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JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 17:08
I'm going to be that guy.
1772 is excited to be competing in Galileo, I went nuts when I saw that I get to see some of the teams on that list up close, and even play with them.
Division List "Ugly" Edition (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14638&d=1366232011)
2175 cant wait to compete with everyone in galileo
Maldridge422
17-04-2013, 17:13
For future reference in this thread:
27 Team RUSH
45 TechnoKats Robotics Team
70 More Martians
95 Grasshoppers
111 WildStang
118 Robonauts
125 NUTRONS
151 Tough Techs
192 GRT
222 Tigertrons
245 Adambots
295 Renevatio
329 Raiders
337 Hard Working Hard Hats
358 Robotic Eagles
384 Sparky 384
422 Mech Tech Dragons
447 Team Roboto
467 Shrewsbury Colonials
578 Red Raider Robotics
610 The Coyotes
744 Shark Attack
842 Falcon Robotics
1086 Blue Cheese
1114 Simbotics
1218 Vulcan Robotics
1241 THEORY6
1323 MadTown Robotics
1325 Inverse Paradox
1378 Hilo Viking Robotics
1405 Finney Falcons
1425 Error Code Xero
1429 TEAM KAOS
1477 Texas Torque
1629 Garrett Coalition (GaCo)
1675 The Ultimate Protection Squad
1710 The Ravonics Revolution
1726 N.E.R.D.S. (Nifty Engineering Robotics Design Squad)
1732 Hilltoppers
1772 The Brazilian Trail Blazers
1801 The Dapper Dans
1806 S.W.A.T.
1912 Team Combustion
1987 Broncobots
2000 TEAM ROCK
2046 Bear Metal
2169 KING TeC
2175 The Fighting Calculators
2199 Robo-Lions
2259 1/4 Twenties
2337 EngiNERDs
2338 Gear It Forward
2341 Sprockets
2403 Plasma Robotics
2474 Excel
2481 Roboteers
2485 WARLords
2502 Talon Robotics
2512 Duluth East Daredevils
2630 Thunderbolts
2648 Infinite Loop
2729 Storm Robotics Team
2809 K-Botics
2834 Bionic Barons
2907 Lion Robotics
2978 Cavaliers
3018 Nordic Storm
3132 Thunder Down Under
3189 Circuit Breakers
3211 The Y Team
3284 Camdenton 4H LASER Team
3459 Team PyroTech
3481 Bronc Botz
3528 Up Next!
3641 The Flying Toasters
3656 Dreadbots
3941 Absolute Zero Electricity
3944 All Knights
4011 pirhobotics
4026 Global Dynamics
4039 MakeShift Robotics
4069 Lo-Ellen Robotics
4158 Leilehua Robotics
4334 Alberta Tech Alliance ( ATA)
4452 First Noble Team
4462 Full Metal Jackets
4472 Super NOVA
4481 The Rembrandts
4492 Chrono
4502 The Octo?
4522 Team SCREAM
4541 Cavaliers
4557 FullMetal Falcons
4579 RoboEagles
4601 Circuit Birds
4607 Coalition of Independent Students (C.I.S.)
4627 IRON MANNING
4641 Red Oak Robotics
4797 Bryant HS
Tottanka
17-04-2013, 17:18
3211 The Y Team and 2630 Thunderbolts will represent Israel at Galileo. Can't wait to take part in what is, absolutely objectively, the best division.
Now...where are those signature thingies of galileo...
alex.lew
17-04-2013, 17:24
1912 is excited to be on Galileo for the first time in team history. Looking forward to some great matches!
447 Team Roboto is also excited to be back on Galileo!! Good luck to everyone and see you next week!
ice.berg
17-04-2013, 17:30
2175 cant wait to compete with everyone in galileo
All Minnesota alliance?? :D
All joking aside, we are excited to be in Galileo. Looks like there are some real powerhouse teams that are older as well as some newer dominant teams. Should be a good showing.
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 17:35
In Rookies 4334 and 4452 are the two I recognize.
4452 Being Undefeated at Peachtree in Quals.
4334 Canadian West Champs.
4 Neutrino mentors have connections to this division through their old teams:
1675 The Ultimate Protection Squad
1710 The Ravonics Revolution
2502 Talon Robotics (2 mentors).
Also happy to see a few of the teams who defeated us at KC and North Star.
1806 S.W.A.T (Kansas City)
2175 The Fighting Calculators (North Star)
4607 Coalition of Independent Students (C.I.S.) (North Star)
I will definitely have to watch this division.
Maldridge422
17-04-2013, 17:36
While we're all waiting for some useful data to be generated, here's where all the teams are from:
9 - Michigan
7 - Ontario, Texas
6 - Minnesota, Missouri
5 - California, New York
4 - Arizona, Maryland, Virginia
3 - Illinois, Washington, Wisconsin
2 - Alberta, Hawaii, Indiana, Israel, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania
1 - Australia, Brazil, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Netherlands, North Carolina, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Quebec, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 17:36
Initial scouring looks like there is a certain lack of a high number of floor pickups here. I'll keep digging for more.
XaulZan11
17-04-2013, 17:42
Initial scouring looks like there is a certain lack of a high number of floor pickups here. I'll keep digging for more.
And a couple very good FCS.
Galileo has three of my favorite canidates to be excellent 3rd partners.
wesbass23
17-04-2013, 17:50
Team 1732 is looking forward to playing on Galileo with our winning alliance partners from the Wisconsin Regional, 111 and 2338!
Also there, our friends from WI, 1675!
avanboekel
17-04-2013, 17:54
Cool to see the 2 teams that helped us qualify are in the same division as us (Thanks 1732 and 111)! 2338 is counting down the days for champs!
i count 5 or 6 7 disk autons
two extremely good bots on this field with 1114 and 118; 610 isn't too shabby either. I'm very interested to see how this plays out.
Good luck, looking forward to seeing the teams there!
julianpowell
17-04-2013, 18:14
In Rookies 4334 and 4452 are the two I recognize.
4452 Being Undefeated at Peachtree in Quals.
4334 Canadian West Champs.
4334 isn't a rookie.
Here is a Google Doc for Pit Scouting every team in the division. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuF1A5cZW-3sdC05bzlCeU9OV283MmpvcjVYQ0dEYXc#gid=5)
It's a collaboration effort so please put in any information you have, but only if you know it's correct.
Hopefully this will make pit scouting 102 teams a little easier.
If you have any suggested changes please email or PM me.
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 18:19
I just went off the team number and guessed. I didn't look them up or anything.
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 18:20
Who are the 7 disk autonomous teams?
Who are the 7 disk autonomous teams?
70 118 1477 2175 2337 2474
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 18:25
Good things to know. Anyone up for a giant shared online scouting database at the competition let me know and I'll give you the details of how we'll do it.
MooreteP
17-04-2013, 18:34
610, 1114, 4334.
The new Eh Team?
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 18:36
Unlikely considering if 1114 seeds first the chances of them getting both of those teams isn't that good.
I just went off the team number and guessed. I didn't look them up or anything.
Lowest rookie number is 4450 this year.
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 18:57
610, 1114, 4334.
The new Eh Team?
That would be a dream come true.
It's going to be interesting competing against one the Calgary rookie teams and 1772, the Brazilian team we competed against in the Calgary regional. I don't like the lack of floor pickups in this division.
Does anybody know what full court shooters in this division?
That would be a dream come true.
It's going to be interesting competing against one the Calgary rookie teams and 1772, the Brazilian team we competed against in the Calgary regional. I don't like the lack of floor pickups in this division.
Does anybody know what full court shooters in this division?
i know of three without any of my pre scouting done
2169
2512
610
MrForbes
17-04-2013, 19:05
2485 also is a full court shooter
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 19:07
i know of three without any of my pre scouting done
2169
2512
610
610 isn't a FCS.
610 isn't a FCS.
really i thought they were, someone also said that they were in the spreadsheet posted earlier in this thread
1018sophmore
17-04-2013, 19:11
610 can full court shoot if they so choose I am certain I saw it at BAE but I assume they much prefer cycling
really i thought they were, someone also said that they were in the spreadsheet posted earlier in this thread
Yeah 610 is a feeder slot runner, and one of the best in frc this year at it.
Tottanka
17-04-2013, 19:12
1806 is an awesome FCS
610 is an excellent cycler, and a good FCS.
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 19:15
One could argue the best cyclers in the game are 245, 610, and 1114 (though not a pure cycler with its 30pt climb).
Going to be fun to watch it all play out, but there are 96 teams in this division who are very, very aware of avoiding a real "game over" scenario in alliance selections.
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 19:19
1806 is an awesome FCS
Just watched them in Oklahoma full court shooting and cycling. They are a great FCS and are better than I anticipated at cycling.
Aren Siekmeier
17-04-2013, 19:32
Unlikely considering if 1114 seeds first the chances of them getting both of those teams isn't that good.
But I'm not so sure they will seed first. Unless they show up with a 5/7 disc auto (i.e. they've developed a floor pickup or some other way of acquiring more frisbees), even if (when) they go undefeated with their ridiculous scoring capacity, there could be another undefeated team with more auto points.
Edit: hmm... looking at this picture (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mBWw8td2WnE/UTqbG742IsI/AAAAAAABgv0/WE3Y_Qwpq54/s720/DSC_7662.JPG), it looks they have an empty hinge out back...
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 19:35
Isn't 118 capable of FCS's?
1772 is up to 5 cycles, were just tweaking accuracy now.
falconmaster
17-04-2013, 19:35
Initial scouring looks like there is a certain lack of a high number of floor pickups here. I'll keep digging for more.
We can pick up off of the floor...
falconmaster
17-04-2013, 19:41
Happy to be in Galileo! See many of our favorites in here! Awesome! We are tweeking more stuff on our practice bot that we will incorporate into the competition bot. Looking forward to making some new friends and meeting some old ones!
jamierose
17-04-2013, 19:45
610 isn't a FCS.
We did some full-court shooting at BAE (our best score for full-court shooting was 26/30 discs in the 3-point goal), but at Waterloo we decided an intake would be more important for qualifications. We put our full-court shooting tray extension back on for elims for synergy with 1310, but our shots didn't quite reach the goals with the configuration we had.
CLandrum3081
17-04-2013, 19:55
I would watch out for 2169. They dominated at Northern Lights this year. Didn't see them at Colorado, but I'm pretty sure they were just as good. FCS that is nearly impossible to block - and dead accurate, too. They had matches where they annihilated their opponents. 2169 is always competitive in MN, but I have a feeling they'll be an especially big player at CMP this year.
holygrail
17-04-2013, 20:09
1806 is an awesome FCS
A VERY awesome FCS with a 20 point climb and 20 point dump as well. Also did I mention that they can shoot from the pyramid well too.
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 20:12
We can pick up off of the floor...
I know. I hope 422 is in a match with 842. I can't wait to talk to your team on Hall of Fame (whatever it is this year... row? alley?)!
One thing you can't deny: Galileo has the best Hall of Fame teams.
cmrnpizzo14
17-04-2013, 20:18
I believe that 4334 is a FCS as well, correct?
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 20:39
I believe that 4334 is a FCS as well, correct?
We sure are!
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 20:43
I'm sorry I've never heard of the term unblockable.
hmm... looking at this picture (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mBWw8td2WnE/UTqbG742IsI/AAAAAAABgv0/WE3Y_Qwpq54/s720/DSC_7662.JPG), it looks they have an empty hinge out back...
now that is a very scary thought
fr05ty27355
17-04-2013, 21:06
hmm... looking at this picture (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mBWw8td2WnE/UTqbG742IsI/AAAAAAABgv0/WE3Y_Qwpq54/s720/DSC_7662.JPG), it looks they have an empty hinge out back...
No, that's for attaching their bumpers:
http://www.simbotics.org/files/gtr_east_2013_043.jpg
Let's not make everyone panic just yet.:ahh:
No, that's for attaching their bumpers:
http://www.simbotics.org/files/gtr_east_2013_043.jpg
Let's not make everyone panic just yet.:ahh:
Actually that bar holds their climber in. Pop the bar out, the climber comes out.
prerob96
17-04-2013, 21:16
2169 and 2612 are very solid teams, both can 10 point climb and are very accurate at the full court. At the northern lights regional, they were both tearing it up.
rzoeller
17-04-2013, 21:18
2169 and 2612 are very solid teams, both can 10 point climb and are very accurate at the full court. At the northern lights regional, they were both tearing it up.
Thanks for the compliment! But I believe you mean 2512 not 2612.
prerob96
17-04-2013, 21:25
Thanks for the compliment! But I believe you mean 2512 not 2612.
Yes it is. Accidentally hit 6
1629GaCo
17-04-2013, 21:56
1629 GaCo is ecstatic to be in this division!!!! We will get to play with some heavy hitters in the FIRST community!!! Good luck to all teams and have safe travels.
