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MrRiedemanJACC

07-04-2013, 20:13

Looks like the numbers are in and everyone is getting signed up for States. I didn't see a thread on MSC, so I thought I'd start one. I hope that's ok. :)

I am very happy and proud to say that this year will be the first year for Team 2611 the Jacktown Vectors to attend states. The team is pretty thrilled and we are looking forward to competing and working with everyone!

kwotremb

08-04-2013, 07:56

3414, the Hackbots are pumped to make it to states for the first time as a team :D

It will be fun to see all the awesome robots out there again and hope we can do well. We do have a trick up our sleeves to make our robot even better. I have been to states before when I was mentoring a different team and it is always a fun time. Good Luck to all team participating.

IceStorm

08-04-2013, 10:53

Team 3421 - Tachyon TECs is also exited to be going to the state championships. This will be our first time as a team making it to this level of competition.

I can wait to play with and against all the other awesome robots/teams that will be there.

See you guys in a few days.

Rewat

08-04-2013, 19:19

It will be some great competition and it seems talent is spread across the state. The top 8 ranked teams are split down the middle for East-West representation. Michigan State Championship finals has been a good showcase of great teams bound for nationals.
http://www.firstinmichigan.org/FRC_2013/frc_2013_season.html

Joe Ross

10-04-2013, 18:52

Similar to what I did in previous years (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1160712&postcount=104), I ran through 100 simulated qualification match schedules (with 12 matches per team, using the FIRST match generator).

I used each team's world rank OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet to determine their contribution to a match. I also used the autonomous OPR, climb OPR, and teleop OPR to help calculate the standings.

I calculated the results for each of the 100 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

The following were the values that were used in the simulation

OPR Teleop Auto Climb
469 76.70 46.58 23.26 6.90
33 65.54 27.61 30.20 8.31
2959 56.70 28.24 18.49 10.56
67 55.15 36.23 11.63 7.48
1718 53.98 31.35 12.41 10.13
245 52.97 31.29 14.16 7.76
2054 52.10 24.78 20.22 7.49
862 48.60 25.42 13.08 10.30
4325 47.20 21.94 16.43 9.31
3414 45.48 23.35 12.20 10.17
1918 45.01 20.52 17.16 7.62
2474 42.75 25.46 19.09 -0.81
3539 41.98 20.12 15.84 6.14
3641 41.92 21.27 9.36 11.43
573 41.75 24.20 9.89 8.19
3234 41.74 18.91 13.31 10.34
2612 41.22 18.57 14.86 7.80
1684 40.27 25.02 9.89 5.22
70 38.81 11.59 20.87 6.53
51 38.59 17.14 14.33 7.35
3572 38.24 9.08 14.01 15.46
2000 38.07 16.77 14.06 7.52
68 36.92 22.74 12.86 1.38
4384 36.73 14.53 15.02 7.18
27 36.43 26.37 11.73 -1.54
494 36.36 6.38 19.99 5.72
2619 36.24 17.80 11.87 6.34
4130 35.84 18.19 10.29 7.38
858 35.34 14.03 12.58 8.76
1189 34.86 12.18 15.18 7.61
2145 34.36 22.38 2.91 9.29
107 33.78 17.25 6.68 9.35
2137 33.78 15.90 10.51 7.67
123 32.77 17.09 10.93 5.32
326 32.66 15.38 13.26 3.94
2771 31.34 17.86 13.15 0.12
3604 31.26 21.68 7.27 2.24
3656 30.13 14.11 11.44 4.36
314 29.59 18.09 8.63 2.83
4381 29.32 8.62 13.90 7.26
1023 29.32 8.16 9.24 12.68
3688 28.55 13.72 9.76 6.06
2673 28.30 10.25 10.31 7.86
2767 28.21 16.63 8.28 4.17
1701 27.30 8.56 11.26 7.93
3602 26.77 10.91 7.96 8.12
3618 26.01 17.18 3.77 4.65
1504 26.01 11.05 7.06 7.74
217 25.84 18.37 6.87 0.87
280 25.18 10.49 11.36 3.49
2851 25.01 7.61 8.39 9.36
2611 24.68 4.98 10.97 8.69
503 23.49 13.71 6.69 3.77
141 21.81 1.08 12.28 8.58
1025 21.58 1.12 1.43 19.26
4391 20.57 6.32 8.33 5.75
2834 20.50 10.61 6.59 3.89
2337 20.19 6.13 8.52 5.88
857 19.81 4.08 9.80 5.91
2960 19.05 9.80 3.26 5.90
3421 12.87 2.10 5.31 5.45
548 12.47 6.98 7.18 -1.65
910 11.53 7.46 5.12 -0.60
4377 10.56 2.99 6.16 1.64

Here are the results of how teams seed:

AvgRnk MedRnk ModeRnk MinRnk MaxRnk SDRnk #1Seed Top8
469 1.54 1 1 1 9 1.07 66 99
33 2.93 2 2 1 13 2.32 26 97
2959 5.83 5 3 1 22 3.94 2 82
67 8.91 6.5 4 1 29 6.42 3 62
2054 10.02 7 6 1 38 7.33 1 56
245 10.2 8 3 1 34 7.04 1 52
1718 10.66 9 4 2 34 7.26 0 43
862 12.51 11 5 2 33 7.37 0 38
4325 12.85 11 8 2 46 8.99 0 41
1918 14.28 13 12 2 47 8.97 0 25
3414 16.96 15 15 3 56 9.78 0 20
2474 19 18 20 3 61 11.43 0 20
3539 19.03 19 19 3 50 11.29 0 20
573 21.7 21 18 3 45 10.51 0 11
2612 21.98 21 12 4 49 10.67 0 9
51 22 20.5 16 3 50 11.40 0 10
3234 22.86 22 12 3 60 12.32 0 14
3641 23 22 16 4 47 10.73 0 7
2000 23.29 21 15 2 51 12.51 0 7
70 23.31 22 19 1 53 12.91 1 14
3572 24 22.5 8 2 60 14.32 0 17
1684 25.36 24 24 6 56 12.14 0 8
494 25.74 25.5 26 3 55 12.25 0 6
68 26.37 26 32 6 56 11.86 0 1
4384 26.74 27 30 4 55 11.90 0 6
27 26.84 26 30 6 53 12.76 0 5
1189 27.48 27 21 3 56 10.59 0 1
2619 27.88 26.5 23 4 59 12.05 0 2
858 28.33 27 21 7 56 11.88 0 2
4130 30.61 30 24 6 57 12.73 0 2
326 32 30.5 22 4 62 13.52 0 1
2137 32.72 33 39 5 60 11.77 0 1
2771 33 31 28 2 64 13.69 0 3
123 33.55 33 30 5 62 14.87 0 3
2145 33.78 36 36 4 60 14.11 0 3
107 34.93 36 26 6 61 12.93 0 2
3656 36.97 38 32 6 64 13.46 0 4
4381 38.14 38 48 6 64 12.34 0 2
3604 38.31 41.5 42 9 63 13.46 0 0
3688 38.9 40 42 7 62 12.56 0 1
2673 39.66 40 40 10 60 11.92 0 0
1023 40.38 43 50 9 61 12.62 0 0
314 40.62 42 48 6 64 12.94 0 1
1701 40.96 42.5 50 10 62 11.88 0 0
2767 42.72 42 51 15 62 10.36 0 0
2611 43.11 46 54 10 64 12.18 0 0
1504 43.64 44 52 15 64 12.28 0 0
3602 43.74 45.5 51 15 62 12.24 0 0
280 43.76 45 46 6 62 11.84 0 1
3618 44.96 46 53 8 63 12.09 0 1
217 45.4 46 44 11 62 11.06 0 0
2851 46.89 50 52 20 64 10.94 0 0
141 48.07 51 56 21 64 11.30 0 0
2337 49.98 51 56 26 64 9.33 0 0
4391 50.29 54 57 17 64 10.79 0 0
503 50.39 52 63 19 64 10.19 0 0
857 50.51 53 56 16 64 10.57 0 0
1025 50.85 53 63 18 64 10.80 0 0
2834 51.2 54.5 60 16 64 10.31 0 0
2960 53.61 55 59 19 64 8.74 0 0
3421 57.81 60 64 32 64 6.39 0 0
548 58.26 60 63 32 64 6.19 0 0
910 59.32 61 64 36 64 5.65 0 0
4377 59.36 61 64 38 64 5.23 0 0

Here are the results for number of wins:

AvgWins MedWins ModeWins MinWins MaxWins SDWins
469 11.5 12 12 9 12 0.66
33 10.49 11 11 8 12 1.05
2959 9.65 10 10 7 12 1.06
67 9.29 9 10 7 12 1.23
1718 8.91 9 10 6 12 1.34
245 8.87 9 10 6 12 1.31
2054 8.58 9 9 5 11 1.27
862 8.51 8 8 6 12 1.31
4325 8.22 8 8 4 11 1.33
3414 7.82 8 8 3 11 1.37
1918 7.96 8 8 4 11 1.47
2474 7.17 7 7 2 10 1.52
3539 7.33 7 7 4 10 1.53
3641 7.26 7 8 4 10 1.30
573 7.3 7 7 5 11 1.35
3234 6.98 7 7 2 10 1.58
2612 6.96 7 8 4 11 1.37
1684 6.91 7 8 3 10 1.55
70 6.7 7 6 3 12 1.66
51 6.99 7 7 4 10 1.49
3572 6.78 7 7 2 11 1.82
2000 6.93 7 8 4 11 1.58
68 6.5 6.5 6 3 10 1.40
4384 6.35 6 6 3 10 1.40
27 6.59 7 6 3 10 1.63
494 6.31 6 6 3 10 1.43
2619 6.4 7 7 2 10 1.45
4130 6.22 6 7 3 10 1.57
858 6.25 6 6 3 9 1.41
1189 6.23 6 6 3 10 1.24
2145 6.1 6 6 2 10 1.65
107 5.87 6 6 2 10 1.62
2137 5.86 6 5 2 10 1.47
123 5.73 6 6 2 10 1.77
326 5.72 6 6 2 10 1.65
2771 5.67 6 7 1 10 1.72
3604 5.42 5 5 1 9 1.66
3656 5.25 5 6 1 9 1.73
314 5.05 5 6 0 10 1.71
4381 4.98 5 4 0 9 1.53
1023 5.05 5 4 2 9 1.54
3688 5.15 5 5 2 9 1.56
2673 5.04 5 5 2 9 1.43
2767 4.8 5 5 1 7 1.31
1701 4.79 5 5 1 8 1.43
3602 4.72 5 4 1 8 1.56
3618 4.69 5 5 1 9 1.57
1504 4.71 5 5 1 8 1.61
217 4.54 4.5 4 2 8 1.40
280 4.39 4 5 1 10 1.61
2851 4.28 4 3 1 7 1.43
2611 4.5 4 4 0 8 1.53
503 3.83 4 4 1 8 1.42
141 3.7 3.5 3 0 7 1.57
1025 3.87 4 3 1 8 1.50
4391 3.79 4 3 0 8 1.55
2834 3.65 3.5 3 1 8 1.57
2337 3.68 4 4 0 7 1.39
857 3.53 3 3 0 8 1.49
2960 3.54 3 3 0 8 1.36
3421 2.51 2.5 2 0 5 1.34
548 2.36 2 2 0 6 1.22
910 2.23 2 2 0 6 1.24
4377 2.21 2 2 0 6 1.16

jacobythegreat

10-04-2013, 22:33

Can not wait for States. This is big for our team since we're so young. Looking to build off of our State Rookie All Star Award. :)

Chris Hibner

11-04-2013, 14:36

I ran the actual match schedule using each teams BEST OPR so far (everyone generally brings their A game to states). Here are the predicted standings:

NOTE: I just did win/loss. I didn't do tiebreakers for auto, etc. For groups with the same number of wins, they are just sorted by team number.

Team W L
---- -- --
33 11 1
67 11 1
469 11 1
2054 11 1
2000 10 2
1189 9 3
2612 9 3
3539 9 3
494 8 4
1718 8 4
1918 8 4
2145 8 4
2474 8 4
2619 8 4
2851 8 4
2959 8 4
3641 8 4
51 7 5
314 7 5
503 7 5
1504 7 5
2137 7 5
3414 7 5
3572 7 5
27 6 6
70 6 6
123 6 6
326 6 6
573 6 6
862 6 6
1701 6 6
2337 6 6
2611 6 6
2673 6 6
3604 6 6
4130 6 6
68 5 7
107 5 7
245 5 7
858 5 7
1023 5 7
1684 5 7
2771 5 7
3234 5 7
3618 5 7
3656 5 7
3688 5 7
4325 5 7
4381 5 7
217 4 8
548 4 8
2767 4 8
2960 4 8
4384 4 8
4391 4 8
1025 3 9
3602 3 9
4377 3 9
141 2 10
280 2 10
857 2 10
910 2 10
2834 2 10
3421 2 10

qzrrbz

11-04-2013, 14:42

WOW! This match schedule has baked in losses for pretty much everyone!

Some of the alliances would probably do real well on Einstein, too!

This is going to be intense! :eek:

Joe Ross

11-04-2013, 14:50

I ran the actual match schedule using each teams BEST OPR so far (everyone generally brings their A game to states). Here are the predicted standings:

Here's what I got using each team's world rank OPR, including simulating Auto, Teleop, and Climb.

