Awesome robot, but everyone on here appears to have turned into surrender monkeys...
See you guys at SVR. Should be one of (if not the best) events of the year.
I have to agree with Cory.
It's a beautiful robot with awesome features but last I heard making a terrific reveal video did not earn you a trip to Einstein.
118 has always made reveal video that quickened the pulse and robots that dazzled the eyes but last year was their second trip to Einstein in all of their years in FIRST(which goes to show you just how hard it is to get there). I'm sure they'll tell you more than anyone else this is just the start of the journey and we shouldn't go too overboard. 118's reveal always signaled to me that things just got real. There are teams who have been to the mountaintop who are watching the video and reading this thread, nodding their heads methodically with a sly smirk and chuckling to themselves say "Soon."
nathannfm
22-02-2013, 05:11
Are those...gold VersaPlanetaries? http://screencloud.net/v/lbqp http://screencloud.net/v/iWOQ
AlexD744
22-02-2013, 06:18
There are teams who have been to the mountaintop who are watching the video and reading this thread, nodding their heads methodically with a sly smirk and chuckling to themselves say "Soon."
Probably the creepiest imagery I've read on chief delphi, but so so accurate.
Steven Donow
22-02-2013, 06:19
Are those...gold VersaPlanetaries? http://screencloud.net/v/lbqp http://screencloud.net/v/iWOQ
...I may have to make a quick paint job on our robot...
Beautiful, amazing robot. Dat waterjet body.
I have to agree with Cory.
It's a beautiful robot with awesome features but last I heard making a terrific reveal video did not earn you a trip to Einstein.
118 has always made reveal video that quickened the pulse and robots that dazzled the eyes but last year was their second trip to Einstein in all of their years in FIRST(which goes to show you just how hard it is to get there). I'm sure they'll tell you more than anyone else this is just the start of the journey and we shouldn't go too overboard. 118's reveal always signaled to me that things just got real. There are teams who have been to the mountaintop who are watching the video and reading this thread, nodding their heads methodically with a sly smirk and chuckling to themselves say "Soon."
I can so see Andy Bradley and the rest of 233 doing this while watching this video.
All that AND it shoots down reconnaissance drones. [3:39] We'll miss seeing you in Hartford this year. That was last year's 'bot flipping a 'bee, upside down, to Apex at [2:45]. Also checking out the aerial view of the "bullpen" of previous machines just prior to that. We thought we were extravagant with 80/20 parts this year. Apex must have over $1k of pneumatics for this masterpiece. I'd gush some more, but I'd rather go back to another slow-motion viewing............
Kims Robot
22-02-2013, 06:55
That video just gave me chills!!!
I wish you guys were at one of the regionals I was going to, but I'll have to wait until champs to see it up close I guess :D
And I recall a conversation where Lucien was saying something like "yeah we are still just in the "pretty good" category robot wise"... SERIOUSLY?? That statement was just blown out of the water.
Beautiful machine, I hope we all can aspire to make something this amazing some day... and now I am even more excited to see what the other elite's have come up with!!
All I can say is wow. Thank god we don't live in Texas...
All I can say is wow. Thank god we don't live in Texas...
They like to travel so there is no place safe from them.
Probably the creepiest imagery I've read on chief delphi, but so so accurate.
More Dr. Doomish than Dexterish.
Billfred
22-02-2013, 07:29
Awesome robot, but everyone on here appears to have turned into surrender monkeys...
See you guys at SVR. Should be one of (if not the best) events of the year.
Now THAT stands to be a showdown, even before you mention 233. Can't wait to see that one.
And Ed is right: With this video, things just got real. Can't wait to see it in St. Louis!
rachelholladay
22-02-2013, 07:36
I guess when other teams say "Guys, we can't do everything, let's concentrate on a few things" Robonauts say "LOLS. Lets be baller at everything"
Quick question, how do you guys get the ceiling camera angle? Was it used the little helicopter that took a frisbee to the face?
It will be fun to play with and against Apex at the Bayou Regional. I'm just getting really excited now.
sircedric4
22-02-2013, 07:44
Incredible robot.
Videos like this always make me equally parts inspired and so angry I could spit. I see a machine shop and a full size field and a robot that obviously has been to the laser cutter and has a large student, mentor and support base and then I look in the closet we have at school and the beat up garage my fellow mentor has and the 10 students we can get to show up and the one regional we can afford to attend and just shake my head. I am shaking my head and angry at myself because I won't pursue the resources needed to compete at the elite level, because I choose to have a life outside robots as crazy as that sounds. LOL
118 obviously has an excellent program, incredible mentors, and enthusiastic students and I want to congratulate them on what appears to be one of the "elite" bots for the year. We all work incredibly hard for 6 weeks, and we are all proud of the robots we can field given our resources, and then we all take inspiration from the teams with more resources. Thanks for the inspiration 118 and I can't wait to see this bot in person at the Bayou.
Nick1912
22-02-2013, 07:52
We had Can't Hold Us in our video though :(
Great robot though! Can't wait to see y'all at Bayou.
Lil' Lavery
22-02-2013, 08:34
This video actually makes me feel better about our odds. If even the Robonauts aren't hitting 4/4 volleys, maybe we have a shot after all.
They like to travel so there is no place safe from them.
MAR and FiM are. ;)
ks_mumupsi
22-02-2013, 08:44
nice.. no less than expected from the elite teams..
I knew it was possible to do everything just not in this compact a size.. very nice mechanism, I am interested to see the guts of this bot.
But I expect this to be a force through St. Louis, one thing I have learned is nothing is a guarantee but this is about as close as you can get to that.
Justin and team - good luck guys am psyched for you, and am glad last years Einstein debacle didnt bring the team down, i hope you guys make it there again this year.
Ravage457
22-02-2013, 08:44
Another awesome robot this year, cant wait wait to see you guys at Lone Star and Texas will be represented real well at Silicon Valley with you guys and 148. Good Luck guys
Andrew Remmers
22-02-2013, 08:50
I have always been insanely inpressed with 118's robot reveal videos, but this years robot... is just out of this world. Talk about inspiration.
Here is my towel, go win something. ;)
- Andrew
The engineering side of me said... This is amazing... Have this done in 6 weeks is just incredible.
The competitor side of me said... I wonder how another alliance can slow it down and score more points than they do. The competition is 3-on-3. What are your thoughts?
racesick222
22-02-2013, 08:56
The engineering side of me said... This is amazing... Have this done in 6 weeks is just incredible.
The competitor side of me said... I wonder how another alliance can slow it down and score more points than they do. The competition is 3-on-3. What are your thoughts?
1114 in 2010
MAR and FiM are. ;)
They'd find a way darn those sneaky Texans!
Seriously, just jaw dropping.
I do have one question for the group.
When your mechanism tilts your robot to grab onto the corner pole aren't your bumpers going out of the zone, does the pole make that point moot? Have you asked GDC?
I guess that's three questions :)
How is it driving up the pole? It looks like two wheels slightly pointed toward each other, with a notch to go over the crossbars, but I couldn't tell.
ttldomination
22-02-2013, 09:48
When your mechanism tilts your robot to grab onto the corner pole aren't your bumpers going out of the zone, does the pole make that point moot? Have you asked GDC?
While I'm sure that they've taken this into account, it'd be a shame to see another excellent 118 designed tossed out.
- Sunny G.
notmattlythgoe
22-02-2013, 09:51
Seriously, just jaw dropping.
I do have one question for the group.
When your mechanism tilts your robot to grab onto the corner pole aren't your bumpers going out of the zone, does the pole make that point moot? Have you asked GDC?
I guess that's three questions :)
There were teams that did this last year to get on the bridge, are the bumper zone rules different than last year?
EricLeifermann
22-02-2013, 09:57
I love the notch in the climbing wheel to get over the corner...
Hope I get to see this thing up close in St. Louis this year.
TheOtherGuy
22-02-2013, 10:23
When your mechanism tilts your robot to grab onto the corner pole aren't your bumpers going out of the zone, does the pole make that point moot? Have you asked GDC?
Don't they just have to touch the corner with the climbing wheel before tilting back?
Excellent robot, I'll be glued to the webcasts!
Jeff Waegelin
22-02-2013, 10:29
Amazing robot as always! Can't wait to see it in action at Lone Star and SVR!