There's a lot of good competition in this division, it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
We won't really know until Saturday the 27th.
camtunkpa
18-04-2013, 09:05
222 is excited to be in this awesome field of competitors. Glad to see 1218 and 2729 are also in this division representing MAR! Also glad to see we have our friends 125!
akoscielski3
18-04-2013, 10:37
1114 put a "Picker-upper" on their robot at the end of GTR East. In fact they have had it this whole time, Waterloo and GTR West.*
*their "Picker-upper" is a joke, they put a sticker on the front of their robot in GTR East that says "Picker-Upper"
-1114 has no weight or room for a pickup. Dont expect one from them. Their climb and dump has been perfected over the seaon and I believe no one else has a more consistant/fast 50 pt climb. Their cycles are fast and are expected to seed high. The only down fall is their limit of 18 Auto points. If they are tied in Qual pts they will likely fall to 2nd, probably being picked by the 1st seed.
-It'll be interesting to find out how 610 comes into the event. They had a pickup in Waterloo, I wonder if they decide to keep it on or take it off. If they stay cycling consistantly they will be a power house.
-118 showed us their potential with their release video. They had a 30pt climber but rumours suggest they were over weight, forcing them to remove it. If they are able to put it back on, or bring a new one to champs they will be a force on the field.
-1477 has been a great team in texas these past years. They have a 7 discs auto that has proven to be a decent feature for them. If it works every match we will see them excel in the division, likely to be a 1st pick or an alliance captain.
-That little robot that could is back with a pretty decent full court shooter, 4334. Last year they were a critical part of the EH Team on Archimedes, winning the division with 1114 and 2056. If they are able to get a bit more accurate for champs with full court shooting they could again be a great asset.
Some other good looking teams are 111, 1241, 245 and 125
610 isn't a FCS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_cTC5Ma0A&feature=share&list=PLk5eW4p_ePO8Eg4uaPVYdSlRb_rLXUTtM
http://youtu.be/YDOuAbKbWx0
Our robot is a FCS. Depending on the strategy we do cycling or FCS. We've definitely cycled more than we have FCS so far this season.
joelg236
18-04-2013, 11:39
Some initial scouting data based off the open scouting sheet. Looks like it's a pretty FCS heavy division, with less blockers than FCS. That is bound to change though, considering the blockers are probably the teams who don't have much data filled out.
By my estimates (admittedly not going to be very accurate), this is what ranking will probably look like:
118
1477
1114
111
447
2169
1806
2729
The most surprising thing about this is that 610 and 2000 aren't in the top 8. I think that might not end up being true, seeing how close 4th-14th are in OPR. If 610 gets floor loading working and a 7-disk, they have a good chance.
111 has slipped under a lot of people's radars this year (in terms of performance). I think they have a lot of potential as a first pick.
1114 is going to have a tough time, as a lot of people have said, ranking extremely high. I'm really hopeful their climb and dump put them so far ahead that auto won't matter, but that's to be seen. (who would have guessed they would rank 66 last year!)
Galileo looks like the perfect division for a second pick. It has the best distribution of OPR (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14649&d=1366262025) (more balanced), so the 17-24th best robots are bound to be pretty good. My bet right now is that the winner of Galileo will come from a 2nd, 3rd or 4th alliance.
I can't wait to see what a lot of these teams have in store.
* Keep an eye on 2337. Trust me.
joelg236
18-04-2013, 11:47
A VERY awesome FCS with a 20 point climb and 20 point dump as well. Also did I mention that they can shoot from the pyramid well too.
I'm curious how reliable the 20 point dump is. I've seen a lot of unreliable dumps this year.
Anyone know how long the climb takes?
Kris Troha
18-04-2013, 11:52
1425 is another FCS (Central Washington Regional Winner) with ability to strafe and shoot if blocked.
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2013wase2_f1m2
JohnFogarty
18-04-2013, 12:22
Team 1772 should have a FCS blocker.
They proved to be a successful blocker against 836 at palmetto. I'm designing a simple retractable FCS blocker that extends to 84".
I would keep an eye on them as a second pick if they don't end up seeding up top, which they have had a lot of luck seeding pretty high this season.
Like I said they are a pretty reliable 3 Shot Auto, and with the accuracy adjustments we've made their driver control should contend with the best cyclers.
hiyou102
18-04-2013, 14:15
Team 1772 should have a FCS blocker.
They proved to be a successful blocker against 836 at palmetto. I'm designing a simple retractable FCS blocker that extends to 84".
I didn't see them blocking FRS at WCFR. I think could be a very good blocker though.
zachmartin1806
18-04-2013, 14:21
I'm curious how reliable the 20 point dump is. I've seen a lot of unreliable dumps this year.
Anyone know how long the climb takes?
We were getting a climb and dump in an average of 24 seconds at Oklahoma (once at the pyramid) however we have a solution to make this faster for worlds.
Here is a video of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr9068tv6GM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
1114 is going to have a tough time, as a lot of people have said, ranking extremely high. I'm really hopeful their climb and dump put them so far ahead that auto won't matter, but that's to be seen. (who would have guessed they would rank 66 last year!)[/SIZE]
Their climb and dump don't really have the ability to put them ahead. They need to finish with more wins than everyone else or they aren't going to seed first (unless they end up with a lot of partners who can run 5-7 disc auto). The number of points they score in the endgame won't help that.
joelg236
18-04-2013, 16:23
Their climb and dump don't really have the ability to put them ahead. They need to finish with more wins than everyone else or they aren't going to seed first (unless they end up with a lot of partners who can run 5-7 disc auto). The number of points they score in the endgame won't help that.
That's what I was referring to. 50 points does have the capability to win matches.
joelg236
18-04-2013, 16:55
Here's some updated stats. Please keep updating the pit scouting spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuF1A5cZW-3sdC05bzlCeU9OV283MmpvcjVYQ0dEYXc#gid=5) guys. I just set up the spreadsheet to update from there, so until I have some time to research that's all I can get.
PayneTrain
18-04-2013, 17:38
At the end of the day, it's all points, right? I look at it this way.
I picked a qualification match for 1114 that looked like what I imagine most qualification matches to be: they'll will hit all of their auto points, make 11 white discs in 3 cycles, and make their 50-point play at the end.
Let's pick 118 as its analogue. Very high OPR that squeezes out extra points through its floor pickup. In a qualification match with 254 that I picked, I believe they went 6/7 on auto, made 5 cycles but missed 4 discs, and got their 10-point endgame.
1114 barely edged it out in this case, but 118 runs a cleaner game in auto or teleop where Simbots are pretty much maxed in each section of the game. 1114 would be hard pressed to get a 4th teleop cycle in their current routine.
However, the dynamics of this division depends on who seeds first. If it's a floor pickup machine with a perfect 7-disc auto, they would probably pick 1114 and make their second pick a robot that could reliably deposit the discs they and 1114 can't get in their routines. If it's 1114, they have a pick of the most reliable 7-disc auto. If it's neither of those, I assume you have a very strong pure cycler. They HAVE to pick a 7-disc auto machine but if a lower seed can create an alliance with 1114 and a floor pickup machine, it would be a tight match.
AutoPilot2020
18-04-2013, 17:46
Another thing to remember is that the current world high score is held by a cycler (1114), pickup (2056), and a full court shooter (4069). In our second regional we had programming issues, and they should be fixed for Thursday! Watch our for our laser beams!
Jonathan Norris
18-04-2013, 18:02
I picked a qualification match for 1114 that looked like what I imagine most qualification matches to be: they'll will hit all of their auto points, make 11 white discs in 3 cycles, and make their 50-point play at the end.
I don't think I've ever seen 1114 do only 3 cycles, usually 4-5 before their climb, unless there is really heavy D on them. They have a large Teleop+Endgame points advantage on the field.
joelg236
18-04-2013, 20:59
http://goo.gl/med1D
Automatically updating page with stats from pit scouting and our team's research. If there's any stats you'd like on it let me know.
http://goo.gl/med1D
Automatically updating page with stats from pit scouting and our team's research. If there's any stats you'd like on it let me know.
If im not mistaken 2512 has an octocanum drive not mecanum
falconmaster
18-04-2013, 21:09
Our new 5 disk autonomous!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_fSJCrjHmI&feature=youtu.be
this is our practice bot, will transfer code to competition bot at championships.
joelg236
18-04-2013, 21:09
If im not mistaken 2512 has an octocanum drive not mecanum
I just marked robots with octocanum with macanum because I wanted to distinguish them. (low traction, etc.)
JohnFogarty
18-04-2013, 21:39
I didn't see them blocking FRS at WCFR. I think could be a very good blocker though.
They were specifically told to work on making the most cycles as they could.
Unknowingly to everyone at WCR 1772 went through Dallas before reaching their airport in Canada and apparently TSA removed the optical encoder from their shooter that they had taken with them from the previous regional in their witholding 30 LBS. Since they got the sensor from me at the Palmetto Regional Week 1 they didn't have an extra ones.
So 1772 wasn't running anywhere near 100% at Calgary.
But you're right even though we didn't block at WCR we'll end up blocking at some point during champs just to make sure everyone sees that we can.
JoeWithTheSpecs
18-04-2013, 21:44
The video for 222 seems to go to MSC 2013 Qual #111. Pretty sure they weren't there O.o
Glad to see some familiar Michigan faces in this division. Also glad to see 4334 in the same division again this year.
ice.berg
18-04-2013, 23:32
Yall might just want to re-check out the google docs database on 1114... Link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuF1A5cZW-3sdC05bzlCeU9OV283MmpvcjVYQ0dEYXc#gid=5)
Floor pickup: 1
5 and 7 disc auto: ?
:ahh:
I think we have some work to do guys...
Yall might just want to re-check out the google docs database on 1114... Link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuF1A5cZW-3sdC05bzlCeU9OV283MmpvcjVYQ0dEYXc#gid=5)
Floor pickup: 1
5 and 7 disc auto: ?
:ahh:
I think we have some work to do guys...
please please tell me someone is messing with us
JohnFogarty
18-04-2013, 23:41
I will die if that's one of them who put that.
Yall might just want to re-check out the google docs database on 1114... Link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuF1A5cZW-3sdC05bzlCeU9OV283MmpvcjVYQ0dEYXc#gid=5)
Floor pickup: 1
5 and 7 disc auto: ?
:ahh:
I think we have some work to do guys...
I'm not sure if I should be freaking out or OK with this.
Well, hey, fun fact, we wrote "TOP" on our drive frame after we welded it, and after grinding down said welds, our frame says "OP" on it in the middle of the V for the climber.
Chris is me
18-04-2013, 23:53
I picked a qualification match for 1114 that looked like what I imagine most qualification matches to be: they'll will hit all of their auto points, make 11 white discs in 3 cycles, and make their 50-point play at the end.
The whole reason 1114 is so good is because they have a 50 point upswing on top of not a typical cycler, but the best one in FIRST at this point. There's been matches where they cycled 6 (+?) times and then did the 50 point endgame quickly.
That said, I expect 1114 to be the first selection, not the first seed. They are fantastic, but I think it's more likely that a multi-discer will land with a good schedule (or at least as good as 1114's)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned 842 yet. They have a fantastic floor pickup and 30 point climber.
They're clearly the dark horse here. I'm rooting for them and all Michigan teams!
z_beeblebrox
19-04-2013, 00:06
I'm surprised no one has mentioned 842 yet. They have a fantastic floor pickup and 30 point climber.
They're clearly the dark horse here. I'm rooting for them and all Michigan teams!
842 is certainly quite impressive. At the Arizona Regional, they had a sub-30-second 30-point climp and the capability of doing a pyramid goal dump (though they didn't do it every match). Their shooting was somewhat inconsistent in Arizona but they're working on a significant redesign of the frisbee-manipulating system before Championships.
PayneTrain
19-04-2013, 00:08
I can see 842 captaining a 4-seed and picking up 2 killer cyclers and just tear it up.
Like I said, Galileo has the best Hall of Fame teams. 842 really did the kitbase proud this year.
joelg236
19-04-2013, 00:10
Just to let you guys know, 694 was sorted into the teams by accident. I removed them. It messed with my data a lot. :p
Irwin772
19-04-2013, 00:12
In their elimination matches at GTR West and Waterloo the other alliance was worrying more about trying to slow down 2056 so 1114 ran all over the place and was easily able to get in 6 runs and a dump in some of the matches. including the match we set the current high score in at Waterloo. If they can continue this ability with what would seem to be a lack of defense I've seen in past years at champs then they'll easily be in the top 3.
wilsonmw04
19-04-2013, 00:12
I just marked robots with octocanum with macanum because I wanted to distinguish them. (low traction, etc.)
octocanum doesn't mean low traction...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wIPexTMLaQ
Rangel(kf7fdb)
19-04-2013, 00:12
842 is certainly quite impressive. At the Arizona Regional, they had a sub-30-second 30-point climp and the capability of doing a pyramid goal dump (though they didn't do it every match). Their shooting was somewhat inconsistent in Arizona but they're working on a significant redesign of the frisbee-manipulating system before Championships.
