Archimedes 2013!!!

[jblay]

First time in Archimedes, so excited.

Does anyone know who the regular MC and Game Announcer team are on Archimedes?

Here is a Google Doc for Pit Scouting every team in the division. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuF1A5cZW-3sdHg2cDA2M2htQWRrVFRjVkpFN2U5bXc#gid=5)
It's a collaboration effort so please put in any information you have, but only if you know it's correct.
Hopefully this will make pit scouting 102 teams a little easier.
If you have any suggested changes please email or PM me.

Team List:
11
20
33
51
71
78
126
172
236
254
291
314
316
321
326
365
379
433
469
525
639
694
701
801
812
836
840
846
868
910
930
948
955
973
987
1011
1071
1075
1100
1334
1448
1519
1595
1610
1660
1714
1747
1756
1796
1836
1868
1902
1967
2016
2081
2137
2165
2408
2415
2457
2468
2486
2590
2604
2614
2704
2705
2709
2959
3003
3008
3044
3145
3242
3245
3310
3314
3467
3478
3504
3612
3627
4067
4265
4450
4466
4470
4471
4499
4501
4537
4545
4585
4589
4637
4673
4731
4753
4810

ARCHI

[dodar]

This division is gonna be insane. I can see multiple alliances coming from Archimedes with a legitimate chance at a 90pt auto.

[kjohnson]

MEDES!

[dag0620]

Really Pumped to be rocking Archimedes this year guys!

[Grim Tuesday]

Just looking at, this is one stacked division. We need some statistics to see what it's like for depth but at the top there are lots of potential contenders for the crown: 11, 20, 33, 254, 469, 973, 987, 1334, 2590... the list goes on. I could see any of these leading an alliance to Einstein.

[bscharles]

930 is super pumped to be in Archimedes once again. We found out yesterday that we got in on the wait list, so everything's a blur right now

[Akash Rastogi]

Archi is stacked.

[Link07]

Archi is stacked.

It seems your NJ power alliance of 2590/11/316 is now a possibility!

[Chad987]

Wow, this is going to be a competitive division for sure, I can't wait to see how things play out. :D
Also, we are not on Curie for the third year in a row!

[Schnabel]

-MEDES!

[tim-tim]

The RoboBees are excited to be in the Archimedes Division.

We are excited to be playing with some old friends and definitely count on making some new ones. See you all in a week!

[Mike Marandola]

This will be a pretty competitive division. A NJ alliance would be awesome.

[jessss]

2705 WE ROBOT is excited to be in Archimedes!

[Akash Rastogi]

It seems your NJ power alliance of 2590/11/316 is now a possibility!

Nah, too deep of a field for that.

[JohnSchneider]

We're pumped!

[Jim Zondag]

WOW, This is gonna be great!!@

[bscharles]

Anybody know where to get Archimedes Division banners to go in the CD signature?

[efoote868]

Yikes, so many good teams!

[Joon Park]

I'll be honest: I'm intimidated. But you can bet it's going to be a blast. See you guys out there!

[nikeairmancurry]

A lot of good Michigan talent here.. A lot of World Wide talent here.. Let's win one for Archimedes!

[StAxis]

If anyone would like to help fill out a google docs pre-scouting sheet for all the teams, here you go! I separated a few columns out already but feel free to add more or any extra notes, can't wait to play on this field!!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvygsLyuvZfEdFlQb0xQVTlDOXluLUVFU0FlOThuU 1E#gid=0

[Akash Rastogi]

If anyone would like to help fill out a google docs pre-scouting sheet for all the teams, here you go! I separated a few columns out already but feel free to add more or any extra notes, can't wait to play on this field!!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvygsLyuvZfEdFlQb0xQVTlDOXluLUVFU0FlOThuU 1E#gid=0

Hold off on this for a bit. 694 will be posting a better one with more areas of information that I like a lot.

[dodar]

A lot of good Michigan talent here.. A lot of World Wide talent here.. Let's win one for Archimedes!

2006 was the last time it did; I think Archimedes is due for another.

[jblay]

Hold off on this for a bit. 694 will be posting a better one with more areas of information that I like a lot.

Thanks Akash, I posted it in the original post so that it's easy to access when you open the thread.

Here is the link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuF1A5cZW-3sdHg2cDA2M2htQWRrVFRjVkpFN2U5bXc#gid=5

[Mr.Smoky15]

Team 2408's first time going to World for FRC. Good luck to all the other 'medes teams!

[JohnSchneider]

Judging by the team list "autonomedes" is probably a more appropriate name for this division.

[plnyyanks]

Does anyone know who the regular MC and Game Announcer team are on Archimedes?


I'd expect Mark to emcee, I believe he usually does whatever field 254 is on. Plus, for anecdotal evidence, last time 1124 was on Archimedes (2010) Mark was the emcee there.

[AdamHeard]

973 is hunting down high quality pictures for the division, we are missing the following teams;

4265
3310
126
316
236
3314
1796
3145
326
2457
1595
930
2408
1660
172
3044
1756
4466
1714
3008
4067
2709
4731
2704
433
4589
1448
3612
4545
3478
4637
3504
4753
4537
2081
321

Also, a good deal of the teams we have are from FRC Tracker, where the picture quality is awful (and often the edges of the robot are distorted by pits, people, etc...). So any and all decent pictures are appreciated!

We post a .zip of the pics as we near completion to help everyone out.

[JohnSchneider]

973 is hunting down high quality pictures for the division, we are missing the following teams;

4265
3310
126
316
236
3314
1796
3145
326
2457
1595
930
2408
1660
172
3044
1756
4466
1714
3008
4067
2709
4731
2704
433
4589
1448
3612
4545
3478
4637
3504
4753
4537
2081
321

Also, a good deal of the teams we have are from FRC Tracker, where the picture quality is awful (and often the edges of the robot are distorted by pits, people, etc...). So any and all decent pictures are appreciated!

We post a .zip of the pics as we near completion to help everyone out.

What's your preferred delivery method

[AdamHeard]

What's your preferred delivery method

In this thread, a link, an email to A Heard (AT) CALPOLY (DOT) EDU (remove spaces obviously), smoke signal, etc... We're accommodating.

[Grim Tuesday]

If anyone would like to help fill out a google docs pre-scouting sheet for all the teams, here you go! I separated a few columns out already but feel free to add more or any extra notes, can't wait to play on this field!!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvygsLyuvZfEdFlQb0xQVTlDOXluLUVFU0FlOThuU 1E#gid=0

Just so no one else has to go through with it, I transcribed all the 'Best Event' OPR's from Ed Law's week 7 spreadsheet and pasted them into this doc.

[mrmummert]

Wow...lots of good teams.....what FCS (full court shooters) do we have? 314,326,365,236,2137?

[ks_mumupsi]

interesting division to say the least.

lots of MAR teams and lots of MSC teams and lots of West coast teams...

very well setup I believe as a division. It is a deep field.

Early tweaking on the following teams, 2 midline autonomous teams (987, 469) and 3 7 disc autonomous (2590, 254, 33) teams should provide for a very interesting setup.

Potentially having two alliances with a 15 disc autonomous.... which would creating an interesting battle for midline discs..

should be fun, should be interesting.

time to start tweaking our strategy for the division :).

[JohnSchneider]

In this thread, a link, an email to A Heard (AT) CALPOLY (DOT) EDU (remove spaces obviously), smoke signal, etc... We're accommodating.

You should be receiving our telegraph soon. But until then:

http://i.imgur.com/3qddwe7.jpg

[Normtheman]

Anyone know how many 30 point climbers there are?

[P.J.]

Anyone know who is FTAing this field? That's what I want to know

[Marjory Frosty]

I believe we have Jerry Budd, as of right now, they have moved FTA's after the fact before. Since we can't have Rob, he's a good one to have.

[dag0620]

I believe we have Jerry Budd, as of right now, they have moved FTA's after the fact before. Since we can't have Rob, he's a good one to have.

Having worked with Jerry before, I would be very happy if that stayed that way. He is a great FTA and runs a good show.

[Grim Tuesday]

How about MC/Announcing?

[JB987]

Having worked with Jerry before, I would be very happy if that stayed that way. He is a great FTA and runs a good show.

+1

[twetherbee]

Anyone know how many 30 point climbers there are?

I counted six from the "30 Pt Climb Club" thread: 254, 836, 1448, 1714, 2705, 3467.

And 1334.

[P.J.]

I believe we have Jerry Budd, as of right now, they have moved FTA's after the fact before. Since we can't have Rob, he's a good one to have.

You read my mind, I was wondering about Rob ;)

[twetherbee]

Wow...lots of good teams.....what FCS (full court shooters) do we have? 314,326,365,236,2137?

Don't forget 469, 987, and the very good 948 FCS.

[Link07]

33 + 836. The bee alliance

[Marjory Frosty]

You read my mind, I was wondering about Rob ;)

Curie gets to be that lucky!!!

[skupitup]

I counted six from the "30 Pt Climb Club" thread: 254, 836, 1448, 1714, 2705, 3467.

Dont forget 1334, we have a 15 second climb and dump with about 10 seconds for lineup with the new modifications that we have now made.

