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Team 907 will be attending the Greater Toronto West Regional, however we are not officially signed up yet. We have not missed the premier Canadian event since its inception in 2002.
I know of quite a few more teams planning to join us at the Hershey Center, including at least 1 more American team, but I'll let them release that on their own accord.
Fun fact: This regional has had 3 different names in its history. 2002 and 2003 it was called the Canadian Regional, but in 2004 Waterloo was added, so it changed to the Greater Toronto Regional. In 2011, a double regional took place, so the event was renamed as the Greater Toronto East and Greater Toronto West regionals. In 2012, GTR East split off and is now its own regional in Oshawa, hence the current Greater Toronto West Regional.
Current team list:
190-American
771
854
886
1075
1310
1334
1404
1503
1547
2185
2634
2935
3560
3571
3705
3739
4152
4343
4497
4595
4659
4688
4704
4716
Rookies are in bold
akoscielski3
30-10-2012, 22:37
Though we are not signed up yet either 77WHO?! will be returnign to the Hershey Center once again! and also we are another team that has never missed a regional at the Hershey Center. With Smoky Mountains the same weekend this was almost our first time that we would miss it. However we made the decision to come to GTR over SMR.
We are very proud to be bringing a long a few new rookie teams from the Windsor area. These are the first rookie teams we have ever started, so we are proud of our accomplishment. 1 of our rookies is going to Waterloo because they were unable to make it to GTR West on this weekend.
Teams
4595 - Panthers
4688 - Saints (previous school of FRC Team 776, who competed until 2004)
4716 - Purple Raiders
our 4th team is 4647 - Vista Vortex Competing at Waterloo.
2185Bilal
02-11-2012, 08:30
WOHOO, i am so pumped about GTR West.
We also have kept the tradition and not have missed a single regional at Hershey Center. We really wanted to go to Waterloo but the regional is now full :'(
But we are also making some arrangements and there is a possibilty we may go to GTR East.
WOHOO
Hope to see all the wonderful teams in Canada at GTR West ::safety::
akoscielski3
02-11-2012, 08:49
WOHOO, i am so pumped about GTR West.
We also have kept the tradition and not have missed a single regional at Hershey Center. We really wanted to go to Waterloo but the regional is now full :'(
But we are also making some arrangements and there is a possibilty we may go to GTR East.
WOHOO
Hope to see all the wonderful teams in Canada at GTR West ::safety::
I think you mean since your teams existence you have never missed one, which since 2007 you have been to all of them. Us and 907, i believe other teams like 188 and 610, have been to every FIRST Robotics Regional that was held at the Hershey Centre. So since 2002 we have always been to the regional there.
Can't wait for GTR West and Waterloo this year! They're gonna be great!
EDIT: neither 610 or 188 have been to every GTR event at the Hershey centre.
2185Bilal
02-11-2012, 20:26
yeah my bad thats wat i meant,
im just wondering how are people preparing for this season. Like are teams building dummy robots, are they learning about the drive system, etc
Feroz1325
02-11-2012, 20:53
Team 1325 has also never missed a GTR west regional (since our founding) and will be returning in 2013!
As for what we have been doing over the summer? We have overhauled our strategy and design methodology and are building a new drive train as we speak :D.
Good luck to all teams, and we will see you in Mississauga!
im just wondering how are people preparing for this season. Like are teams building dummy robots, are they learning about the drive system, etc
We have just finished the CAD for a sheetmetal practice drivetrain that we will be putting together in the coming weeks thanks to our new sheet metal sponsor.
cpeister
03-11-2012, 00:13
I think you mean since your teams existence you have never missed one, which since 2007 you have been to all of them. Us and 907, i believe other teams like 188 and 610, have been to every FIRST Robotics Regional that was held at the Hershey Centre. So since 2002 we have always been to the regional there.
Can't wait for GTR West and Waterloo this year! They're gonna be great!
EDIT: neither 610 or 188 have been to every GTR event at the Hershey centre.
781 had a good run at the Hershey Centre for the first 10 years, but wasn't there in 2012.
whcirobotics
03-11-2012, 16:15
Unfortunately Team 1514 the Vikes will not be attending any games this year:ahh:
But on a side note, one of mentors is going to try and learn Labview so when the team starts back up their will be someone on the team that can help us poor students out.:D
Nick Lawrence
03-11-2012, 18:05
Unfortunately Team 1514 the Vikes will not be attending any games this year:ahh:
But on a side note, one of mentors is going to try and learn Labview so when the team starts back up their will be someone on the team that can help us poor students out.:D
Why?