That is correct. Our shooting performance was completely unacceptable for us at AZ so we fixed our hopper so that it doesn't jam as well as made it very easy to feed and easier to pick up. Also sped up our firing sequence. Looking at 3-4 cycles a match right now with a 45 pt dump as well as with our new 5 disk centerline auto.
That is correct. Our shooting performance was completely unacceptable for us at AZ so we fixed our hopper so that it doesn't jam as well as made it very easy to feed and easier to pick up. Also sped up our firing sequence. Looking at 3-4 cycles a match right now with a 45 pt dump as well as with our new 5 disk centerline auto.
are you planning on shooting into the top goal i saw you guys shooting into the 2 at AZ if i recall correctly
Rangel(kf7fdb)
19-04-2013, 01:08
are you planning on shooting into the top goal i saw you guys shooting into the 2 at AZ if i recall correctly
Yeah we were shooting two's there because our shooter was horribly inaccurate. We are right now making 3pt shots at about 95 percent accuracy now.
JohnFogarty
19-04-2013, 11:10
This might be just be my opinion, but I expect to see cyclers that match 1114 in some respect. It's their 30 pt climb/dump that will put 1114 on top.
Gronich2630
19-04-2013, 13:08
That would be a dream come true.
Does anybody know what full court shooters in this division?
We (2630) have a cycler\FCS robot. And a pretty accurate one. You can see some of our skills from the DC regional (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archive3.php?id=63032518) and from Israel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILuLRchkrLA) as well (the match starts at 1:35)
Abhishek R
19-04-2013, 14:42
This might be just be my opinion, but I expect to see cyclers that match 1114 in some respect. It's their 30 pt climb/dump that will put 1114 on top.
Definitely, it's their climb and speed of climb that puts them ahead. 18 auto + 50 climb = 68. Compared to 7 disk auto, 42 + 10 point hang = 52. So that's a 16 point advantage that they technically have. However, many of the bots that do do the 7 disk auto (118 and 1477 are the ones i'm familiar with, 610, 4039?) are able to squeeze in a few more disks off the floor in tele-op in addition to their 5+ cycles because it only takes 3 seconds to hang for 10.
Going to be very interesting to watch.
mtfawcett2907
19-04-2013, 15:01
Team 2907 Lion Robotics (aka T-REX) is excited and breaking the bank to get the team out to St. Louis - can't wait to meet some great teams!
TheMadCADer
19-04-2013, 15:16
Definitely, it's their climb and speed of climb that puts them ahead. 18 auto + 50 climb = 68. Compared to 7 disk auto, 42 + 10 point hang = 52. So that's a 16 point advantage that they technically have. However, many of the bots that do do the 7 disk auto (118 and 1477 are the ones i'm familiar with, 610, 4039?) are able to squeeze in a few more disks off the floor in tele-op in addition to their 5+ cycles because it only takes 3 seconds to hang for 10.
Going to be very interesting to watch.
What you point out here is something I've seen a lot of people neglecting in their trade-off calculations. 1114's scoring process for the coloured discs takes just as long as it takes for a shooter to fire off 4 three pointers. In the time that it takes 1114 to line up and climb to the top, a good floor pickup can grab 4 discs and line up. I'd say you can add 12 to the floor loader's score, making it 68 to 64.
1114 still comes out with a couple more points, but you can't really have more than one 1114 on an alliance (if you only do 2 coloured discs you come out behind). In the same vein, you can't have more than one 118 or 1477, because the centerline doesn't yield enough points either, and is easy to defend. Limited resources enforce balanced alliance strategies.
Abhishek R
19-04-2013, 15:44
Limited resources enforce balanced alliance strategies.
Something else often neglected, you're right. This IMO eliminates a few more strategies including 2 FCS and possibly even 2 top-tier cyclers w/o ground pickup could exhaust their supply.
TheCrayButton
19-04-2013, 16:29
Team 3528 is so excited to be at champs! We are getting better each regional so we hope to do well at champs! It will be fun!
Team 2481 is very excited to be competing against the other amazing teams in Galileo!
To follow up on a point that a couple people just made, I've been a firm believer that the most efficient championship alliance can only ideally support 2 offensive powerhouses, but not just because of the disc cap. There's also only so much real estate to work with on the field and that may cause an increase in traffic jams and clutter up key areas of the field if they're not perfect in execution. To clarify, that's either pairing two deadly cycle shooters together or a deadly cycle shooter paired with a full court shooter. You can't support 2 full court shooters on the same alliance because of the nature in how they have to play the game to be most effective. You always want to play to the strengths and maximize the abilities of the robots on the field. In order to do that for these offensive powerhouses, the third alliance robot has to be a versatile defender with the mindset and ability to strategically slow those opposing powerhouses down, and preferably one with the ability to quickly climb for 30 pts (and possibly dump for more). In my oppinion, what makes 1114 so scary good is their ability to efficiently cover two roles simultaneously (deadly cycle shooter and 50 pt. climb/dumper) which gives them added versatility in how they build their alliance with that third pick after pairing up with the best 7 disc autonomous robot available.
For example, could a 118 (7DA, CS) + 1114 (CS, C&D) + 4334 (FCS) alliance really work on the field in the most efficient way to generate wins when going against the best of the best in competition? I'm actually not so sure. I definitely see the appeal, but I would think 118 + 1114 + 3284 would be much more effective because of 3284's defensive versatility to counter the proficient FCS's that populate the Galileo talent pool.
Regardless, I predict that when the dust settles after alliance selections, there will be several top tier cycle shooters who will be unfortunately left on the sidelines in favor of more specialized role players that compliment the backbone of the initial round of alliance pairings better. I can't wait to see how this all plays out as I can never recall another game that's been so strategically interesting.
Here is a video of Team 3018 Nordic Storm's robot in a match where we scored 56 pts. at the 10,000 Lakes Regional. We hope to be a complementary robot to shooters to make a strong alliance having now made improvements to score 56 pts. consistently.
http://www.nordicstorm.org/Galleries/2013Videos/tabid/247/Default.aspx
Rangel(kf7fdb)
19-04-2013, 21:12
What you point out here is something I've seen a lot of people neglecting in their trade-off calculations. 1114's scoring process for the coloured discs takes just as long as it takes for a shooter to fire off 4 three pointers. In the time that it takes 1114 to line up and climb to the top, a good floor pickup can grab 4 discs and line up. I'd say you can add 12 to the floor loader's score, making it 68 to 64.
1114 still comes out with a couple more points, but you can't really have more than one 1114 on an alliance (if you only do 2 coloured discs you come out behind). In the same vein, you can't have more than one 118 or 1477, because the centerline doesn't yield enough points either, and is easy to defend. Limited resources enforce balanced alliance strategies.
That also assumes that the 7 disk autonomous was perfect which from what I'm seeing, most of the time it is not. In fact no team in this division has an autonomous opr more than 30. I think just the reliability of 1114 climb outweighs the unreliability of shooting.
AaronLeondar
20-04-2013, 09:48
i know of three without any of my pre scouting done
2169
2512
610
We (1425) are also a full court shooter. And we've been making modifications over the past month to make our shooter even more accurate!
Definitely going to be a must-see division.
We (1425) are also a full court shooter. And we've been making modifications over the past month to make our shooter even more accurate!
Definitely going to be a must-see division.
heres a more refined list as my scouting starts to come together
45
70
118
329
610
1325
1425
1806
2169
2485
2512
2630
2729
3528
3941
4069
4334
17 total by my count, a lot of this is based off of the spreadsheet in page 2 of this thread, which is still incomplete. But it looks like lots of very good FCS in our division should be exciting
JohnFogarty
20-04-2013, 11:20
I guess our blocker will find some use then. ;)
nlknauss
20-04-2013, 12:45
222 is excited to be in this awesome field of competitors. Glad to see 1218 and 2729 are also in this division representing MAR! Also glad to see we have our friends 125!
We're glad to see our awesome MAR friends, 222 and 1218, in Galileo too. I'm sort of surprised that there's only 3 of us in the division! Our team is very happy and excited to be able to attend Championships this year and to be a part of this awesome division.
A few things about our robot:
We use a single-speed 8 wheeled tank drive with versa wheels. We're putting a new set on Thursday morning.
We shoot 3 during autonomous from any position at the back of the pyramid.
We can shoot to the 3 point goal from just about anywhere on the field. We're most accurate from the back of the pyramid.
We are a cycle feeder able to get 4 cycles in depending on the amount of defense we see.
Our full court shot is "non-traditional" meaning that we load from our shooter end, spin to face the goals, then shoot.
We were running without a working vision system at the MAR Championships and think we know what the problem was preventing our camera feed from displaying on the Smart Dashboard. We hope to have this system back up and running so that we can shoot "lasers" (Dustin Benedict) across the field more frequently. You may see a few matches online where we had some jams, this was completely fixed prior to the MAR region playoffs.
Here's some video of our matches and the GoPro Camera on our robot - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_DjWccdoLydT_hdKEmKNL4-zpW4oeAyr
Looking forward to next week!
Nate
Abhishek R
21-04-2013, 13:59
That also assumes that the 7 disk autonomous was perfect which from what I'm seeing, most of the time it is not. In fact no team in this division has an autonomous opr more than 30. I think just the reliability of 1114 climb outweighs the unreliability of shooting.
Except 1114 has missed one of the four pyramid disks before. 118 and 1477 get the 7 disks almost every time, so accuracy between climb and the auto's isn't too much of a factor.
avanboekel
21-04-2013, 14:21
I thought I'd post a highlight video from the Midwest regional here (2338). Some quick information about our bot over the last 2 regionals:
-Won the Wisconsin regional as a 2nd round pick defensive bot with 1732 and 111
-Came back to Midwest after some practice and programming tweaks as one of the best cyclers in the regional
-Seeded 2nd, picked 111 and 1675
-Reliable 18 pt auton
-5+ cycles per match
-quick passive 10 point hang
And here's the video!
http://youtu.be/xBD_LEpQ8bg
JohnFogarty
21-04-2013, 20:09
How many cyclers are in our division thy match 1114 in just cycling? I know that 50 pt climb makes them better, but still how many really good second picks are there?
How many cyclers are in our division thy match 1114 in just cycling? I know that 50 pt climb makes them better, but still how many really good second picks are there?
610 is a superior cycler, likely matching 1114
PayneTrain
21-04-2013, 20:45
610 is a superior cycler, likely matching 1114
I think in a 1v1 610 and 1114 could go even at 11x points apiece. Definitely crazy.
the question becomes how do you define superior cycler
obviously a high accuracy >90% i would think
but the tough question is how many cycles does a superior cycler make? 5? 6?
the question becomes how do you define superior cycler
obviously a high accuracy >90% i would think
but the tough question is how many cycles does a superior cycler make? 5? 6?
6 at a minimum. 610 was hitting 7 in week 1. I'm expecting more.
6 at a minimum. 610 was hitting 7 in week 1. I'm expecting more.
do you judge the number of cycles a team makes with defence played on them.
My team did 4 runs easily every match with defence played on us, and could make 5 without defence. Hopefully we can break through for 6 at st louis.
do you judge the number of cycles a team makes with defence played on them.
My team did 4 runs easily every match with defence played on us, and could make 5 without defence. Hopefully we can break through for 6 at st louis.
Easiest metric to use is max cycles. 610 had a massive target on their backs since BAE practice day. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDjgMwt0x0&list=PLk5eW4p_ePO8Eg4uaPVYdSlRb_rLXUTtM&index=2) They were by far the biggest threat at their regional, and were stilling hitting 7.
Stark4Prez23
21-04-2013, 22:18
I think it about the consistency of a cycler. If they can make 10 with a miracle that's great but how reliably can they make those 10? At what point does a cycler sacrifice consistency for speed? I think the good cyclers have an alternative when defense is played on them. If a team can only shoot from a certain spot on the field, it's easier to shut them down and play defense. A good cycler should be able to do fine with defense as any good robot.
Abhishek R
21-04-2013, 22:53
6 at a minimum. 610 was hitting 7 in week 1. I'm expecting more.
I really doubt anyone could make more than seven. At our best we were averaging 6, in a normal match we got 5 then a few off the floor before we hung. I would be extremely impressed if someone did actually get 7 as an average. The most I have seen from the top cyclers are 5 - 6 as well.
JohnFogarty
21-04-2013, 23:01
I was about to say....I've never seen 7 cycles anywhere consistently, and I watched 610 at BAE.
1772 is working on 5-6 cycles. 1114 did 4-5 average everywhere I watched them. 4452 did 4 average at Peach-tree and 624 did 5-6 average at Peach-tree.
JoeWithTheSpecs
22-04-2013, 00:37
In my opinion a minimum of 4 or 5 cycles, with defense being played against them, makes a good cycler. Wanting 6+ is asking for a bit too much from one robot. Plus with the limited # of discs available at the feeder station limits how many cycles the cyclers on an alliance can make anyways.