Rank Team Wins Losses Ties Matches QP HP TP BP
1 2054 12 0 0 12 24 517 680 252
2 1718 11 0 1 12 23 446 847 289
3 469 11 1 0 12 22 510 953 254
4 33 9 1 2 12 20 603 715 247
5 2959 10 2 0 12 20 475 693 301
6 70 9 2 1 12 19 507 561 231
7 2612 9 2 1 12 19 501 649 253
8 1189 9 2 1 12 19 465 560 283
9 494 9 3 0 12 18 552 510 216
10 3539 9 3 0 12 18 488 672 236
11 67 9 3 0 12 18 435 845 244
12 3414 8 4 0 12 16 450 680 291
13 862 8 4 0 12 16 448 646 286
14 2619 8 4 0 12 16 422 633 243
15 2851 8 4 0 12 16 417 541 280
16 51 7 4 1 12 15 427 571 258
17 2771 7 4 1 12 15 416 625 177
18 1918 7 5 0 12 14 496 624 230
19 4325 7 5 0 12 14 475 668 282
20 245 6 4 2 12 14 461 746 233
21 3572 7 5 0 12 14 457 554 319
22 314 7 5 0 12 14 399 639 172
23 2611 7 5 0 12 14 389 436 265
24 123 7 5 0 12 14 386 572 221
25 503 7 5 0 12 14 367 579 207
26 1684 6 5 1 12 13 432 688 214
27 27 6 5 1 12 13 419 668 129
28 573 6 5 1 12 13 390 598 242
29 3641 6 5 1 12 13 359 634 290
30 2000 6 6 0 12 12 457 625 254
31 4384 6 6 0 12 12 442 535 242
32 326 6 6 0 12 12 420 560 217
33 107 6 6 0 12 12 358 565 270
34 2145 6 6 0 12 12 334 664 275
35 2474 5 7 0 12 10 472 694 127
36 68 5 7 0 12 10 434 635 154
37 1701 5 7 0 12 10 428 535 245
38 4381 5 7 0 12 10 416 416 273
39 3688 5 7 0 12 10 415 576 229
40 1023 5 7 0 12 10 393 499 296
41 3656 5 7 0 12 10 382 563 240
42 4391 5 7 0 12 10 377 456 232
43 2137 5 7 0 12 10 375 576 213
44 3602 5 7 0 12 10 365 457 226
45 1504 5 7 0 12 10 343 579 243
46 548 4 7 1 12 9 386 463 128
47 3234 4 8 0 12 8 408 564 264
48 2673 4 8 0 12 8 392 510 229
49 4130 4 8 0 12 8 390 589 242
50 217 4 8 0 12 8 365 606 182
51 3618 4 8 0 12 8 329 621 213
52 2767 3 9 0 12 6 402 572 225
53 858 3 9 0 12 6 397 511 260
54 857 3 9 0 12 6 376 414 238
55 3604 3 9 0 12 6 365 656 160
56 4377 3 9 0 12 6 358 469 207
57 2834 3 9 0 12 6 343 472 206
58 910 3 9 0 12 6 339 447 158
59 2960 3 9 0 12 6 330 503 210
60 1025 3 9 0 12 6 305 410 362
61 280 2 9 1 12 5 366 471 188
62 2337 1 9 2 12 4 383 476 236
63 141 2 10 0 12 4 381 361 255
64 3421 2 10 0 12 4 325 423 204

Joe Ross

11-04-2013, 15:05

I ran the actual match schedule using each teams BEST OPR so far (everyone generally brings their A game to states). Here are the predicted standings:

Here's what I got using Best OPR, counting ties when they were within 1 point. Match 82 has a 173-173 tie! It looks like everything else matches up. I used the world OPR for auto, teleop, and climb.

Rank Team Wins Losses Ties Matches QP HP TP BP
1 469 11 0 1 12 23 510 953 254
2 2054 11 1 0 12 22 517 680 252
3 67 11 1 0 12 22 435 845 244
4 33 10 1 1 12 21 603 715 247
5 2000 10 2 0 12 20 457 625 254
6 2612 9 3 0 12 18 501 649 253
7 1189 9 3 0 12 18 465 560 283
8 3539 8 3 1 12 17 488 672 236
9 2145 8 3 1 12 17 334 664 275
10 1918 8 4 0 12 16 496 624 230
11 2959 8 4 0 12 16 475 693 301
12 2474 8 4 0 12 16 472 694 127
13 1718 8 4 0 12 16 446 847 289
14 2619 8 4 0 12 16 422 633 243
15 2851 8 4 0 12 16 417 541 280
16 3641 8 4 0 12 16 359 634 290
17 494 7 4 1 12 15 552 510 216
18 3572 7 5 0 12 14 457 554 319
19 3414 7 5 0 12 14 450 680 291
20 51 7 5 0 12 14 427 571 258
21 2137 7 5 0 12 14 375 576 213
22 503 7 5 0 12 14 367 579 207
23 1504 7 5 0 12 14 343 579 243
24 314 6 5 1 12 13 399 639 172
25 70 6 6 0 12 12 507 561 231
26 862 6 6 0 12 12 448 646 286
27 1701 6 6 0 12 12 428 535 245
28 326 6 6 0 12 12 420 560 217
29 27 6 6 0 12 12 419 668 129
30 2673 6 6 0 12 12 392 510 229
31 4130 6 6 0 12 12 390 589 242
32 2611 6 6 0 12 12 389 436 265
33 123 6 6 0 12 12 386 572 221
34 2337 6 6 0 12 12 383 476 236
35 3604 6 6 0 12 12 365 656 160
36 2771 5 6 1 12 11 416 625 177
37 3234 5 6 1 12 11 408 564 264
38 573 5 6 1 12 11 390 598 242
39 3618 5 6 1 12 11 329 621 213
40 4325 5 7 0 12 10 475 668 282
41 245 5 7 0 12 10 461 746 233
42 68 5 7 0 12 10 434 635 154
43 1684 5 7 0 12 10 432 688 214
44 3688 5 7 0 12 10 415 576 229
45 858 5 7 0 12 10 397 511 260
46 1023 5 7 0 12 10 393 499 296
47 3656 5 7 0 12 10 382 563 240
48 107 5 7 0 12 10 358 565 270
49 4381 4 7 1 12 9 416 416 273
50 217 4 7 1 12 9 365 606 182
51 4384 4 8 0 12 8 442 535 242
52 2767 4 8 0 12 8 402 572 225
53 548 4 8 0 12 8 386 463 128
54 4391 4 8 0 12 8 377 456 232
55 2960 4 8 0 12 8 330 503 210
56 3602 3 9 0 12 6 365 457 226
57 4377 3 9 0 12 6 358 469 207
58 1025 3 9 0 12 6 305 410 362
59 141 2 10 0 12 4 381 361 255
60 857 2 10 0 12 4 376 414 238
61 280 2 10 0 12 4 366 471 188
62 2834 2 10 0 12 4 343 472 206
63 910 2 10 0 12 4 339 447 158
64 3421 2 10 0 12 4 325 423 204