[Akash Rastogi]

Dont forget 1334, we have a 15 second climb and dump with about 10 seconds for lineup with the new modifications that we have now made.

And an overall excellent robot.

[twetherbee]

Dont forget 1334, we have a 15 second climb and dump with about 10 seconds for lineup with the new modifications that we have now made.

Sorry, I didn't see 1334 listed in the "30 Pt Climb Club" thread. Edited other post.

[Normtheman]

33 + 836. The bee alliance

OH MY GAWD! Imagine if that was our alliance... only a team with bee killer spray could beat us.

[Kevin Leonard]

OH MY GAWD! Imagine if that was our alliance... only a team with bee killer spray could beat us.

Now if only Buzz was in Archimedes...
:P

[Jim Zondag]

Comparing divisions, Archimedes looks like it will have the most competitive elims alliances......note the hump out to the 10th ranked team.
Looks like Newton has a pretty big gap to the other 3 divisions.
Still, lots of great teams in all 4 sections.
Should be great!

http://i.imgur.com/uLP09bU.jpg

[IKE]

My cursory alliance selection estimates had the top 4 alliances averaging over 200 points. Should be ridiculous.

[efoote868]

Comparing divisions, Archimedes looks like it will have the most competitive elims alliances......note the hump out to the 10th ranked team.
Looks like Newton has a pretty big gap to the other 3 divisions.
Still, lots of great teams in all 4 sections.
Should be great!

http://i.imgur.com/uLP09bU.jpg

Galileo looks like it's averaging the highest peak OPR for pretty much every team past #12. Not sure if it's enough to overcome the hump.

Interesting graph, thanks for posting.

[nikeairmancurry]

Wow...lots of good teams.....what FCS (full court shooters) do we have? 314,326,365,236,2137?

910 would be another..

[Nathan Streeter]

Wow...lots of good teams.....what FCS (full court shooters) do we have? 314,326,365,236,2137?

1519's also a full-court shooter. We've proven to be a reliable 2pt FCS (with only ~50% accuracy in 3pt goal) with a strong drivetrain for getting into and out of the feed corner.

Since North Carolina, we've been making a variety of improvements (that - in true MAYHEM fashion - we're still finishing) that should increase both our scoring potential and reliability/accuracy... Currently working on improving our climber, shooter accuracy into the 3pt goal, and flexibility of shooting positions.

Looking forward to playing with plenty of allies & friends while also making many more! Archimedes certainly looks to be a strong division, boasting one of the biggest top tiers (as Jim Zondag pointed out) and some of the finest multi-disc autos!

[stephenmcd71]

I counted six from the "30 Pt Climb Club" thread: 254, 836, 1448, 1714, 2705, 3467.

And 1334.

Team Hammond 71 joined the 30 pt Climb Club at Midwest.

[Coach Norm]

Wow...lots of good teams.....what FCS (full court shooters) do we have? 314,326,365,236,2137?

FRC 2468 Team Appreciate has been labeled the entire year as a FCS. We like to label ourselves as an All Court Shooter (2 or 3

We have definitely focused on the FCShot especially the 2pter at Hub City and Alamo although we did shoot some at the 3pter at Alamo.

We have been working on tweaking the 3pter as well as shooting from different locations to get these shots off.

Mobility has been important to our shooting all year rather than camp and shoot.

[BrendanB]

Wow this will be fun! Great to be playing with some old and hopefully new friends! 1519, 78, and 126 woot woot! :)

3467 is extremely excited to be playing in Archimedes and after a fun weekend at Pine Tree, we can't wait to get back on the field and up that pyramid with Skip5.3!!!

Funny how Archimedes is the division with the fastest 30 point climber on the East Coast (3467) 18secs* and the West Coast (254) 7secs!

*Still shaving away time before STL.

[sdcantrell56]

interesting division to say the least.

lots of MAR teams and lots of MSC teams and lots of West coast teams...

very well setup I believe as a division. It is a deep field.

Early tweaking on the following teams, 2 midline autonomous teams (987, 469) and 3 7 disc autonomous (2590, 254, 33) teams should provide for a very interesting setup.

Potentially having two alliances with a 15 disc autonomous.... which would creating an interesting battle for midline discs..

should be fun, should be interesting.

time to start tweaking our strategy for the division :).

We have done 7 frisbees in autonomous as well.

[Akash Rastogi]

We have done 7 frisbees in autonomous as well.

Excited to see you and 11 in the same division Sean.

[jblay]

This division's strategy is going to be very interesting, there is a large crop of top tier intake bots, probably going to see teams trying to setup 90 point auto alliances. It will be interested to see, given the top intake bots pair up, what they decide to go with for their final pick. A FCS to load them up with discs? A cycler, because there is a good crop of solid and consistent cyclers? Or perhaps one of the climbers that may even have a dump in their back pocket? Alliance selections are going to be very interesting and it looks like a lot of really good robots aren't going to be playing past lunch on Saturday, it is going to be a dog fight to scrap into the elimination rounds. I cannot wait.

[MDAWG25]

This division's strategy is going to be very interesting, there is a large crop of top tier intake bots, probably going to see teams trying to setup 90 point auto alliances. It will be interested to see, given the top intake bots pair up, what they decide to go with for their final pick. A FCS to load them up with discs? A cycler, because there is a good crop of solid and consistent cyclers? Or perhaps one of the climbers that may even have a dump in their back pocket? Alliance selections are going to be very interesting and it looks like a lot of really good robots aren't going to be playing past lunch on Saturday, it is going to be a dog fight to scrap into the elimination rounds. I cannot wait.

Couldn't have said it better.

[M.O'Reilly]

I haven't been to the CMP in about 5 years. Last time I came there were maybe 70 teams in each division. Because there are almost 100 per division, is it likely that a Cinderella team or two seeds in the top 8 due to match schedule? Has this been the case recently since the divisions became so inflated (discounting 2010, of course)?

My reasoning: only ~8-10 matches per team, means a maximum of 20 alliance partners and 30 opponents. This samples only 50% of the field, max. That is to say, with a favorable match schedule, there's hope for the little guy to make elims... even the rookies! Go underdogs!

[protoserge]

To quote tim-tim from earlier this season "THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME!"

Archimedes is going to be action packed.

[Domenic Rodriguez]

973 is hunting down high quality pictures for the division, we are missing the following teams;
...
316
...


Here's a link to a picture of Team 316's robot: http://i.imgur.com/Ym6OKHu.png

The LuNaTeCs are super excited to be going to the championship this year. It's been a while since we've earned ourselves a spot. Archimedes is going to be awesome indeed; can't wait! :D

[apples000]

30 pt climbers and dumpers:
236
1334
1448
1714

[Mr MOE]

This division's strategy is going to be very interesting, there is a large crop of top tier intake bots, probably going to see teams trying to setup 90 point auto alliances. It will be interested to see, given the top intake bots pair up, what they decide to go with for their final pick. A FCS to load them up with discs? A cycler, because there is a good crop of solid and consistent cyclers? Or perhaps one of the climbers that may even have a dump in their back pocket? Alliance selections are going to be very interesting and it looks like a lot of really good robots aren't going to be playing past lunch on Saturday, it is going to be a dog fight to scrap into the elimination rounds. I cannot wait.

MOE 365 :D has a few 5-disc auto routines going for the center discs. Looking to pair up with an "under the pyramid" 7-disc auto and a 3-disc sharpshooter to put up a cool 90 point auto.

Can't wait!

[stephenmcd71]

MOE 365 :D has a few 5-disc auto routines going for the center discs. Looking to pair up with an "under the pyramid" 7-disc auto and a 3-disc sharpshooter to put up a cool 90 point auto.

Can't wait!

sounds like 365,469, and anyone hopefully us would be a fun practice match

[beurwonderwall]

Hello all! I'm a student from team 2959, the CW Tech Robotarians. This is our first time attending Worlds and we're psyched to be in Archimedes with all these wonderful bots! We've met with some of the teams before and we're excited to meet with them again. We just wrote an app for data collection for an iPad that we've been using to take data at the Bedford competition and State. While it isn't perfect yet, we've been getting very accurate data from it. We were wondering if any teams would like to share, compare, or collaborate data with us. We've found the way to get the most accurate data is by sharing and comparing so we'd love to find some teams to pair up with for the critical data taking process.

[Sam390250]

Sorry for the slow turnaround, here is Team 930's robot. We changed our hanger design between Wisconsin and Crossroads, as well as adding a few more aesthetic touches ;]

http://d6673sr63mbv7.cloudfront.net/archive/x1340806805/g000258000000000000776c03ae4ff4e93aa61630f0d71253b 2f7e7707b.jpg

[CLandrum3081]

Hm, only one MN team on Archi out of 15 going to Champs. Good luck 2705!

[Ryan Burgett]

Team 3467 is curious if any teams would like to collaborate scouting, and share data, to lesson scouting for one singular team. This way everyone can enjoy championships and not spend hours of this life time opportunity scouting and going mad :P. If any team in Archimedes is interested please Private Message me.

Please and Thank you, and i can not wait to compete with every team in this division.