I'll have to check out some of those teams you all are listing, I haven't seen many average any more than five. We're currently maxed out at five, with a quick 10 point hang at the buzzer.
I think that having two cyclers, and then a floor pick-up, will probably make the most stable alliance. The two capable of doing at least 5 cycles with any amount of defense, and the pick-up shooting anything they find laying on the floor, and, of course, getting that early lead in auton. 1114 and 118 just sound perfect for each other in this case. But who knows if either of them will be seeded first by the time quals are over, or whether or not any great cyclers/pick-ups will be left when third pick comes around.
Like what Joel said; keep an eye on 2337
Wanting 6+ is asking for a bit too much from one robot.
Here's a video of 610 completing 7 cycles at BAE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i5xB3PIq1ms
Here's a video of 610 completing 7 cycles at BAE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i5xB3PIq1ms
Wow! That was very impressive! Granted, there was no defense, but still...I'm going to go watch it again :yikes:
Team 2485 is looking forward to playing with so many amazing teams and machines!
Wow! That was very impressive! Granted, there was no defense, but still...I'm going to go watch it again :yikes:
Impressive, indeed! Liked how he wasn't even defended by his own teammates, too!!!
They always kept out of his way! :p
There's been a lot of talk about 610 here...
And here's some more!
They've just released some more material - a highlights video and spec sheet. Check out this thread. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116332)
:D
JohnFogarty
22-04-2013, 09:09
A 6 CIM DriveTrain. No wonder no one can play defense on that robot.
JoeWithTheSpecs
22-04-2013, 10:33
Here's a video of 610 completing 7 cycles at BAE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i5xB3PIq1ms
That's insane :yikes:
Were there any other matches where they were able to get 7 cycles though?
GearsOfFury
22-04-2013, 11:25
If the "preliminary preliminary preliminary" schedule stays true, holy match 109!
Qualification 109: 842 / 2481 / 2512 vs. 610 / 1114 / 111
Pretty close to what most people have been suggesting for bot style match-ups on Einstein.
Any other great ones?
http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default/files/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Events/2013/Galileo_qual_prelim.pdf
zachmartin1806
22-04-2013, 11:28
Match 7: 1241, 4334, 1477 vs 1675, 1114, 1806
Match 7: 1241, 4334, 1477 vs 1675, 1114, 1806
You have no idea how intimidated I am by this preliminarily being our first match of qualification :o
JohnFogarty
22-04-2013, 12:08
Match 86 (1325 & 1806 with us) are both FCS's. Expect to see a high score then for sure.
Match 124 will be a good test for us against 1114.
Prediction: Match 109 will set a world high score that will last until IRI.
Daniel Brim
22-04-2013, 12:26
Match 61 should be fun.
10:26 Qualification 61 Red: 358 125 1806 Blue: 4026 27 118
Joe Ross
22-04-2013, 13:05
I used the preliminary match schedules to simulate the matches using OPR and then calculate the standings. I used each team's best OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet for calculating their contribution to a match. I also used each team's world Auto, Teleop, and Climb OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet for calculating the rest of the standings.
Rank Team Wins Losses Ties Matches QP AP TP CP
1 610 8 0 0 8 16 289 552 188
2 2000 8 0 0 8 16 288 400 153
3 1425 8 0 0 8 16 192 457 167
4 111 7 1 0 8 14 364 413 188
5 118 7 1 0 8 14 337 558 157
6 2474 7 1 0 8 14 310 437 126
7 1114 7 1 0 8 14 308 709 259
8 2502 7 1 0 8 14 261 428 191
9 1806 7 1 0 8 14 251 616 213
10 27 7 1 0 8 14 236 439 74
11 2169 6 1 1 8 13 282 635 156
12 4579 6 1 1 8 13 259 441 250
13 3528 6 2 0 8 12 334 393 124
14 3284 6 2 0 8 12 315 474 176
15 4492 6 2 0 8 12 261 451 134
16 2648 6 2 0 8 12 258 437 205
17 4452 6 2 0 8 12 252 336 181
18 3656 6 2 0 8 12 235 342 128
19 4601 6 2 0 8 12 225 418 150
20 4069 6 2 0 8 12 222 419 162
21 3189 6 2 0 8 12 208 354 146
22 2512 6 2 0 8 12 207 475 158
23 4557 6 2 0 8 12 194 348 175
24 1241 5 3 0 8 10 305 426 163
25 1477 5 3 0 8 10 282 433 150
26 2729 5 3 0 8 10 276 512 182
27 3641 5 3 0 8 10 271 479 188
28 2907 5 3 0 8 10 270 436 174
29 2481 5 3 0 8 10 254 400 245
30 2834 5 3 0 8 10 253 356 121
31 1732 5 3 0 8 10 250 407 130
32 2403 5 3 0 8 10 248 275 216
33 329 5 3 0 8 10 243 473 78
34 245 5 3 0 8 10 240 501 130
35 1218 5 3 0 8 10 211 374 186
36 2338 5 3 0 8 10 190 412 164
37 447 4 3 1 8 9 303 446 166
38 2337 4 3 1 8 9 238 347 158
39 842 4 3 1 8 9 201 337 238
40 4039 4 4 0 8 8 287 529 141
41 4334 4 4 0 8 8 260 402 142
42 4627 4 4 0 8 8 248 348 114
43 2485 4 4 0 8 8 246 482 163
44 3459 4 4 0 8 8 246 287 105
45 2199 4 4 0 8 8 240 295 206
46 2175 4 4 0 8 8 237 364 156
47 3132 4 4 0 8 8 227 323 134
48 2341 4 4 0 8 8 224 385 154
49 295 4 4 0 8 8 224 317 141
50 1323 4 4 0 8 8 209 282 140
51 4011 4 4 0 8 8 200 330 169
52 192 4 4 0 8 8 197 388 170
53 45 4 4 0 8 8 184 325 124
54 1726 4 4 0 8 8 184 264 143
55 1710 4 4 0 8 8 177 205 149
56 4158 3 4 1 8 7 241 384 157
57 70 3 5 0 8 6 309 378 174
58 1987 3 5 0 8 6 274 319 135
59 125 3 5 0 8 6 272 407 178
60 4472 3 5 0 8 6 247 251 129
61 1405 3 5 0 8 6 244 274 192
62 2630 3 5 0 8 6 239 455 57
63 4607 3 5 0 8 6 228 323 157
64 222 3 5 0 8 6 227 400 138
65 1772 3 5 0 8 6 219 343 129
66 1378 3 5 0 8 6 207 364 117
67 4567 3 5 0 8 6 195 362 68
68 3941 3 5 0 8 6 191 326 203
69 4641 3 5 0 8 6 187 283 140
70 4522 3 5 0 8 6 183 278 144
71 1325 3 5 0 8 6 179 288 115
72 3944 3 5 0 8 6 176 280 139
73 744 3 5 0 8 6 175 252 102
74 358 3 5 0 8 6 166 368 269
75 4797 3 5 0 8 6 165 278 177
76 3481 3 5 0 8 6 161 250 150
77 2809 3 5 0 8 6 145 226 148
78 337 3 5 0 8 6 139 225 161
79 95 3 5 0 8 6 139 220 110
80 4541 3 5 0 8 6 125 242 273
81 422 2 6 0 8 4 277 322 90
82 4026 2 6 0 8 4 250 308 119
83 1629 2 6 0 8 4 245 367 132
84 1912 2 6 0 8 4 241 242 165
85 3211 2 6 0 8 4 200 243 113
86 2978 2 6 0 8 4 195 240 92
87 1675 2 6 0 8 4 192 291 143
88 151 2 6 0 8 4 189 310 147
89 3018 2 6 0 8 4 174 324 210
90 1086 2 6 0 8 4 165 224 124
91 467 2 6 0 8 4 162 252 122
92 4502 2 6 0 8 4 146 195 175
93 1429 1 7 0 8 2 248 268 154
94 4462 1 7 0 8 2 204 261 123
95 1801 1 7 0 8 2 188 232 80
96 578 1 7 0 8 2 173 178 61
97 2046 1 7 0 8 2 168 323 59
98 4481 1 7 0 8 2 162 176 123
99 384 0 8 0 8 0 236 276 73
100 2259 0 8 0 8 0 178 245 200
Here are the results from the individual matches
Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 RScore BScore
1 4627 2834 245 2175 4158 4452 89 138
2 2169 70 4641 4462 1629 1772 133 94
3 1801 2502 2338 2000 3528 1405 118 143
4 4557 2474 4026 384 2978 2630 98 73
5 45 3656 1218 151 1710 1086 131 48
6 118 3284 447 2403 4607 1323 208 84
7 1241 4334 1477 1675 1114 1806 182 196
8 3941 842 422 192 4797 744 90 96
9 4011 3018 2259 2337 2199 95 64 84
10 2341 27 1325 2485 467 4541 94 81
11 610 3189 295 358 2648 1429 123 121
12 2729 3944 4039 111 4601 4579 132 150
13 222 2512 3459 2046 1732 4567 122 82
14 3641 3132 329 1912 4472 578 128 63
15 2907 125 4492 2809 3211 4502 121 58
16 337 4069 4522 3481 4481 1987 73 51
17 2481 1425 1710 1378 1726 192 101 82
18 2978 3941 1323 2337 1114 2502 67 205
19 2403 2175 1086 295 4334 1405 118 113
20 2729 422 2630 1241 2259 4641 141 85
21 2000 1675 3656 4026 2512 1772 132 109
22 842 118 2199 245 1629 2046 144 117
23 222 1325 744 4452 3132 3944 92 97
24 4607 2648 1806 1987 578 2809 135 70
25 4601 329 95 3284 2338 1378 95 116
26 4627 2169 2485 3459 4797 4557 134 65
27 151 4579 1732 3211 1801 4462 122 39
28 2474 1726 3189 3018 3641 2341 124 105
29 70 4481 610 4567 4472 125 112 87
30 45 384 4502 4522 111 1912 52 130
31 1218 358 4541 4039 2481 4069 122 141
32 3528 2907 2834 447 467 337 117 78
33 1477 3481 1425 1429 4492 27 139 108
34 4011 1114 192 4158 1405 118 154 157
35 4579 2199 1710 4452 2502 2485 83 169
36 4607 1325 1675 2338 4557 3189 45 97
37 1086 4567 4601 3211 578 3941 64 50
38 245 1378 2512 4522 3944 2337 127 80
39 4502 1218 1726 2169 2175 1241 116 179
40 2809 384 2341 447 2729 610 63 196
41 4462 2259 125 1987 1429 3132 79 97
42 4797 4541 45 2046 4158 337 67 58
43 3459 3641 3528 4069 4011 2648 105 108
44 1323 1425 358 329 70 1801 108 106
45 1772 4334 1732 1912 4039 4481 136 97
46 3018 467 2630 222 3481 842 83 91
47 295 3656 95 1806 2474 4492 85 156
48 2000 1629 4472 2978 2481 2907 127 105
49 111 4026 422 2834 1477 3284 122 161
50 151 27 4641 4627 2403 744 98 84
51 4601 192 4522 4541 2648 2259 98 89
52 3941 2512 337 4011 2485 384 89 86
53 70 4452 1912 2341 4557 1114 128 146
54 447 2337 4158 4579 2169 842 148 148
55 1405 1710 1772 4797 3211 95 81 52
56 222 1378 2907 610 1218 2199 107 157
57 3528 4492 245 1323 4472 3018 126 80
58 422 578 4627 4334 1726 4069 45 117
59 1477 2474 2403 2729 1325 1801 192 90
60 1629 1429 151 111 3641 4607 96 121
61 358 125 1806 4026 27 118 158 161
62 2481 2809 45 295 3481 1675 90 64
63 4481 2338 3944 4502 2834 2978 62 67
64 2046 744 329 4462 1086 2630 95 72
65 2175 1732 4641 2000 3189 1425 120 144
66 1987 1241 467 3459 2502 4039 89 136
67 4567 3132 1726 3656 3284 3528 83 141
68 1429 1378 1912 4579 2403 3941 75 125
69 3211 447 4472 358 2474 2512 100 153
70 2729 1806 3641 70 4158 2481 175 123
71 1772 151 2485 2338 245 222 122 154
72 1405 2199 4557 1477 45 2648 81 155
73 2175 1675 337 27 578 2630 83 111
74 4462 4069 95 1323 3944 2000 64 96
75 3284 1114 1425 384 2169 4039 205 143
76 4026 2046 1801 2337 610 4627 47 108
77 4641 4011 4502 2341 2502 842 50 112
78 4797 125 3481 4334 1325 3656 93 107
79 1218 4567 2834 2259 329 3189 112 94
80 4522 2978 467 4492 1710 744 45 65
81 3132 1086 4481 118 4541 2809 56 131
82 192 111 4452 1732 1987 2907 158 128
83 295 3459 4607 3018 422 4601 57 105
84 1629 2337 3211 1241 2403 337 100 115
85 358 3941 151 2729 1726 4557 89 111
86 1429 3284 2199 1325 1806 1772 108 118
87 2630 4472 4627 3656 3189 4502 64 97
88 4026 467 4158 1218 1425 2648 55 171
89 4334 2259 1378 70 447 2000 77 177
90 95 3528 1732 1086 1477 384 106 104
91 1323 111 1710 1675 3132 3459 102 80
92 3641 3944 192 4567 2169 295 88 116
93 3481 4541 4579 329 4011 2474 78 124
94 744 578 4481 245 2907 2341 47 127
95 118 1987 1801 1912 2834 222 132 111
96 4797 4462 2338 2512 27 3018 90 148
97 4601 4452 1241 2978 2809 842 140 73
98 610 4039 4607 1405 4641 4522 131 80
99 4069 1114 2485 1629 125 45 203 116
100 2502 4492 2481 2046 422 2175 126 100
101 2199 4541 4502 1732 1323 3641 67 116
102 2341 1772 3528 4579 358 192 104 120
103 2169 2630 3211 245 1987 1325 128 104
104 2337 2474 2648 1086 222 3284 163 115
105 3459 3189 2403 578 3481 95 104 36
106 1429 3018 70 118 4627 1241 109 142
107 467 4452 2000 1726 45 4481 116 55
108 744 1405 1675 1378 125 2834 90 97
109 842 2481 2512 610 1114 111 128 237
110 4567 2485 4607 4462 2907 1425 86 106
111 4557 4039 329 2809 1710 337 125 43
112 2338 4069 1806 2259 3941 2175 155 92
113 3132 2502 4334 4026 151 4601 143 78
114 3656 2046 2978 1477 447 4011 77 160
115 4522 4797 2729 1218 295 1629 119 138
116 4472 27 3944 1801 384 422 84 58
117 4492 4158 1325 1912 4641 1726 73 80
118 2474 4481 1378 111 3528 4627 82 114
119 2834 4607 70 4541 95 2512 83 85
120 4579 3641 610 2630 118 45 151 150
121 222 4334 3189 2481 2169 3941 129 143
122 3284 2502 3211 192 4069 1675 122 98
123 4522 447 578 1241 125 2199 107 135
124 1114 4601 1987 2046 1772 1218 171 117
125 384 744 1429 3656 4158 2338 70 128
126 4462 422 4039 1806 4452 3481 106 133
127 1912 1405 337 3459 2978 1425 77 85
128 2809 27 4011 1629 1323 4567 95 83
129 329 2000 295 151 2337 2341 141 94
130 2175 842 2907 1710 1477 3944 126 96
131 2403 2259 358 4797 1732 4492 102 104
132 1801 1086 4641 467 245 4557 44 76
133 2648 2729 2485 3018 4502 3132 182 95
134 4472 4579 2338 4026 4452 4607 113 79
7 matches are predicted to be over 300 combined
Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 RScore BScore
7 1241 4334 1477 1675 1114 1806 182 196
109 842 2481 2512 610 1114 111 128 237
75 3284 1114 1425 384 2169 4039 205 143
61 358 125 1806 4026 27 118 158 161
99 4069 1114 2485 1629 125 45 203 116
34 4011 1114 192 4158 1405 118 154 157
120 4579 3641 610 2630 118 45 151 150
Here are the highest scoring close matches
Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 RScore BScore
61 358 125 1806 4026 27 118 158 161
34 4011 1114 192 4158 1405 118 154 157
120 4579 3641 610 2630 118 45 151 150
54 447 2337 4158 4579 2169 842 148 148
11 610 3189 295 358 2648 1429 123 121
19 2403 2175 1086 295 4334 1405 118 113
Don't like the predictions? Go out and prove them wrong :)
Edit, now corrected to include match 134.