Nathan Streeter
22-02-2013, 10:30
Among all the phenomenal engineering, I may have been even more awed by the "shooting lights," shown at times like 0:57 and 1:36... so sweet!
Steven Donow
22-02-2013, 10:37
There were teams that did this last year to get on the bridge, are the bumper zone rules different than last year?
Bumper rules are all relative to your robot sitting on a flat floor.
Also, can the uploaded make the video available on mobile? I'd love to show people this on my phone
nuggetsyl
22-02-2013, 10:41
Well, here's your world championship trophy.
I'm at a loss for words. Simply amazing.
-Nick
http://youtu.be/bI5hi4c4y9k?t=37s
Omega 13 coming to a comp near you.
Simply outstanding. I love it when teams are able to pull off what conventional thinking has defined as "impossible". (Think 71-2001, 71-2002, 469-2010)
Unrelated, a huge amount respect goes out to your videographers, that was some beautiful cinematography. (Also, the take down of the helicopter was almost as good as the robot flying through the alliance station in 2010)
On a side note about the little helicopter getting picked off : I think IRI has found their new add on! Any team that picks off the little golden helicopter during a match get 50 extra points! It's like the Golden Snitch for a FIRST competiton!
On a side note about the little helicopter getting picked off : I think IRI has found their new add on! Any team that picks off the little golden helicopter during a match get 50 extra points! It's like the Golden Snitch for a FIRST competiton!
Now that's a cool idea.
Also: I'm disappointed... The shooting runner lights that track the frisbee would be even cooler if they were tri-color and identified the color of the frisbee passing through.
Swampdude
22-02-2013, 10:58
The way you guys do integration is exhibit A of modern technological advancement. I would love to be a part of that team and/or just watch it work. Your lead is my hero and I'm sure they can't wait to put one of these together each year. I've been under the assumption government systems would prohibit this kind of efficiency and effectiveness. But if this is NASA's team uninhibited I'm a big believer in you guys. Rock on, and go NASA peeps!
Oh, also, I didn't notice if it picked up an upside down frisbee, and shot it upside down. Can it do that (or flip the frisbees it picks up) too?
XaulZan11
22-02-2013, 11:07
This video actually makes me feel better about our odds. If even the Robonauts aren't hitting 4/4 volleys, maybe we have a shot after all.
And their climbing doesn't seem to be blazing fast, either. That being said, the best thing about this robot is that it does everything very well. For those worried about facing 118, the matches are only 2:15 seconds long so you may not have to face everything 118 can do. An alliance with a better dedicated shooter and a better dedicated climber, has a legit chance. Although, 118's amazing wide range of capibilities give it a scary amount of strategic flexibility in a 3 match elimination round.
Awesome robot and an even better video. Thank you for continuing to inspire us all.
nuggetsyl
22-02-2013, 11:15
I had to watch the video again and I love the wheel on how you climb up.
Andrew Zeller
22-02-2013, 11:19
Epic Video. Perhaps the best all around robot I have ever seen in my years in FIRST. Funny I actually thought about using this song in our reveal video a few months ago.
That is so cool how the hopper moves up from the intake to the shooter as seen at 0:23 in the video.
Mind = Blown
Hopefully, we'll get the opportunity to see that fine machine close up at championships this year. If so, it will be an honor to go toe-to-toe with this unicorn...or, better yet, fight along side it. Now, that would truly be an honor. Best of luck, guys...although, it doesn't seem like you're gonna need it. ;)
ghostmachine360
22-02-2013, 11:29
THE ROBOT GODS HAVE SPOKEN AND DELIVERED US PERFECTION. (Side note: WE ARE NOT WORTHY, WE ARE NOT WORTHY! *insert bowing action and hero worship*)
But seriously, I am starting to regret not refereeing at Lone Star now. Great robot. :D
wendymom
22-02-2013, 11:41
Please approve this video for mobile devices so I can see it from my phone. I won't be able to get to a computer for a while. I'm begging here
Another great robot from 118. Curious why they didn't include actual evidence of a 30 pt climb. Do their outriggers actually allow enough upward penetration at the top to let them raise high enough to clear totally into the top zone? Scene at 2:05 + still shows a 20 pt climb.
For mobile devices...
http://db.tt/GplOG6jT
:ahh: Fantastic robot, as always.
I think I'll go do my taxes now.
Sean Raia
22-02-2013, 11:56
The climbing mechanism on this robot is ingenious.
I cannot believe all of that actuation fits in that robot...
joelg236
22-02-2013, 12:09
Honestly the best designed robot I've seen in FIRST. And the mechanism shown here https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DojyJ9bZ4fk#t=33s
What is it..?
apples000
22-02-2013, 12:18
I'm pretty sure a 2:41 it's a 30 pt climb. You can see the robot bump out as the notched wheel clears the 2nd bar. I'm curious to know what the full climb time is. I'm not sure, but it looks like some refinement could make it go even faster!
z_beeblebrox
22-02-2013, 12:34
This matches 1717 2012 and 254 2011 for amazing awesomeness. How are you aiming? Computer vision? Preset positions? Something else?
JohnFogarty
22-02-2013, 13:03
How did you get the addressable LED light strips running?
Toa Circuit
22-02-2013, 13:18
This...
Im quitting FIRST now. This is awesome. 118, you are by far one of my favorite teams.
There's only a few things I see it doesn't do, neither of which are very big:
1. Dump frisbees (Who cares though when you can probably get a easy shot into the pyramid, though you never showed this in the video)
2. Pick up and shoot upside down disks (Though I don't see this is going to happen much.)
3. Have a fan or other mechanism to block shots
This looks like a bot that would be a dream to drive when it works, and a nightmare to compete against or try and repair. (Or wire)
I would say good luck, but I don't think it would do you any help whatsoever.
TheMadCADer
22-02-2013, 13:24
This looks like a bot that would be a dream to drive when it works, and a nightmare to compete against or try and repair.
It wouldn't be a 118 robot if it doesn't break down in the semi-finals at Lone Star. :p
The thing that impresses me most about 118's robots is how feature-dense they are. While we come up with ideas and look for a subset of them we are confident we can make work, it seems like they manage to pack in everything each year. I'd love to get a closer look at how a machine like this gets designed.
JohnSchneider
22-02-2013, 13:43
How did you get the addressable LED light strips running?
We use the same ones and they go through a 12->5V power converter and then work off the relay ports on the digital sidecar. The code is super way over my head though.
Kevin Sevcik
22-02-2013, 13:50
It wouldn't be a 118 robot if it doesn't break down in the semi-finals at Lone Star. :pQuoted for truth. One of the few weaknesses of 118's robots lately seems to be robustness. Last year they were breaking wheels every other match. Hopefully they've worked out some of those issues this year.
TVwazhere
22-02-2013, 13:53
And the winner of the 2013 FRC Nationals is....
Andrew Lawrence
22-02-2013, 13:55
And the winner of the 2013 FRC Nationals is....
This robot is amazing, and even I admit to calling them champions after seeing the video the first time, but you can't just hand them a trophy yet. They're good, but that does't mean they're Einstein good.
Plus, there's ways you can stop them. It's not all that hard. You just need some smart playing.
Kevin_Morris
22-02-2013, 14:02
http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/51688387f6a1d59e860ab6c4f2a334b38bf1e3a4_m.gif
Definitely one of the best reveal videos I've seen a long time. The aerial shots and bonus footage at the end (as always) were a treat.
Another prime example of a highly competitive robot from 118. Can't wait to see it in person at Lonestar.
They're good, but that does't mean they're Einstein good..
Well, they are Einstein good, they just haven't won Einstein yet. They were on Einstein last year for example. And if it weren't for comm. problems, who knows what could have happened.
Anupam Goli
22-02-2013, 14:18
Well, they are Einstein good, they just haven't won Einstein yet. They were on Einstein last year for example. And if it weren't for comm. problems, who knows what could have happened.
IIRC, it wasn't comms, just some gyro issues.
Definitely a robot that's capable of going. it's not going to be easy to beat them, but anything is possible if there's a field as deep as SVR.
Tom Bottiglieri
22-02-2013, 14:39
Great looking robot. SVR should be fun.
makahn64
22-02-2013, 14:42
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.
Garten Haeska
22-02-2013, 14:52
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
Yes I would like to see the BOM also, there is no way that they have under 4k spent on this robot.