-Nick
GTR needs more American teams.
It's too great a regional not to have more American teams come and witness how awesome a regional it is.
Up to 33 teams. 21 spaces left until initial capacity. Max capacity is presumably 64 teams.
Current team list:
190-American
771
772
854
886
1075
1114
1241
1305
1310
1325
1334
1404
1503
1547
1815
2013
2056
2185
2634
2935
3560
3571
3705
3739
4343
4497
4595
4659
4688
4704
4716
4762
Rookies are in bold
Travis Hoffman
03-11-2012, 19:44
GTR needs more American teams.
It's too great a regional not to have more American teams come and witness how awesome a regional it is.
When an American team reaches six, let us know; then we'll go back. ;)
When an American team reaches six, let us know; then we'll go back. ;)
I promise not to pull anymore pranks on 48 if they return. (no less either):D
Team that have never missed a regional at the Hershey Center:
771
772
854
907
919 (signed up for GTR East this year, but thus far have not missed one)
2185Bilal
07-11-2012, 17:47
We have just finished the CAD for a sheetmetal practice drivetrain that we will be putting together in the coming weeks thanks to our new sheet metal sponsor.
That great. We have recently made Robotics, as a course that is offered to our students. Currently in that class, the students are building two robots with different design concepts, with a purpose of to see which design system works the best and in what condition.
Aside from that, we have also started to think of a possible drive train to be used for the 2013 season, we call it Ramzdrive, LOL
1114 and 1075 have only missed the 2002 Canadian Regional, since they were rookies in 2003, but have been to every one since.
EDIT: Er, wait. I forgot we didn't play in 2005.
1482 won't be able to make it out to the GTR this year, due to the time proximity to the new Western Canada regional. I'm happy that we've got a regional going over here, but I'll be sad to not go to this always great regional. We've been going to Toronto every year since 04 (though in 2011 we went to the East regional), it'll be a shame to miss some of the best Canadian teams. You guys should come out here, we could use some more veteran Canadian teams. Right now, half of the teams registered are rookie teams. We've still got 11 spots open! [this concludes the regional advertisement :p]
36 Teams now
Current team list:
190-American
771
772
854
886
907
1075
1114
1241
1305
1310
1325
1334
1404
1503
1547
1815
2013
2056
2185
2634
2935
3560
3571
3705
3739
4015
4069
4518
4497
4595
4659
4688
4704
4716
4762
Rookies are in bold
Seems like 4343 moved from West to East now
smcmahon
20-11-2012, 11:49
GTR-West is at the top of FRC 2656's list for a second Regional. We currently don't have the funding, but the kids are working hard on it. We'd LOVE to come to Canada for this event.
[If we do get the funding, we'd like to talk to teams that cross the border about logistics. Not sure what all we need as far as passports and/or other regulations.]
akoscielski3
20-11-2012, 12:59
GTR-West is at the top of FRC 2656's list for a second Regional. We currently don't have the funding, but the kids are working hard on it. We'd LOVE to come to Canada for this event.
[If we do get the funding, we'd like to talk to teams that cross the border about logistics. Not sure what all we need as far as passports and/or other regulations.]
There was a recent thread made about crossing the border (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109443&highlight=crossing+border).
If you need anymore help you could PM me. We cross the border at least once every year for Competitions
smcmahon
20-11-2012, 21:36
Thanks Aaron! We'll keep that in mind if we can rustle up the funding.
akoscielski3
20-11-2012, 22:00
Thanks Aaron! We'll keep that in mind if we can rustle up the funding.
Sure hope you make it! Hopefully it will be as good if not better than last years! With 1114 and 2056 against each other it sure was an amazing event to attend!
Vince lau
14-12-2012, 11:01
rookie team 4817 is from Singapore
2185Bilal
14-12-2012, 19:17
Because of all this Union Strikes in Ontario many teams are not going to competitions in Ontario. So I am pretty sure many teams from Ontario are not going. This is will make this years's season not as fun and exciting as last year
Which Teams are going
whattsheorder
16-12-2012, 21:42
Team 1547 will be there despite the strike! :D
Team 1547 will be there despite the strike! :D
As will 3756! We have attended the Waterloo regional the past two years, but are swapping to GRT West this year so that we can go with one of our rookie teams (who we are also sharing work space with due to the strikes).