s_forbes
22-04-2013, 13:23
Thanks for the info Joe!
You're missing match 134. :)
Peyton Yeung
22-04-2013, 13:41
Seeing our number come up in so many of the top matches is exciting. Hope we can stand out :)
If the "preliminary preliminary preliminary" schedule stays true, holy match 109!
Qualification 109: 842 / 2481 / 2512 vs. 610 / 1114 / 111
Pretty close to what most people have been suggesting for bot style match-ups on Einstein.
Any other great ones?
http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default/files/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Events/2013/Galileo_qual_prelim.pdf
Yeah...basically that match is where us and 842 will have to prove our defensive worth before each of us gets on that pyramid for 30 and dumps all 6 discs between us. 2512 will be able to go nuts shooting because all three of those teams can't block a FCS. If they can manage to shoot all 45 discs, we may have a shot because we'll beat them on climb points by a significant margin. Now, when I say 'we have a shot' I really mean like we may be able to pull this off 1 match out of a hundred...but that 1 time just has to happen in match 109 on Friday. Anyone up for the Galileo miracle? ;)
Match could be tied at 66 after autonomous (each side has a 5 disc and 2 18s)
If we can collectively slow 1114 to 3 cycles, 111 to 3 cycles, and 610 to 3 cycles that's 108 tele-op points (or 36 discs). Hell, they'd easily score the full 45 for 135 tele-op points undefended.
Climb points should be 70 (2 30s and a 10) to 50 (30 and 2 10s) with 30 points in pyramid discs (6) to 20 points in pyramid discs (4). That's 100 to 70 on the pyramid.
That means, 2512 has to score at least 26 discs with their full court shooting for this to happen if 1114/610/111 are limited to 36 discs with our defense. 2512 would have to score at least 35 discs if 1114/610/111 put up all 45.
That would be 244 - 244...which is a very high score, for either side. That tells me that this is at least possible with the amount of variables in play...
Yeah, I believe in miracles :)
avanboekel
22-04-2013, 14:41
Not exactly sure how you got these.. I ran the same type of simulation with the data here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AivsL6ZQXXIqdGxVS0JpSzFFazJmVU9SVktBZHN5N Wc#gid=3) and got these results.
Those OPR numbers aren't correct. It's not referencing correctly with the Max OPR page.
Travis Hoffman
22-04-2013, 14:48
Those OPR numbers aren't correct. It's not referencing correctly with the Max OPR page.
VLOOKUPS require sorted fields for searching. Sort the OPR data by team number, not by OPR.
Jonathan Norris
22-04-2013, 14:52
Not exactly sure how you got these.. I ran the same type of simulation with the data here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AivsL6ZQXXIqdGxVS0JpSzFFazJmVU9SVktBZHN5N Wc#gid=3) and got these results.
Joel,
Those results don't look right, I ran a similar analysis and got the same results as Joe.
avanboekel
22-04-2013, 14:53
VLOOKUPS require sorted fields for searching. Sort the OPR data by team number, not by OPR.
I didn't make the spreadsheet, just the observation that it was wrong. I think somebody in the other thread said they are going to fix it later today.
On another note, I see that some teams have 9 matches while others have 8. I'm guessing that the T or F next to the team number on the version FIRST released indicates whether or not it's a surrogate match.
joelg236
22-04-2013, 14:53
Not exactly sure how you got these.. I ran the same type of simulation with the data here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AivsL6ZQXXIqdGxVS0JpSzFFazJmVU9SVktBZHN5N Wc#gid=3) and got these results.
...
I found out what was up. The OPR columns in the document were completely wrong (1114 has a 37 OPR... what?). Joe Ross's analysis is correct.
avanboekel
22-04-2013, 14:55
I found out what was up. The OPR columns in the document were completely wrong (1114 has a 37 OPR... what?). Does anyone have an easy way to repair that?
Travis said-
VLOOKUPS require sorted fields for searching. Sort the OPR data by team number, not by OPR.
joelg236
22-04-2013, 14:58
Travis said-
VLOOKUPS require sorted fields for searching. Sort the OPR data by team number, not by OPR.
The sheet is protected. Someone with access will need to do it.
Travis Hoffman
22-04-2013, 14:59
The sheet is protected. Someone with access will need to do it.
Download it as an Excel file (File menu). Then you can do what you want with it.
ErikEdhlund
22-04-2013, 15:03
Yeah...basically that match is where us and 842 will have to prove our defensive worth before each of us gets on that pyramid for 30 and dumps all 6 discs between us. 2512 will be able to go nuts shooting because all three of those teams can't block a FCS. If they can manage to shoot all 45 discs, we may have a shot because we'll beat them on climb points by a significant margin. Now, when I say 'we have a shot' I really mean like we may be able to pull this off 1 match out of a hundred...but that 1 time just has to happen in match 109 on Friday. Anyone up for the Galileo miracle? ;)
Match could be tied at 66 after autonomous (each side has a 5 disc and 2 18s)
If we can collectively slow 1114 to 3 cycles, 111 to 3 cycles, and 610 to 3 cycles that's 108 tele-op points (or 36 discs). Hell, they'd easily score the full 45 for 135 tele-op points undefended.
Climb points should be 70 (2 30s and a 10) to 50 (30 and 2 10s) with 30 points in pyramid discs (6) to 20 points in pyramid discs (4). That's 100 to 70 on the pyramid.
That means, 2512 has to score at least 26 discs with their full court shooting for this to happen if 1114/610/111 are limited to 36 discs with our defense. 2512 would have to score at least 35 discs if 1114/610/111 put up all 45.
That would be 244 - 244...which is a very high score, for either side. That tells me that this is at least possible with the amount of variables in play...