[Shu]

Team 3467 is curious if any teams would like to collaborate scouting, and share data, to lesson scouting for one singular team. This way everyone can enjoy championships and not spend hours of this life time opportunity scouting and going mad :P. If any team in Archimedes is interested please Private Message me.

Please and Thank you, and i can not wait to compete with every team in this division.

Ryan, please see this post. Team 2137 is also considering joining in on this effort.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=116249

[AdamHeard]

973 won't jump in on the collab'd scouting at event, but we'd love to share in the picture hunt.

We have 80+ teams already, probably 30-40 of which could be better quality. I'm leaving for a trip now, but our scouts will take over from here and post an updated list of teams soon. Maybe even dump the current pictures in a publically available spot for everyone.

[Akash Rastogi]

Maybe even dump the current pictures in a publically available spot for everyone.

That would be appreciated.

[jessss]

Hm, only one MN team on Archi out of 15 going to Champs. Good luck 2705!

Thank you! 2705 can't wait to play against teams we normally don't play with so we're excited!

[Billfred]

Got the email today, I'll be volunteering on Archimedes (where it all started for me ten seasons ago). Can't wait for next week!

[Fisher2486]

[QUOTE=jblay;1263540]First time in Archimedes, so excited.

Does anyone know who the regular MC and Game Announcer team are on Archimedes?

Here is a Google Doc for Pit Scouting every team in the division. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuF1A5cZW-3sdHg2cDA2M2htQWRrVFRjVkpFN2U5bXc#gid=5)
It's a collaboration effort so please put in any information you have, but only if you know it's correct.
Hopefully this will make pit scouting 102 teams a little easier.
If you have any suggested changes please email or PM me.

Amazing and this will honestly help alot of teams with not only pit scouting but with the Scouting Excel sheets all the head scouters are compiling this weekend.

[FIMAlumni]

469 just put out what i think is a 50 point climb and dump teaser... of king kong (https://twitter.com/frc469/status/325412313471528960/photo/1)

[twetherbee]

I am really looking forward to the Championship and the Archimedes Division this year.

There are so many great teams (more and more as I am doing my homework) in a very deep field, including an astounding seven former World Champs: 51, 71, 254, 365, 469, 973, and 987, two of the fastest climbers, several multi-disc autonomous machines, high scoring FCS's, and many of the best cycler teams in FIRST. It's going to be awesome and I can't wait to get to St. Louis.

I always enjoy the Championships to reconnect with old friends and make new ones. Archimedes has a number of familiar teams we are looking forward to seeing again including:

Former 987 CMP Alliance Partners:
Team 51 - Curie Division Champs, 2011
Team 71 - Galileo, 2009
Team 365 - Archimedes Division Finalists, 2008

Former 987 CMP Opponents:
Team 11 - Archimedes 2008
Team 33 - Newton 2007
Team 71 - Einstein 2007, Archimedes 2008, Curie 2011
Team 78 - Curie 2012
Team 254 - Curie 2012
Team 365 - Curie 2011
Team 525 - Curie 2012 (Thanks again for helping fix our intake after the Quarter Finals, true class)
Team 1902 - Einstein 2007, Galileo 2009
Team 2081 - Archimedes 2008

Former Regional Alliance Partners:
Team 254 - Winner San Diego Regional 2013, Winner San Diego Regional 2011
Team 846 - Semi Finalist, San Jose 2007
Team 973 - Finalists, Las Vegas Regional 2010
Team 3245 - Winner, Las Vegas Regional 2012

(If I missed anyone, I apologize in advance)

We've competed in the same event as 469 once at IRI in 2008, but we are looking forward to seeing this year's Michigan State Champ in action. I was glued to my computer last Saturday watching all of the great matches at MSC.

A few of the other teams I'm excited to see in person (other than 948 - who I saw in Ellensburg): 2590, 868, 20, 694, 1334, 316, 126, 2959.....(in no particular order and not a complete list yet by any means - I can only find and watch so much video in the last day or so)

Come by the High Roller's Pit in Archimedes and say hello if I don't wander by your pit first!!!

See you all in a few days, good luck, and safe travels.

Trent

Below are the links to the 987's Highlight videos from this year. Enjoy!

San Diego
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdr08DuuSk

Las Vegas
http://youtu.be/Nw3jZvXsgxM

[George1902]

I must say, I'm disappointed in Archimedes this year...

80 posts into the thread and I'm the first to say:

OINK, OINK!

[dodar]

I must say, I'm disappointed in Archimedes this year...

80 posts into the thread and I'm the first to say:

OINK, OINK!

People are saving their BOOM! for CMP. Dont worry, you'll hear it probably every match or two.

[Tom Ore]

Team 525 - Curie 2012 (Thanks again for helping fix our intake after the Quarter Finals, true class)

We do take great pride in our GP, but in this case I think we were the team that damaged your intake. We really felt bad about that...

2013 has been an unbelievable year for us. It started with Woody mentioning us for our GP at kickoff. Then two regional wins, our first RCA and our first Dean's list student. Now back to champs for the fourth year in a row - we've had a year full of good luck (I guess hard work helps too.)

[stephenmcd71]

Hmmm was just thinking and thought that it would be nice if there was not only a picture of every robot but also a link to a good quality video of the robot in action...I know the google docs scouting page had a few with videos but would be cool to see everyone post a video of there robot in action.... just my thoughts

[mrmummert]

Hello...

No sense trying to hide ours....theres video of it at Blue Alliance and pictures here already. No telling how we'll do with all the talent in this Division.

[CLandrum3081]

And good luck to 525 Swartdogs! Seeing you at Northern Lights and 10K was an experience to behold! An always impressive bot that can do the job. It was so much fun being on the same alliance in one match at 10K, and that first RCA was long-overdue. Best of luck. 3081 will be cheering you on from home :)

[MrJohnston]

Now that I have had time to really study our field, I'll share my thoughts - without, however, sharing team numbers. :)

Out of the 100 teams in Archimedes:
* 7 are really, really good - any one of them could be the #1 captain
* 16 others are really good and will be playing in eliminations - barring techinical problems.
* 27 will need divine intervention if they are going to chosen for alliances
* The other 50 will be desperately trying to separate themselves to take one of the two remaining slots.


Autonomous and Ground pickup:
* There are a lot of teams with good pickup systems - a lot. Those that are also consistent scorers (about 12) will make it into eliminations.
* Four or five teams in eliminations with have the capability of 90 pt autonomous routines - in an effort to separate themselves, several teams with pickups will add nifty auto routines to make this possible.
* In eliminations NOBODY will score 90 in autonomous because many cycler w/o pickup systems will develop auto routines that have them roll back and straddle the center disks, effectively blocking the other team from getting them.

Cyclers:
* There are a LOT of excellent cyclers. Those that cannot shoot full court or pick up disks will need to separate themslves somehow. There will be 20-30 good cyclers that do not make eliminations.
* In an effort to separate themselves, they will try all sorts of things such as establishing auto routines that will block the midline disks from the other team or developing defensive skills showing they can stop top bots.

FCS:
* This is the most shallow part of our talent pool - most of the good ones tend to spend most of their time cycling as they are short and easy to block from the protected feeder.
* Those who do will well need to hit 3's with 70% accuracy, be able to fire 40+ disks and can only be slowed by a designated blocker.
* Those that are top-heavy are going to have problems as they can expect a lot of contact en route to the feeder. Those who land on their backsides will not make eliminations.
* To be successfull, the FCS will have to have options should they face the dreaded "rookie with a pool noodle" defense.
* This really narrows the field to only two or three good pure FCS - all of which should make elims.

Climbers:
* There are a bunch of great climbers. however, the only ones who will make elims are those who can do so quickly. The others (even with a dump) take so long to do so that they will not bring enough value to their team. (Somebody will play defense against them for the first 30 second of the match and completely prevent them from being able to get up the pyramid. Those good ones also cycle. Most like the top cycler and/or pickup bot will one of the climbers.


Alliance captains will have some really tough decisions to make. A 72pt autonomous is a must. However, are they going to want one of the two or three good FCS? If the an alliance captain is a cycler w/o ground pick our FCS capabilities, this will create are real difficulty....

With 100 teams and (likely) about 10 qualification matches, I predict two undefeated teams - they could be any of those seven. The #1 captain will have a ground pickup as it will win the Autonmous tie breaker. The best FCS will be chosen with the first pick and, with the 24th overall the top alliance will choose the best cycler avialble - hopefully with ground pickup.


The winning alliance will have:
* At least one (prefereably 2) robots that can pick loose disks from teh ground. If only one, it will have a 7 disk auotonmomous and one other bot will have an auto routine that blocks the midline disks from the opposing alliance.
* A FCS that demands the full attention of the other team.
* A 30 pt climb (prefereably with a dump) by any robot.
* The ability to take all 51 disks from the feeder with less than three bots.

[XaulZan11]

The #1 captain will have a ground pickup as it will win the Autonmous tie breaker. The best FCS will be chosen with the first pick and, with the 24th overall the top alliance will choose the best cycler avialble - hopefully with ground pickup.

Could you expand on the best cycler available at 24? With a FCS that can shoot 40+ discs, what would the cycler do if they do not have a ground pickup?