I will most likely be attending Waterloo to help along our other rookie team as well, so I will get to be in on the action at both competitions!
Up to 46 teams.
190-American
771
772
854
886
907
1075
1114
1241
1305
1310
1325
1334
1404
1503
1547
1815
2013
2056
2185
2634
2935
2994
3161
3560
3571
3705
3756
4015
4069
4083-American
4518
4595
4659
4688
4704
4716
4732
4754
4777
4783
4806
4808
4814
4817-Singaporean
4825
Rookies are in bold
Lost 4497, now registered for Western Canada
Team 1547 will be there despite the strike! :D
Being a private school, are Trafalgar Castle's teachers even subject to the strike?
I would expect 1547 to participate even if they were, but I'm pretty sure this is a public sector battle that won't affect the private school teams (like 1547, 610, and the now defunct 2361) at all, no?
mcarobotics
21-03-2013, 18:15
Only 1 week until GTR West!
Team 4595 (Infinity Robotics) is very excited as this will be our very FIRST competition (see what I did there? :D)
Can't wait to meet everyone next week in Mississauga!
2185Bilal
21-03-2013, 22:34
Team 2185 will be attending the Greater Toronto West Regional. We have not missed the premier Canadian event since our inception in 2007. We are pumped to see all the beautiful teams from Canada and the States
I know of quite a few more teams planning to join us at the Hershey Center, including at least 1 more American team, but I'll let them release that on their own accord.
Fun fact: This regional has had 3 different names in its history. 2002 and 2003 it was called the Canadian Regional, but in 2004 Waterloo was added, so it changed to the Greater Toronto Regional. In 2011, a double regional took place, so the event was renamed as the Greater Toronto East and Greater Toronto West regionals. In 2012, GTR East split off and is now its own regional in Oshawa, hence the current Greater Toronto West Regional. (Copied from Gregor :p )
SO wHO ELSE IS COMING OUT
Beat ya :rolleyes: (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109340), should keep it to that thread.
2185Bilal
21-03-2013, 22:37
Beat ya :rolleyes: (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109340), should keep it to that thread.
well that was for last year, so idk LOL :p
well that was for last year, so idk LOL :p
This (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105044&highlight=Toronto) was last year's thread.
2185Bilal
21-03-2013, 23:00
This (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105044&highlight=Toronto) was last year's thread.
ohhh okay my bad
Team 4343 just managed to obtain the obtain the funding and permission to go to this regional and I'm pleased to announce we will once again be attending GTRW! Can't wait to see you all there!
Team 4343 just managed to obtain the obtain the funding and permission to go to this regional and I'm pleased to announce we will once again be attending GTRW! Can't wait to see you all there!
That's great news, you were super consistant at GTRE.
That adds ANOTHER strong contender to an already deep field.
The following teams can open up wildcards at GTR West, should they win:
1075-Montreal Regional winners
1114-GTR East, Waterloo winners
1241-GTR East Engineering Inspiration Award winners
1305-Waterloo Chairmans Award winners
1310-Waterloo Wildcard
1325-GTR East winners
1503-Pittsburg winners
2056-GTR East, Waterloo winners, Waterloo Engineering Inspiration Award winners
3756-Waterloo wildcard
4069-Waterloo winners
This should be interesting.
Akash Rastogi
29-03-2013, 09:35
2013's robot is really impressive. If they can get faster and have a nice shooting rhythm down, they'll be an excellent choice in elims, but they do need to get faster.
The webcast is up at watchfirstnow.com/toronto (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/toronto)
We are dealing with limited bandwidth so the quality isn't quite the same as what we are used to broadcasting at.
- Bochek
Steven Donow
29-03-2013, 11:46
Wow, probably 225 pt match in Q-18. 1503 and 1114. 43 foul points. As impressive as 1114 are, I think 1503 can be one of the coolest robots to watch. Four disks at once is so cool.
Oh, and "I'm a One Directioneer"-Karthik
Wow, probably 225 pt match in Q-18. 1503 and 1114. 43 foul points. As impressive as 1114 are, I think 1503 can be one of the coolest robots to watch. Four disks at once is so cool.