Yeah, I believe in miracles :)
Well if that match does happen I know what to prepare for now. ;-)
stingray27
22-04-2013, 15:03
Similar to Joe's Post, here is what I pulled up from my database:
Rank Team Wins Losses Auton Teleop Climb
1 2000 8 0 339.4118376 583.3173277 153.2978706
2 610 8 0 327.2831218 663.4686111 208.8649728
3 1425 8 0 256.5938256 646.7435868 185.4537257
4 111 7 1 413.4566302 504.6951036 219.9849087
5 2474 7 1 392.9492782 555.9276424 149.0889119
6 118 7 1 388.5676859 643.0836749 153.8854646
7 4452 7 2 384.5580535 541.6448003 261.4859541
8 1114 7 1 328.6607462 849.7160171 327.758655
9 1806 7 1 310.705098 650.7209833 272.0383201
10 27 7 1 280.854562 533.5248126 76.00261802
11 2502 7 1 264.5125073 563.1033412 270.8128708
12 3528 6 2 364.721481 475.7123946 122.2295133
13 3284 6 2 357.0157363 609.1641928 184.4054775
14 2648 6 2 333.6770125 567.252136 213.2568982
15 4069 6 2 296.1918706 484.5803783 176.6323599
16 4579 6 3 293.0472739 508.2541516 279.4225624
17 4492 6 2 281.4500658 457.8843917 152.3511184
18 2169 6 2 267.3692581 664.8157139 177.2666378
19 3656 6 2 260.889885 464.8174797 168.7283499
20 4601 6 2 254.9417619 482.2507245 173.138805
21 3189 6 2 252.8834819 496.3195286 152.3859313
22 2512 6 2 227.1738389 568.1765103 167.4807692
23 4557 6 2 212.3482543 399.2500252 180.2358143
24 2338 6 3 207.6370395 605.504249 222.1237923
25 1477 5 3 400.8012307 635.2850354 147.9502986
26 1241 5 3 376.0822375 528.0421496 178.6612996
27 2729 5 3 341.6970178 569.2364634 219.8233795
28 447 5 3 341.5288962 582.3000384 174.9029565
29 2834 5 3 315.5103286 427.2617247 95.13664334
30 2907 5 3 303.3033361 441.7684479 190.7785953
31 2481 5 3 294.9291941 436.6760205 218.5025543
32 3641 5 3 293.4582927 532.1369505 167.1692436
33 2403 5 3 286.9529622 377.7844291 274.8435524
34 2337 5 3 281.3084476 461.2038191 214.4414019
35 1218 5 3 265.9198309 578.1554666 210.7996568
36 329 5 3 261.3943135 577.8390345 92.21007831
37 245 5 3 255.5551567 539.9154675 128.4186598
38 1732 5 3 251.8203337 479.3601603 187.7248564
39 4039 4 4 320.1576059 528.8061253 167.6322725
40 4334 4 4 312.967596 516.8036298 173.6192218
41 4158 4 4 279.9466638 442.2397609 174.7263875
42 192 4 4 279.1732286 445.9606207 171.2620088
43 2199 4 4 277.3604935 330.9435226 189.4045247
44 3459 4 4 273.5694053 382.3338516 99.07813306
45 2485 4 4 266.2214741 557.5899185 188.3105091
46 1726 4 4 265.8326609 346.2349053 150.8793851
47 2175 4 4 263.2504214 450.6399205 251.9247035
48 4627 4 4 262.0832141 390.8925694 132.0125109
49 3132 4 4 248.4262577 381.9306075 165.2501526
50 295 4 4 247.6925385 466.1102799 126.0650472
51 4011 4 4 239.3002934 408.3139466 174.7743904
52 45 4 4 238.4501888 424.6594985 92.20729569
53 2341 4 4 226.9460398 433.0941739 170.9711826
54 1323 4 4 216.530052 377.2680564 146.4618615
55 842 4 4 210.7096309 368.0571729 256.9030841
56 1710 4 4 209.0431127 258.0263065 152.8870935
57 70 3 5 340.3377589 460.8265881 178.1590781
58 1987 3 5 298.8897086 371.4569959 166.6420718
59 125 3 5 289.4587694 414.5934466 174.3321513
60 222 3 5 273.8180657 481.5940405 158.7102602
61 1405 3 5 273.5562207 346.2001434 198.0558045
62 4607 3 6 262.9507959 371.2714227 177.9737968
63 4472 3 5 248.0718798 320.4937655 126.3410521
64 1772 3 5 247.1928367 446.2659693 186.15206
65 1378 3 5 239.5630422 411.6245401 113.5268088
66 1325 3 5 239.5149714 301.6530644 186.2321972
67 2630 3 5 231.243705 489.8766974 59.80447832
68 3944 3 5 229.7187948 361.2900095 150.6130268
69 4522 3 5 228.6967165 327.8018187 164.8253232
70 744 3 5 213.7977566 281.4537305 164.8896969
71 4641 3 5 212.9638025 327.3762731 162.6491645
72 358 3 5 208.2177577 470.4144542 300.3432876
73 3481 3 5 201.0478133 323.7212215 157.2148068
74 4567 3 5 200.2196047 411.2074403 67.9962901
75 95 3 5 185.6466518 276.2382421 147.672099
76 4797 3 5 181.0715066 319.2746643 187.9442414
77 337 3 5 174.3164471 281.5331104 171.8513376
78 3941 3 5 168.6301846 337.368133 249.6355007
79 2809 3 5 160.3705945 263.1359037 116.6198062
80 4541 3 5 140.4892951 297.1941327 257.3820841
81 1912 2 6 306.3133552 304.1768794 170.7541726
82 1629 2 6 276.9191232 457.8768302 115.5329455
83 422 2 6 273.1139821 345.2013386 145.2350049
84 4026 2 6 272.9802613 349.8353143 131.9187452
85 1675 2 6 216.6775942 374.8922662 204.7860169
86 2978 2 6 215.754648 269.4413644 92.86267932
87 151 2 6 214.7256855 381.4452495 151.1355776
88 1086 2 6 191.234883 273.016549 165.8717034
89 467 2 6 176.7747254 321.7633144 126.868975
90 4502 2 6 154.4986648 251.2045098 171.6578547
91 3211 2 6 151.7945738 268.904902 122.3715481
92 3018 2 6 146.7124076 396.6147198 246.8913193
93 1429 1 7 299.8142356 337.6486824 148.694706
94 1801 1 7 219.465527 272.7024469 138.5473679
95 4462 1 7 218.1868541 288.8398022 140.0262214
96 2046 1 7 201.731004 372.283241 120.1824194
97 4481 1 7 195.0045278 216.7587443 145.78604
98 578 1 7 190.1345067 222.2787725 92.48802172
99 384 0 8 251.6569642 303.5151612 78.35431597
100 2259 0 8 178.0861512 285.5099332 215.8133132
Similar to Joe's Post, here is what I pulled up from my database:
Rank Team win loss auton teleop
1 1425 8 0 514.5797967 213.620008
2 610 8 0 426.3259509 454.4765931
3 2000 8 0 402.5021234 393.868145
4 1806 7 1 529.7862611 375.7341261
5 118 7 1 488.7188396 443.4902405
6 1114 7 1 441.2055099 428.23455
7 111 7 1 424.9966926 356.3071779
8 4452 7 2 380.845196 350.2286779
9 2502 7 1 337.7455263 324.3459281
10 2474 7 1 335.0136976 261.6137508
11 27 7 1 322.8663349 290.6002484
12 2648 6 2 524.7261464 235.8552453
13 2169 6 2 446.0799888 390.9376034
14 2338 6 3 427.2949641 396.0876846
15 2512 6 2 421.5218115 302.595847
16 3528 6 2 411.1806573 261.7880619
17 4492 6 2 393.7020665 228.0115098
18 3189 6 2 387.4596116 169.8139056
19 3284 6 2 336.4592185 387.6485551
20 4069 6 2 335.4788849 336.5653434
21 4601 6 2 327.6582267 331.3727131
22 3656 6 2 314.1252122 389.7842389
23 4579 6 3 301.4255741 382.5106737
24 4557 6 2 271.5565385 261.5573944
25 1241 5 3 478.0862264 380.6813042
26 1477 5 3 448.3570873 456.3603691
27 329 5 3 440.6138274 344.653101
28 3641 5 3 410.4769972 356.0885923
29 1732 5 3 408.2805647 340.9252399
30 2834 5 3 407.3080218 263.6916879
31 447 5 3 392.2038913 414.6268827
32 1218 5 3 372.5865953 467.6431863
33 2481 5 3 371.4753175 426.6791635
34 2403 5 3 351.6768318 203.9322547
35 2337 5 3 350.4044892 426.847058
36 245 5 3 338.8646495 332.4456928
37 2907 5 3 315.1361778 236.6002016
38 2729 5 3 302.4286233 394.889662
39 2485 4 4 539.0268638 259.1759882
40 4039 4 4 429.4792415 217.7105637
41 295 4 4 405.8545146 217.2178007
42 4158 4 4 376.0695104 233.6592356
43 192 4 4 372.7806581 288.6812956
44 2199 4 4 365.0337187 313.8093375
45 45 4 4 360.1681094 191.4537706
46 1710 4 4 338.1300914 165.8092393
47 4334 4 4 326.911818 440.5605639
48 2341 4 4 318.4116692 308.2393042
49 842 4 4 312.3312503 331.563849
50 3459 4 4 311.2832805 318.6928465
51 2175 4 4 306.4590766 346.4873939
52 4011 4 4 305.7449136 253.7355586
53 3132 4 4 303.7976926 279.9074474
54 4627 4 4 277.8338935 254.8008006
55 1726 4 4 275.5713211 204.2253238
56 1323 4 4 241.7044769 276.6136062
57 1987 3 5 409.0460731 245.5820445
58 4607 3 6 399.3664256 232.0701619
59 4472 3 5 396.5137098 224.0075438
60 222 3 5 393.9007912 336.905071
61 2630 3 5 382.4635369 215.551055
62 1772 3 5 378.4695464 330.1575139
63 70 3 5 373.2082263 362.9603846
64 4641 3 5 371.2848719 148.1304255
65 125 3 5 360.8561907 278.9408393
66 3944 3 5 353.5963726 246.463966
67 3941 3 5 345.485973 370.7618314
68 1405 3 5 344.1852892 261.5357236
69 1325 3 5 342.3833893 255.3157771
70 358 3 5 332.0503844 411.6219145
71 3481 3 5 326.0745717 209.3933733
72 1378 3 5 306.018455 300.3875986
73 4522 3 5 270.7036714 264.483786
74 337 3 5 270.6525455 188.119288
75 95 3 5 251.0149463 162.6501873
76 4797 3 5 247.7051905 319.7743329
77 2809 3 5 241.9586349 215.3766958
78 4567 3 5 241.202862 291.5810666
79 744 3 5 239.6207725 255.0261043
80 4541 3 5 235.9012233 344.3511193
81 1629 2 6 382.5979213 314.0670307
82 3211 2 6 321.6637979 155.3365139
83 1912 2 6 308.026743 240.0464673
84 151 2 6 306.5267083 365.3405806
85 467 2 6 285.3060512 288.875651
86 4026 2 6 280.1144469 364.8112765
87 4502 2 6 275.8432247 207.3012134
88 3018 2 6 273.8830605 358.5995771
89 422 2 6 271.1376114 225.6511656
90 1086 2 6 265.1736341 319.5281761
91 1675 2 6 254.1979875 369.4301115
92 2978 2 6 236.4246779 184.264119
93 578 1 7 307.003048 241.3050859
94 1429 1 7 296.3992141 296.4651213
95 1801 1 7 295.3964673 198.9846829
96 2046 1 7 268.6454291 404.4811356
97 4462 1 7 214.1941115 343.3635454
98 4481 1 7 209.6078547 209.6834595
99 384 0 8 336.8963678 348.5397816
100 2259 0 8 301.2801641 365.3055616
That doesn't seem right. There's no way we'd have more autonomous points than teleop.
avanboekel
22-04-2013, 15:07
Similar to Joe's Post, here is what I pulled up from my database:
Rank Team win loss auton teleop
1 1425 8 0 514.5797967 213.620008
2 610 8 0 426.3259509 454.4765931
3 2000 8 0 402.5021234 393.868145
4 1806 7 1 529.7862611 375.7341261
5 118 7 1 488.7188396 443.4902405
6 1114 7 1 441.2055099 428.23455
7 111 7 1 424.9966926 356.3071779
8 4452 7 2 380.845196 350.2286779
9 2502 7 1 337.7455263 324.3459281
10 2474 7 1 335.0136976 261.6137508
11 27 7 1 322.8663349 290.6002484
12 2648 6 2 524.7261464 235.8552453
13 2169 6 2 446.0799888 390.9376034
14 2338 6 3 427.2949641 396.0876846
15 2512 6 2 421.5218115 302.595847
16 3528 6 2 411.1806573 261.7880619
17 4492 6 2 393.7020665 228.0115098
18 3189 6 2 387.4596116 169.8139056
19 3284 6 2 336.4592185 387.6485551
20 4069 6 2 335.4788849 336.5653434
21 4601 6 2 327.6582267 331.3727131
22 3656 6 2 314.1252122 389.7842389
23 4579 6 3 301.4255741 382.5106737
24 4557 6 2 271.5565385 261.5573944
25 1241 5 3 478.0862264 380.6813042
26 1477 5 3 448.3570873 456.3603691
27 329 5 3 440.6138274 344.653101
28 3641 5 3 410.4769972 356.0885923
29 1732 5 3 408.2805647 340.9252399
30 2834 5 3 407.3080218 263.6916879
31 447 5 3 392.2038913 414.6268827
32 1218 5 3 372.5865953 467.6431863
33 2481 5 3 371.4753175 426.6791635
34 2403 5 3 351.6768318 203.9322547
35 2337 5 3 350.4044892 426.847058
36 245 5 3 338.8646495 332.4456928
37 2907 5 3 315.1361778 236.6002016
38 2729 5 3 302.4286233 394.889662
39 2485 4 4 539.0268638 259.1759882
40 4039 4 4 429.4792415 217.7105637
41 295 4 4 405.8545146 217.2178007
42 4158 4 4 376.0695104 233.6592356
43 192 4 4 372.7806581 288.6812956
44 2199 4 4 365.0337187 313.8093375
45 45 4 4 360.1681094 191.4537706
46 1710 4 4 338.1300914 165.8092393
47 4334 4 4 326.911818 440.5605639
48 2341 4 4 318.4116692 308.2393042
49 842 4 4 312.3312503 331.563849
50 3459 4 4 311.2832805 318.6928465
51 2175 4 4 306.4590766 346.4873939
52 4011 4 4 305.7449136 253.7355586
53 3132 4 4 303.7976926 279.9074474
54 4627 4 4 277.8338935 254.8008006
55 1726 4 4 275.5713211 204.2253238
56 1323 4 4 241.7044769 276.6136062
57 1987 3 5 409.0460731 245.5820445
58 4607 3 6 399.3664256 232.0701619
59 4472 3 5 396.5137098 224.0075438
60 222 3 5 393.9007912 336.905071
61 2630 3 5 382.4635369 215.551055
62 1772 3 5 378.4695464 330.1575139
63 70 3 5 373.2082263 362.9603846
64 4641 3 5 371.2848719 148.1304255
65 125 3 5 360.8561907 278.9408393
66 3944 3 5 353.5963726 246.463966
67 3941 3 5 345.485973 370.7618314
68 1405 3 5 344.1852892 261.5357236
69 1325 3 5 342.3833893 255.3157771
70 358 3 5 332.0503844 411.6219145
71 3481 3 5 326.0745717 209.3933733
72 1378 3 5 306.018455 300.3875986
73 4522 3 5 270.7036714 264.483786
74 337 3 5 270.6525455 188.119288
75 95 3 5 251.0149463 162.6501873
76 4797 3 5 247.7051905 319.7743329
77 2809 3 5 241.9586349 215.3766958
78 4567 3 5 241.202862 291.5810666
79 744 3 5 239.6207725 255.0261043
80 4541 3 5 235.9012233 344.3511193
81 1629 2 6 382.5979213 314.0670307
82 3211 2 6 321.6637979 155.3365139
83 1912 2 6 308.026743 240.0464673
84 151 2 6 306.5267083 365.3405806
85 467 2 6 285.3060512 288.875651
86 4026 2 6 280.1144469 364.8112765
87 4502 2 6 275.8432247 207.3012134
88 3018 2 6 273.8830605 358.5995771
89 422 2 6 271.1376114 225.6511656
90 1086 2 6 265.1736341 319.5281761
91 1675 2 6 254.1979875 369.4301115
92 2978 2 6 236.4246779 184.264119
93 578 1 7 307.003048 241.3050859
94 1429 1 7 296.3992141 296.4651213
95 1801 1 7 295.3964673 198.9846829
96 2046 1 7 268.6454291 404.4811356
97 4462 1 7 214.1941115 343.3635454
98 4481 1 7 209.6078547 209.6834595
99 384 0 8 336.8963678 348.5397816
100 2259 0 8 301.2801641 365.3055616
Any way to remove the surrogate matches?
stingray27
22-04-2013, 15:09
That doesn't seem right. There's no way we'd have more autonomous points than teleop.
