Northwest Rankings

[Navid Shafa]

I applied the FiM ranking system to teams in the Northwest over the course of the regional season. This includes the 179 teams in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana and Alaska.

I included every team from the Northwest, even if they competed in event(s) outside of the Northwest.

It's exciting to see the top 64 teams who would have gone to the Northwest Championship, if we were already following a district model. I can't wait for a regional championship! :D

Here's the scoring system, from the FiM Rules Supplement:

POINT CATEGORY POINTS POINTS
Win-Loss Record in Qualifying Rounds
Win 2
Tie 1
Final Alliance Captains After Picking
#1 Alliance Captain 16
#2 Alliance Captain 15
#3 Alliance Captain down to #8 Alliance Captain 14 down to 9
Draft Order by Acceptance
#1 Draft Pick (Accepted) 16
#2 Draft Pick (Accepted) 15
#3Draft Pick down to #16 Draft Pick 14 down to 1
Elimination Round Performance
Winning Alliance Teams:
Alliance Captain and First Pick 30
Second Pick 24
Finalist Alliance Teams:
Alliance Captain and First Pick 20
Second Pick 16
Semi Finalist Alliance Teams:
Alliance Captain and First Pick 10
Second Pick 8
Awards
Industrial Design 5
Quality 5
Excellence in Engineering 5
Innovation in Control 5
Creativity 5
Entrepreneurship 5
Team Spirit 2
Gracious Professionalism 2
Imagery 2
Highest Rookie Seed 2
Industrial Safety 2
Judges Award 2
Rookie Inspiration 2

Rank Teams Points
1 2471 124
2 1983 120
3 948 108
4 360 96
5 2130 93
6 1425 92
7 1899 89
8 3663 87
9 3145 84
10 1318 76
11 955 71
12 1595 70
13 2557 68
14 2046 65
15 2907 65
16 2928 63
17 4089 60
18 1569 56
19 2733 56
20 3812 56
21 1891 54
22 3711 54
23 1540 53
24 3789 52
25 4061 52
26 4579 52
27 2930 50
28 2374 47
29 4205 47
30 2605 44
31 488 43
32 753 42
33 2635 42
34 3219 42
35 4125 42
36 2147 41
37 4106 41
38 3131 40
39 4127 38
40 997 37
41 2122 37
42 2990 37
43 3826 37
44 2412 36
45 492 35
46 2522 35
47 2594 35
48 3968 33
49 2922 32
50 2811 31
51 4488 29
52 1258 28
53 3238 28
54 1691 27
55 2517 27
56 3251 26
57 4086 26
58 1510 25
59 3216 25
60 3681 25
61 4030 24
62 4681 24
63 847 23
64 3693 23
65 956 22
66 1294 22
67 1359 22
68 2929 22
69 3483 22
70 3588 21
71 4512 21
72 4772 21
73 2923 20
74 2944 20
75 4077 20
76 2976 19
77 3574 19
78 4542 19
79 2411 18
80 4057 18
81 4060 17
82 1566 16
83 2910 16
84 3562 16
85 3860 14
86 4495 14
87 4513 14
88 1695 12
89 1696 12
90 2093 12
91 2926 12
92 3220 12
93 3315 12
94 3587 12
95 3787 12
96 4038 12
97 4120 12
98 4461 12
99 4692 12
100 3674 11
101 568 10
102 957 10
103 1432 10
104 1778 10
105 2002 10
106 2555 10
107 3268 10
108 3393 10
109 3684 10
110 3712 10
111 3781 10
112 3801 10
113 3995 10
114 4043 10
115 4082 10
116 4309 10
117 4450 10
118 4520 10
119 4662 10
120 4682 10
121 2521 9
122 2542 9
123 949 8
124 2148 8
125 2149 8
126 2192 8
127 2550 8
128 2903 8
129 2906 8
130 2927 8
131 3223 8
132 3286 8
133 3586 8
134 3813 8
135 4132 8
136 4173 8
137 4175 8
138 4180 8
139 4560 8
140 4654 8
141 4683 8
142 3576 7
143 3786 7
144 4469 7
145 1571 6
146 2660 6
147 2898 6
148 2915 6
149 3024 6
150 3070 6
151 3192 6
152 3221 6
153 3636 6
154 3673 6
155 3876 6
156 4104 6
157 4110 6
158 4178 6
159 4304 6
160 4457 6
161 4548 6
162 4559 6
163 4608 6
164 4726 6
165 2942 4
166 2980 4
167 3049 4
168 3513 4
169 3662 4
170 4051 4
171 4105 4
172 4131 4
173 4652 4
174 3575 3
175 3218 2
176 3831 2
177 1544 0
178 1823 0
179 3237 0


The Northwest holds approximately 7% of the FIRST population and would get to send 24 teams to Worlds after a Regional Championship.