Joe Ross

11-04-2013, 15:08

Using Best OPR, 13 matches predicted to be at or above 300 combined.

Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 RScore BScore
82 3539 33 494 2145 3618 469 173 173
50 3618 67 2474 3414 1718 2054 174 170
32 2474 2767 2959 67 245 3539 154 189
5 1504 469 1718 3604 68 245 188 151
121 33 3414 2767 3421 469 2054 161 169
68 2474 3604 1684 314 33 326 161 168
89 245 1189 1718 1684 33 27 163 165
101 1918 67 33 123 2137 3688 198 125
41 469 2771 1701 2851 326 67 175 147
116 2612 469 217 3234 910 2474 178 136
126 1189 3539 4384 67 217 2137 146 163
63 3539 70 1684 1918 2771 2000 150 155
57 862 3572 494 2959 2612 1718 133 167

qzrrbz

11-04-2013, 15:58

Good Grief!!!! If you watch any Ultimate Ascent this year, you need to be watching MSC!!!

First 5 matches out of the chute, ~half the participants, *BOTH* alliances averaging over 100 points!

Wow. Just. Wow!

Nemo

11-04-2013, 16:31

I wish I was at this event as a spectator. I'll be peeking into the webcast... good luck to all of the great teams at this event!

lynca

11-04-2013, 17:17

The matches have not disappointed so far, only 1 qual match did not post a 100+ score, and that was a 96-83 score.

Looking forward to see who comes out on top after 128 qual matches

Gregor

11-04-2013, 17:48

Stream 1 has no sound, but the camera's are dynamic and its connected to the FMS. Stream 2 has sound, but it is one far away camera with no FMS scores. I would use the sound from Stream 2, but it is about 4-5 seconds behind stream 1. Any way to fix it?

Jared Russell

11-04-2013, 18:18

Ether

11-04-2013, 19:31

Has anyone posted something like this?

It shows what teams each team plays with and against in the MSC CMP Qual Schedule.

Luck of the draw.

Nemo

11-04-2013, 19:33

Average winning alliance score is 143. Average losing alliance score is 102. Median alliance score is 124. Wow!

Chris Hibner

11-04-2013, 21:48

Average winning alliance score is 143. Average losing alliance score is 102. Median alliance score is 124. Wow!

I hear you. We're 1 win/2 loss and our lowest score (122) is the only match we won.

mjustice66

11-04-2013, 22:01

For anyone that missed the action today. Here is FiM's youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinMichigan?feature=g-high-u) where they have archived all of the matches at MSC.

stuart2054

11-04-2013, 22:23

Chris Hibner

12-04-2013, 08:53

Using best OPR, the OPR prediction has been correct in 81% of the Thursday matches at MSC. (Matches with score differential of less than 5 points were considered "too close to call" and have been eliminated from the predictions.)

Chris Hibner

12-04-2013, 11:05

qzrrbz

12-04-2013, 12:21

Here is why MSC is a brutal competition: in 5 consecutive qualifying matches 175, 125, 151, 120, and 156 were scored by the LOSING alliance. I feel sad for the teams that put up 175, 151, and 156 and walk away with a loss.

And there is a team (1189) with a 3-3 record on track to *break* 1000 TP in 12 matches!

Just incredible...

Jared Russell

12-04-2013, 12:40

12 straight matches of 100+ scores for both alliances (and counting)!

Pat Fairbank

12-04-2013, 13:40

Real-time OPR: http://frcstats.appspot.com/opr/micmp

AdamHeard

12-04-2013, 13:43

Real-time OPR: http://frcstats.appspot.com/opr/micmp

For champs? Please.

Pat Fairbank

12-04-2013, 13:45

For champs? Please.
Pop in any event code (and optional year) and it's good to go. It does a scrape of the match results page on every request.

Chris Hibner

12-04-2013, 15:20

OPR prediction update:

After 80 matches, OPR has predicted 85.5% of the matches correctly.

(Above calculation uses each team's best event OPR prior to MSC. Match predictions within 5 pts are considered too close to call and were eliminated from the winning percentage calculation. OPR is 54.5% in the "too close to call" matches.)

mjustice66

12-04-2013, 20:45

Heres what the alliance could look like if the rankings were to stay the same(which is pretty close to impossible). Obviously teams scout and its not likely that the top 24 teams are 24 best robots out there to choose from.