Great information. I've focused most of my attention on Galileo so it is interesting to see how the divisions differ in style of play and composition.

[efoote868]

Could you expand on the best cycler available at 24? With a FCS that can shoot 40+ discs, what would the cycler do if they do not have a ground pickup?

Play defense. Part of the thing that makes the best cyclers is their driver's abilities. Playing "avoid the other robots" can be more difficult than "hassle the opposing robots"

[Divy V.]

254 has a accurate 6.4 second climb, and they are in Archimedes!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-IrVbsl_K8

[Jim Wilks]

Now that I have had time to really study our field, I'll share my thoughts - without, however, sharing team numbers. :)

Out of the 100 teams in Archimedes:
* 7 are really, really good - any one of them could be the #1 captain
* 16 others are really good and will be playing in eliminations - barring techinical problems.
* 27 will need divine intervention if they are going to chosen for alliances
* The other 50 will be desperately trying to separate themselves to take one of the two remaining slots.

Nice insight. I expect most reams know which group they are in. Clearly we will be seeing a lot of good matches as this plays out.

[Gregor]

Nice insight. I expect most reams know which group they are in. Clearly we will be seeing a lot of good matches as this plays out.

Funny you say that, because I'm having a hard time placing you. Are you really really good or just really good barring technical issues?

[Jim Wilks]

Funny you say that, because I'm having a hard time placing you. Are you really really good or just really good barring technical issues?

We certainly don't ever consider ourselves really really good. We have had a bit of good luck this season, but luck comes and goes...

[EricDrost]

Funny you say that, because I'm having a hard time placing you. Are you really really good or just really good barring technical issues?

I agree - I placed the top six fairly easily but can't definitively draw a line at 7. There are a handful of teams (1334 included) that could absolutely be in the first group, but I can't make a strong enough distinction between who is better to warrant making the cut-off the 7th team.

[MrJohnston]

Play defense. Part of the thing that makes the best cyclers is their driver's abilities. Playing "avoid the other robots" can be more difficult than "hassle the opposing robots"


Exactly. Plus, should the opposing team throw up a tall pool-noodle robot, the cycler could start running cycles while the FCS plays defense- thus the importance of not being too top-heavy. Mr. Pool Noodle will be left inept, unable to play offense effectively making it a 3 on 2 game for the the team employing the FCS.

[XaulZan11]

Play defense. Part of the thing that makes the best cyclers is their driver's abilities. Playing "avoid the other robots" can be more difficult than "hassle the opposing robots"

I agree that looking at cyclers is a good place to start to find defense, but there are many very good cyclers (4+ cycles) that would be pretty bad at defense.

[the.miler]

In addition to our shooting game, no ceilings can hold us now! Team 846 has gotten the climb working, and we are continuing to work right now to shave precious seconds off it.

http://i.imgur.com/L8v46Hhl.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ls-stEVTN8

The next step is the same geometry, but we're not climbing for 30 on that test pyramid. We'll see what we can do on the field :)

Look out for our flashlight, improved shooting, floor pickup, and climbing game on the Archimedes field!

[Joe Ross]

I used the preliminary match schedules to simulate the matches using OPR and then calculate the standings. I used each team's best OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet for calculating their contribution to a match. I also used each team's world Auto, Teleop, and Climb OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet for calculating the rest of the standings.

Rank Team Wins Losses Ties Matches QP AP TP CP
1 3314 8 0 0 8 16 274 418 163
2 11 8 0 0 8 16 267 510 159
3 33 7 1 0 8 14 380 485 203
4 469 7 1 0 8 14 315 576 163
5 948 7 1 0 8 14 283 675 104
6 987 7 1 0 8 14 272 577 220
7 1334 7 1 0 8 14 271 438 163
8 316 7 1 0 8 14 267 402 172
9 126 7 1 0 8 14 248 510 113
10 701 7 1 0 8 14 244 445 160
11 3310 7 1 0 8 14 241 363 114
12 1100 7 1 0 8 14 233 425 210
13 254 6 2 0 8 12 323 365 236
14 2959 6 2 0 8 12 285 451 174
15 2468 6 2 0 8 12 273 379 82
16 2165 6 2 0 8 12 272 348 168
17 2486 6 2 0 8 12 268 300 184
18 20 6 2 0 8 12 264 563 149
19 3467 6 2 0 8 12 257 381 266
20 4450 6 2 0 8 12 256 296 220
21 1519 6 2 0 8 12 234 474 115
22 2137 6 2 0 8 12 229 391 130
23 955 6 2 0 8 12 208 475 207
24 1836 6 2 0 8 12 196 315 152
25 868 5 3 0 8 10 317 566 183
26 2590 5 3 0 8 10 315 395 178
27 365 5 3 0 8 10 281 375 111
28 314 5 3 0 8 10 279 466 128
29 836 5 3 0 8 10 258 311 201
30 71 5 3 0 8 10 258 306 227
31 2415 5 3 0 8 10 254 492 140
32 4265 5 3 0 8 10 243 439 156
33 4753 5 3 0 8 10 228 266 136
34 694 5 3 0 8 10 225 456 201
35 2016 5 3 0 8 10 218 372 104
36 4067 5 3 0 8 10 208 280 81
37 236 5 3 0 8 10 204 273 264
38 1868 5 3 0 8 10 202 334 132
39 1902 5 3 0 8 10 180 361 171
40 2543 4 4 0 8 8 297 401 141
41 930 4 4 0 8 8 270 433 152
42 51 4 4 0 8 8 265 447 153
43 1660 4 4 0 8 8 263 287 115
44 3145 4 4 0 8 8 242 348 193
45 973 4 4 0 8 8 229 360 145
46 3003 4 4 0 8 8 222 312 181
47 840 4 4 0 8 8 219 353 143
48 1967 4 4 0 8 8 214 294 145
49 1011 4 4 0 8 8 211 212 179
50 2705 4 4 0 8 8 208 207 256
51 3612 4 4 0 8 8 206 287 133
52 3242 4 4 0 8 8 203 425 78
53 1071 4 4 0 8 8 194 280 132
54 4585 4 4 0 8 8 192 320 131
55 4501 4 4 0 8 8 179 227 187
56 4545 4 4 0 8 8 162 321 131
57 1714 4 4 0 8 8 148 225 205
58 3008 4 4 0 8 8 148 224 92
59 326 3 5 0 8 6 253 332 141
60 1756 3 5 0 8 6 244 281 128
61 172 3 5 0 8 6 235 285 139
62 801 3 5 0 8 6 233 285 170
63 525 3 5 0 8 6 218 331 135
64 3245 3 5 0 8 6 218 295 122
65 1448 3 5 0 8 6 212 265 239
66 4637 3 5 0 8 6 201 269 138
67 379 3 5 0 8 6 196 294 130
68 4471 3 5 0 8 6 196 225 169
69 910 3 5 0 8 6 195 271 91
70 1796 3 5 0 8 6 193 283 150
71 1075 3 5 0 8 6 187 245 138
72 2614 3 5 0 8 6 180 335 126
73 4673 3 5 0 8 6 180 306 142
74 3478 3 5 0 8 6 172 177 100
75 4589 3 5 0 8 6 154 246 118
76 846 2 6 0 8 4 276 446 126
77 4466 2 6 0 8 4 248 366 167
78 2704 2 6 0 8 4 242 235 112
79 2709 2 6 0 8 4 201 314 128
80 3044 2 6 0 8 4 198 238 107
81 78 2 6 0 8 4 196 312 140
82 1595 2 6 0 8 4 193 316 106
83 2408 2 6 0 8 4 181 255 150
84 321 2 6 0 8 4 179 157 141
85 4499 2 6 0 8 4 171 206 174
86 433 2 6 0 8 4 148 282 124
87 639 2 6 0 8 4 148 203 156
88 812 2 6 0 8 4 146 273 141
89 4470 2 6 0 8 4 144 242 128
90 291 2 6 0 8 4 142 295 176
91 4537 2 6 0 8 4 138 290 81
92 2081 1 7 0 8 2 277 285 165
93 2457 1 7 0 8 2 210 308 55
94 2604 1 7 0 8 2 205 230 131
95 3627 1 7 0 8 2 190 219 185
96 4810 1 7 0 8 2 182 308 114
97 3504 1 7 0 8 2 182 164 109
98 1610 1 7 0 8 2 166 275 118
99 4731 1 7 0 8 2 144 226 85
100 1747 0 8 0 8 0 181 150 82