Simply Beautiful.
So many features packed into such a small space, and amazing reveal footage.
Great work!
The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.
Still disappointing that it appears at all... especially when to me it looks like that is just tons of beautiful sheet metal fabrication which is relatively cheap (less COTS parts and smarter design reduce cost). I would guess most robots cost more than this one actually.
Yes I would like to see the BOM also, there is no way that they have under 4k spent on this robot.
It doesn't matter how much in total was spent all that matters is how much the value of the components is, and I can say that this robot does not look like over 4k at all to me, especially because it is all custom parts by the look of it which is just material cost (aka cheap).
Also why bring down a great robot if you are worse than it, I feel better if I am worse than a totally amazing robot; calling it anything less than that just simply brings you down and does not do anyone any good. its pointless and self-defeating to focus on how bad the great robots are when you would be better off focusing on what makes your robot good and and aspiring to become great.
sdcantrell56
22-02-2013, 14:52
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
You should check out the cost of raw materials. If you make all your own components, robots become quite inexpensive.
Drivencrazy
22-02-2013, 14:54
The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.
I wouldn't have been surprised to see this on the first page.
xSAWxBLADEx
22-02-2013, 14:54
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.
I agree, if your team lived near a huge potential you would run after it too. Don't criticize them for what they have, learn from what they do.
Nathan Streeter
22-02-2013, 14:55
If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K.
I doubt the BOM for this robot would be excessive at all - and actually may be quite a bit less than many teams'! FIRST says donated parts (sheets of aluminum laser cut and bent to shape by sponsors) don't count in the cost roll-up... In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Apex had a lower total at the bottom of their BOM than most teams that buy more parts, gearboxes, etc....
FIRST encourages teams to partner with companies and individuals to spread FIRST and elevate the quality of robots and level of play. If you disagree with this, feel free to find one of the dozens of threads about "FRC team philosophy" and take your side... this thread isn't the right place.
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
I'm sorry, but I am so sick of this crap. It's obvious these students and mentors put in a lot of work designing and building this incredible machine. They do it every year. There's no doubt the students have been inspired by this creation (not just 118s, but obviously students from every team that's seen this amazing video...just look at the last 128 comments for proof). And it's not just the students that get inspired by them either. I'm a professional engineer and I'm inspired by this. It's not just this year either, it's year after year. In that respect, 118 embodies everything this entire program is supposed to be about: INSPIRATION. Respect that. Acknowledge that. Support that.
ttakashima
22-02-2013, 14:59
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
I see a lot of parts on 118's robot after watching their video 10 or 15 times that could be considered cheap or free..... Pneumatics-Donated (3), Sensors PDV+Andymark FIRST Choice, Their White plastic material could probably bought for under 200 bucks, sheet aluminum 1/8 wall 4x12 ft for us in hawaii is only $470, manufacture time does not count into their BOM because NASA is a recognized sponsor, electronics can technically mostly be FIRST Choice/KOP, motors FIRST Choice and VEX donation.....
$4000 now looks like a lot doesnt it?
A great usage of KOP items imo....
I would like to add that 118s robot is probably cheaper than our bot and we had a build budget of only $2000 + KOP parts/electronics...
thefro526
22-02-2013, 15:00
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
... Seriously?
The BOM cost of each non-KOP item must be calculated based on the unit fair market value for the material and/or labor, except for labor provided by team members (including sponsor employees who are members of the team) and shipping.
By your logic, there is no team in FRC that would be able to field a legal robot. Assuming a team purchased nothing to build their robot, then they would be left with $4,000 to put towards man power. Even at federal minimum wage, this works out to ~550 man hours... I'm confident that every machine that you'll see on the field this year has more time into it than that.
Even if we ignore man power and consider the machines used, I'd say that you'd still be hard pressed to find a machine that didn't have more than $4,000 in billable machine use/time. (Seems like even smaller/newer teams have a minimum of $2k-3k in tools)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
Can we not have this discussion here? It's a topic that's been beaten to death already, do a quick search on CD and you'll see. Plainly, I'm quite sick of it. How can you draw any conclusion without actually looking at the robot? 3 minutes of video isn't really much to make conclusions off of. Please. Make another thread if you want to gripe about it.
Props to 118. I've followed their robots over the years, this is the most impressive one I've seen to date. However, I'm predicting there will be robots that can match it. I'll be watching the webcasts intently.
nathannfm
22-02-2013, 15:29
I don't care who built this robot, It's still amazing and should be an inspiration to us all.
xSAWxBLADEx
22-02-2013, 15:34
I don't care who built this robot, It's still amazing and should be an inspiration to us all.
that's my opinion too! Every year, 118 inspires our team to dream for the stars, and land on mars. If 118 wasn't there we wouldn't be off the ground. Think about it every superstar has critics. Keep doing what you do 118.
My cousin lives minutes from the Robonauts in Texas and I'm urging her to do whatever it takes to join this team in high school.
118 packs more inspiration into one video than practically anyone else.
AllenGregoryIV
22-02-2013, 15:40
*built
that's my opinion too! Every year, 118 inspires our team to dream for the stars, and land on mars. If 118 wasn't there we wouldn't be off the ground. Think about it every superstar has critics. Keep doing what you do 118.
I've been playing against a 118 robot every year for the past 11 years. Some times we come out ahead but most of the time we don't. However they are always fueling us to do more. My team spent more time this year than ever on our robot, we learned about new technologies and yes we spent more money. Part of the reason we did these things is we knew that we had to compete with the likes of 118 and 148 and that's a good thing. They don't set a bar for others to meet, they prove that there is no bar.
Kevin Sevcik
22-02-2013, 15:41
My cousin lives minutes from the Robonauts in Texas and I'm urging her to do whatever it takes to join this team in high school.
118 packs more inspiration into one video than practically anyone else.FYI, there's a fair number of other teams in the Houston area that aren't too shabby. Just in case she can't, you know, move to an entirely different school district just to be on 118. :rolleyes:
wow!!!! you guys are going to be awesome!!!!
You should check out the cost of raw materials. If you make all your own components, robots become quite inexpensive.
This +1.
We did our own WCD this year. Since we did it ourselves from stock components (except the gearboxes, wheels & sprockets) it costs less than the kit bot drive train.
Hjelstrom
22-02-2013, 15:46
All I can say is wow! We've learned to anticipate 118's reveals and it definitely did not disappoint once again. Seemingly effortless full-court shooting, shooting from anywhere on the field, climbing, floor pickup, picking up 2 side-by-side discs, it seems to do almost everything extremely well. WOW!
FYI, there's a fair number of other teams in the Houston area that aren't too shabby. Just in case she can't, you know, move to an entirely different school district just to be on 118. :rolleyes:
Haha, 57 would be good too :) Know what team Clear Lake High School would be part of?
AllenGregoryIV
22-02-2013, 15:51
Haha, 57 would be good too :) Know what team Clear Lake High School would be part of?
That would be the 118 system, as far as I know.
That would be the 118 system, as far as I know.
:) Thanks
Akash Rastogi
22-02-2013, 16:07
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
I'm glad I know a student from your team who is level-headed.
PayneTrain
22-02-2013, 16:11
The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.
Most trolls do have a bedtime :D .
I know getting my electrical/biometric/computer engineering degree is important and all, and so is employment, but can I apply for a "mentor" position where I really just watch you guys work and try to keep my brain in solid form?
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
The playing field IS level. We all play according to the same rules. There are big sponsors everywhere, you just have to show them you're worthwhile to spend their money on. You'll notice that the superstar teams (148, 118, 217, 254, 1114, 2056, 233, 25, 16, 67, 987, etc) are not concentrated in any one particular area.
The superstars aren't great because they have great sponsors. They have great sponsors BECAUSE they're great.
Nuttyman54
22-02-2013, 16:16
I know getting my electrical/biometric/computer engineering degree is important and all, and so is employment, but can I apply for a "mentor" position where I really just watch you guys work and try to keep my brain in solid form?
You know....
118 does amazing reveal videos every year, it's clear they have a phenomenal media team. It would be really interesting if they did a full documentary style video of their build season. I suspect a lot of people (myself included) would love to watch a feature length documentary on the 118 build process....
Of course, maybe that would involve giving away too many trade secrets :rolleyes:
Joon Park
22-02-2013, 16:18
And of course they chose not to reveal it during premier night.