Top 24 by rank
2054 67 2959
469 2000 245
1718 3414 2771
1189 2137 2767
2145 314 2619
1918 2851 70
573 3539 27
862 33 2612

Top 24 by OPR (alliance captians in order)
2054 469 2474
67 2000 494
1718 1189 2612
3414 862 2673
2137 2145 4384
314 33 3656
1918 4325 4130
2851 3539 2767
573 27 245

Basel A

12-04-2013, 20:57

Attached spreadsheet is a values-only copy of the "front page" for a project I'm working on. On the left is a match schedule with predictions based on current OPR. On the right is team data, including the number of wins each team is projected to have. Also has all the OPR data for each team. Green is good, Red is not as good, pure white is the 24th team. You can switch which teams are highlighted by changing the values in column Z.

If anyone wants more or updated info, I'll be at MSC tomorrow. Just find me.

Marjory Frosty

13-04-2013, 11:25

Check out:
http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotics/index.shtml?cmpgn=shorturl

It's a great feed of the competition!!!

Joon Park

13-04-2013, 12:08

Check out:
http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotics/index.shtml?cmpgn=shorturl

It's a great feed of the competition!!!

Absolutely fantastic feed. Cannot say enough good things about it. This is the kind of stuff that gets FRC out there and recognized.

Ether

13-04-2013, 12:27

MSC OPR & CCWM (all 128 Qual Matches)

Walter Deitzler

13-04-2013, 13:24

When do elim matches start up? I don't want to miss them!

jlmcmchl

13-04-2013, 13:28

Should be 2:00 EST.

Ivan Malik

13-04-2013, 13:36

1:30 EST aka now

Jared Russell

13-04-2013, 13:43

Check out:
http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotics/index.shtml?cmpgn=shorturl

It's a great feed of the competition!!!

This. Is. AMAZING!

Dave Verbrugge doing play by play. Professional production quality. Hell, they even have telestrators!

Karibou

13-04-2013, 13:56

Quarter 2-1, 193-192 (3572, 2145, 1918 vs 245, 3656, 2000)

Red got 70 hanging points and still only won by one point. WOW.

AdamHeard

13-04-2013, 14:42

This. Is. AMAZING!

Dave Verbrugge doing play by play. Professional production quality. Hell, they even have telestrators!

Is anyone recording this? It sounds epic, but it's blocked by our school!

PVCpirate

13-04-2013, 15:02

Wow, just wow. Instant replay, good thoughtful commentary, great quality stream, and ESPN-like scoreboard graphics. Absolutely awesome.

vikesrock777

13-04-2013, 15:07

Autonomous perfection achieved by 469, 3539, and 217. 15 frisbees into the top goal for 90 points in semis 2 match 1. Final disc score of 209.

joelg236

13-04-2013, 16:43

Wow, just wow. Instant replay, good thoughtful commentary, great quality stream, and ESPN-like scoreboard graphics. Absolutely awesome.

You're sure there's instant replays? I'm watch stream 1 and 3 on game day and it looks pretty standard.

z_beeblebrox

13-04-2013, 16:46

You're sure there's instant replays? I'm watch stream 1 and 3 on game day and it looks pretty standard.

Replays on this one:
http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotics/index.shtml?cmpgn=shorturl

POOL NOODLES!!

Great elimination matches. Maybe beats Canada?

hiyou102

13-04-2013, 16:50

Congratulations to 217, 3539, and 469 in winning the event! That was a really intense final match. I bet 67 is really regretting being a short full court right now. Also, can a FTA get a technical foul for standing on the pyramid? ;)

connor.worley

13-04-2013, 16:58

I bet 67 is really regretting being a short full court right now.

I think their problems may lie elsewhere. They put up a ton of points when they were able to shoot.

IanW

13-04-2013, 17:31

Congratulations to 469, 3539, and 217 on the victory! From watching the streams, I can tell it was hard-fought and well deserved.

Also, I loved the look of relief from 469's drive coach when the MC glossed over part of the 2010 history between 67 and 469 during the Finals team intros. I thought that was hilarious.

Grim Tuesday

13-04-2013, 18:03

Any word on who won the awards? The website doesn't seem to be updating.

EDIT: From the stream:

27, 503, 2337 are state chairman's

4810 - RAS

EI - 2604

vikesrock777

13-04-2013, 18:16

Any word on who won the awards? The website doesn't seem to be updating.

Chairman's award winners are 27, 503, and 2337.

Event winners are 469, 3539, and 217.

Rookie All-Star Award winner is 4810.

Engineering Inspiration Award winner is 2604.

The list of team qualifying by points (if I was understanding the webcast correctly):
1. 469
2. 2054
3. 3539
4. 67
5. 1718
6. 33
7. 1918
8. 862
9. 245
10. 2145
11. 2474
12. 3414
13. 2959
14. 217
15. 27
16. 3656
17. 2000
18. 3641
19. 2851
20. 2612
21. 2137
22. 1189
23. 70
24. 68
25. 2619
26. 314
The next 4 in line points-wise are 1684, 3572, 2767, and 3618. These are the ones the get to sign up if some from the above drop from my understanding.

note-some of these may be wrong, the webcast was blurry and numbers were small.