Here are the results from the individual matches


Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 RScore BScore
1 2604 2959 78 1714 1747 3504 108 47
2 2486 51 987 4466 4471 1011 170 67
3 801 236 3145 910 3044 1610 131 77
4 4589 1902 4545 4731 2408 4470 55 36
5 1660 836 1519 846 694 3242 126 118
6 2704 3314 1334 379 3612 2415 128 103
7 4585 2457 2137 701 3245 525 80 136
8 1071 433 4673 4499 973 1796 52 107
9 316 1836 3310 2016 71 4067 143 128
10 11 3008 469 4810 3627 4537 158 49
11 326 3467 3003 2081 2468 948 155 117
12 172 930 20 2709 2590 365 139 134
13 1595 840 955 868 2543 4637 122 121
14 33 291 2705 1868 812 639 136 65
15 321 1967 2614 4450 2165 126 73 148
16 1448 4265 1100 314 254 1075 113 141
17 1756 3478 1747 4501 4753 1902 55 97
18 3627 4499 2408 701 987 236 63 195
19 3145 948 469 1519 3310 3245 199 162
20 2137 4471 2959 365 694 4810 123 118
21 1334 3044 2468 51 4673 20 121 114
22 2415 3242 11 78 4466 812 125 74
23 910 3467 639 379 836 316 132 137
24 2081 254 868 291 433 2614 162 79
25 321 2486 1868 1075 930 4589 70 63
26 3478 172 3504 4450 2705 1100 41 108
27 4265 846 1714 3612 2016 1610 122 91
28 4585 126 4537 4637 1071 4731 89 51
29 973 3314 4545 3008 3003 4501 104 78
30 314 2165 4753 801 1595 1836 113 103
31 2590 71 1011 2543 1756 2457 149 82
32 4470 2604 955 1796 1967 2709 69 73
33 33 1448 1660 525 2704 840 120 97
34 4067 3504 254 326 2408 2415 116 109
35 3044 316 2614 987 1868 1100 118 151
36 930 51 1610 433 694 11 121 131
37 812 1519 4673 321 3314 2137 75 106
38 846 3145 4537 4501 1836 2486 76 94
39 973 2543 365 78 2081 801 126 94
40 71 1071 4471 20 3478 4265 89 120
41 2165 172 4470 1747 1660 4499 85 63
42 2705 4810 2709 1902 126 314 77 173
43 3003 1448 955 4466 701 1334 102 155
44 1011 639 525 326 2604 3627 101 84
45 2468 4589 4753 2016 3008 840 53 88
46 236 4585 2959 868 3242 948 119 178
47 291 1756 3310 4545 379 1595 121 83
48 1075 4637 3245 1967 910 4067 60 93
49 4450 2590 2704 836 1714 1796 121 95
50 4731 2457 469 3467 3612 33 117 166
51 2415 126 20 701 846 973 176 149
52 2081 4466 1071 2408 3314 316 69 124
53 314 3504 365 11 2468 1868 100 119
54 433 3008 801 2705 1011 4585 71 75
55 2016 51 2137 2604 1756 3145 145 82
56 1100 948 2543 1334 291 4589 142 96
57 4637 3310 2614 4501 2704 1610 117 79
58 525 3242 4537 1714 4753 955 76 90
59 2457 4471 2165 1519 3044 868 73 162
60 3612 4810 987 1448 3478 321 127 29
61 71 4673 3245 78 4731 172 86 81
62 379 3627 1902 1967 33 2959 110 157
63 910 1796 1595 2486 1660 254 96 136
64 469 2709 3003 840 4499 639 140 90
65 236 1075 4470 4450 694 1836 73 105
66 836 326 1747 4265 930 4545 100 104
67 4067 812 3008 3467 2590 955 51 199
68 11 3314 20 291 1714 987 166 134
69 3478 433 4537 316 365 2415 26 141
70 4466 2016 948 1902 3504 4673 148 54
71 2614 910 1011 33 2468 3242 92 131
72 846 379 314 71 4585 469 136 149
73 1756 4450 1334 1868 3245 1610 135 91
74 4501 2705 2408 1796 1448 3044 98 72
75 78 2709 1075 836 4753 3612 65 70
76 1595 4499 4265 525 2959 4731 113 111
77 1747 2457 2704 4067 639 4589 45 75
78 1660 3003 3627 2137 930 3310 82 162
79 694 1967 2543 3467 3145 254 111 179
80 801 4545 868 126 51 172 128 156
81 2590 2604 4810 2165 973 236 114 151
82 321 1836 326 1071 840 1100 75 104
83 2081 2486 4637 4470 1519 701 59 127
84 4471 433 1595 812 836 469 67 134
85 4501 1011 4731 1868 948 4067 70 141
86 1714 3044 3008 1075 2137 3478 54 70
87 1448 4753 2415 2614 2959 4673 76 101
88 846 51 4499 3314 3467 4450 108 149
89 801 1660 2468 4537 4265 2709 104 75
90 4589 4466 2604 3245 1836 379 50 98
91 321 2705 254 4637 1334 2016 121 125
92 910 365 126 3627 71 2704 144 82
93 525 4470 973 4471 11 1100 107 109
94 694 955 987 2165 1756 2081 188 90
95 2486 1902 236 291 3003 2457 134 71
96 3612 172 639 1071 3242 3145 84 86
97 2408 78 930 314 33 868 102 206
98 1519 840 1967 2590 1747 4585 129 104
99 1796 701 316 4545 1610 3504 146 37
100 20 4810 812 326 3310 2543 89 142
101 4466 2709 2137 4637 1100 3467 98 123
102 4501 4450 4471 955 4673 254 80 127
103 836 2415 948 321 801 1756 152 88
104 3003 71 987 4470 2705 4537 167 53
105 868 3314 365 1075 639 1660 166 70
106 973 3242 4067 1448 930 469 117 156
107 316 846 2468 172 2604 2457 129 64
108 1071 78 1519 2704 4810 1011 131 59
109 1334 33 694 1595 326 4585 197 94
110 4265 2081 3145 11 2590 4589 98 143
111 1836 4731 1610 1967 3478 291 59 51
112 2543 126 525 1747 433 236 150 87
113 701 2165 1714 812 1902 51 127 99
114 379 4499 3504 2486 4753 20 68 112
115 840 1796 3245 3627 314 2614 104 116
116 1868 910 2408 3612 3008 3310 76 90
117 3044 2016 2704 2959 4545 469 76 152
118 4810 4470 3242 4265 2457 3314 54 118
119 4501 2468 1100 639 78 1967 106 96
120 2543 33 1610 1075 2415 987 133 140
121 4067 1756 11 4673 2705 868 133 124
122 3504 930 3467 2165 1334 1071 121 142
123 2486 3627 172 433 955 948 92 141
124 836 840 2081 20 2137 4537 84 120
125 1747 321 4731 3008 365 379 31 92
126 4585 3310 1902 2604 4499 3044 119 55
127 314 4589 525 3003 910 51 106 110
128 3612 126 1796 2959 326 1519 125 168
129 812 71 694 2408 973 4753 107 89
130 4545 1660 3245 236 1714 4471 64 93
131 801 2590 1868 846 254 4466 152 143
132 701 2016 3478 1595 2614 2709 102 90
133 3145 4450 291 1448 1011 316 83 102
134 4637 3044 930 1836 987 433 77 125


4 matches are predicted to be over 300 combined
Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 RScore BScore
19 3145 948 469 1519 3310 3245 199 162
51 2415 126 20 701 846 973 176 149
97 2408 78 930 314 33 868 102 206
68 11 3314 20 291 1714 987 166 134


Here are the highest scoring close matches

Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 RScore BScore
131 801 2590 1868 846 254 4466 152 143
12 172 930 20 2709 2590 365 139 134
120 2543 33 1610 1075 2415 987 133 140
23 910 3467 639 379 836 316 132 137
121 4067 1756 11 4673 2705 868 133 124
36 930 51 1610 433 694 11 121 131


Don't like the predictions? Go out and prove them wrong :)

[efoote868]

Thanks, I'm hoping your predictions are wrong :D .

Anyone want to guess the % of correct predictions at the end? I'm going to say it'll be about 65%.

[nikeairmancurry]

I'll go about 81% correct. OPR calculations hover around that number.

[Grim Tuesday]

I'll go about 81% correct. OPR calculations hover around that number.

OPR predictions are generally 81% correct within an event. With the number of improvements teams make between the regional and championship, I think it will sway close matches significantly.

Also, if 3314 seeds first, prepare yourselves for some scorched earth.

[EricDrost]

Also, if 3314 seeds first, prepare yourselves for some scorched earth.

I'd expect scorching from any team (barring maybe 868 and 126) that seeds first and doesn't have a >3 disc auton.

[Link07]

I'd expect scorching from any team (barring maybe 868 and 126) that seeds first and doesn't have a >3 disc auton.

Inb4 11 and 3314 actually DO go 8-0

[EricDrost]

Inb4 11 and 3314 actually DO go 8-0

I highly doubt either of us will go 8-0. I see 33 and 469 having the best chance at 1st seed.

[JohnSchneider]

I'd expect scorching from any team (barring maybe 868 and 126) that seeds first and doesn't have a >3 disc auton.

Scorching would make this division VERY interesting.

[M.O'Reilly]

Unfortunately, I think performance this year depends greatly on match schedule (more so than years past).

3314 is a great shooter. The won the Bridgewater district as the #1 seed, but then they were on the outside of elims at MARC for who knows what reason. I can't explain that, except for poor luck of the draw at MARC.

Drawing from MARC, alliances that succeeded in elims did not focus on defense whatsoever. The only dedicated defenders were to block full court shooters, and it was extremely effective. I think an FCS that can't get under the pyramid even making elims is far fetched. It's too easy to stop.

If I had a 3 disc autonomous mode, I wouldn't trade it to stop the opposing alliance from getting an extra two discs on the center line. Perhaps after you shoot, but certainly not before.