Those would be as follows:

3 spots – one for each of the three State Championship Chairman’s Award winners
3 spots – one for each of the three teams making up the winning alliance at the State Championship
1 spot – for the State Championship Rookie All-Star Award winner
1 spot – for the State Championship Engineering Inspiration Award winner
The remaining 16 qualifying spots will be filled by starting at the top of the re-computed rankings and moving down as far as is necessary to fill the nineteen spots, skipping over teams that are already eligible or scheduled to attend.



Let me know if you find any errors.

* I didn't apply tie-breaking rules as it didn't effect the outcome of who would qualify and I'm tired.
** I only used each team's first two competitions, so 1983's score of 68 in Spokane was ignored.

[dtengineering]

Oh, man... and I thought I spent too much time on CD! :]

Awesome analysis, though... it would be fun to see what a tournament with the top 64 teams from that list would look like.

Jason

[Navid Shafa]

I needed something to do on the bus ride to and from Spokane :p

[MrJohnston]

Well done in Spokane, Navid... Three regionals, three wins - but never the alliance captain... A strange record for a great team.

[Navid Shafa]

Well done in Spokane, Navid... Three regionals, three wins - but never the alliance captain... A strange record for a great team.

Thank you very much! However, we were the captain this weekend :)

[MrJohnston]

Of course.... Was it just me, or was alliance selection strange? Why did 2130 pass you guys up? I see 4061 had very strong qualifiers, but we all know that you had better have a very good reason for passing on the skunks!

[Ian Curtis]

How many teams in the PNW were 1 event vs. 2 event teams this year?

I can't wait for the District model. More matches at more events will be better for everyone. Also it would be super cool if they could be at places with a softer floor than the concrete at the WaMu Theater, because my back was all kinds of messed up after 3 days on that. :D

[Navid Shafa]

Of course.... Was it just me, or was alliance selection strange? Why did 2130 pass you guys up? I see 4061 had very strong qualifiers, but we all know that you had better have a very good reason for passing on the skunks!

Thanks, but 4061 was a great pick. They scored 2's even more accurately than you scored 3's in Seattle and helped 2130 break 180 points in QF's.

We wanted a strong full-court shooter on our alliance. We knew Alpha+ was good at both that and pyramid shooting, but they were short and easy to block and we didn't want another pyramid shooter like us. Having two pyramid shooter's often causes delays while waiting to share the spot.

I think both Alliances got what they needed and I was almost sure that 2130 and 4061 would be battling us in the finals after their high-scoring match.

We won our last two regionals with FCS bots and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. :p It was really nice that 2471 was able to pyramid shoot too, because some tough defense and FCS blocking was inevitable in Spokane.

[Navid Shafa]

How many teams in the PNW were 1 event vs. 2 event teams this year?

I can't wait for the District model. More matches at more events will be better for everyone. Also it would be super cool if they could be at places with a softer floor than the concrete at the WaMu Theater, because my back was all kinds of messed up after 3 days on that. :D


-47 teams of the 179 went to two regional events (including 1983 who attended 3 events).

I am also looking forward to districts. I would love to see the number of 2 event teams go up. This will only increase competitive play in our region and allow teams to better utilize their funds. The nice part about having tons of district events will mean smaller competitions, and hopefully more comfortable venues :)

[Austin2046]

I'm definitely looking forward to the district model too. More events, more matches, more competitive, less travel, less cost... the best of the Northwest facing off in our own championship! what's not to like?

I guess the qualifying for the world championship in week 7 could create some logistic problems... travel arrangements, airfare, hotels, etc...

[Thad House]

That is awesome. I'm glad to see we are ranked 51st with only 1 event. Districts is going to make this region excellent.

Something I do hope they do is if the entire system moves to districts is I hope they push championships back. Because at that point everyone would qualify week 7, and it would be really tough to find travel.