Grim Tuesday

13-04-2013, 18:17

I find it unlikely that 1717 qualified from MSC as they are from California (your #5).

vikesrock777

13-04-2013, 18:21

I find it unlikely that 1717 qualified from MSC as they are from California (your #5).

Fixed. Was meant to be 1718, The Fighting Pi. Thanks.

Gregor

13-04-2013, 18:26

That can't be right, did 33 really not qualify?

Gregor

13-04-2013, 18:30

Great elimination matches. Maybe beats Canada?

Totally beats Canada. The average loosing score in quals (111) beat the average winning score in quals at Waterloo (107).

dodar

13-04-2013, 18:31

That can't be right, did 33 really not qualify?

That's exatly what I just thought of!?!

1918 didnt make it either, I guess...

Grim Tuesday

13-04-2013, 18:32

33 definitely qualified, they were the first pick of the alliance 68 was on (1718's) and did better in the district season and 68 qualified. I remember there being a list of 26 on the screen and Vikes only has 24 so it's safe to say 33 qualified.

vikesrock777

13-04-2013, 18:40

Yup, you guys are right. I went back and listened to the already archived webcast from FiM. 33 and 1918 have been added to my list and I'm much more confident in its accuracy now. Sorry about that. I think I skipped from 1718 to 1918 when looking at the list because they looked the same with the blur.

Basel A

13-04-2013, 21:32

Is anyone recording this? It sounds epic, but it's blocked by our school!

It was archived on the dptv website: http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotics/index.shtml?cmpgn=shorturl

Adam Freeman

13-04-2013, 21:41

I bet 67 is really regretting being a short full court right now.

No we are not regretting that decisions. It would make shooting 60" robot easier, but it would caused a lot of other problems for us. The biggest being, it would really mess with our ability to climb.

Other than the apparent reliability issues that showed up in the elims (see below), I am extremely satisfied with the design of our robot.

Issues:
- Frisbee caught in drive, bent a drive sprocket. Started throwing chains.
- Ran with only 1/2 of the right side drive for a couple of matches.
- Then the other half of the drive chain came off. We think the output shaft on the ball shifter was somehow getting pushed pushed in and misaligning the drive sprockets, causing the chains to come off.

- Shooter jammed in the last match. Just a fluke issue that shut us down. We probably shot between 500 -1000 shots this weekend, and it jammed at the worst possible time. :(

We'll get it all ready to go and hopefully make it more reliable for Champs.

-Adam

Adam Freeman

13-04-2013, 22:14

Not gonna lie, I really wanted this win bad! We had a machine and an alliance that could have done it. This entire competition was insane. I'm not sure I've ever been to an event that had this level of machines, especially in the tournament. Losing scores of 190+ are just crazy.

It was great seeing all the awesome people at the event. Coming to MSC is almost like a home coming....just way to many people to list. Thanks to all the awesome volunteers.

Special thanks for Rob and Eric for taking such good care of us/our robot. You guys rock! Best FTAs in the world.

Congrats to 469, 3539, and 217. I'm not sure we could have lost to any more friends than this alliance. You guys were unbelieveable. If I could have gotten my head out of out robot's drivetrain, I would have loved to see the awesome power of this alliance. I will be sure to go back and re-watch your matches.

469 - Someday, someday, we'll get another chance to play together. Hopefully, that chance comes in 2 weeks. You guys are awesome to hang with at the competition. Our teams could not have more fun together! You guys are the best robot in Michigan.

3539 - Our Troy partners. If I thought we had a shot to play together, we would have loved to try it together again. You guys really pulled it together with that auton today. Just amazing.

217 - We were hoping they would over look you. We were all set to make the pick, until #2 snatched you up. You guys were hands down the best full-back we have had this season. I was really worried when we saw that 2337 was going to have to try and push you guys out of our shooting lane.

Mike and Paul - Congrats on winning together! Knowing you guys, it must have been both awesome and weird all at the same time.

Congrats to 27, 503, and 2337 on the Chairman's award! You guys deserve it.

To 2054 and 2337 - I'm sorry we had so many issues with the robot. It had been pretty solid up until the eliminations. This alliance had so much potential. I think we only unleashed it's full power once, in F1.

2054 - You guys were great. You really carried us there for a couple of matches. Once again our drivetrain issues (same @ WM-2011) ruin a chance to win with you guys.

2337 - So glad we could FINALLY get a chance to play with you guys. You guys played our fullback role perfectly. It's so nice to be able to get such a smart and reliable team at the 24th pick.

I need some serious rest....

-Adam

Arhowk

14-04-2013, 18:46

Labview!!!!