118 you have exceeded all expectations.
Akash Rastogi
22-02-2013, 16:20
I'm curious, Justin, how many RC helicopters do you guys have to budget for this year? :rolleyes:
Still watched this all morning today between classes. 1) I can't get enough of the bot, 2) brilliantly produced video, 3) I really just wanted to hear Can't Hold Us all day haha.
Of course, maybe that would involve giving away too many trade secrets :rolleyes:
I feel like most of the video would just be blurred out :P
3) I really just wanted to hear Can't Hold Us all day haha.
I saw pics of Macklemore shooting a video on the Row at USC a few weeks ago (probably for this song)...he could have saved some coin and simply used this as the official music video with a few cameos.
One thing that makes FIRST powerful is how we, coming from a community team that works out of a garage with limited resources, have learned so much, have become so inspired, that we know that we can build a robot that can be as successful and excellent as any of the Robonauts' golden robots. Without teams like them, we wouldn't see the potential we have to be excellent! And after spending countless hours buildinng, designing, and outreaching with my teammates, I still wouldn't mind losing to a team like this at all: every endeavor we make benefits our skills, and whenever we become better we inspire others as well. Kudos, Robonauts!
Meredith Novak
22-02-2013, 17:08
Robonauts are a national treasure. Apex is a work of art. It should be in a museum. Immediately.
Great job. Congratulations!
ghostmachine360
22-02-2013, 17:08
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
We have a level playing field. They have the sponsors because they've gone above and beyond to excel in what they do. It's like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhHONpmlxPc
Your logic is like saying Michael Jordan was a great basketball player because of the shoes. He was the best before & after those shoes. Those students that you just discounted with your comment; they worked tirelessly & in seamless collaboration with mentors/sponsors/their community to push the envelope in exceeding the images of extravagant gameplay that FIRST hoped to cultivate within its students. They would probably still be doing this even with the simplest of equipment.
I had the pleasure of attending a Week 0 event locally as a referee & as a member of GeorgiaFIRST. While walking around, I found a robot that looked simply amazing. 4 cylinder shooter, ridiculously exceptional drive train, and an ingenious corkscrew system to adjust their shooting & Frisbee loading. It was something to look at. Wish I had a picture to put here.
When I asked about their materials to create these amazing things, you know what they told me majority of their materials came from?
Their local junkyard. They have the drive, and they have the ingenuity to create something with the simplest of materials and absence of things my old team would consider to be a given right, and they created something I expect to see in the elimination rounds at Peachtree.
The Robonauts are the best because they do the things that are hard, and they have reached and surpassed the point in their collective walk in where they are stepping outside their previous comfort zones, and endeavor to do greater things than others have ever thought or attempted to do. That's the secret to their robot; not the money or the access, but the individual heart and spirit in everyone that steps inside that workshop to go big, and become the best. To finish my annoyance with your statement, here's a quote from President Kennedy that a mentor from another team showed me when I was writing a speech for the Peachtree Regional (and it fits with this team):
“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.”
Again, great robot, great students and mentors; and overall, great team. Makes me proud to know one of the alumni from my alma mater assists as a mentor in this amazing collaborative.
End of rant.
ehfeinberg
22-02-2013, 17:13
How are you guys able to alter the spin of the disc. In some shots, the disc veers hard left, while some veer hard right (and everywhere in between).
Now if I am not mistaken, it looks like the entire top half of the robot can slide up and down (0:49). Is there any particular reason for this?
Beautiful robot! Good luck and we'll see you at competition.
Kevin Sevcik
22-02-2013, 17:18
Robonauts are a national treasure. Apex is a work of art. It should be in a museum. Immediately.*snrk* I'm trying to decide if you meant to do that. :)
Meredith Novak
22-02-2013, 17:20
*snrk* I'm trying to decide if you meant to do that. :)
Of course. But they probably have a dastardly practice robot. :rolleyes:
Brandon_L
22-02-2013, 17:27
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9u1jwxE251rofx3z.gif
ehfeinberg
22-02-2013, 17:27
At some points it looks like you guys pickup/hold/shoot more than 4 discs (0:18). Is this just because you can or was there a specific design choice to hold more than 4 discs?
rcmolloy
22-02-2013, 17:30
I bet if anyone took a look at the 118's Bill of Materials the only thing that would be on there is hard work and that's priceless.
Lil' Lavery
22-02-2013, 17:35
I bet if anyone took a look at the 118's Bill of Materials the only thing that would be on there is hard work and that's priceless.
I'd certainly hope they'd have all the components of their robot on there as well.
This robot is an amazing feat of engineering. The robots 118 builds are only the visual product of what must be an extraordinary program of learning and inspiration, for students and mentors. EVEN IF it was entirely developed by professional engineers, I would still be amazed. Creating such an intricate machine in six weeks is awesome.
You know....
118 does amazing reveal videos every year, it's clear they have a phenomenal media team. It would be really interesting if they did a full documentary style video of their build season. I suspect a lot of people (myself included) would love to watch a feature length documentary on the 118 build process....
Of course, maybe that would involve giving away too many trade secrets :rolleyes:
This would be very interesting, but I would be satisfied with a detailed explanation of their process, from how they manage their team and train their members, to how they distribute and manage the workload of designing and fabricating such a robot. I think I might learn more usable info if they focused their engineering process, not about the specific design decisions they made for this year's robot.
All I can say is that I'd love to attend The 118 School of Project Management and Design.
And that I am inspired by their work.
Clinton Bolinger
22-02-2013, 17:37
At some points it looks like you guys pickup/hold/shoot more than 4 discs (0:18). Is this just because you can or was there a specific design choice to hold more than 4 discs?
Actually, if you look closely their intake lifts and does not pick up the Red or Blue disc that are on the floor. So they are actually using code to prevent them from picking up more the 4 disc.
Great machine, I hope to see it in person at some point this season.
-Clinton-
ehfeinberg
22-02-2013, 18:01
Actually, if you look closely their intake lifts and does not pick up the Red or Blue disc that are on the floor. So they are actually using code to prevent them from picking up more the 4 disc.
Great machine, I hope to see it in person at some point this season.
-Clinton-
But at (0:22) they shoot 5 discs, unless I just can't count.
But at (0:22) they shoot 5 discs, unless I just can't count.
You mean they pick up 5 discs(4 white and 1 red).
kingbrandon14
22-02-2013, 18:14
Go back to Hogwarts. Haha best robot I've seen all year, by far! Can't wait to watch you compete... at EINSTEIN :cool:
Jorge Ayala
22-02-2013, 18:15
It's a shame you are not going to San Antonio this year :(
MichaelaK
22-02-2013, 18:54
Why aren't you guys coming to CT again?!?
jwallace15
22-02-2013, 19:04
Here are some reactions from some of our team members this morning:
Oh my god!
How did they keep this under 120 pounds?
I like the lights!
That robot is legit.
We're done for.
Why can't I be on 118?
(and my personal favourite) That poor helicopter!!!
Seriously. Legit. Robot. I am in love with it!!!
Good luck to you guys this year!
Ankit S.
22-02-2013, 19:20
You guys are truly an inspiration.
I'll make sure to drop by at SVR!
I do not know if someone has brought this up before, but I love the way that you have "passed the torch" from the past years robot to the current years in each of your last two robots unavailing videos.
Alright. This is how I can sum up what I see.
Every team builds a robot. Most of them complete one or a number of the prescribed game challenges. Many of them are competitively successful to some degree. Few of them dominate the competition with nearly every potential ability.
And only one always does what 118 always does.
Congratulations Team 118 on finishing another build season, creating another phenomenal robot, and earning another impressed spectator. If we get back to IRI, I will probably be spending all my free time before quals start in your pit again.
Whoa. 6 weeks!!
I'm filled with emotion from watching the video! 99% inspired and awestricken, and maybe 1% depressed. There are certainly teams (118 clearly included) that are in a league of their own. The CAD, modeling and rapid prototyping to pull off a package like this is a testament to rock solid system engineering practices, planning and a ton of hard work.
Yes teams get to compete side by side, regardless of their experience and resources (there's the inspiring and depressing :) ). Sometimes I feel like there should be levels for competing, or handicap scores, but that's not the real world [and a well traveled CD topic already...]. In the real world you have to compete regardless of the caliber of your competition or you won't even make it out the door.