[dellagd]

3 spots – one for each of the three State Championship Chairman’s Award winners
3 spots – one for each of the three teams making up the winning alliance at the State Championship
1 spot – for the State Championship Rookie All-Star Award winner
1 spot – for the State Championship Engineering Inspiration Award winner
The remaining 16 qualifying spots will be filled by starting at the top of the re-computed rankings and moving down as far as is necessary to fill the nineteen spots, skipping over teams that are already eligible or scheduled to attend.


Let me know if you find any errors.


16 spots based off of rank? Geez, I wish MAR got that (We only have 6 spots, but there are 109 teams in the region)

[idahorobot]

Thanks, but 4061 was a great pick. They scored 2's even more accurately than you scored 3's in Seattle and helped 2130 break 180 points in QF's.

We wanted a strong full-court shooter on our alliance. We knew Alpha+ was good at both that and pyramid shooting, but they were short and easy to block and we didn't want another pyramid shooter like us. Having two pyramid shooter's often causes delays while waiting to share the spot


We had indications that Skunks were going to turn us down. Our scouting team also liked the combo shooters strategy and 4061 had great stats. Their team is very well run and we will be seeing lots from them.

See ya in St Louis

[Yankeefan181]

Don't be fooled by 1540's relatively low rank. We fixed all of our jamming and loading problems that we had in Oregon while we were in Oklahoma, and even put up 93 points on our own in the following semi-final match:

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2013okok_sf2m1

(and we'll be tuning our 7-disc auto and adding a 10 point climb before champs)

[Bob Steele]

We had indications that Skunks were going to turn us down. Our scouting team also liked the combo shooters strategy and 4061 had great stats. Their team is very well run and we will be seeing lots from them.

See ya in St Louis

We did have a discussion with 2130 before the match. We talked about what would probably be the best for both teams. The discussion was up front and honest. Our team actually had 4601 high on our list too.

Team 2130 is a class act and so is 4061. i would expect to see both of these teams continually improving and they are both pretty darn good right now!!

We look forward to being able to play together with 2130 in both St. Louis and the years to come. They are a fine team and everyone should expect great things from them in the future.

Thanks 2471 for coming through in the elimination rounds... it was fun playing with you for once instead of against you. It was the first time.
Thanks 4125 for getting through your tech problems and providing a solid third force for the alliance. It was quite a ride. The toughest elimination rounds we faced all year.

Spokane is a fun place to compete...

[bobcroucher]

We really enjoyed being on the same side of the field as Skunkworks this year. It's only my sophomore year as a mentor, but I've been told that we have never played with you in the entire history of the team. That's pretty amazing! Ultimate Scent just gets better and better with every regional. I guess that's an advantage of doing three. The district system will make this possible for many more teams which will be great for our area.

The eliminations, I likened to a Rugby match. Very rough, and very difficult the entire way. There were a number of alliances at Spokane without a tall blocker, but we never saw that match up in our three eliminations. When we got home, we found the software bug that was locking out our driver controls from time to time. Yay! That was very frustrating, and we kept blaming the rough field, along with anything else we could think of. :]

Thanks to Confidential for coming back after a couple of big scares in the quarter finals. We came the closest to going home in that match up, but we all buckled down and got it done somehow.

Watching the videos where the skunks were almost pulled over on their side in the finals was amazing and scary. I pretty much missed it live.

Navid, I really appreciate you doing the footwork on the Northwest rankings. I'm super into statistics, and when California started calculating theirs here on CD, I was very tempted to do the same for the Northwest, but I never took the time. I'm sure it was significant work. Leaving out your third regional hurts your score. Is that how it's done in Michigan, or do they count all the district events you do, average them, throw out the worst?

I really liked the Eastern Washington University facility for the regional. Big enough to hold everyone, but small enough to see it up close. I hope we have a chance to go there in the future.

Thanks to everyone for a great time. Now I need a little time for my finger nails to grow back before St. Louis! See ya next time.

-Bob

[Navid Shafa]

Navid, I really appreciate you doing the footwork on the Northwest rankings. I'm super into statistics, and when California started calculating theirs here on CD, I was very tempted to do the same for the Northwest, but I never took the time. I'm sure it was significant work. Leaving out your third regional hurts your score. Is that how it's done in Michigan, or do they count all the district events you do, average them, throw out the worst?

Thank you, it was quite a bit of work, but I enjoyed it. Leaving out our third regional did impact us heavily, but it's how Michigan does it. They take your first two district events and use those to determine the rankings. When I get a chance, I plan on adding team event averages and ranking it that way to make things more fair.