For Thurs+Fri, our cRio was having problems which was causing our auton to fry and break and our wheels to run at whack speeds which kept popping chains off. Dropped our 60Pt average to a 15Pt average. Fixed Friday night by re-flashing it... (we didn't know it was the cRIO and kept thinking it was a code issue)

Cant believe it dropped our overall ranking by 10. Our team is still planning to go to nationals though. I don't want to say that we're hoping that I AM Robot can't go, but they're our best bet for dropping out due to funding. Last year we were the 3rd sub and 2 teams dropped out. (or was it one? i don't remember :\ all i know is that we didn't make it).

We also didn't think that 2337 was going to even get close to getting to worlds so we tried to help them as much as possible to win Chairman's, and i was shocked when they were picked in eliminations, but they played phenomenally and deserve the spot that they got.

stuart2054

14-04-2013, 20:44

Congrats to 469, 3539, and 217. I'm not sure we could have lost to any more friends than this alliance. You guys were unbelieveable. If I could have gotten my head out of out robot's drivetrain, I would have loved to see the awesome power of this alliance. I will be sure to go back and re-watch your matches.

469 - Someday, someday, we'll get another chance to play together. Hopefully, that chance comes in 2 weeks. You guys are awesome to hang with at the competition. Our teams could not have more fun together! You guys are the best robot in Michigan.

3539 - Our Troy partners. If I thought we had a shot to play together, we would have loved to try it together again. You guys really pulled it together with that auton today. Just amazing.

217 - We were hoping they would over look you. We were all set to make the pick, until #2 snatched you up. You guys were hands down the best full-back we have had this season. I was really worried when we saw that 2337 was going to have to try and push you guys out of our shooting lane.

Mike and Paul - Congrats on winning together! Knowing you guys, it must have been both awesome and weird all at the same time.

Congrats to 27, 503, and 2337 on the Chairman's award! You guys deserve it.

To 2054 and 2337 - I'm sorry we had so many issues with the robot. It had been pretty solid up until the eliminations. This alliance had so much potential. I think we only unleashed it's full power once, in F1.

2054 - You guys were great. You really carried us there for a couple of matches. Once again our drivetrain issues (same @ WM-2011) ruin a chance to win with you guys.

2337 - So glad we could FINALLY get a chance to play with you guys. You guys played our fullback role perfectly. It's so nice to be able to get such a smart and reliable team at the 24th pick.

I need some serious rest....

-Adam[/QUOTE]

Congrats to the chairmans award winners 27, 503, and 2337 and to 469, 3539, and 217 on the MSC chamionship win.

Thank you 67 and 2337 for accepting our invitaion for an alliance. You were both awesome and held us up when we were having issues. That is called team work and I think we really had that going for us. But as we all knew we needed our "A" game to win and and we only were able showed it a couple of matches during eliminations.

To team 67, Almost like west michigan 2011.

I think we had the right alliance but it was not meant to be.

To 1918 NC Gears from what I see from our drivers post you gratously you used your time out for our problem and were not able to use it when you needed it. That is GRATIOUS PROFESSIONALISM at it's best and I am sorry it worked out the way it did. We respect your team and hope to be on the same side of the window at nationals or any othe venue because you are a class act!!!

to team 67, I actually felt better that it was not only us that had issues because I felt bad about our performance and our team never wants less than our "A" game for our alliance partners but it happens and you have to accept it.

To 469 you guys are always awesome. My rookie year was 2010 and you guys messed with my mind with your choke hold robot. You carried us our last seeding match and I appologise for our poor performance but our shooter wheels that usually go 5-6 matches were not right after only playing one We believe you owe your alliance to play your best but sometimes your robot has issues you did not anticipate.

The teams and robots this year are awesome and a lot of great teams did not get to eliminations.

Wayne TenBrink

15-04-2013, 13:14

To 1918 NC Gears from what I see from our drivers post you gratously you used your time out for our problem and were not able to use it when you needed it. That is GRATIOUS PROFESSIONALISM at it's best and I am sorry it worked out the way it did. We respect your team and hope to be on the same side of the window at nationals or any othe venue because you are a class act!!!

Thanks for the kind words, but I don't think that's quite what happened. As I understand it, somebody from our alliance asked the referees if we could take a time-out right after yours between S1-1 and S1-2 to give you more time, but they wouldn't allow back-to-back time outs. After S1-2, we noticed the un-mistakable aroma of a sample dose of the magic smoke of death coming from one of our shooter motors. We tethered up to check it out, and that let the rest of it out. By then, it was too late to call a time-out or call in a backup robot for S1-3, so we did what we could with what we had.

Thanks also to 2145 for picking us and 3572 for completing the alliance. It all worked out very well when things were working. You were both great to work with and tenacious fighters. I hope we get the chance to do it again sometime.

Congratulations to everybody that made it to MSC, the winning & finalist alliances, all the award winners, and the teams that made it through to CMP. Thanks to all who made the event possible. What can I say that hasn't already been said a million times. MSC is an absolute riot.

And to 2054 - all this idle chit-chat about getting on the same side of the glass someday is like dealing with the weather. Everybody talks about it, but nobody ever does anything about it...