Oh, and "I'm a One Directioneer"-Karthik
Video! http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archive3.php?id=62944492
It'd be nice if the field would actually post some match scores to the web with some consistency.
It'd be nice if the field would actually post some match scores to the web with some consistency.
They are having problems with their internet connection. We are keeping the scores on WFN up to date tho, so if you must know check there.
Looking at it, the FIRST website is 404ing on the pages for onto2
Yes, according to the FTA's this is normal if the system is not getting information from the FMS. their still working on the network connection. Should be up soon.
1310 just gave 2056 a loss. Could change the top of the standings depending on how tomorrow morning goes.
Thad House
29-03-2013, 16:33
I've noticed 2056 has had some major shooting issues this morning. They have been getting jammed, and missing a decent amount of auton shots.
omgnocomms
29-03-2013, 17:19
It appears to be working now.
http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/Events/ONTO2/matchresults.html
http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/Events/ONTO2/rankings.html
So I've been playing around with the data and watching the competition all day and wrote a quick script to "predict" winners of each match. So far it is working quite well, maybe it will be of use to people (Note: this is not my team's analysis, I'm not with them right now as I've graduated high school):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkqeOo0mBO4JdDBkUGtlcDg4NzZtWEdzN2xiU2VBV UE&usp=sharing
Edit: Does anyone know which matches had robots tipping over?
Edit 2: Simulated rankings are now available.
So I've been playing around with the data and watching the competition all day and wrote a quick script to "predict" winners of each match. So far it is working quite well, maybe it will be of use to people (Note: this is not my team's analysis, I'm not with them right now as I've graduated high school):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkqeOo0mBO4JdDBkUGtlcDg4NzZtWEdzN2xiU2VBV UE&usp=sharing
Edit: Does anyone know which matches had robots tipping over?
Edit 2: Simulated rankings are now available.
What's it making predictions based on?
What's it making predictions based on?
Public available data for the regional so far. The current rankings and standings and some "heuristics" (really bad guesses, maybe not that bad, i don't really know).
Well, that didn't answer my question at all.
I'm interested in your 'heuristics'. OPR is a popular choice for such things.
Well, that didn't answer my question at all.
I'm interested in your 'heuristics'. OPR is a popular choice for such things.
No where near as complicated as OPR (I just did something simple as I created the spreadsheet in ... 15 minutes?). Used all local data (just from this competition, not scouting data... so everything is binned).
Very simple heuristics: Pretty much just added up a normalized version of each team's points as listed in their standings and then added the teams' together.
So this is probably wrong, but then my cross-validation set did fairly well.. (although i don't have a lot of that either) so I'm rolling with it for now.
I wish I had our scouting data.. but then I'm 500km away on a computer... so..
Do you mean to say you took a team's mean score, and summed those for teams in a match to come up with the predictions?
If so... seems... wrong, but its predicting with reasonably good accuracy.
Do you mean to say you took a team's mean score, and summed those for teams in a match to come up with the predictions?
If so... seems... wrong, but its predicting with reasonably good accuracy.
Pretty much and IDK if the second statement is a statement or a question.?
It's predicting with reasonably good accuracy so maybe something is right. Proceed with caution. I'm looking around for more data... but I don't want to dig through historical records because this is more of a fun project for me to procrastinate on.
The predictions on tomorrow's matches seems to be following what intuitions (mine, some people I know) say.. so maybe there's some merits to this.
We shall find out tomorrow.
nicholsjj
29-03-2013, 21:21
It did perdict the 2056 loss so you have something going here.
It did perdict the 2056 loss so you have something going here.
Against 1114
MichaelBick
29-03-2013, 21:35
Against 1114
2056 has not played 1114 yet
2056 has not played 1114 yet
Yeah, this is a prediction/guess
It did perdict the 2056 loss so you have something going here.
I think he's talking about match 48. Where 1310 was predicted to win against 2056 by the system and actually did.
Travis Hoffman
30-03-2013, 05:23
:D I think he's talking about match 48. Where 1310 was predicted to win against 2056 by the system and actually did.
My favorite match number was my favorite match of the day. Tough, hard fought battle, but 1310's alliance's defence (shock and amazement) was just effective enough to get the job done.