[Tom Ore]

A journalism student traveled with our team to the 10,000 Lakes regional. Here is the video she made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYHmgSzLcHU

[Link07]

Unfortunately, I think performance this year depends greatly on match schedule (more so than years past).

3314 is a great shooter. The won the Bridgewater district as the #1 seed, but then they were on the outside of elims at MARC for who knows what reason. I can't explain that, except for poor luck of the draw at MARC.



Not to take anything away from them(they did almost win two events), but 3314 also had a fairly easy schedule at Bridgewater, IIRC.

[k20002222]

Unfortunately, I think performance this year depends greatly on match schedule (more so than years past).

3314 is a great shooter. The won the Bridgewater district as the #1 seed, but then they were on the outside of elims at MARC for who knows what reason. I can't explain that, except for poor luck of the draw at MARC.

Drawing from MARC, alliances that succeeded in elims did not focus on defense whatsoever. The only dedicated defenders were to block full court shooters, and it was extremely effective. I think an FCS that can't get under the pyramid even making elims is far fetched. It's too easy to stop.

If I had a 3 disc autonomous mode, I wouldn't trade it to stop the opposing alliance from getting an extra two discs on the center line. Perhaps after you shoot, but certainly not before.
...

[Chris Hibner]

OPR predictions are generally 81% correct within an event. With the number of improvements teams make between the regional and championship, I think it will sway close matches significantly.

Using OPR from each team's best district event, OPR predictions were 82.4% accurate for MSC.

I think it will probably be right around 80% for CMP as well.

[efoote868]

I'll go about 81% correct. OPR calculations hover around that number.

As pointed out earlier that's within an event, using all match data to recalculate and fit what would've happened if OPR was 100% accurate.

Also, I would like to point out that OPR predictions using Friday's match data to predict Saturday performance at Crossroads was 16 for 24 (or 25 if you count ties being wrong), and Crossroads had a significantly higher average OPR than most other regional competitions, similar to what Archimedes is predicted to have.

[M.O'Reilly]

Not to take anything away from them(they did almost win two events), but 3314 also had a fairly easy schedule at Bridgewater, IIRC.

That may be, but I think it speaks volumes about the style of game this year. With 100 teams and 8 matches it's going to be a dog fight to get in the top8, and EVERY autonomous shot matters. The 6-7 fantastic robots you see in this division may not have their fate in their own hands; that's up to the match schedule gods.

[stephenmcd71]

Anyone want to guess the % of correct predictions at the end? I'm going to say it'll be about 65%.

Im hoping there wrong too.. and I would say around 75%

[Kevin Leonard]

This division just got WAY less predictable. I think if a non-favorite team seeds first (i.e. 3314 or 11 like the spreadsheet says) the field becomes wide open for some very interesting alliance selections. I expect multiple declines and potentially some powerful low seed alliances.

[brennonbrimhall]

I used the preliminary match schedules to simulate the matches using OPR and then calculate the standings. I used each team's best OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet for calculating their contribution to a match. I also used each team's world Auto, Teleop, and Climb OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet for calculating the rest of the standings.

Don't like the predictions? Go out and prove them wrong :)

Is there a particular reason you used OPR and not CCWM?

[stephenmcd71]

With the preliminary schedule and the results that came with that I think every division is gonna have a fun, exciting, and down to the wire finals. I wish everyone good luck and safe travels on there way to St. Louis

[Joe Ross]

Is there a particular reason you used OPR and not CCWM?

I wanted match scores that could be used to calculate reasonable rankings. Since CCWM is related to winning margin and not match scores, it wouldn't have been as useful. I've seen lots of people look at the accuracy of OPR predictions, but haven't for CCWM predictions. If someone has data that shows that CCWM predictions are more accurate, I might consider doing it for next year.

A slightly better way to get match scores would have been to add the alliance's OPRs and subtract their opponents DPRs, but that's a lot more work.

[cmrnpizzo14]

In addition to our shooting game, no ceilings can hold us now! Team 846 has gotten the climb working, and we are continuing to work right now to shave precious seconds off it.

http://i.imgur.com/L8v46Hhl.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ls-stEVTN8

The next step is the same geometry, but we're not climbing for 30 on that test pyramid. We'll see what we can do on the field :)

Look out for our flashlight, improved shooting, floor pickup, and climbing game on the Archimedes field!


3173 will be keeping an eye on you guys at our end of season party this week!! Good luck to our captains from Boston, we hope that you guys have better luck at this competition!

Also, we felt bad that you did not have enough buttons to give you guys at the end of Boston, if you can tell us a way to send them to you we could mail them or something before CMP. And our head programmer picked you guys in our Fantasy FIRST draft last night ;)

[Allen B.]

973 won't jump in on the collab'd scouting at event, but we'd love to share in the picture hunt.

We have 80+ teams already, probably 30-40 of which could be better quality. I'm leaving for a trip now, but our scouts will take over from here and post an updated list of teams soon. Maybe even dump the current pictures in a publically available spot for everyone.


Here (http://googledrive.com/host/0B5ITKE6yoq7Bb2NCSnpFaVIwY2s/) is a link to 973's collection of pictures; We are still looking for a few more.

[JohnSchneider]

Here (http://googledrive.com/host/0B5ITKE6yoq7Bb2NCSnpFaVIwY2s/) is a link to 973's collection of pictures; We are still looking for a few more.

Thanks a bunch for this.

Is there any way to put it in numerical order :o its a bit hard to use currently :(

[Allen B.]

Thanks a bunch for this.

Is there any way to put it in numerical order :o its a bit hard to use currently :(

We've had some fun with that as well.. unfortunately the pictures have to be saved with the team number as the file name for our system. They are ordered by google drive numerically but strangely not sequentially. So as you look for teams they will be grouped together by numbers from left to right. Hope that helps

[Kevin Leonard]

3478's picture is of their last year's robot.
And you can just Ctrl+F to find the team you want to find.

EDIT: There's also no picture of 3314

[Ken Streeter]

Here (http://googledrive.com/host/0B5ITKE6yoq7Bb2NCSnpFaVIwY2s/) is a link to 973's collection of pictures; We are still looking for a few more.

Attached is a little better photo of 1519's robot as of the North Carolina Regional.

However, our robot, "Discobolus Rex," will hopefully look fairly different by Thursday at CMP. Using 27.0 pounds of our 30.0 pound fabricated parts allowance, we have a lot planned for Wednesday night in order to hopefully increase our OPR from the 64.1 we achieved at NCR to even more at CMP...

By an hour after the pits open on Wednesday night, we hope to have reduced the robot we pull out of the bag to nothing but a drive base! Then, we plan to mount a whole new upper frame with a revised more-accurate shooter. We'll then disassemble the old 30-point climber (we never actually managed to get above the 10-point level in a competition match, although we had it mostly working with essential human assistance on the practice field) and re-assemble it in a different configuration and a new movable carriage to re-make it into a 10-point quick-hanger. We'll also move the battery from the front of the robot to the back and accordingly move the main breaker.

We'll try to remember to get photos at opportune times -- looks like it will be a busy night!

[Ken Streeter]

We've had some fun with that as well.. unfortunately the pictures have to be saved with the team number as the file name for our system. They are ordered by google drive numerically but strangely not sequentially. So as you look for teams they will be grouped together by numbers from left to right. Hope that helps

If you change the filenames of short-numbered teams to use leading zeros so that all numbers have four digits, you may able to fix that. (e.g. 0011.jpg or 0126.jpg)

[Allen B.]

Thanks for the responses. We are still looking for 13 pictures:
321
433
1448
1660
1756
2081
2408
2457
3008
3314
3478
4067
4553
If anyone finds any other teams with outdated/incorrect pictures, please let us know and we will try to get it updated. If there are better pictures out there send us a link and we'll get them in.

[Akash Rastogi]

Thanks for the responses. We are still looking for 13 pictures:
321
433
1448
1660
1756
2081
2408
2457
3008
3314
3478
4067
4553
If anyone finds any other teams with outdated/incorrect pictures, please let us know and we will try to get it updated. If there are better pictures out there send us a link and we'll get them in.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1264989&postcount=8

[Adamc4]

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty excited for Match 19... :D so many good teams around, it's a great experience for our North Idaho team

[AdamHeard]

If you change the filenames of short-numbered teams to use leading zeros so that all numbers have four digits, you may able to fix that. (e.g. 0011.jpg or 0126.jpg)

The leading zero problem doesn't affect our scouting system at all. We pull pics by function of team #, and the team's are numbered in our system w/o leading zeroes obviously. If we changed to leading zero, we'd have to also change this logic.

So, sorry guys; No renumbering in our gdoc folder, but feel free to take the pics and do whatever you want with them.

[tim-tim]

I have attached a better picture of 836 to this post.

Note that we are using some of our 30lb allowance to rework the shooter to prevent the jamming issue that plagued us for so long.

Can't wait to see all the robots.

