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slickvic2252
14-04-2013, 17:06
when do the lists for divisions come out
F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 (http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/)
Joe Ross
14-04-2013, 17:19
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).
In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)
In 2011, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (6 days after the end of the last regionals)
In 2012, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the Michigan and MAR championships).
F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 (http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/)
I'm going to go through at least 3 keyboards this week.
I'm going to go through at least 3 keyboards this week.Once your F5 key wears out, just replace it with a different F key!
I'm going to go through at least 3 keyboards this week.
Why? By hitting F5, or because you sprayed some drink across it when you laughed after seeing 148's web page?
Once your F5 key wears out, just replace it with a different F key!
True, it's not like I ever use F6 anyway.
Why? By hitting F5, or because you sprayed some drink across it when you laughed after seeing 148's web page?
F5.
Grim Tuesday
14-04-2013, 21:18
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).
In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)
In 2011, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (6 days after the end of the last regionals)
In 2012, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the begging of the championship (4 days after the end of the Michigan and MAR championships).
For curiosity, what was different about 2011 that let them do them so much earlier?
Registration for Champs closes at 9:00 AM tuesday. So I would expect tuesday afternoon to wednesday night.
Source: http://www.firstinmichigan.org/FRC_2013/2013_Rules_Supplement.pdf
Registration for Champs closes at 9:00 AM tuesday. So I would expect tuesday afternoon to wednesday night.
Source: http://www.firstinmichigan.org/FRC_2013/2013_Rules_Supplement.pdf
That is for the state championship (MSC).
That is for the state championship (MSC).
The last page states that teams that qualify from Michigan must register at the aforementioned time.
Grim Tuesday
14-04-2013, 21:33
That is for the state championship (MSC).
Regardless of the document, registration for St. Louis CMP closes the Tuesday after the event you qualify in. I'd factor in one more day for teams that get in off the wait list or a ranking team that qualifies from Michigan due to another team that does qualify choosing not to go.
Registration for Champs closes at 9:00 AM tuesday. So I would expect tuesday afternoon to wednesday night.
Source: http://www.firstinmichigan.org/FRC_2013/2013_Rules_Supplement.pdf
The email we got from FIRST 2 hours ago says we have until Tuesday at 5:00PM.
The email we got from FIRST 2 hours ago says we have until Tuesday at 5:00PM.
Ok, I was just going off of what I saw. I would guess that means at least midday wednesday for a list then.
For curiosity, what was different about 2011 that let them do them so much earlier?
Championship moved a week later that year and there was no Week 7, which game teams an extra week to prepare.
artdutra04
14-04-2013, 21:41
F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 (http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/)Since I cache all the results locally to reduce the number of times I need to query the FIRST website, I added a new feature this year. Once the divisions are released, it will display the team lists for each of the divisions like this (screenshot uses 2012 team lists). The team numbers will be links to The Blue Alliance pages.
http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/are-divisions-out-yet.png (http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/)
How are divisions determined? Is it random?
akoscielski3
14-04-2013, 21:50
How are divisions determined? Is it random?
I am 99.99999999% sure divisions are random
How are divisions determined? Is it random?
Nobody really knows. Used to be fairly simple: sort the teams by number, then every fourth one is in the same division (1, 5, 9 in Archimedes, for example). A few years ago, they scrambled it so well that nobody could predict the divisions. And nobody's stepped up and said they've figured out the divisions before they were released since then.
How are divisions determined? Is it random?
Seems like random assignment. (Though it seems that 1986, Team Titanium, is tied to the Curie Curse :rolleyes:)
Still super excited to see who is going to be in the same division together x3 It's gonna be really fun to watch all these teams duke it out in a few days :D And to the person who made this website (http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/) You are amazing! <3
So I went on the FIRST Championship site and this is what I found. Is it a trick?
:yikes:
So I went on the FIRST Championship site and this is what I found. Is it a trick?
:yikes:
If you click on those Division Team Lists, it brings you to last years'. So yes, it is a trick :p
*Also, if you click on the 2013 Team List, that just brings you to all of the teams currently signed up for World Champs this year, not separated into any divisions.
The guy behind FRC Megaphone has created a division notifier!
Only one team per phone #, so choose wisely - but then you'll be texted as soon as divisions are released!
http://divisions.frcmega.com/
Side note - If you don't already use FRCMega, you should for Championship (FRCMega.com) - I have used it almost every week to follow friends' teams, and it works like a charm.
If you click on those Division Team Lists, it brings you to last years'. So yes, it is a trick :p
*Also, if you click on the 2013 Team List, that just brings you to all of the teams currently signed up for World Champs this year, not separated into any divisions.
Hallry,
Thanks for the confirmation. I did notice that 340 (who is not attending this year) was on the Newton Division. I thought it was too good to be true!
Banderoonies
15-04-2013, 11:58
Hallry,
Thanks for the confirmation. I did notice that 340 (who is not attending this year) was on the Newton Division. I thought it was too good to be true!