So congrats to 118 for blowing my mind, and all the teams out there for working hard and doing the best you can with what you have!
I bet if anyone took a look at the 118's Bill of Materials the only thing that would be on there is hard work and that's priceless.
It is most likely that one would also find Dedication, Ingenuity, Perseverance, Experience and Courage.
What did 4334 (ATA) have on their BOM that got them to Einstein?
You know....
118 does amazing reveal videos every year, it's clear they have a phenomenal media team. It would be really interesting if they did a full documentary style video of their build season. I suspect a lot of people (myself included) would love to watch a feature length documentary on the 118 build process....
Of course, maybe that would involve giving away too many trade secrets :rolleyes:
I suspect that a lot of people would pay for a DVD of that. I know I would.
*snrk* I'm trying to decide if you meant to do that. :)
Would your boss happen to have some space free in his facility to start a museum? I think he is the sort of man who would appreciate having the opportunity to admire Apex very day. :D
Chris Fultz
22-02-2013, 21:29
Awesome. An Inspiration to All Teams. Great Machine.
Question: What's the max number of frisbees your hopper can hold? It looks like you can hold a lot more than 4. Just curious.
This(large frisbee capacity) + very fast reliable floor harvest + rapid fire + 118's history (i.e. why not shoot and score while in a triple balance?)
My guess for sometime this season but likely during their very first regional: Their "auto goal" points from one match will be greater than the average regional total for the majority of FRC teams.
From that video I see no reason why they couldn't score at least 60 "auto goal" points in a given match. :eek:
At some points it looks like you guys pickup/hold/shoot more than 4 discs (0:18). Is this just because you can or was there a specific design choice to hold more than 4 discs?
There are quick cuts in this video that are not necessarily in exact chronological sequence. The first frisbee "stream" I noted was revealed in a zoom out to be Apex handling feeder station supplied discs, probably not more than 4 on board at a time. In fact, to suppose that a reveal video from such a high-level effort would point out some deficiency might be considered something of a slight to both the team and video maker. I'll go back and look again, but not because I expect to find error, rather because I like the exposition.
to suppose that a reveal video from such a high-level effort would point out some deficiency
Why would this be a deficiency?
dtengineering
23-02-2013, 00:44
After six weeks of busting our butts to build the best machine we could, I remember what it would feel like to sit down and watch a 118 reveal video.
While I don't have the six weeks of butt-busting any more, these machines and the videos are no less awesome.
It's teams like this that make FRC "the big league" of high school robotics. Well done 118... well done again!
Jason
waialua359
23-02-2013, 02:57
It wouldn't be a 118 robot if it doesn't break down in the semi-finals at Lone Star. :p
It didnt last year.:rolleyes:
Sean Raia
23-02-2013, 19:20
*Gasp*
Is one of your wheels randomly not in contact with the ground at 0:37?
It's on the back and the far side from the camera, i'm just curious as to why that would be.
*Gasp*
Is one of your wheels randomly not in contact with the ground at 0:37?
It's on the back and the far side from the camera, i'm just curious as to why that would be.
I'm assuming the middle wheels are dropped a bit so that would be expected?
toastnbacon
24-02-2013, 18:31
This is a beautiful bot! Does she have a name?
Kevin Sevcik
24-02-2013, 19:15
This is a beautiful bot! Does she have a name?You might want to pay closer attention to the first 5 seconds of the video.:rolleyes:
=Martin=Taylor=
24-02-2013, 23:39
Why didn't I think of that?
Just do everything!! duh :D
Well done. As 120 posts have pointed out, this marks something of a pinnacle in FIRST engineering.
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
This is what they refer to in the hip hop community as a classic case of "Haters gonna hate" :)
Hypothetically, if FIRST concocted some ridiculous rule to limit the capital resources of teams, 118 would STILL dominate because (obviously) they are willing to spend an enormous amount of time prototyping, designing, and building an incredible robot.
I for one am completely content NOT spending that much time building a robot. If a group of people are crazy enough to dedicate this much time to an after-school project, then I say let 'em, and give them some awards too so they keep doing it!
Besides, we're just as likely to play with them as against them in quals.
This robot is an unbelievable triumph of creativity, engineering, and teamwork. 'nuf said
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
I, like Karthik, am incredibly surprised it took this long for a comment like this. But that's just a reflection of how disappointed I am in how ChiefDelphi has turned lately. All I hear is negativity.
Rather than try to tear them down, why don't you talk to the team and see what YOU can do to try to bring yourselves up to their level?!
Every time I hear 'FIRST should level the playing field', what people are usually saying is 'FIRST should bring the playing field down to me, so I don't have to work harder to achieve the level of success someone else has.' Pull yourselves up, don't tear others down. It's much better for everyone that way.
What's truly sad is that people on your team who don't feel this way are probably going to get negative messages just for having the same number on their profile. Because that's the way the world works.
General Disclaimer to CD: Your comments are going to reflect on other people, and that's unfair to your teammates. I hope the backlash from this makes people think about what they say & how it comes across.
They say you should never go to bed angry... too bad I logged onto Chief when I did. I'm honestly pretty disappointed in this forum lately. There are gems, but then there are things like this.
118, you have a beautiful robot and I can't wait to see it in action. Don't let the haters drag you down.
Ian Curtis
25-02-2013, 00:37
I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAg3uMlNyHA) A seriously beautiful machine, can't wait to watch it playing on the field.
I was trying to fly without leaving the ground,
Cause I wanted to be like Mike, right
Wanted to be him, I wanted to be that guy, I wanted to touch the rim
I wanted to be cool, and I wanted to fit in,
I wanted what he had, America, it begins
I want to fly
Can you take me far away
Give me a star to reach for
Tell me what it takes
And I'll go so high
I'll go so high
My feet won't touch the ground
I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAg3uMlNyHA) A seriously beautiful machine, can't wait to watch it playing on the field.
Wait, you mean Macklemore has more songs other than Thrift Shop??? :P
Andrew Zeller
25-02-2013, 01:10
I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAg3uMlNyHA) A seriously beautiful machine, can't wait to watch it playing on the field.
While I absolutely love Macklemore, I was thinking Up and Away (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5xzaDo5Q54) by Can't Stop Won't Stop would also be fitting for an awesome Level 3 climber unveiling video.
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.
You also realize that no team on the World Champion alliance last year had any sort of facility to fabricate parts for them like 118 does. There's a plethora of good teams that don't. 118 just happens to one good team that has that kind of sponsorship.
Also, keep in mind: you don't become great because of your sponsors, you become sponsored because of your greatness.
Also, keep in mind: you don't become great because of your sponsors, you become sponsored because of your greatness.
Well put! Quoted for truth.
Tristan Lall
25-02-2013, 02:22
I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAg3uMlNyHA)
I'm puzzled why I've never heard of this Macklemore. He's got good stuff in his music—a proper instrumental track, amusing satire, trenchant commentary on consumerism and religion, proper reverence for baseball and delicate political activism. On his website, he even posted this (http://macklemore.com/post/43688861186/wings-the-nba-all-star-game-selling-out) genuinely thoughtful justification for watering down his song critiquing consumerism so the NBA could use it without offending Nike—and how in doing so, he was craftily playing the long game.
Oh, and that was a pretty cool robot too.
efoote868
25-02-2013, 02:26
Other than the reveal video, are there specs you would care to release? (Things that you can't tell from the video or wouldn't be able to tell without seeing your robot in the pits or on a field).
Was there space for a shifting transmission, what are the reductions / top speeds?
How fast can you climb the pyramid outside a controlled setting?
And most importantly, have you tested to find the limit to your shooter's range? :D
JohnSchneider
25-02-2013, 03:48
Other than the reveal video, are there specs you would care to release? (Things that you can't tell from the video or wouldn't be able to tell without seeing your robot in the pits or on a field).
Was there space for a shifting transmission, what are the reductions / top speeds?
How fast can you climb the pyramid outside a controlled setting?
And most importantly, have you tested to find the limit to your shooter's range? :D
118 is one of the most open teams I have ever encountered at a competition. If you ask them they will invite you into their pit and tell you how they came about each and every part of their robot. I recall them having brochures last year that also detailed every technical aspect.