Yeah, Thanks. There are some errors in the auton and teleop columns. Just go by the first 2/3 columns. Sorry!
jamierose
22-04-2013, 15:12
Looking at OPRs is fun, but they should be taken with a grain of salt.
After all, if matches were determined by the numbers, we wouldn't need to have competitions.
I'll probably be more surprised than anyone if my team manages to go undefeated.
Looking at OPRs is fun, but they should be taken with a grain of salt.
After all, if matches were determined by the numbers, we wouldn't need to have competitions.
I'll probably be more surprised than anyone if my team manages to go undefeated.
Surprises are fun.
joelg236
22-04-2013, 15:18
Looking at OPRs is fun, but they should be taken with a grain of salt.
After all, if matches were determined by the numbers, we wouldn't need to have competitions.
I'll probably be more surprised than anyone if my team manages to go undefeated.
We all know OPR is everything, obviously.
/sarcasm
We all know OPR is everything, obviously.
/sarcasm
Especially OPR at previous events, some of which more than 4 weeks ago.
PayneTrain
22-04-2013, 15:26
We all know OPR is everything, obviously.
/sarcasm
Also, remember that the fewer matches the team played in the more accurate the results!
Suppose for a second though, that 610 (inexplicably, given their lack of 7disc floor pickup [they had a 5disker at ONWA, but removed it]) DOES seed #1.
Who do they pick? 118? 1114? someone else? 1114's scoring prowess is huge, but that would leave their alliance likely without a 7disc auto.
Grim Tuesday
22-04-2013, 16:16
Suppose for a second though, that 610 (inexplicably, given their lack of 7disc floor pickup [they had a 5disker at ONWA, but removed it]) DOES seed #1.
Who do they pick? 118? 1114? someone else? 1114's scoring prowess is huge, but that would leave their alliance likely without a 7disc auto.
Eh Team 2013 all the way.
PayneTrain
22-04-2013, 16:19
Suppose for a second though, that 610 (inexplicably, given their lack of 7disc floor pickup [they had a 5disker at ONWA, but removed it]) DOES seed #1.
Who do they pick? 118? 1114? someone else? 1114's scoring prowess is huge, but that would leave their alliance likely without a 7disc auto.
I don't think they would pick 1114 because that means they are banking on any floor pickup being left for the 16th pick (there won't be) or they have their pickup at 100% (which they may find risky). If 1114 is an alliance captain but ranked 4th or lower, 610 might pick them almost certainly anticipating them to decline and scorch the pick. I'm certain at that point the best floor loader on the board would go to them, and 1114 would be forced to pick a floor load that may not be of the consistent caliber 610 will get.
But I think we're in the fourth layer of this hypothetical right now so I'll just wait here for Wednesday at 2:30 to get here so I can be in the car to StL.
Travis Hoffman
22-04-2013, 16:27
Suppose for a second though, that 610 (inexplicably, given their lack of 7disc floor pickup [they had a 5disker at ONWA, but removed it]) DOES seed #1.
Who do they pick? 118? 1114?
4601! (rooting for the local rookie team :) )
610, 1114, 1323
JohnFogarty
22-04-2013, 17:14
Also, remember that the fewer matches the team played in the more accurate the results!
True story, 1772's OPR is all bad because of how they've played 50+ matches with varying problems being addressed. I like how 4452 is seeded 8th in someone's data. Rookies in the top 8 would be really cool.
AaronLeondar
22-04-2013, 18:43
Looking at OPRs is fun, but they should be taken with a grain of salt.
After all, if matches were determined by the numbers, we wouldn't need to have competitions.
I'll probably be more surprised than anyone if my team manages to go undefeated.
As would I. It would certainly be a step up from going 2-9 in the Portland Regional haha.
z_beeblebrox
22-04-2013, 19:28
On the PRELIMINARY schedule, there is a match with 1114, 610, and 111 on an alliance (against 842). That should be fun to watch.
joelg236
22-04-2013, 19:32
On the PRELIMINARY schedule, there is a match with 1114, 610, and 111 on an alliance (against 842). That should be fun to watch.
How did I possibly miss that? That's crazy, can't wait to watch.
JohnChristensen
22-04-2013, 22:48
On the PRELIMINARY schedule, there is a match with 1114, 610, and 111 on an alliance (against 842). That should be fun to watch.
Ya, that could be the match of the day. We already discussed it a bit a couple pages back, but here is the entire lineup:
Blue:
842: Phoenix Regional Winners, Reveal Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4nHd_bG5dZE)
2481: Wisconsin Regional Finalists, Hanging Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjifzv5Oago)
2512: Midwest Regional Winners, Reveal Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZqM96bJaH4)
Red:
610: BAE Regional Winners, Waterloo Finalists, Finals at BAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvjdNey2IlM&list=PLk5eW4p_ePO8Eg4uaPVYdSlRb_rLXUTtM&index=23)
1114: GTR East Winners, GTR West Winners, Waterloo Winners, GTR East Finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrp0REBetok)
111: Wisconsin Regional Winners, Wisconsin Final-3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVhpIhXilw)
I know that we, 2512, are looking forward to this match. We are expecting it to be a very high-scoring endeavor.
Austin2046
22-04-2013, 23:38
Our (2046's) projected rank is 96th with a record of 1-7-0... we're hoping, with some of the new tricks we've been working on, to do a little bit better than that :P but with matches against 1114, 118, 610, and 1477 to name a few... it seems like the scheduling gods were not smiling upon us. I think we have a decent chance at coming out of quals 5-3-0 though. And there's always that possibility that these Preliminary schedules change... We'll see how it goes :)
Good luck to everyone this week, we'll see you in St. Louis.
Our (2046's) projected rank is 96th with a record of 1-7-0... we're hoping, with some of the new tricks we've been working on, to do a little bit better than that :P but with matches against 1114, 118, 610, and 1477 to name a few... it seems like the scheduling gods were not smiling upon us. I think we have a decent chance at coming out of quals 5-3-0 though. And there's always that possibility that these Preliminary schedules change... We'll see how it goes :)
Good luck to everyone this week, we'll see you in St. Louis.
I hope we end up getting 9 matches and the schedule changes!
-RC
Ya, that could be the match of the day. We already discussed it a bit a couple pages back, but here is the entire lineup:
Blue:
842: Phoenix Regional Winners, Reveal Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4nHd_bG5dZE)
2481: Wisconsin Regional Finalists, Hanging Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjifzv5Oago)
2512: Midwest Regional Winners, Reveal Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZqM96bJaH4)
Red:
610: BAE Regional Winners, Waterloo Finalists, Finals at BAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvjdNey2IlM&list=PLk5eW4p_ePO8Eg4uaPVYdSlRb_rLXUTtM&index=23)
1114: GTR East Winners, GTR West Winners, Waterloo Winners, GTR East Finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrp0REBetok)
111: Wisconsin Regional Winners, Wisconsin Final-3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVhpIhXilw)
I know that we, 2512, are looking forward to this match. We are expecting it to be a very high-scoring endeavor.
Here's our reveal video to round out the preview fun :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtoXDBQhvXI
Also, Wisconsin F-3 is the one where we were unfortunately tipped (don't worry, zombie mode has been added so there's zero chance of that happening again). Wisconsin F-1 and F-2 are much better matches for showcasing 111 and 2481 head-to-head since we're both upright throughout... :)
F-1 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLIJPHtv904
F-2 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82Kvb_e6zY
joelg236
24-04-2013, 15:14
Just finished data crunching. Here's our ranking (matches up with Joe Ross)
2000 ranks 1 QS 16 AP 352.14
610 ranks 2 QS 16 AP 335.34999999999997
1425 ranks 3 QS 16 AP 254.07999999999998
111 ranks 4 QS 14 AP 418.87999999999994
2474 ranks 5 QS 14 AP 400.0
118 ranks 6 QS 14 AP 391.78000000000003
4452 ranks 7 QS 14 AP 378.96999999999997
1114 ranks 8 QS 14 AP 372.9599999999999
1806 ranks 9 QS 14 AP 323.37999999999994
27 ranks 10 QS 14 AP 310.43999999999994
2502 ranks 11 QS 14 AP 295.1
3284 ranks 12 QS 12 AP 378.27
3528 ranks 13 QS 12 AP 375.15999999999997
2648 ranks 14 QS 12 AP 335.73
4069 ranks 15 QS 12 AP 305.33
4579 ranks 16 QS 12 AP 305.19000000000005
2169 ranks 17 QS 12 AP 297.75
4601 ranks 18 QS 12 AP 291.46999999999997
4492 ranks 19 QS 12 AP 289.28
3656 ranks 20 QS 12 AP 288.44
2512 ranks 21 QS 12 AP 265.72999999999996
3189 ranks 22 QS 12 AP 260.17
2338 ranks 23 QS 12 AP 231.56999999999996
4557 ranks 24 QS 12 AP 224.08
1477 ranks 25 QS 10 AP 399.86
1241 ranks 26 QS 10 AP 379.58000000000004
447 ranks 27 QS 10 AP 351.39000000000004
2729 ranks 28 QS 10 AP 343.68
2834 ranks 29 QS 10 AP 321.58000000000004
3641 ranks 30 QS 10 AP 320.56
2907 ranks 31 QS 10 AP 310.55
2337 ranks 32 QS 10 AP 304.32
2481 ranks 33 QS 10 AP 302.46999999999997
329 ranks 34 QS 10 AP 296.7
1732 ranks 35 QS 10 AP 290.05999999999995
2403 ranks 36 QS 10 AP 288.71
1218 ranks 37 QS 10 AP 271.45
245 ranks 38 QS 10 AP 263.84999999999997
4039 ranks 39 QS 8 AP 330.75
4334 ranks 40 QS 8 AP 316.96999999999997
192 ranks 41 QS 8 AP 286.0
2199 ranks 42 QS 8 AP 281.85
2485 ranks 43 QS 8 AP 280.01
4158 ranks 44 QS 8 AP 277.17
4011 ranks 45 QS 8 AP 275.83
2175 ranks 46 QS 8 AP 271.81999999999994
3459 ranks 47 QS 8 AP 268.79
4627 ranks 48 QS 8 AP 268.54999999999995
2341 ranks 49 QS 8 AP 264.82
295 ranks 50 QS 8 AP 260.21999999999997
1726 ranks 51 QS 8 AP 255.83999999999997
1323 ranks 52 QS 8 AP 252.70000000000002
45 ranks 53 QS 8 AP 247.10000000000002
842 ranks 54 QS 8 AP 219.06000000000003
1710 ranks 55 QS 8 AP 210.67
3132 ranks 56 QS 8 AP 206.92
70 ranks 57 QS 6 AP 392.9000000000001
125 ranks 58 QS 6 AP 301.32
1987 ranks 59 QS 6 AP 299.14
2630 ranks 60 QS 6 AP 288.78000000000003
4472 ranks 61 QS 6 AP 288.77
222 ranks 62 QS 6 AP 285.63
1405 ranks 63 QS 6 AP 276.45
4607 ranks 64 QS 6 AP 268.39
1772 ranks 65 QS 6 AP 267.61
1378 ranks 66 QS 6 AP 248.04
1325 ranks 67 QS 6 AP 247.32999999999998
4522 ranks 68 QS 6 AP 229.12
3944 ranks 69 QS 6 AP 223.57000000000002
4641 ranks 70 QS 6 AP 222.11999999999998
744 ranks 71 QS 6 AP 221.41
358 ranks 72 QS 6 AP 213.47
95 ranks 73 QS 6 AP 209.39
3481 ranks 74 QS 6 AP 206.31
4567 ranks 75 QS 6 AP 198.47
4797 ranks 76 QS 6 AP 193.17
3941 ranks 77 QS 6 AP 192.03
337 ranks 78 QS 6 AP 176.82
2809 ranks 79 QS 6 AP 169.83
4541 ranks 80 QS 6 AP 155.59
3018 ranks 81 QS 4 AP 353.45
1912 ranks 82 QS 4 AP 310.22999999999996
422 ranks 83 QS 4 AP 303.04
1629 ranks 84 QS 4 AP 289.67
4026 ranks 85 QS 4 AP 273.53999999999996
1675 ranks 86 QS 4 AP 233.59999999999997
151 ranks 87 QS 4 AP 223.98999999999998
2978 ranks 88 QS 4 AP 222.25
3211 ranks 89 QS 4 AP 222.17999999999998
467 ranks 90 QS 4 AP 206.90000000000003
1086 ranks 91 QS 4 AP 185.24
4502 ranks 92 QS 4 AP 183.11999999999995
1429 ranks 93 QS 2 AP 319.08
1801 ranks 94 QS 2 AP 239.52
4462 ranks 95 QS 2 AP 232.34000000000003
2046 ranks 96 QS 2 AP 211.32000000000002
578 ranks 97 QS 2 AP 202.04
4481 ranks 98 QS 2 AP 190.07000000000002
384 ranks 99 QS 0 AP 256.34999999999997
2259 ranks 100 QS 0 AP 214.72
That's based off of max OPR and max auto OPR.