Yep, I fell for that trick last year. got all excited for nothing :(
It will come out tomorrow I bet :)
PayneTrain
15-04-2013, 13:51
It probably won't come out until Wednesday at the earliest, seeing as they are still pulling teams off the waitlist today.
#GOGOGO
wesbass23
15-04-2013, 15:03
The guy behind FRC Megaphone has created a division notifier!
Only one team per phone #, so choose wisely - but then you'll be texted as soon as divisions are released!
http://divisions.frcmega.com/
Side note - If you don't already use FRCMega, you should for Championship (FRCMega.com) - I have used it almost every week to follow friends' teams, and it works like a charm.
Do you get spam messages at all? I just signed up today and I have already gotten 2 spam texts about iPhone 6's...
hiyou102
15-04-2013, 15:20
Do you get spam messages at all? I just signed up today and I have already gotten 2 spam texts about iPhone 6's...
I'm pretty sure they don't send spam. All my friends and I use the service and we haven't gotten any spam. It might be from something else.
Do you get spam messages at all? I just signed up today and I have already gotten 2 spam texts about iPhone 6's...
Spam? What year is it...?
No, Megaphone and Division Notifier (or any other FRC service I build in the future) won't send you spam text messages, and your phone number will never be given out to anyone. I build these services for the community, not to sell phone numbers.
wesbass23
15-04-2013, 16:14
Spam? What year is it...?
No, Megaphone and Division Notifier (or any other FRC service I build in the future) won't send you spam text messages, and your phone number will never be given out to anyone. I build these services for the community, not to sell phone numbers.
Yea, you know, SPAM, 180? haha, yea what I meant was were the numbers given out somehow? I didn't think that you would do that to us, it was just odd that just an hour after I signed up I started getting texts about testing iPhone 6's and stuff.
EricS-Team180
15-04-2013, 16:36
We're not those kind of S.P.A.M.mers, I swear! :D
jwallace15
15-04-2013, 16:42
I'm pretty sure they don't send spam.
Yeah, Zach definitely wouldn't sell phone numbers.
People from 2337 are notably responsible and gracious (at least to me).
After all, they did win an MSC Chairman's Award :)
We're not those kind of S.P.A.M.mers, I swear! :D
?? (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam)
Akash Rastogi
15-04-2013, 16:44
Do you get spam messages at all? I just signed up today and I have already gotten 2 spam texts about iPhone 6's...
I've been using megaphone all season and have had no issues. That only happens when numbers are sold to third parties.
Andrew Schreiber
15-04-2013, 17:25
Do you get spam messages at all? I just signed up today and I have already gotten 2 spam texts about iPhone 6's...
They don't... if they do I'm rescinding my statement that Zach is awesome. And possibly swapping his diet coke out for a diet pepsi at Champs... maybe I'll go all the way to generic diet soda. mwhahah
PayneTrain
15-04-2013, 17:28
diet coke out for a diet pepsi
Above me is the face of pure evil.
Love the service. Too bad I can't add top 1% teams to the service to know exactly how to cower in fear, but it's cool.
MrForbes
17-04-2013, 12:57
hmmm....from the usfirst.org web page
PDOException: SQLSTATE[00000] [1040] Too many connections in lock_may_be_available() (line 167 of /var/www/html/includes/lock.inc).
I guess we're getting close?
DjScribbles
17-04-2013, 13:02
Did anyone else see the thread titled "Championships!!!" and instantly refresh http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/
BrendanB
17-04-2013, 13:03
Did anyone else see the thread titled "Championships!!!" and instantly refresh http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/
Maybe......:rolleyes:
EricLeifermann
17-04-2013, 13:06
Is anybody else unable to get to the FIRST site?
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 13:07
I believe HQ's target is 408 FRC teams this year. As of this post, TIMS is returning that only 393 teams are registered for championships. (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2013&event=cmp) If they were to release divisions now it would be... highly unexpected.
zachmartin1806
17-04-2013, 13:08
hmmm....from the usfirst.org web page
PDOException: SQLSTATE[00000] [1040] Too many connections in lock_may_be_available() (line 167 of /var/www/html/includes/lock.inc).
I guess we're getting close?
I think your right, i can't wait its taking to long! :eek:
Akash Rastogi
17-04-2013, 13:09
Still only 393 teams registered.
avanboekel
17-04-2013, 13:09
Is anybody else unable to get to the FIRST site?
I'm not able to get in.
PDOException: SQLSTATE[00000] [1040] Too many connections in lock_may_be_available() (line 167 of /var/www/html/includes/lock.inc).
avanboekel
17-04-2013, 13:16
Still only 393 teams registered.
394 now. I highly doubt we'll get the division list until we get all 408 teams in TIMS.
394 now. I highly doubt we'll get the division list until we get all 408 teams in TIMS.
408? Where'd you get that number?
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 13:24
408? Where'd you get that number?
Volunteer information disseminated a layout of America's Center with 102 teams in each division.