Might just ask them for a copy of that brochure if you aren't going to run into them in person. (And assuming they put one out this year)
Also, keep in mind: you don't become great because of your sponsors, you become sponsored because of your greatness.
A++
Now I'm curious as to who would come out on top in a one-on-one between Titanium (1986) and Robonauts (118).
BASED ON REVEAL VIDEOS
(Let's say it's a full court match with all 45 discs each.)
Autonomous: It would appear that Titanium has a stronger autonomous mode, whereas Robonauts did not show off a multi-load autonomous.
Titanium - 42pts
Robonauts - 18pts
Teleoperated: I have to say, Robonauts would take the teleoperated period based off of their ability to fire off full court. Titanium, while bringing a strong, accurate shooter to the table, have not yet shown off an ability to fire full court. In this one on one, Robonauts do not have to worry about heavy defense, so they would be able to fire off all 45 discs for an easy 135 points, and have time to spare to get in place for a climb. Titanium requires a 4 disc cycle, and as stated, they have a 17 second cycle. As they also need some climb time, that affords them 5 cycles, for 60 points.
Titanium - 102pts
Robonauts - 153pts.
End Game: Robonauts might just take the end game, and for one very specific reason. Colored discs. As Titanium climbs on the inside, it would be difficult for them in their current configuration to score the colored discs. Robonauts, however, climb on the outside and would be easily able to "punt" the colored discs in and I would be surprised if they do not. But, as this ability has not been shown yet, I am unable to award them the extra 20 points, *as their shooter faces the wrong direction. Thus, each robot receives 30 points.
Total
Titanium - 132pts
Robonauts - 183ptsu
And thus, Robonauts might actually come out on top IN A ONE-ON-ONE. However, if Titanium is able to reduce their trip time to about 10 seconds, it would be a very different game. As well, if this were match conditions (meaning there are 4 other robots on the field), Robonauts cross-court shots would be greatly reduced and Titanium would come out on top due to their massive point lead through Autonomous.
Just my $.02 and waiting until Week 1 start. Titanium will be at Hub City, Week 1. Robonauts first event is Lone Star, Week 2. Hopefully, Titanium will not be affected by the perils of competing Week 1.
0% chance you will see any long range shooter make over 20 discs in a match and have 100% accuracy. So your assumption is taking some HUGE liberties with the scores.
EricLeifermann
25-02-2013, 12:29
0% chance you will see any long range shooter make over 20 discs in a match and have 100% accuracy. So your assumption is taking some HUGE liberties with the scores.
I agree on the 100% accuracy, I disagree on the more than 20 discs. If left alone 118 could easily make 30-35 discs in an entire match.
I agree on the 100% accuracy, I disagree on the more than 20 discs. If left alone 118 could easily make 30-35 discs in an entire match.
Oh no no no, I didnt mean they couldnt make the 20 in a match; I meant that you wont see a team make 20+ in a match while having a 100% accuracy. I full well see teams getting 20+ this year in a single match. Sorry for the confusion in my post.
Dr. Shocker
25-02-2013, 13:21
Now I'm curious as to who would come out on top
...BASED ON REVEAL VIDEOS ...
End Game: Robonauts might just take the end game, and for one very specific reason. Colored discs. As Titanium climbs on the inside, it would be difficult for them in their current configuration to score the colored discs. Robonauts, however, climb on the outside and would be easily able to "punt" the colored discs in and I would be surprised if they do not. But, as this ability has not been shown yet, I am unable to award them the extra 20 points.
They may have been able to lightly shoot/punt discs into the pyramid goal from the top if they're shooter was on the same side as they're climber, but as it stands their shooter faces outward when they climb, so I doubt they are able to add these points easily.
They may have been able to lightly shoot/punt discs into the pyramid goal from the top if they're shooter was on the same side as they're climber, but as it stands their shooter faces outward when they climb, so I doubt they are able to add these points easily.
Oh was it? My bad. I couldn't view the video when I made that post. (School's keeping me down...)
You also fail to mention that 118's 30 point climb seems a lot slower than 1986's. They've got a clocked time at 21 seconds which is the fastest seen in the competition so far (shameless plug: ours has been clocked at 23...but we may be able to trim some built in delay times to make it a tight race ;)) Anyways, until we really see how slow (or fast) 118's climb is, we really can't tell which is theoretically superior to the other. For my money, if I was in the envious position of having to make an alliance selection between those two beautifully engineered machines, I'd take 1986. Full court shooting when you're less than 30 inches tall is going to be moot as soon as you stick a defender in front of you. Once you eliminate that factor, 1986 looks to be the superior machine.
EricLeifermann
25-02-2013, 13:47
You also fail to mention that 118's 30 point climb seems a lot slower than 1986's. They've got a clocked time at 21 seconds which is the fastest seen in the competition so far (shameless plug: ours has been clocked at 23...but we may be able to trim some built in delay times to make it a tight race ;)) Anyways, until we really see how slow (or fast) 118's climb is, we really can't tell which is theoretically superior to the other. For my money, if I was in the envious position of having to make an alliance selection between those two beautifully engineered machines, I'd take 1986. Full court shooting when you're less than 30 inches tall is going to be moot as soon as you stick a defender in front of you. Once you eliminate that factor, 1986 looks to be the superior machine.
I wouldn't say no to either being on my alliance but, taking away full court shooting and at this current time of only seeing video, I would take 118 over 1986 for the simple reason of how fast 118's floor pickup is. Now that might not matter come Champs when there might not be a ton of discs on the floor.
Also love 2481's robot, can't wait for Wisconsin...
I wouldn't say no to either being on my alliance but, taking away full court shooting and at this current time of only seeing video, I would take 118 over 1986 for the simple reason of how fast 118's floor pickup is. Now that might not matter come Champs when there might not be a ton of discs on the floor.
Also love 2481's robot, can't wait for Wisconsin...
Well, obviously I wouldn't say no to either of them either. That would just be insane. The fact that we're having a legit theoretical debate about this is proof enough that both those teams look to be redonkulously good.
In any case, with the recent rule change, I'm not quite sure how big of a factor floor pickup will be come competition time now. That's the biggest thing I'm going to be looking for with regionals starting this weekend. I could definitely see if an alliance robot was sent back to the feeder station with the role of dumping discs on the groud as close to the goal as possible for floor loaders to feast on, then 118 may have a slight edge in possible points per second scoring rate. I don't know, maybe coupling that trade off with the climb speed of 1986 and it's a legitimately even wash between the two of them. In that case, maybe it comes down to alliance synergy preference. If so, I'll take the faster climb speed so it can remain an active tele-op factor for as long as possible, in whatever role it's performing - offensively or defensively. Based on your comments, it seems like you'd prefer the faster floor pickup...
hmmmm...could that be a possible hint at what Wave's bringing to Wisconsin? ;)
Thanks for the kind words regarding our robot and we're obviously very much looking forward to see what you're bringing to Wisconsin this year, as well. Hopefully, we'll get the chance to share the field this year. It should be a ton of fun! Can't wait!
Best of luck to you guys!
Now I'm curious as to who would come out on top in a one-on-one between Titanium (1986) and Robonauts (118).
Teleoperated: I have to say, Robonauts would take the teleoperated period based off of their ability to fire off full court. Titanium, while bringing a strong, accurate shooter to the table, have not yet shown off an ability to fire full court. In this one on one, Robonauts do not have to worry about heavy defense, so they would be able to fire off all 45 discs for an easy 135 points, and have time to spare to get in place for a climb. Titanium requires a 4 disc cycle, and as stated, they have a 17 second cycle. As they also need some climb time, that affords them 5 cycles, for 60 points.
Titanium - 102pts
Robonauts - 153pts.
End Game: Robonauts might just take the end game, and for one very specific reason. Colored discs. As Titanium climbs on the inside, it would be difficult for them in their current configuration to score the colored discs. Robonauts, however, climb on the outside and would be easily able to "punt" the colored discs in and I would be surprised if they do not. But, as this ability has not been shown yet, I am unable to award them the extra 20 points, *as their shooter faces the wrong direction. Thus, each robot receives 30 points.
I imagine that in this hypothetical match titanium would just sit and block 118, instead of attempting to score. Full court shooting from that low is pretty easy to stop.
Even in this hypothetical scenario it would still be much closer than you make it out to be. And if I was selecting for a real world alliance 1986 would win out in my books.