I really liked the Eastern Washington University facility for the regional. Big enough to hold everyone, but small enough to see it up close. I hope we have a chance to go there in the future.

It certainly is a nice venue and hopefully it will be one of the many venues we use when we transition to districts.

[Navid Shafa]

Spotted some mistakes, edited version below:

Rank Teams Points
1 2471 124
2 1983 120
3 948 108
4 360 96
5 2130 93
6 1425 92
7 1899 89
8 3663 87
9 3145 84
10 1318 76
11 955 71
12 1595 70
13 2557 68
14 2046 65
15 2907 63
16 2928 63
23 1540 63
17 4089 60
18 1569 56
19 2733 56
20 3812 56
21 1891 54
22 3711 54
24 3789 52
25 4061 52
26 4579 52
27 2930 50
28 2374 47
29 4205 47
30 2605 44
31 488 43
32 753 42
33 2635 42
34 3219 42
35 4125 42
36 2147 41
37 4106 41
38 3131 40
39 4127 38
40 997 37
41 2122 37
42 2990 37
43 3826 37
44 2412 36
45 492 35
46 2522 35
48 3968 33
49 2922 32
50 2811 31
51 4488 29
71 4512 29
52 1258 28
53 3238 28
54 1691 27
55 2517 27
56 3251 26
57 4086 26
47 2594 25
59 3216 25
60 3681 25
61 4030 24
62 4681 24
63 847 23
64 3693 23
65 956 22
66 1294 22
67 1359 22
68 2929 22
69 3483 22
72 4772 21
75 4077 21
73 2923 20
74 2944 20
76 2976 19
77 3574 19
79 2411 18
80 4057 18
148 2915 18
81 4060 17
82 1566 17
83 2910 16
58 1510 15
85 3860 14
86 4495 14
87 4513 14
152 3221 14
70 3588 12
84 3562 12
88 1695 12
89 1696 12
90 2093 12
91 2926 12
92 3220 12
93 3315 12
94 3587 12
95 3787 12
96 4038 12
97 4120 12
98 4461 12
99 4692 12
101 568 12
78 4542 11
100 3674 11
120 4682 11
102 957 10
103 1432 10
104 1778 10
105 2002 10
106 2555 10
107 3268 10
108 3393 10
109 3684 10
110 3712 10
111 3781 10
112 3801 10
113 3995 10
114 4043 10
115 4082 10
116 4309 10
117 4450 10
118 4520 10
119 4662 10
121 2521 9
122 2542 9
123 949 8
124 2148 8
125 2149 8
126 2192 8
127 2550 8
128 2903 8
129 2906 8
130 2927 8
131 3223 8
132 3286 8
133 3586 8
134 3813 8
135 4132 8
136 4173 8
137 4175 8
138 4180 8
139 4560 8
140 4654 8
141 4683 8
142 3576 7
143 3786 7
144 4469 7
145 1571 6
146 2660 6
147 2898 6
149 3024 6
150 3070 6
151 3192 6
153 3636 6
154 3673 6
155 3876 6
156 4104 6
157 4110 6
158 4178 6
159 4304 6
160 4457 6
161 4548 6
162 4559 6
163 4608 6
164 4726 6
165 2942 4
166 2980 4
167 3049 4
168 3513 4
169 3662 4
170 4051 4
171 4105 4
172 4131 4
173 4652 4
174 3575 3
178 1823 3
175 3218 2
176 3831 2
177 1544 0
179 3237 0

[Navid Shafa]

Here's the original data for just the 156 teams in Washington and Oregon, with a point average (divided by events attended):