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 13:27
hmmm....from the usfirst.org web page
PDOException: SQLSTATE[00000] [1040] Too many connections in lock_may_be_available() (line 167 of /var/www/html/includes/lock.inc).
I guess we're getting close?
anyone get in yet? I still can't
avanboekel
17-04-2013, 13:32
anyone get in yet? I still can't
Back up
anyone get in yet? I still can't
sits quietly in study hall killing the f5 button on my computer ;)
zachmartin1806
17-04-2013, 13:34
I got in but no divisions yet...
i got back in to also, and no divisions thats dissapointing
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 13:38
sits quietly in study hall killing the f5 button on my computer ;)
I''m with you. In a meeting, cant concentrate.... all I can do is F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
EricLeifermann
17-04-2013, 13:38
Volunteer information disseminated a layout of America's Center with 102 teams in each division.
102 per division also makes it a 17 match cycle count and no need for surrogate matches, if you went less teams you would have to go down to 96 teams(384 total teams) in each division to not need surrogate matches. We also don't have space for 432 teams (108 teams in each division)
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 13:39
394 now. I highly doubt we'll get the division list until we get all 408 teams in TIMS.
We may be waiting forever for them to hit 408. The number seems to be creeping up slowly. Not many can plan a trip and get their school boards to approve it in only one week
We may be waiting forever for them to hit 408. The number seems to be creeping up slowly. Not many can plan a trip and get their school boards to approve it in only one week
not to mention ship the robot in time....
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 13:43
We may be waiting forever for them to hit 408. The number seems to be creeping up slowly. Not many can plan a trip and get their school boards to approve it in only one week
I will say that HQ not following the removal of merit bids from the pool by Week 2 or 3 at the latest and inviting off the waitlist accordingly, they have put themselves and teams in a sticky situation. I imagine a number of teams are getting the call and having to turn it down. On 422, it took a tidal wave of sponsor support, parent involvement, and school administration bending their own rules in a span of 36 hours.
Donovan0217
17-04-2013, 13:49
102 per division also makes it a 17 match cycle count and no need for surrogate matches, if you went less teams you would have to go down to 96 teams(384 total teams) in each division to not need surrogate matches. We also don't have space for 432 teams (108 teams in each division)
This may cause complaints by some teams, but couldn't they just use 396 teams and have 2 divisions with 102 teams and 2 divisions with 96 teams?
Alan Anderson
17-04-2013, 13:51
I will say that HQ not following the removal of merit bids from the pool by Week 2 or 3 at the latest and inviting off the waitlist accordingly, they have put themselves and teams in a sticky situation. I imagine a number of teams are getting the call and having to turn it down. On 422, it took a tidal wave of sponsor support, parent involvement, and school administration bending their own rules in a span of 36 hours.
Planning ahead is not unreasonable. A number of teams scheduled their trip to the Championship months ago, having no idea if they'd actually be going. It's easier to cancel a school field trip at the last minute than to try to get one approved on short notice.
EricLeifermann
17-04-2013, 13:53
This may cause complaints by some teams, but couldn't they just use 396 teams and have 2 divisions with 102 teams and 2 divisions with 96 teams?
They could and if they don't get the teams I can see them doing it. I told my team to not expect divisions until tomorrow and Monday at the latest...
FIRST can't make teams go and they can't start telling teams they can't go now they've signed up, to make the divisions "equal". No body complains that each regional/district has different amounts of teams. As long as each division got the same # of matches I don't have a problem with uneven team counts in the divisions.
Donovan0217
17-04-2013, 13:55
They could and if they don't get the teams I can see them doing it. I told my team to not expect divisions until tomorrow and Monday at the latest...
FIRST can't make teams go and they can't start telling teams they can't go now they've signed up, to make the divisions "equal". No body complains that each regional/district has different amounts of teams. As long as each division got the same # of matches I don't have a problem with uneven team counts in the divisions.
Personally i have no problem with it either, but i was unsure of if FIRST would have a problem with that. It would make the most sense, because getting two more teams to attend is a lot easier than 14 on this short notice.
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 13:56
This may cause complaints by some teams, but couldn't they just use 396 teams and have 2 divisions with 102 teams and 2 divisions with 96 teams?
The championship event is a meta-game of inches. People will complain about unbalanced/unequal divisions, whether you think it's silly or not.
Planning ahead is not unreasonable. A number of teams scheduled their trip to the Championship months ago, having no idea if they'd actually be going. It's easier to cancel a school field trip at the last minute than to try to get one approved on short notice.
That's a fair point. If both sides planned ahead, there would be less of a scramble altogether.
I told my team to not expect divisions until tomorrow and Monday at the latest...
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?
*Just playing devil's advocate
also i would think anyone going must have thier robot shipped by thursday at the latest, unless FIRST allowed them to transport it themselves. 3130 a friend of my team got in on the wait list. They got a call monday night and had until 11am on tuesday to say yes or no. Just to add some context of how long you have to decide
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?
*Just playing devil's advocate
But I need it.