You can definitely figure out who to pick first for your alliance from a minute and a half of video of teams showing only their finest moments, all alone, on their practice fields...
Right?
You can definitely figure out who to pick first for your alliance from a minute and a half of video of teams showing only their finest moments, all alone, on their practice fields...
Right?
seeing as that's all we've got to go on right now... yes! ;)
=Martin=Taylor=
25-02-2013, 16:41
Teleoperated: I have to say, Robonauts would take the teleoperated period based off of their ability to fire off full court. Titanium, while bringing a strong, accurate shooter to the table, have not yet shown off an ability to fire full court. In this one on one, Robonauts do not have to worry about heavy defense, so they would be able to fire off all 45 discs for an easy 135 points, and have time to spare to get in place for a climb. Titanium requires a 4 disc cycle, and as stated, they have a 17 second cycle. As they also need some climb time, that affords them 5 cycles, for 60 points.
Titanium - 102pts
Robonauts - 153pts.
Robonauts are <30", should be really easy to block them for full-court shots.
But someone will have to do it. I'm sure a lot of disorganized alliances will fail to stop them quickly enough.
waialua359
25-02-2013, 16:54
When I see the Robonauts unveil video annually, I see one of the best fabricated, engineered robots every season.
We were lucky to have been able to compete, both playing against them and with them during eliminations at Lone Star in 2012.
I could stare at it all day, marveling at how well the machine is built, how beautiful it is, and how cool it is with the LED's, laser cut (water jet) features, etc.
The best part of the video is the choice of music and how its timed with what's being showed in the video. That in itself has inspired many other teams to do the same at their own unveiling.
However, many in this thread are already trying to predict scoring scenarios based on this video clip.
As Cory has mentioned earlier, I dont think any team features too much on missed shots, robots falling (I heard of a few already. :ahh: ), and other mishaps in robot practice and filming.
On another note with regards to full court shooting, shooters are very similar this year.
Its no secret on how to make shooters more reliable, shoot farther, or faster (with PID and other similar programming aids).
The question becomes what is viable for your team and alliance, especially during eliminations.
We have a shooter that can shoot reliably from full court distance and quickly. However, you can bet that we would never do it in a match as our primary means of offense. One missed shot from a load of 4 discs is too low of a percentage, especially with a tall robot right in front of you 60" tall.
NotaJoke
25-02-2013, 18:25
On another note with regards to full court shooting, shooters are very similar this year.
Its no secret on how to make shooters more reliable, shoot farther, or faster (with PID and other similar programming aids).
The question becomes what is viable for your team and alliance, especially during eliminations.
We have a shooter that can shoot reliably from full court distance and quickly. However, you can bet that we would never do it in a match as our primary means of offense. One missed shot from a load of 4 discs is too low of a percentage, especially with a tall robot right in front of you 60" tall.
What stops a tall robot from defending a short robot at a close distance? Not to mention the inevitable trouble of trekking across the field for each cycle of four shots. Plus the missed shots from full court will save any floor loading robot a considerable amount of time and potential distance traveled as the disks are brought to them, instead of vice versa.
Then again, this is all theory crafting. I expect full court game play to be immensely huge this weekend, regardless of whether the disks end up in the goals right away, or if they're merely being passed from robot to robot.
I am getting a bit off topic though. The only really visible pluses to Team Titanium's bot right now would be their floor-loading autonomous mode, and faster climbing speed. I assume, however, that a team like 118 will soon have a similar monster-auto, and the corner climb frees a lot of space for a potential triple high climb. These two robots are both excellent top picks, with outstanding release videos. They're both a source of inspiration for rookies and power houses alike.
waialua359
25-02-2013, 21:15
What stops a tall robot from defending a short robot at a close distance? Not to mention the inevitable trouble of trekking across the field for each cycle of four shots. Plus the missed shots from full court will save any floor loading robot a considerable amount of time and potential distance traveled as the disks are brought to them, instead of vice versa.
Then again, this is all theory crafting. I expect full court game play to be immensely huge this weekend, regardless of whether the disks end up in the goals right away, or if they're merely being passed from robot to robot.
I'm not sure if this is your opinion about 118 vs 1986 in general or a response to my post.
"What stops a tall robot from defending a short robot at a close distance?"
Easy. The Pyramid.
"Not to mention the inevitable trouble of trekking across the field for each cycle of four shots. Plus the missed shots from full court will save any floor loading robot a considerable amount of time and potential distance traveled as the disks are brought to them, instead of vice versa."
This depends on how fast/effective you are on traversing the field. Any shot missed can be picked up by your opponent as well.
"I expect full court game play to be immensely huge this weekend, regardless of whether the disks end up in the goals right away, or if they're merely being passed from robot to robot."
If you had an alliance formed where this was your main strategy, I'll make sure my 60" robot alliance partner is there to greet you.
JohnSchneider
25-02-2013, 21:19
I'm not sure if this is your opinion about 118 vs 1986 in general or a response to my post.
"What stops a tall robot from defending a short robot at a close distance?"
Easy. The Pyramid.
"Not to mention the inevitable trouble of trekking across the field for each cycle of four shots. Plus the missed shots from full court will save any floor loading robot a considerable amount of time and potential distance traveled as the disks are brought to them, instead of vice versa."
This depends on how fast/effective you are on traversing the field. Any shot missed can be picked up by your opponent as well.
"I expect full court game play to be immensely huge this weekend, regardless of whether the disks end up in the goals right away, or if they're merely being passed from robot to robot."
If you had an alliance formed where this was your main strategy, I'll make sure my 60" robot alliance partner is there to greet you.
You dont even need a 60" partner. You just need to bring a 60" wall with you to your regional and strap it to whichever lucky robot you pick 3rd.
You dont even need a 60" partner. You just need to bring a 60" wall with you to your regional and strap it to whichever lucky robot you pick 3rd.
Or even better....bring in a pile of raw materials that can be made into a wall. There's a penalty for fabrication.
I think full-court shots are going to be a large factor in qualification matches, but not as significant in eliminations.
And for fun....I'd pick 118 in a heartbeat, and I sure hope they'd pick us. Why do we have to make an either/or choice? :)
Or even better....bring in a pile of raw materials that can be made into a wall. There's a penalty for fabrication.
I think full-court shots are going to be a large factor in qualification matches, but not as significant in eliminations.
And for fun....I'd pick 118 in a heartbeat, and I sure hope they'd pick us. Why do we have to make an either/or choice? :)
Mostly because the rest of us aren't on 1986 or 118 ;)
JohnSchneider
25-02-2013, 23:57
Or even better....bring in a pile of raw materials that can be made into a wall. There's a penalty for fabrication.
I think full-court shots are going to be a large factor in qualification matches, but not as significant in eliminations.
And for fun....I'd pick 118 in a heartbeat, and I sure hope they'd pick us. Why do we have to make an either/or choice? :)
Why bring materials at all? Just use the pizza boxes from lunch time to construct a large cardboard wall.
Anupam Goli
26-02-2013, 00:00
Why bring materials at all? Just use the pizza boxes from lunch time to construct a large cardboard wall.
In this case, would the cardboard count as the raw material, or would it be fabricated since it originally had pizza inside of it?
Why bring materials at all? Just use the pizza boxes from lunch time to construct a large cardboard wall.
My mechanical design abilities are very limited (computer guy) but I'm going to be very impressed to see a cardboard wall that can stand up to more than a couple of shots from a team like 1806 or 118. I think you'll need something for bracing.
And anyway, wouldn't you get penalized for the bits of cheese that stayed in the field? :D
rachelholladay
26-02-2013, 00:35
Mostly because the rest of us aren't on 1986 or 118 ;)
Says the member of the Eh team...
(Speaking of which, I'm sure we would love to you guy's bot)
In this case, would the cardboard count as the raw material, or would it be fabricated since it originally had pizza inside of it?
Definitely COTS = cheese on top slices
Libraryfanatic
26-02-2013, 12:04
[QUOTE=ghostmachine360;1238778]
“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.”
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Kudos for choosing a space race quote.
swwrobotics
10-03-2013, 11:41
I bet their robot weighed 118 lbs ;)
xSAWxBLADEx
10-03-2013, 12:30
I bet their robot weighed 118 lbs ;)
a little late :) I did that joke in I think the 3-4 page of the thread.