Rank Teams Average Events Original
1 955 71.0 1 71
2 1983 62.7 3 188
3 2471 62.0 2 124
4 3812 56.0 1 56
5 948 54.0 2 108
6 3789 52.0 1 52
7 4579 52.0 1 52
8 360 48.0 2 96
9 1425 46.0 2 92
10 1899 44.5 2 89
11 3663 43.5 2 87
12 3131 40.0 1 40
13 1318 38.0 2 76
14 4127 38.0 1 38
15 997 37.0 1 37
16 2990 37.0 1 37
17 3826 37.0 1 37
18 1595 35.0 2 70
19 492 35.0 1 35
20 2557 34.0 2 68
21 2046 32.5 2 65
22 2922 32.0 1 32
23 1540 31.5 2 63
24 2907 31.5 2 63
25 2928 31.5 2 63
26 4089 30.0 2 60
27 4488 29.0 1 29
28 4512 29.0 1 29
29 2733 28.0 2 56
30 3238 28.0 1 28
31 3711 27.0 2 54
32 4061 26.0 2 52
33 2930 25.0 2 50
34 4681 24.0 1 24
35 2374 23.5 2 47
36 4205 23.5 2 47
37 847 23.0 1 23
38 3693 23.0 1 23
39 2605 22.0 2 44
40 956 22.0 1 22
41 1294 22.0 1 22
42 1359 22.0 1 22
43 2929 22.0 1 22
44 488 21.5 2 43
45 753 21.0 2 42
46 2635 21.0 2 42
47 3219 21.0 2 42
48 4125 21.0 2 42
49 4077 21.0 1 21
50 4772 21.0 1 21
51 2147 20.5 2 41
52 2923 20.0 1 20
53 2976 19.0 1 19
54 2412 18.0 2 36
55 2915 18.0 1 18
56 4057 18.0 1 18
57 2522 17.5 2 35
58 3968 16.5 2 33
59 2811 15.5 2 31
60 1258 14.0 2 28
61 3221 14.0 1 14
62 3860 14.0 1 14
63 4495 14.0 1 14
64 4513 14.0 1 14
65 2517 13.5 2 27
66 3681 12.5 2 25
67 4030 12.0 2 24
68 2093 12.0 1 12
69 3220 12.0 1 12
70 3587 12.0 1 12
71 3588 12.0 1 12
72 3787 12.0 1 12
73 4038 12.0 1 12
74 4120 12.0 1 12
75 4461 12.0 1 12
76 4692 12.0 1 12
77 3674 11.0 1 11
78 4542 11.0 1 11
79 4682 11.0 1 11
80 2944 10.0 2 20
81 957 10.0 1 10
82 1432 10.0 1 10
83 1778 10.0 1 10
84 2002 10.0 1 10
85 2555 10.0 1 10
86 3268 10.0 1 10
87 3393 10.0 1 10
88 3684 10.0 1 10
89 3712 10.0 1 10
90 3781 10.0 1 10
91 3801 10.0 1 10
92 3995 10.0 1 10
93 4043 10.0 1 10
94 4082 10.0 1 10
95 4309 10.0 1 10
96 4450 10.0 1 10
97 4662 10.0 1 10
98 3574 9.5 2 19
99 2411 9.0 2 18
100 2521 9.0 1 9
101 2542 9.0 1 9
102 4060 8.5 2 17
103 2910 8.0 2 16
104 949 8.0 1 8
105 2148 8.0 1 8
106 2149 8.0 1 8
107 2192 8.0 1 8
108 2550 8.0 1 8
109 2903 8.0 1 8
110 2906 8.0 1 8
111 2927 8.0 1 8
112 3223 8.0 1 8
113 3286 8.0 1 8
114 3586 8.0 1 8
115 3813 8.0 1 8
116 4132 8.0 1 8
117 4173 8.0 1 8
118 4180 8.0 1 8
119 4560 8.0 1 8
120 4654 8.0 1 8
121 4683 8.0 1 8
122 1510 7.5 2 15
123 3576 7.0 1 7
124 3786 7.0 1 7
125 4469 7.0 1 7
126 2926 6.0 2 12
127 1571 6.0 1 6
128 2660 6.0 1 6
129 2898 6.0 1 6
130 3024 6.0 1 6
131 3070 6.0 1 6
132 3192 6.0 1 6
133 3636 6.0 1 6
134 3673 6.0 1 6
135 3876 6.0 1 6
136 4104 6.0 1 6
137 4110 6.0 1 6
138 4304 6.0 1 6
139 4457 6.0 1 6
140 4548 6.0 1 6
141 4559 6.0 1 6
142 4608 6.0 1 6
143 4726 6.0 1 6
144 2942 4.0 1 4
145 2980 4.0 1 4
146 3049 4.0 1 4
147 3662 4.0 1 4
148 4051 4.0 1 4
149 4105 4.0 1 4
150 4131 4.0 1 4
151 4652 4.0 1 4
152 1823 3.0 1 3
153 3575 3.0 1 3
154 3218 2.0 1 2
155 3831 2.0 1 2
156 3237 0.0 1 0