XaulZan11
17-04-2013, 14:03
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?
*Just playing devil's advocate
It take a long time to pre-scout 100 teams...
Back in 2010, I believe 1732 added an autonomous mode to block 469 from the tunnel after the divisions were released. This year, I could see teams building a tall FCS-blocker if they find themselves in a division with some of the best tall FCS.
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?
*Just playing devil's advocate
Fantasy FIRST drafts.
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 14:05
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?
*Just playing devil's advocate
I don't need it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA1mbZ_MMh8)
Donovan0217
17-04-2013, 14:05
It take a long time to pre-scout 100 teams...
Back in 2010, I believe 1732 added an autonomous mode to block 469 from the tunnel after the divisions were released. This year, I could see teams building a tall FCS-blocker if they find themselves in a division with some of the best tall FCS.
While that may help a bit to have it early, it really only takes $5 in pool noodles and 10 minutes to make an efficient FCS blocker...
While that may help a bit to have it early, it really only takes $5 in pool noodles and 10 minutes to make an efficient FCS blocker...Not if you want it to move...
Donovan0217
17-04-2013, 14:11
Not if you want it to move...
Fair enough. I definately agree that it can help knowing who is in your division early on, especially with 100 teams in it, i was also just trying to show the other side.
Stephen.Yanczura
17-04-2013, 14:14
We may be waiting forever for them to hit 408. The number seems to be creeping up slowly. Not many can plan a trip and get their school boards to approve it in only one week
Hi Sandy ;)
Don't you have some work to do?!
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 14:18
Hi Sandy ;)
Don't you have some work to do?!
Um.....yes? as you can see, I"m not getting much done at work :(
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 14:20
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?
*Just playing devil's advocate
pre-scouting need for sure...but more so for me it's just the anticipation, the not knowing that drives me nuts :)
hunterteam3476
17-04-2013, 14:52
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?
*Just playing devil's advocate
you can look at the other teams that are in your division and start coming up with strategy for the competition.:)
J-Blondie
17-04-2013, 15:09
Both "Are Divisions Out Yet?" and the FIRST website are down now it looks like. Way to go everypony! :P
I am super excited for divisions to be released though. Better be before 5:15pm if it's going to be tonight. I don't have internet access at work.
Straight from the creator of aredivisionsoutyet.com:
"It's from the FIRST website. Their website keeps crashing and I'm getting bad data when scraping"
I asked if this means divisions are out, but he didn't answer. My guess is conspiracy!!
J-Blondie
17-04-2013, 15:21
Conspiracy is always the best way to go when it comes to waiting for divisions.
Straight from the creator of aredivisionsoutyet.com:
"It's from the FIRST website. Their website keeps crashing and I'm getting bad data when scraping"
I asked if this means divisions are out, but he didn't answer. My guess is conspiracy!!
FIRST did take past year's data (including last year's division lists) down from the Championship page (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/championship-event).
you can look at the other teams that are in your division and start coming up with strategy for the competition.:)
Fantasy FIRST drafts.
Again, besides for pre-scouting. Fantasy FIRST, yes, I love it, but not a need.
jlmcmchl
17-04-2013, 15:27
FIRST did take past year's data (including last year's division lists) down from the Championship page (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/championship-event).
Again, besides for pre-scouting. Fantasy FIRST, yes, I love it, but not a need.
Trust me, for everyone in FF going to CMP, it's going to be a nightmare to generate lists when trying to pack the trailer if we can't get them soon.
The FIRST website has replaced the list of last years divisions with the list of 2013 divisions. However, the links are not yet clickable, and the team list doesn't seem to be loading either.
Kevin Leonard
17-04-2013, 15:31
THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME.
UGHHHHHHHHHHH.
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 15:34
THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME.
UGHHHHHHHHHHH.
Me too! Dare we hope to be in the same division with 20? :)
jlmcmchl
17-04-2013, 15:36
What would be funny now is if someone took the current list of teams and randomized them, and posted it here. Extremely cruel, taking advantage of tons of people, but humorous.
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 15:40
I hope we're in the same division as 1114 and 2056. I can only hope.
EricLeifermann
17-04-2013, 15:41
I hope we're in the same division as 1114 and 2056. I can only hope.
Nobody wants to be in that division but 1114 and 2056.... and who their 3rd robot would be.
Imagine if they were separated? That would be a shocking blow.
Thad House
17-04-2013, 15:43
I hope we're in the same division as 1114 and 2056. I can only hope.
I'd love to see "The Eh Team" again. But then don't put us in that division.
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 15:43
Imagine if they were separated? That would be a shocking blow.
Usually they are separated. I think last year was the only year they were in the same division.
BobbyVanNess
17-04-2013, 15:44
Me too! Dare we hope to be in the same division with 20? :)
Only if we're behind the same wall! Our robot would look hideous with a mass of pool noodles flopping around on top of it ;)
EricLeifermann
17-04-2013, 15:44
Usually they are separated. I think last year was the only year they were in the same division.