EDIT:I know I said it somewhere...but I can't find it :/
Priyesh69
17-03-2013, 11:41
may i know the technical specs of the robot.
-type of wheel
-gear box used
-piston and motors
kingbrandon14
17-03-2013, 12:49
Yes, what kind of wheel(s) are used for the shooter? Are they custom or were you just able to buy them?
Cash4587
17-03-2013, 15:16
Yes, what kind of wheel(s) are used for the shooter? Are they custom or were you just able to buy them?
While I was at LSR I had a chance to see them do some repair on their shooting wheel. From what I saw, All it was was a round piece of foam spray glued onto a disk that was spun by a mini cim. Quite innovative if you ask me..
apples000
12-05-2013, 10:57
Now that the season is over, does anybody know what ended up happening to 118's 30 point climber? I loved the design that they showed in their video, but I never saw a full video of it climbing.
Teamcodeorange
12-05-2013, 11:00
Yes, what kind of wheel(s) are used for the shooter? Are they custom or were you just able to buy them?
It is just a foam circle, sure wish we thought of that. It's like THIS (http://www.partwell.com/images/pictures/photos/products/bu2/4-stripping-forme-parts/grey-and-yellow-foam.jpg) sorta stuff.
Edit: That is, a foam circle with round sheet metal on the top and bottom to keep it in the right shape while it's spinning.
Andrew Lawrence
12-05-2013, 12:51
Now that the season is over, does anybody know what ended up happening to 118's 30 point climber? I loved the design that they showed in their video, but I never saw a full video of it climbing.
They had to take off their 30 point climber due to weight issues.
Ankit S.
12-05-2013, 14:44
They had to take off their 30 point climber due to weight issues.
Partially true.
They also looked at how long it took to climb to 30 and decided that they could score more points by cycling rather than by climbing. Also the falling factor came into play.
After they took their climber off they reinforced other areas of the frame, so if they were to re-attach their climber now, they would have weight issues.
Source: The awesome mustached mentor from 118 at SVR.
They had to take off their 30 point climber due to weight issues.
Perfect IRI addition?:) I would love to see this climber in action.
mman1506
12-05-2013, 17:36
Perfect IRI addition?:) I would love to see this climber in action.
I doubt it. Even 254's uber fast 30 point climber was barely worth it most of the time.
MichaelBick
12-05-2013, 18:25
I doubt it. Even 254's uber fast 30 point climber was barely worth it most of the time.
If they add it it would also probably be a completely new design. From what I heard they weren't happy at all with that climber, and believed there was no way for them to make it fast enough to make it worth it. Also, the current design interferes with their more effective cycling HP feed.
Justin Ridley
12-05-2013, 21:50
Taking the climber off prior to our first regional was 100% not due to weight. It was instead due to the fact that it just wasn't good enough. Good enough for us was a 10-15 second climb. This was the metric we were shooting for during the 6 weeks. When we went into the bag, the climber was at its best 30-45 seconds to line up to the pyramid and climb to the top. After seeing how discs were being scored in the week 1 regionals we decided we could add a simple 10 point hang and score more than the 20 "extra" climb points with discs in those last 45 seconds.
With the climber we were right near 120lbs. Removing it allowed us to "put weight" into other systems and make them better, increasing the overall scoring potential of the robot.
In addition the climbing was always extremely nerve racking and we weren't at the point where we had confidence we wouldn't fall. Taking it off and eliminating the possibility of a tournament ending face plant was a side benefit of our decision.
We kept working on the climber but realized it was never going to meet our speed metric. In addition we'd need to re-lighten mechanisms back to their original config to put it back. We decided the robot would always be better overall without it.
It was a cool climbing method that we spent A LOT of time on. It's too bad it didn't pan out but it was fun to work on and taught us a lot.
ehfeinberg
12-05-2013, 21:54
Taking the climber off prior to our first regional was 100% not due to weight. It was instead due to the fact that it just wasn't good enough. Good enough for us was a 10-15 second climb. This was the metric we were shooting for during the 6 weeks. When we went into the bag, the climber was at its best 30-45 seconds to line up to the pyramid and climb to the top. After seeing how discs were being scored in the week 1 regionals we decided we could add a simple 10 point hang and score more than the 20 "extra" climb points with discs in those last 45 seconds.
With the climber we were right near 120lbs. Removing it allowed us to "put weight" into other systems and make them better, increasing the overall scoring potential of the robot.
In addition the climbing was always extremely nerve racking and we weren't at the point where we had confidence we wouldn't fall. Taking it off and eliminating the possibility of a tournament ending face plant was a side benefit of our decision.
We kept working on the climber but realized it was never going to meet our speed metric. In addition we'd need to re-lighten mechanisms back to their original config to put it back. We decided the robot would always be better overall without it.
It was a cool climbing method that we spent A LOT of time on. It's too bad it didn't pan out but it was fun to work on and taught us a lot.
Do you at least have some raw footage of your climber? Or do you have any plans to put it back on during the offseason? I would love to see it in action (and not just the edited version in the release video).
Steven Donow
12-05-2013, 21:56
Taking the climber off prior to our first regional was 100% not due to weight. It was instead due to the fact that it just wasn't good enough. Good enough for us was a 10-15 second climb. This was the metric we were shooting for during the 6 weeks. When we went into the bag, the climber was at its best 30-45 seconds to line up to the pyramid and climb to the top. After seeing how discs were being scored in the week 1 regionals we decided we could add a simple 10 point hang and score more than the 20 "extra" climb points with discs in those last 45 seconds.
With the climber we were right near 120lbs. Removing it allowed us to "put weight" into other systems and make them better, increasing the overall scoring potential of the robot.
Just out of curiousity, what were some of the additional improvements you made?
MichaelBick
12-05-2013, 22:52
Just out of curiousity, what were some of the additional improvements you made?
I believe the biggest one was their hopper. They have a cycling hopper that feeds from the lowest feeder slot instead of the middle. This makes it more reliable and much faster to cycle faster.
Abhishek R
13-05-2013, 00:10
How did the extensions near the ground pickup work, the ones used to gather all 7 discs in autonomous? Did it extend out as the match started, or was it always in the extended position? I never got a chance to look at it closely...
Walter Deitzler
13-05-2013, 00:28
How did the extensions near the ground pickup work, the ones used to gather all 7 discs in autonomous? Did it extend out as the match started, or was it always in the extended position? I never got a chance to look at it closely...
They extended out as the match started, I seem to recall.
Mark Sheridan
13-05-2013, 01:50
118 should do an IRI "reveal" video to show their current setup (or perhaps IRI changes).
apples000
13-05-2013, 16:53
I'd also love to see some pictures of their climber. I stopped by their pit in St Louis to see their floor pickup, but I've never seen the climber up close.
Iaquinto.Joe
13-05-2013, 20:06
I'd also love to see some pictures of their climber. I stopped by their pit in St Louis to see their floor pickup, but I've never seen the climber up close.
Their 30pt climber was taken off due to weight issues.
Their 30pt climber was taken off due to weight issues.
Taking the climber off prior to our first regional was 100% not due to weight. It was instead due to the fact that it just wasn't good enough. Good enough for us was a 10-15 second climb. This was the metric we were shooting for during the 6 weeks. When we went into the bag, the climber was at its best 30-45 seconds to line up to the pyramid and climb to the top. After seeing how discs were being scored in the week 1 regionals we decided we could add a simple 10 point hang and score more than the 20 "extra" climb points with discs in those last 45 seconds.
With the climber we were right near 120lbs. Removing it allowed us to "put weight" into other systems and make them better, increasing the overall scoring potential of the robot.
In addition the climbing was always extremely nerve racking and we weren't at the point where we had confidence we wouldn't fall. Taking it off and eliminating the possibility of a tournament ending face plant was a side benefit of our decision.
We kept working on the climber but realized it was never going to meet our speed metric. In addition we'd need to re-lighten mechanisms back to their original config to put it back. We decided the robot would always be better overall without it.
It was a cool climbing method that we spent A LOT of time on. It's too bad it didn't pan out but it was fun to work on and taught us a lot.
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waialua359
14-05-2013, 02:28
I never got a chance to see this robot in action, in person.
I get 2 consecutive weeks in July and our robot gets to "sit" next to it, in between events.:)
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