[Jimmy Cao]

Seeing http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1266808&postcount=136 made me curious who had the "easy" or "hard" schedules in Archimedes. Using the same analysis method, with one minor change*, I generated the following list:


Team Difficulty Rank
3627 -51 1
4810 39 2
1756 74 3
1610 79 4
1595 81 5
1747 125 6
2457 132 7
3504 146 8
2614 156 9
801 165 10
639 200 11
4499 201 12
4265 206 13
2590 208 14
172 234 15
2705 238 16
326 247 17
930 249 18
469 249 18
4466 251 20
78 253 21
433 270 22
2081 272 23
4501 274 24
2604 278 25
1660 285 26
20 288 27
1011 293 28
4471 298 29
254 299 30
812 305 31
1334 307 32
4537 313 33
379 320 34
291 326 35
71 330 36
3003 332 37
2165 334 38
4067 336 39
973 348 40
2704 349 41
1448 352 42
321 358 43
2408 358 43
4731 373 45
3044 376 46
3478 385 47
846 387 48
3245 388 49
910 389 50
2137 391 51
3145 395 52
840 399 53
525 404 54
1071 408 55
51 409 56
694 424 57
2959 425 58
868 429 59
1714 431 60
2709 436 61
3467 450 62
314 451 63
1967 455 64
236 455 64
2016 455 64
1902 456 67
1796 465 68
1075 467 69
1519 470 70
1868 472 71
948 473 72
126 477 73
11 482 74
836 484 75
4637 498 76
4585 503 77
3310 508 78
2468 529 79
3242 543 80
4470 547 81
33 567 82
4673 581 83
2486 584 84
2415 584 84
955 597 86
1100 610 87
4545 622 88
4589 648 89
3612 656 90
987 668 91
4753 675 92
316 691 93
1836 713 94
4450 737 95
701 755 96
3008 773 97
365 776 98
3314 787 99


*Instead of ranking teams by OPR 1-99, I ranked them by OPR if the team itself was removed from the division 1-98. I think this prevents the average result of a large number of samples from breaking down into a strictly OPR based list.

In no way do I think this is a very good way of ranking match difficulties, but it was rather easy to do.

[Grim Tuesday]

Well I'm glad we have the, uh, honor of having the 11th most difficult schedule in the division. Let's hope the scouts are watching closely!

[dodar]

Seeing http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1266808&postcount=136 made me curious who had the "easy" or "hard" schedules in Archimedes. Using the same analysis method, with one minor change*, I generated the following list:


Team Difficulty Rank
3627 -51 1
4810 39 2
1756 74 3
1610 79 4
1595 81 5
1747 125 6
2457 132 7
3504 146 8
2614 156 9
801 165 10
639 200 11
4499 201 12
4265 206 13
2590 208 14
172 234 15
2705 238 16
326 247 17
930 249 18
469 249 18
4466 251 20
78 253 21
433 270 22
2081 272 23
4501 274 24
2604 278 25
1660 285 26
20 288 27
1011 293 28
4471 298 29
254 299 30
812 305 31
1334 307 32
4537 313 33
379 320 34
291 326 35
71 330 36
3003 332 37
2165 334 38
4067 336 39
973 348 40
2704 349 41
1448 352 42
321 358 43
2408 358 43
4731 373 45
3044 376 46
3478 385 47
846 387 48
3245 388 49
910 389 50
2137 391 51
3145 395 52
840 399 53
525 404 54
1071 408 55
51 409 56
694 424 57
2959 425 58
868 429 59
1714 431 60
2709 436 61
3467 450 62
314 451 63
1967 455 64
236 455 64
2016 455 64
1902 456 67
1796 465 68
1075 467 69
1519 470 70
1868 472 71
948 473 72
126 477 73
11 482 74
836 484 75
4637 498 76
4585 503 77
3310 508 78
2468 529 79
3242 543 80
4470 547 81
33 567 82
4673 581 83
2486 584 84
2415 584 84
955 597 86
1100 610 87
4545 622 88
4589 648 89
3612 656 90
987 668 91
4753 675 92
316 691 93
1836 713 94
4450 737 95
701 755 96
3008 773 97
365 776 98
3314 787 99


*Instead of ranking teams by OPR 1-99, I ranked them by OPR if the team itself was removed from the division 1-98. I think this prevents the average result of a large number of samples from breaking down into a strictly OPR based list.

In no way do I think this is a very good way of ranking match difficulties, but it was rather easy to do.

So the lower the number, the tougher the division schedule becomes? I am kind of confused to what you actually did.

[efoote868]

So the lower the number, the tougher the division schedule becomes? I am kind of confused to what you actually did.

If I understand the original model,

For each team
For each match
Add opponents ranks to current team's difficulty of schedule
Subtract alliance ranks from current team's difficulty of schedule

Rank team's difficulty of schedule in ascending order.

In this model,

For each team
Rerank teams without current team
For each match
Add opponents ranks to current team's difficulty of schedule
Subtract alliance ranks from current team's difficulty of schedule

Rank team's difficulty of schedule in ascending order.

[dodar]

If I understand the original model,

For each team
For each match
Add opponents ranks to current team's difficulty of schedule
Subtract alliance ranks from current team's difficulty of schedule

Rank team's difficulty of schedule in ascending order.

In this model,

For each team
Rerank teams without current team
For each match
Add opponents ranks to current team's difficulty of schedule
Subtract alliance ranks from current team's difficulty of schedule

Rank team's difficulty of schedule in ascending order.


So the lower the number means that team has a higher SOS?

[efoote868]

Yes.

[Jimmy Cao]

If I understand the original model,

For each team
For each match
Add opponents ranks to current team's difficulty of schedule
Subtract alliance ranks from current team's difficulty of schedule

Rank team's difficulty of schedule in ascending order.

In this model,

For each team
Rerank teams without current team
For each match
Add opponents ranks to current team's difficulty of schedule
Subtract alliance ranks from current team's difficulty of schedule

Rank team's difficulty of schedule in ascending order.


Yes, this is correct. However it's still important to realize that this approach has numerous shortcomings.

As an extreme, place the #1, 2, and 3 teams against #97, 98, 99.
The #1, 2, 3 teams would each get a huge boost to their result, making it seem like an easier schedule, whereas #97, 98, and 99 seem to have very hard schedules. But this is only for 1 match, and this 1 match will have a disproportional impact on the final ranking (it might account for well over half the "points", while it only accounts for 1/12 of the final seeding).

[The Lucas]

Seeinghttp://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1266808&postcount=136 made me curious who had the "easy" or "hard" schedules in Archimedes. Using the same analysis method, with one minor change*, I generated the following list:


Team Difficulty Rank
3627 -51 1
4810 39 2
1756 74 3
1610 79 4
1595 81 5
1747 125 6
2457 132 7
3504 146 8
2614 156 9
801 165 10
639 200 11
4499 201 12
4265 206 13
2590 208 14
172 234 15
2705 238 16
326 247 17
930 249 18
469 249 18
4466 251 20
78 253 21
433 270 22
2081 272 23
4501 274 24
2604 278 25
1660 285 26
20 288 27
1011 293 28
4471 298 29
254 299 30
812 305 31
1334 307 32
4537 313 33
379 320 34
291 326 35
71 330 36
3003 332 37
2165 334 38
4067 336 39
973 348 40
2704 349 41
1448 352 42
321 358 43
2408 358 43
4731 373 45
3044 376 46
3478 385 47
846 387 48
3245 388 49
910 389 50
2137 391 51
3145 395 52
840 399 53
525 404 54
1071 408 55
51 409 56
694 424 57
2959 425 58
868 429 59
1714 431 60
2709 436 61
3467 450 62
314 451 63
1967 455 64
236 455 64
2016 455 64
1902 456 67
1796 465 68
1075 467 69
1519 470 70
1868 472 71
948 473 72
126 477 73
11 482 74
836 484 75
4637 498 76
4585 503 77
3310 508 78
2468 529 79
3242 543 80
4470 547 81
33 567 82
4673 581 83
2486 584 84
2415 584 84
955 597 86
1100 610 87
4545 622 88
4589 648 89
3612 656 90
987 668 91
4753 675 92
316 691 93
1836 713 94
4450 737 95
701 755 96
3008 773 97
365 776 98
3314 787 99


*Instead of ranking teams by OPR 1-99, I ranked them by OPR if the team itself was removed from the division 1-98. I think this prevents the average result of a large number of samples from breaking down into a strictly OPR based list.

In no way do I think this is a very good way of ranking match difficulties, but it was rather easy to do.

Did you remove surrogate matches from your calculations?
If not I think you need to remove the third match of 433, 930, 987, & 3044

[Jimmy Cao]

Did you remove surrogate matches from your calculations?
If not I think you need to remove the third match of 433, 930, 987, & 3044

I forgot about those. Corrected results are below, after removing those 4 surrogate matches. As before, lower number in "difficulty" column = harder schedule.