They've been in the same division I believe 2 other times, 2009 and I can't remember the other. In 2009 they teamed up together in the elims as well.
jlmcmchl
17-04-2013, 15:46
Usually they are separated. I think last year was the only year they were in the same division.
I'm pretty sure it'll be pseudorandom as it has been each year, and so about 1 in every 4 years that can happen. The Eh Team? 1 in about 16 years.
iPenguin
17-04-2013, 15:48
They've been in the same division I believe 2 other times, 2009 and I can't remember the other. In 2009 they teamed up together in the elims as well.
My team is very familiar with that year, having gone up against them in Archimedes QF 1 v 8.
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 15:50
Usually they are separated. I think last year was the only year they were in the same division.
Regardless of who else is in their division, together they are unstoppable.
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 15:50
Maybe there needs to be a new division for the super-bots.
jlmcmchl
17-04-2013, 15:51
Maybe there needs to be a new division for the super-bots.
That's called Einstein.
EricLeifermann
17-04-2013, 15:52
Regardless of who else is in their division, together they are unstoppable.
Disagree I think there are many alliances that I could form with teams going to champs that could beat a 1114, 2056, XXXX alliance.
Banderoonies
17-04-2013, 15:52
That's called Einstein.
hehehehe
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 15:56
I'm pretty sure it'll be pseudorandom as it has been each year, and so about 1 in every 4 years that can happen. The Eh Team? 1 in about 16 years.
I don't think that's how probability works...
jlmcmchl
17-04-2013, 15:58
I don't think that's how probability works...
That's how it works, given any division. For specifically archimedes, it's one every 64 years.
J-Blondie
17-04-2013, 15:59
Well at least Chief Delphi isn't down yet...Come on FIRST!
That's how it works, given any division. For specifically archimedes, it's one every 64 years.
Assuming its random :rolleyes:
Travis Hoffman
17-04-2013, 16:04
Usually they are separated. I think last year was the only year they were in the same division.
We were in the same division with 1114 from 2005-2011.
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 16:11
That's how it works, given any division. For specifically archimedes, it's one every 64 years.
I guess I'm wrong. My friend Joel corrected me.
The web pages have been being wonky for days. The division pages specifically were throwing some random errors about two nights ago. I just keep waiting for my text message...
Again, besides for pre-scouting. Fantasy FIRST, yes, I love it, but not a need.
Bite your tongue!
engunneer
17-04-2013, 16:39
That's how it works, given any division. For specifically archimedes, it's one every 64 years.
25% chance.
1114 has a 1.00 chance of being on the same field as 1114. 2056 has a 0.25 chance of being assigned to each field. Since one of the 4 has 1114, the total chance is 1.00*0.25= 0.25
If you want to pick a particular field, then it is another 1 in 4 chance, so total is one in 16.
Back in Atlanta, I think they used to pick the two 'strongest' divisions to be on the side facing the VIP areas in the arena. That was Galileo and Archimedes, IIRC. I think this is one reason behind the curie curse.
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 16:43
Anyone want to tell me why http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/ is throwing a 500 internal server error? :O
Akash Rastogi
17-04-2013, 16:47
Anyone want to tell me why http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/ is throwing a 500 internal server error? :O
C'mon guys it isn't hard to figure out.
Art's site scrapes data from FIRST's servers.
CrazyMohawk
17-04-2013, 16:48
Anyone want to tell me why http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/ is throwing a 500 internal server error? :O
Because the first site is down.
Tom Bottiglieri
17-04-2013, 16:48
They are out.
CrazyMohawk
17-04-2013, 16:49
They are out.
post it
Grim Tuesday
17-04-2013, 16:49
They are out.
If you are able to access them, would you be able to screen cap them and post them on here for all of us to see? That would be lovely as the site seems to be down for most of us.
The Lucas
17-04-2013, 16:50
FMS says divisions are out
https://my.usfirst.org/frc/scoring/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&ID_event=8941
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 16:51
OH SHOOT
FMS says divisions are out
https://my.usfirst.org/frc/scoring/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&ID_event=8941
Divisions appear at the very end of each team's line.
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 16:53
1772 is in Galileo with 1114 & 118 :D, 2056 is in Curie.
Tom Bottiglieri
17-04-2013, 16:53
Here
Akash Rastogi
17-04-2013, 16:56
Here
Thanks Tom.
Grim Tuesday
17-04-2013, 16:56
Let me be bold: Curie Curse will be broken this year. 67, 2056, 1717 all in Curie.
The time has come to GO NUTS!