So...how bout 2056 goes out and plays their darndest to beat 1114 in their faceoff match today to make the final rankings verrrrrrrrry interesting?
Akash Rastogi
30-03-2013, 11:08
2056 wins match 73 by 2 points! 103-101
Match 73:
2634-2056-4518 (Blue)
4595-1114-1075 (Red)
103-101 in favor of Blue
Prediction's day 2 performance is really bad. It is statistically not better than a random guess.
Match 73:
2634-2056-4518 (Blue)
4595-1114-1075 (Red)
103-101 in favor of Blue
http://watchfirstnow.com/archive3.php?id=62994658
Michael Corsetto
30-03-2013, 12:20
These matches are awesome, I love watching Canada play.
I was watching 1114's matches, and I noticed in match 30 it looks like their 30 point climb should have been ruled as invalid. As they lift their arm up to grab the first corner bracket, they appear to be off alignment slightly, and the claw hits the side of the upright pole, which is technically in level 2. This puts them in contact with level 0, 1, and 2 simultaneously. Does anyone else see the same thing or am I crazy? Here's the match:
http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archive3.php?id=62954250
I don't know what the final scoring was, so the ref's could have ruled the climb invalid. Can't tell from the scoring.
Also, 1114 is consistently hitting 20 second cycle times. It's a beautiful thing to see.
-Mike
cpeister
30-03-2013, 12:30
Since the online standings aren't updating, the screencap of the alliance selection should be attached.
2056 earns #17 in a row, and 1114 earns gold medal 33.
1334's alliance put up a good fight.
wendells
31-03-2013, 10:16
Congratulations to the winning alliance, to 1114 and 2056, thanks for all the assistance when we thought all was lost.
We wish you the best at the World Championship, you have some serious BOT to kick!
To the other Canadian Teams we cheer for you, I know we could do it; as hard as it may seem I would continue with Team 2185, as I would not exclude these kids from the futuristic technology that are at our finger tips.
Thank you FIRST.
We shall be back!
I believe that 771 has joined the rare group of teams to win WFFA, Dean's List Finalist, and the Chairman's award at the same regional.
These matches are awesome, I love watching Canada play.
I was watching 1114's matches, and I noticed in match 30 it looks like their 30 point climb should have been ruled as invalid. As they lift their arm up to grab the first corner bracket, they appear to be off alignment slightly, and the claw hits the side of the upright pole, which is technically in level 2. This puts them in contact with level 0, 1, and 2 simultaneously. Does anyone else see the same thing or am I crazy? Here's the match:
http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archive3.php?id=62954250
I don't know what the final scoring was, so the ref's could have ruled the climb invalid. Can't tell from the scoring.
Also, 1114 is consistently hitting 20 second cycle times. It's a beautiful thing to see.
-Mike
I believe you are correct about this particular climb. The margin of error on the claw grab is relatively small (as it is for many other corner climbers by the way) and it is likely that many other climbs with similar corner climbers could be occasionally making contact with the second level corner upright. It is also highly unlikely it will ever be called as it is hard for a ref to see slight contact between claw and bar from the distance away they are standing and during what is sometimes a fast action process. Regardless, this performance and many others rightfully continue to impress:)
I think he's talking about match 48. Where 1310 was predicted to win against 2056 by the system and actually did.
The spreadsheet was created after the 1310 vs 2056 match - I don't think we can definitively prove it was a predicted win.
I believe you are correct about this particular climb. The margin of error on the claw grab is relatively small (as it is for many other corner climbers by the way) and it is likely that many other climbs with similar corner climbers could be occasionally making contact with the second level corner upright. It is also highly unlikely it will ever be called as it is hard for a ref to see slight contact between claw and bar from the distance away they are standing and during what is sometimes a fast action process. Regardless, this performance and many others rightfully continue to impress:)
In rare situations we can contact level 2 while still in contact with the ground. In these cases we always legally restart our climb by ceasing to touch level 2, while remaining in contact with level 0. The following Q&A details the process for legally restarting a climb.
https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/357/when-is-a-section-3-1-5-2-invalidated-climb-considered-restarted-from-level-0-is-touching-level-0-sufficient-or-must-the-bot-also-stop-touching-level-1
When we actually leave the ground the geometry of our arm makes it impossible to be touching the vertical pole in level 2; our claw is only hooked to the knuckle of the pyramid.
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