Team Difficulty Rank
3627 -51 1
4810 39 2
1756 74 3
1610 79 4
1595 81 5
1747 125 6
2457 132 7
3504 146 8
2614 156 9
801 165 10
433 187 11
639 200 12
4499 201 13
4265 206 14
2590 208 15
930 222 16
172 234 17
2705 238 18
326 247 19
469 249 20
4466 251 21
78 253 22
2081 272 23
4501 274 24
2604 278 25
1660 285 26
20 288 27
1011 293 28
4471 298 29
254 299 30
812 305 31
1334 307 32
4537 313 33
379 320 34
3044 322 35
291 326 36
71 330 37
3003 332 38
2165 334 39
4067 336 40
973 348 41
2704 349 42
1448 352 43
321 358 44
2408 358 44
4731 373 46
3478 385 47
846 387 48
3245 388 49
910 389 50
2137 391 51
3145 395 52
840 399 53
525 404 54
1071 408 55
51 409 56
694 424 57
2959 425 58
868 429 59
1714 431 60
2709 436 61
3467 450 62
314 451 63
1967 455 64
236 455 64
2016 455 64
1902 456 67
1796 465 68
1075 467 69
1519 470 70
1868 472 71
948 473 72
126 477 73
11 482 74
836 484 75
4637 498 76
4585 503 77
3310 508 78
2468 529 79
3242 543 80
4470 547 81
33 567 82
4673 581 83
2486 584 84
2415 584 84
955 597 86
1100 610 87
4545 622 88
4589 648 89
987 648 89
3612 656 91
4753 675 92
316 691 93
1836 713 94
4450 737 95
701 755 96
3008 773 97
365 776 98
3314 787 99

[martin417]

Looks like all the other fields have the match schedule and results up, but not Archi. What's up with that?

[bduddy]

Looks fine to me...

http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Archimedes/matchresults.html

[martin417]

Looks fine to me...

http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Archimedes/matchresults.html

Dang cache!

I had to do a shift-reload to get it.

[dodar]

Spyder has everything updating too.

[mdituri]

rest assured, we did not go undefeated so we will not have the opportunity to be turned down by many teams. and while destroying the ability for the best of the best to be together may be some people's style, as a second pick worthy robot, we understand our limitations and do pure best to help our alliance win every match. we are certainly not going on the fieldand doing nothing. and as many of the MAR teams that I respect know, we would rather play against three good robots in the finale than screw alliance selection. we want to see Archimedes to win Einstein, maybe with a MAR bot in the alliance.
On a side note, thank you to 2016, the Mighty Monkey Wrenches for saving us when we had the perfect storm of disasters happen on the way to st Louis which had us finally arriving at the dome around noon on Thursday instead of Wednesday by seven. School bus accident. cancelled them delayed flight, missed connection, forced to spend the night in Charlotte rather than st Louis, and delayed a.m. flight. my team is thankful we are even herer to compete this weekend. thank you 2016 for putting up our Egyptian pit. fixing our bent axles. and being an amazing team. they might be ranked low, but I hope you have them on your radar. maybe someone will have enough confidence in 3314 to choose us for our reliable autonomous, three cycles, ten point hang, and our 80 prior matches of experience this season. Good luck to everyone on Archimedes.

[bam-bam]

Match 120

1075-987-2415 Red
33-1610-2543 Blue

211-85, Red

2415 cements #1 position.

[mdituri]

congrats wiredcats. well deserved!

[Jon K.]

Congrats to all the teams in Archimedes!!! It was an amazing weekend to be on the field, and to be able to watch such high caliber teams was truly an awe inspiring event for me personally. I was privileged to have been able to be a part of your referee crew on Archi!!! That being sad, I am hoping the FIRST community here on Chief Delphi can assist me in looking for my WALL-E figure. He went missing from the Archimedes field on Saturday and I am trying to find him. My sister bought him for me a few years ago, and they no longer produce/sell them. I have taken him to numerous events over the past few years, and have a whole facebook album devoted to him and these pictures. I am saddened that I will not be able to continue this album, and many of my friends were upset about this as well. It has brought a lot of joy to many people both in and out of FIRST to see the picture updates. Attached is the last picture I have of him from the Archimedes field. If you could please ask your teammates to see if anyone may have accidentally taken him I would appreciate it!!! https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/62628_10152796254365711_1126570813_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/602185_10152707105445711_916162266_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/183341_10150432154535711_6610512_n.jpg

[twetherbee]

First off, I had a great time at the Championships as did our entire team. The Archimedes Division did not disappoint this year. I always enjoy meeting and working with new teams each year, such as 33, 469, 291, 1714, 694, 868, 2590, 948 and seeing old friends like 51, 71, 254, 365, 525, 973, 1902, and 3245. I wish the Championships were a few days longer so we could get to know more, but I guess that will have to wait until next year now.

I want to thank our Alliance Captain, Team 2415, for choosing us to be a part of the #1 seed. Going undefeated at the Championships is never easy and you guys earned the #1 seed with your solid robot and game play. We have still never gone undefeated during qualifications at the Championships after coming so close with one loss in 2006, 2008, 2012, and now 2013. (This year's loss is going to sting for a while.)

I also want to thank our other great Alliance Partner, Team 2959. You guys were such a great scoring machine (worthy of a 1st pick) that I was shocked that our Alliance was able to steal you at the end. A great undervalued Michigan team that was a pleasure to work with this year.

Congratulations to Teams 33, 469, and 1519 for winning the Archimedes Division. The finals matches were incredible and all six teams left everything out on the table. I wouldn't want to win or lose any other way. We were pulling for you all the way through Einstein.

Congrats to the Archimedes Teams for their Championship Awards:

254 Industrial Design Award
1902 Imagery Award
33 Quality Award
3478 Engineering Inspiration
2614 Entrepreneurship Award

And again, we were sorry to Team Crush for the hit in Match 2. I don't think we could recreate that if we tried, but at least it is a video clip that we'll both be remembered by for a while. As Greg mentioned in another post, they were next to us in the pit and were gracious enough to give us use some of the glue/solvent, with which they repaired their robot after Match 2, later in the day after we cracked a part of our intake chute. Great team from our neck of the woods (or desert).

Good luck to all of the teams in the offseason. See you at IRI or next year!!

Now back to work....

[Ken Streeter]

This message is simply to thank the many teams on the Archimedes field that made the 2013 Championships an unforgettable day for everybody on 1519. This will probably be a "tl;dr" for many of you, but we'd like to thank you anyway!

During the first three days of the event, there were countless teams that helped us in various ways. We thank all of the teams that tolerated our rudeness on Wednesday night when we shooed you away so that we could completely rebuild the top half of our robot with a different climber and improved shooter. (This might be the best thing about the Wednesday night pit time - uninterrupted time to work on the robot!) On Friday, we could not have repaired our shooter without the encoder MARS 2614 generously gave us, and the Red Devils 1334 repeatedly helped us out with things like thread taps, talcum powder, and encouragement. Other teams made space for us on the informal practice field to test full court shooting, and yet others provided stories of what tricks or techniques worked for them when making the long shots. Please know that you were each some of the many teams in FIRST that helped us this season and you deserve a portion of the credit for any recognition we received. Thanks!

During the qualification matches, our partners were generally fantastic in the strategy sessions, demonstrating the gracious professionalism of FIRST by being willing to set aside their own interests in showcasing their robot or simply doing what they wanted to do, but rather collectively working with us to come up with an alliance strategy that was in the best interest of winning of the match, even if it meant we or they would be playing lowly defense instead of high-profile shooting. Sometimes key, timely, penalty-free defense is the key to winning a match!

For 1519, though, this posting couldn't be complete without a big THANKS to our alliance partners, The Killer Bees (33) and Las Guerrillas (469)! We're especially thankful to the scouting and strategy folks on 33 who saw the potential in our robot and team to bring some significant capabilities and unique diversity to complete the 33/469/1519 alliance, despite our rather mediocre 50th place ranking in Archimedes and our 4-4 record. We made some significant improvements on Friday evening / Saturday morning which were demonstrated in our only Saturday morning qualification match. Before 33 picked us, we were concerned that we may be packing up our pit in a few minutes. Instead, our robotics team had the most incredible ride of our 9 years to date! However, we wouldn't have experienced any of it without 33 and 469 leading our alliance. We're thankful to have had the opportunity to play in the big show, with all of the FRC world watching.

The whole concluding day of the 2013 FRC Championships is a day I'll surely never forget. Thanks to 33 and 469 for inviting us to share the magic with them. We'd love to be allied with either of your teams again some day; I can only hope that your teams both feel the same. Thank you!

We'd also like to extend our congratulations to Team 3467, Windham Windup, of New Hampshire for winning the only judged award for veteran teams on the Archimedes division. Your robot transformation at the Pine Tree Regional was part of the inspiration that we could do a complete upper robot rebuild at the Championship event. It was definitely worth it!

There are a few other non-Archimedes teams that deserve our thanks, too: Without Team 435, The Robodogs, picking us at NCR, we might not have been in St. Louis at all! Back home in New Hampshire, we would have had little chance to develop the FCS in the first place without the practice field space of 1512, the Metal Vidsters, of St. Paul's School.

Thank you all!

[Akash Rastogi]

Sorry to bring this back up, but does anyone have video of 254's quarterfinal matches? All I found video of was 1519's matches.

[JohnSchneider]

Sorry to bring this back up, but does anyone have video of 254's quarterfinal matches? All I found video of was 1519's matches.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RobotBillMD?feature=watch has all of archimedes I think (although from a weird angle)