Radical Pi
17-04-2013, 16:58
Here's the list
11
20
33
51
71
78
126
172
236
254
291
314
316
321
326
365
379
433
469
525
639
694
701
801
812
836
840
846
868
910
930
948
955
973
987
1011
1071
1075
1100
1334
1448
1519
1595
1610
1660
1714
1747
1756
1796
1836
1868
1902
1967
2016
2081
2137
2165
2408
2415
2457
2468
2486
2590
2604
2614
2704
2705
2709
2959
3003
3008
3044
3145
3242
3245
3310
3314
3467
3478
3504
3612
3627
4067
4265
4450
4466
4470
4471
4499
4501
4537
4545
4585
4589
4637
4673
4731
4753
4810
16
67
103
120
135
148
193
230
233
234
293
359
399
435
540
620
781
862
932
967
968
1138
1262
1288
1290
1306
1310
1421
1503
1540
1541
1559
1577
1622
1678
1684
1706
1708
1717
1735
1810
1816
1918
1923
1939
1983
2039
2056
2062
2130
2145
2168
2187
2220
2383
2489
2638
2836
2910
2936
2996
3061
3138
3239
3354
3374
3387
3410
3414
3489
3539
3660
3753
3824
3926
3990
4063
4080
4091
4122
4124
4125
4159
4320
4464
4488
4516
4523
4543
4564
4576
4610
4645
4646
4667
4716
4761
4781
4814
27
45
70
95
111
118
125
151
192
222
245
295
329
337
358
384
422
447
467
578
610
744
842
1086
1114
1218
1241
1323
1325
1378
1405
1425
1429
1477
1629
1675
1710
1726
1732
1772
1801
1806
1912
1987
2000
2046
2169
2175
2199
2259
2337
2338
2341
2403
2474
2481
2485
2502
2512
2630
2648
2729
2809
2834
2907
2978
3018
3132
3189
3211
3284
3459
3481
3528
3641
3656
3941
3944
4011
4026
4039
4069
4158
4334
4452
4462
4472
4481
4492
4502
4522
4541
4557
4579
4601
4607
4627
4641
4797
25
68
79
88
93
116
122
128
131
141
155
175
180
190
191
195
217
225
296
303
341
353
492
503
537
604
771
829
1111
1208
1251
1305
1311
1410
1511
1515
1523
1538
1569
1640
1646
1671
1676
1718
1730
1739
1741
1885
1899
1985
1986
2052
2054
2080
2194
2252
2283
2386
2389
2439
2471
2612
2619
2655
2783
2789
2826
2851
2974
3130
3137
3171
3244
3280
3339
3476
3574
3756
3802
3880
3931
3997
4276
4451
4476
4487
4505
4519
4531
4539
4572
4586
4629
4652
4656
4666
4713
4828
Steven Donow
17-04-2013, 16:58
Let me be bold: Curie Curse will be broken this year. 67, 2056, 1717 all in Curie.
Everyone said that last year with 341, 254, 987, and 233 on Curie...
The Lucas
17-04-2013, 17:04
Divisions appear at the very end of each team's line.
If you add a query to the end of the url you can get one division like this
&division=Archimedes
Massive talent on Galileo.
27, 111, 118, 125, 192, 245, 610, 842, 1114, 1218, 1241, 1675, 1806, 1912, 4039 to name a few.
orangemoore
17-04-2013, 17:06
I am going to sound stupid but, What is the Curie Curse?
M.O'Reilly
17-04-2013, 17:08
Lots of MAR teams in Archimedes.
I am going to sound stupid but, What is the Curie Curse?
No matter how good the alliance, something awful always befalls the alliance from Curie and they never win the Championship. (case in point 2010)
propionate
17-04-2013, 17:09
Massive talent on Galileo.
27, 111, 118, 125, 192, 245, 610, 842, 1114, 1218, 1241, 1675, 1806, 1912, 4039 to name a few.
Don't forget about 1732! But interjections aside, Galileo is looking to be a fantastic field. Will be fun to play alongside some of the greatest teams in FIRST. See you all in a week!
Thad House
17-04-2013, 17:13
Looks like 395 teams total.
Lots of MAR teams in Archimedes.
6 on Newton (25, 225, 303, 341, 1640, and 1676)
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 17:18
Big scoop for everyone here:
All divisions are stacked with talented teams. It's like this is a really big event or something.
I wish you all success.
6 on Newton (25, 225, 303, 341, 1640, and 1676)
Edited* I'm bad at counting, nevermind
M.O'Reilly
17-04-2013, 17:23
I count 6 on Archimedes as well (11, 316, 321, 365, 433, 2590)
At least 9: 11, 321, 316, 365, 433, 2016, 2590, 3314 and 4637
I just keep waiting for my text message...
Well, so much for that text message...
MARS_James
17-04-2013, 17:26
12 Teams that are 15XX
0 Galileo
2 Archimedes
5 Curie
5 Newton
Interesting :D
Patrick Flynn
17-04-2013, 17:28
Well, so much for that text message...
This is because the divisions have not been posted on the official FIRST page where i assume Zach gets his info from. Someone pulled them from the FMS page. FIRST's page isn't down due to overloading its been down all day, for an assumed update. Until their out officially on their page I would be skeptical
I know of at least one team that has been given an invite and in the process of accepting that is not on that list.
Wetzel
Well, so much for that text message...
Ugh. The FIRST pages are loading to slow, and my script isn't able to get to them...
I know of at least one team that has been given an invite and in the process of accepting that is not on that list.
Wetzel
There will probably be a few more teams being added to the list the next few days.
I'm loving the archimedes division right now, with 20, 33, 71, 254, 469, 973, 987, 2590. Lots and lots of floor pickup. We will probably even see another 90 point autonomous.
Curie looks pretty good too, although very different. They have a few high profile floor pickups: 233+359+2056. But they also have 2 of the best fcs: 67+148, as well as 1 of the best cyclers: 1717.
Kaushal.K
17-04-2013, 17:46
Got the text... :) 1241 is on Galileo... should be a blast! Thanks for the frcmega text updates, really appreciated it when being at school while the team competed!
MARS_James
17-04-2013, 17:49
13 Florida teams
4 Newton
3 Curie
1 Galileo (Poor Lonely Shark Attack)
5 Archimedes
Adding in teams that qualified for a slot in Florida (1772 Brazil, 4091 Dominican Republic, 4451 South Carolina)
5 Newton
4 Curie
2 Galileo (Shark gets their Brazilian Alliance Partner)
5 Archimedes
I just got a text too, but FIRST's site still appears to be down.
I just got a text too, but FIRST's site still appears to be down.
Well the FIRST site is back up - unfortunately the divisions aren't linked yet.
Well the FIRST site is back up - unfortunately the divisions aren't linked yet.
The main site's up, but the FRC results system still looks to be down.
jlmcmchl
17-04-2013, 19:06
Ignore this post.
Travis Hoffman
17-04-2013, 19:08
See attachment. I was bored. I'm sure awesome gee whiz scouting spifftasticness will be published by others eventually.
Very basic, but at least somewhat orderly.
I used a copy of the OPR Results tab from Ed Law's spreadsheet to grab the Max OPR's.
Ian Curtis
17-04-2013, 21:34
When I got home from work my facebook wall had exploded with people chanting the names of dead scientists.
Did someone say culture change? :cool:
The Lucas
18-04-2013, 00:04
The web pages have been being wonky for days. The division pages specifically were throwing some random errors about two nights ago. I just keep waiting for my text message...
This is because the divisions have not been posted on the official FIRST page where i assume Zach gets his info from. Someone pulled them from the FMS page. FIRST's page isn't down due to overloading its been down all day, for an assumed update. Until their out officially on their page I would be skeptical
"FMS" page always gets updated before the regular "TIMS" page, sometimes by a great deal of time. Justin & his "source" used this to pull off the best Division reveal (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85064) IMHO. Revealing team by team, it was like the first FRCTop25 Broadcast.
I'm sure Zach will use the FMS page in the future. FRCMega has been a great addition to our community created apps & services. FMS page would be easier to parse for the an SMS generating script anyway, since it is designed to be parsed by a computer. I personally use the FMS pages all the time anyway. They are way easier to paste into spreadsheets and always on 1 page.
MooreteP
18-04-2013, 08:42
Has anyone been able to figure out an algorithm for the division assignments?
There seems to be a pattern in that international teams are grouped in specific divisions.
Israel: 2 each in Galileo, Newton, and Curie.
Mexico: 3 Archimedes, 2 Curie, but 1 Newton.
Australia: Archimedes, Galileo
Netherlands: Galileo
Turkey: Newton.
Brazil: Galileo
By Team Number:
ACANGAGAGCNGAANNNGCGNGCNGANNCNCGNANNNNGCNNNGNCCCAG AACGNNAAAAGGNNGC
Any guesses?
MARS_James
18-04-2013, 08:48
Has anyone been able to figure out an algorithm for the division assignments?
There seems to be a pattern in that international teams are grouped in specific divisions.
Israel: 2 each in Galileo, Newton, and Curie.
Mexico: 3 Archimedes, 2 Curie, but 1 Newton.
Australia: Archimedes, Galileo
Netherlands: Galileo
Turkey: Newton.
Brazil: Galileo
By Team Number:
ACANGAGAGCNGAANNNGCGNGCNGANNCNCGNANNNNGCNNNGNCCCAG AACGNNAAAAGGNNGC
Any guesses?
Canada and The Dominican Republic no longer count as being international good to know 'Merica spread it's borders without me realizing :cool:
But Just to add Canada has 27 teams:
2 Archimedes
8 Curie
10 Galileo
7 Newton
While the Dominican Republic team is in Curie
Has anyone been able to figure out an algorithm for the division assignments?
There seems to be a pattern in that international teams are grouped in specific divisions.
Israel: 2 each in Galileo, Newton, and Curie.
Mexico: 3 Archimedes, 2 Curie, but 1 Newton.
Australia: Archimedes, Galileo
Netherlands: Galileo
Turkey: Newton.
Brazil: Galileo
By Team Number:
ACANGAGAGCNGAANNNGCGNGCNGANNCNCGNANNNNGCNNNGNCCCAG AACGNNAAAAGGNNGC
Any guesses?
Substituting T for N, pretty sure we get a transcription of a piece of Dean's DNA... :p
Substituting T for N, pretty sure we get a transcription of a piece of Dean's DNA... :p
So that's how they assign divisions!
MooreteP
18-04-2013, 09:22
Canada and The Dominican Republic no longer count as being international good to know 'Merica spread it's borders without me realizing :cool:
But Just to add Canada has 27 teams:
2 Archimedes
8 Curie
10 Galileo
7 Newton
While the Dominican Republic team is in Curie
Yeah, I thought about my miss of the Dominican Republic after my post.
My bad.
I was too lazy to parse the Canadian teams. Again, my bad.
Nonetheless, what do you think the powers that be used as an algorithm?
In the past it was a simple ACGN repeating, this year... IDK.
Is there a pattern of Regional winners being equally spread through the divisions?
Substituting T for N, pretty sure we get a transcription of a piece of Dean's DNA... :p
Nah... it's all in pi.
http://pi.nersc.gov/cgi-bin/pi.cgi?word=newton&format=char
Just FYI, with all of the hype about divisions last night, we set a new record for most users online on Chief Delphi, with 918 users online simultaneously.
jlmcmchl
18-04-2013, 11:31
Just FYI, with all of the hype about divisions last night, we set a new record for most users online on Chief Delphi, with 918 users online simultaneously.
Wow, no wonder FIRST's servers died for so long...
918 users online simultaneously.
Whoops, I meant 988. ;)
AlexD744
18-04-2013, 12:04
13 Florida teams
4 Newton
3 Curie
1 Galileo (Poor Lonely Shark Attack)
5 Archimedes
Adding in teams that qualified for a slot in Florida (1772 Brazil, 4091 Dominican Republic, 4451 South Carolina)
5 Newton
4 Curie
2 Galileo (Shark gets their Brazilian Alliance Partner)
5 Archimedes
Don't worry, we'll make Florida proud! And hope to see some Florida friends on Einstein? ;)
Happy to see 1772 in our division though! :)
Wow, no wonder FIRST's servers died for so long...
This has probably been discussed several times in the history of CD, but I'm a relative newcomer. <type=rhetorical>Isn't there something wrong that CD can stay up under a load that brings down the FIRST servers?</type>
This has probably been discussed several times in the history of CD, but I'm a relative newcomer. <type=rhetorical>Isn't there something wrong that CD can stay up under a load that brings down the FIRST servers?</type>
CD isn't under the same load as the FIRST servers. The FIRST servers are getting hit by everyone here on CD and by all the people that are not.
Wetzel
CD isn't under the same load as the FIRST servers. The FIRST servers are getting hit by everyone here on CD and by all the people that are not.
Wetzel
<type=rhetorical>You do understand what a rhetorical question is, right?</type> :D
I understand that the FIRST site has more people trying to access it than CD. Adding in the various scrapers that people write, it must have a lot more traffic. Here's the real point: FIRST should know that, and have the appropriate capacity. There was an implied sarcasm tag on my post....
The Lucas
18-04-2013, 15:54
Has anyone been able to figure out an algorithm for the division assignments?
There seems to be a pattern in that international teams are grouped in specific divisions.
Israel: 2 each in Galileo, Newton, and Curie.
Mexico: 3 Archimedes, 2 Curie, but 1 Newton.
Australia: Archimedes, Galileo
Netherlands: Galileo
Turkey: Newton.
Brazil: Galileo
By Team Number:
ACANGAGAGCNGAANNNGCGNGCNGANNCNCGNANNNNGCNNNGNCCCAG AACGNNAAAAGGNNGC
Any guesses?
On the first divisions that broke from the ordered numbering of the past, I did a simple analysis. I looked at the teams in sequential order and the streaks of same division. It was very similar to what one would expect in a pseudorandom pick 1 of 4 divisions for each team. If you are curious, I posted my spreadsheet on CD, it would be easy to run again for this year. I figure it is pseudorandom, so I have lost interest.
<type=rhetorical>You do understand what a rhetorical question is, right?</type> :D
I understand that the FIRST site has more people trying to access it than CD. Adding in the various scrapers that people write, it must have a lot more traffic. Here's the real point: FIRST should know that, and have the appropriate capacity. There was an implied sarcasm tag on my post....
The whole FIRST site didn't crash, just some parts. The FMS pages never went down, which is important.
MARS_James
19-04-2013, 19:17
So time for more useless data:
The combined team numbers for each division is:
Archimedes: 207649
Curie: 242674
Galileo: 232662
Newton: 211761
Meaning if you average the team numbers you get the following:
Archimedes: 2076 (2007 Team)
Curie: 2427 (2008 Team)
Galileo: 2327 (2008 Team)
Newton: 2117 (2007 Team)
Which implies that Archimedes and Newton average 7 years experience per team while Curie and Galileo average 6 years based on team numbers (I am going through to get the actual years of experience per team to see what the actual result is since numbers don't equal years of experience when you are talking about less than 500)
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