Here's some interesting data of how OPR of teams affects their rank. (assuming auto OPR stays the same - don't take this too seriously) It uses a range of +/- 30 OPR and when their rank changes, outputs it. (so "2000 ranks 39 when OPR is 33.56411516" means that 2000 with rank 39 until their OPR hits the next rank (35.964115160000034))
2000 ranks 39 when OPR is 33.56411516
2000 ranks 27 when OPR is 35.964115160000034
2000 ranks 14 when OPR is 39.86411516000009
2000 ranks 8 when OPR is 41.06411516000011
2000 ranks 1 when OPR is 41.664115160000115
610 ranks 26 when OPR is 33.0038438
610 ranks 14 when OPR is 38.10384380000007
610 ranks 9 when OPR is 58.40384380000036
610 ranks 2 when OPR is 61.003843800000396
1425 ranks 68 when OPR is 22.09360772
1425 ranks 53 when OPR is 24.493607720000035
1425 ranks 23 when OPR is 27.893607720000084
1425 ranks 11 when OPR is 40.89360772000027
1425 ranks 3 when OPR is 46.293607720000345
111 ranks 40 when OPR is 39.85229065
111 ranks 23 when OPR is 45.852290650000086
111 ranks 11 when OPR is 49.55229065000014
111 ranks 4 when OPR is 52.25229065000018
2474 ranks 23 when OPR is 31.585913050000002
2474 ranks 11 when OPR is 32.68591305000002
2474 ranks 5 when OPR is 43.38591305000017
118 ranks 57 when OPR is 55.628024249999996
118 ranks 40 when OPR is 58.62802425000004
118 ranks 25 when OPR is 64.82802425000007
118 ranks 10 when OPR is 79.62802424999923
118 ranks 6 when OPR is 82.62802424999906
118 ranks 1 when OPR is 90.32802424999862
4452 ranks 26 when OPR is 21.243232550000002
4452 ranks 11 when OPR is 25.24323255000006
4452 ranks 7 when OPR is 44.84323255000034
4452 ranks 1 when OPR is 68.84323255000034
1114 ranks 25 when OPR is 73.8888838
1114 ranks 14 when OPR is 86.38888379999929
1114 ranks 8 when OPR is 89.98888379999909
1114 ranks 1 when OPR is 109.98888379999795
1806 ranks 41 when OPR is 38.80843874
1806 ranks 28 when OPR is 42.80843874000006
1806 ranks 14 when OPR is 54.90843874000023
1806 ranks 9 when OPR is 58.70843874000028
1806 ranks 3 when OPR is 71.90843873999991
27 ranks 92 when OPR is 26.021877170000003
27 ranks 80 when OPR is 30.62187717000007
27 ranks 60 when OPR is 32.22187717000009
27 ranks 42 when OPR is 43.22187717000025
27 ranks 31 when OPR is 43.42187717000025
27 ranks 10 when OPR is 53.02187717000039
2502 ranks 32 when OPR is 27.05802053
2502 ranks 16 when OPR is 29.85802053000004
2502 ranks 11 when OPR is 32.55802053000008
2502 ranks 2 when OPR is 80.85802052999956
3284 ranks 39 when OPR is 22.62419096
3284 ranks 26 when OPR is 28.124190960000078
3284 ranks 12 when OPR is 32.62419096000014
3284 ranks 8 when OPR is 62.82419096000057
3528 ranks 37 when OPR is 12.516632340000001
3528 ranks 26 when OPR is 18.81663234000003
3528 ranks 13 when OPR is 39.816632340000325
3528 ranks 8 when OPR is 44.9166323400004
3528 ranks 1 when OPR is 59.2166323400006
2648 ranks 28 when OPR is 26.53674076
2648 ranks 14 when OPR is 54.236740760000394
2648 ranks 8 when OPR is 58.63674076000046
2648 ranks 2 when OPR is 66.53674076000038
4069 ranks 60 when OPR is 7.737770070000003
4069 ranks 39 when OPR is 15.137770069999977
4069 ranks 31 when OPR is 18.837770070000015
4069 ranks 15 when OPR is 35.43777007000025
4069 ranks 11 when OPR is 62.33777007000063
4579 ranks 59 when OPR is 15.705130570000001
4579 ranks 42 when OPR is 28.105130570000174
4579 ranks 30 when OPR is 29.10513057000019
4579 ranks 16 when OPR is 41.105130570000355
4579 ranks 11 when OPR is 48.805130570000465
2169 ranks 61 when OPR is 42.116631170000005
2169 ranks 41 when OPR is 44.11663117000003
2169 ranks 33 when OPR is 51.51663117000014
2169 ranks 17 when OPR is 57.01663117000022
2169 ranks 12 when OPR is 75.21663116999967
4601 ranks 61 when OPR is 4.422146249999997
4601 ranks 40 when OPR is 16.822146249999967
4601 ranks 34 when OPR is 20.722146250000023
4601 ranks 18 when OPR is 24.522146250000077
4601 ranks 12 when OPR is 54.5221462500005
4492 ranks 61 when OPR is -4.6899325900000015
4492 ranks 40 when OPR is -1.8899325900000017
4492 ranks 35 when OPR is 4.710067409999999
4492 ranks 19 when OPR is 23.81006741000007
4492 ranks 12 when OPR is 28.310067410000133
3656 ranks 40 when OPR is 14.946522340000001
3656 ranks 36 when OPR is 22.44652234000009
3656 ranks 20 when OPR is 29.44652234000019
2512 ranks 50 when OPR is 24.05348687
2512 ranks 37 when OPR is 50.15348687000037
2512 ranks 21 when OPR is 51.9534868700004
2512 ranks 12 when OPR is 76.65348686999985
3189 ranks 67 when OPR is 1.886721399999999
3189 ranks 49 when OPR is 4.2867214
3189 ranks 38 when OPR is 13.686721399999968
3189 ranks 22 when OPR is 29.886721400000155
3189 ranks 12 when OPR is 47.0867214000004
3189 ranks 3 when OPR is 50.986721400000455
2338 ranks 38 when OPR is 18.14507922
2338 ranks 23 when OPR is 28.14507922000014
2338 ranks 12 when OPR is 52.74507922000049
2338 ranks 4 when OPR is 71.9450792200002
4557 ranks 71 when OPR is -12.7786787
4557 ranks 52 when OPR is -11.678678700000004
4557 ranks 38 when OPR is -4.778678700000029
4557 ranks 24 when OPR is -0.2786787000000288
1477 ranks 25 when OPR is 47.50091132
1477 ranks 12 when OPR is 80.3009113199993
1477 ranks 6 when OPR is 91.50091131999866
1241 ranks 57 when OPR is 25.48758944
1241 ranks 37 when OPR is 27.48758944000003
1241 ranks 26 when OPR is 40.18758944000021
1241 ranks 11 when OPR is 69.48758944000024
447 ranks 38 when OPR is 39.44083816
447 ranks 27 when OPR is 66.44083816000021
447 ranks 14 when OPR is 97.54083815999844
2729 ranks 38 when OPR is 34.01600569
2729 ranks 28 when OPR is 42.016005690000114
2729 ranks 14 when OPR is 81.71600568999942
2729 ranks 8 when OPR is 85.5160056899992
2834 ranks 79 when OPR is -0.09771888999999945
2834 ranks 60 when OPR is 10.90228110999998
2834 ranks 39 when OPR is 24.002281110000077
2834 ranks 29 when OPR is 25.402281110000096
2834 ranks 15 when OPR is 32.10228111000019
2834 ranks 9 when OPR is 50.80228111000046
3641 ranks 58 when OPR is 12.049048919999997
3641 ranks 40 when OPR is 18.04904892000001
3641 ranks 30 when OPR is 37.44904892000029
3641 ranks 14 when OPR is 44.449048920000386
3641 ranks 10 when OPR is 60.34904892000061
3641 ranks 3 when OPR is 70.14904892000031
2907 ranks 41 when OPR is 13.709675679999997
2907 ranks 31 when OPR is 19.50967568000004
2907 ranks 15 when OPR is 65.70967568000057
2337 ranks 56 when OPR is 14.01948307
2337 ranks 41 when OPR is 24.31948307000011
2337 ranks 32 when OPR is 41.01948307000035
2337 ranks 17 when OPR is 59.41948307000061
2481 ranks 98 when OPR is 14.423662569999998
2481 ranks 93 when OPR is 17.22366257000001
2481 ranks 82 when OPR is 20.22366257000005
2481 ranks 58 when OPR is 25.523662570000127
2481 ranks 40 when OPR is 25.72366257000013
2481 ranks 33 when OPR is 29.32366257000018
2481 ranks 18 when OPR is 66.42366257000053
329 ranks 40 when OPR is 18.897786170000003
329 ranks 34 when OPR is 22.99778617000006
329 ranks 18 when OPR is 54.79778617000051
329 ranks 10 when OPR is 67.99778617000042
329 ranks 3 when OPR is 68.99778617000037
1732 ranks 60 when OPR is 21.24451493
1732 ranks 40 when OPR is 48.54451493000039
1732 ranks 35 when OPR is 49.744514930000406
1732 ranks 19 when OPR is 78.94451492999976
2403 ranks 62 when OPR is 22.136339239999998
2403 ranks 41 when OPR is 36.83633924000021
2403 ranks 36 when OPR is 47.336339240000356
2403 ranks 19 when OPR is 53.73633924000045
2403 ranks 11 when OPR is 64.83633924000054
1218 ranks 64 when OPR is 36.47548508
1218 ranks 46 when OPR is 45.07548508000012
1218 ranks 37 when OPR is 47.475485080000155
1218 ranks 20 when OPR is 85.47548507999917
245 ranks 38 when OPR is 28.0944712
245 ranks 21 when OPR is 78.79447119999968
245 ranks 11 when OPR is 85.19447119999931
4039 ranks 59 when OPR is 29.08947448
4039 ranks 39 when OPR is 40.18947448000016
4039 ranks 27 when OPR is 76.78947447999977
4039 ranks 15 when OPR is 85.18947447999929
4334 ranks 60 when OPR is 18.58751016
4334 ranks 40 when OPR is 33.08751016000021
4334 ranks 31 when OPR is 53.4875101600005
4334 ranks 17 when OPR is 62.587510160000626
4334 ranks 8 when OPR is 63.78751016000064
192 ranks 93 when OPR is 6.88977448
192 ranks 81 when OPR is 20.289774480000027
192 ranks 63 when OPR is 26.989774480000122
192 ranks 41 when OPR is 32.889774480000206
192 ranks 37 when OPR is 42.98977448000035
192 ranks 21 when OPR is 61.18977448000061
192 ranks 10 when OPR is 61.48977448000061
192 ranks 4 when OPR is 64.98977448000059
2199 ranks 95 when OPR is -2.2905490200000003
2199 ranks 83 when OPR is -0.2905490199999994
2199 ranks 63 when OPR is 0.7094509800000006
2199 ranks 42 when OPR is 8.00945097999999
2199 ranks 37 when OPR is 37.90945098000027
2485 ranks 43 when OPR is 31.015485679999998
2485 ranks 36 when OPR is 65.01548568000041
2485 ranks 21 when OPR is 73.9154856799999
2485 ranks 10 when OPR is 85.31548567999926
4158 ranks 83 when OPR is 7.63915652
4158 ranks 62 when OPR is 31.639156520000192
4158 ranks 44 when OPR is 34.639156520000235
4158 ranks 37 when OPR is 40.63915652000032
4158 ranks 21 when OPR is 43.33915652000036
4011 ranks 83 when OPR is -17.18205289
4011 ranks 63 when OPR is 9.817947109999956
4011 ranks 45 when OPR is 10.517947109999954
4011 ranks 37 when OPR is 16.817947109999945
4011 ranks 21 when OPR is 18.917947109999975
4011 ranks 11 when OPR is 32.617947110000166
2175 ranks 63 when OPR is 22.148068600000002
2175 ranks 46 when OPR is 47.34806860000036
2175 ranks 37 when OPR is 76.04806859999991
2175 ranks 20 when OPR is 79.44806859999971
2175 ranks 9 when OPR is 79.84806859999969
3459 ranks 65 when OPR is -9.84210745
3459 ranks 47 when OPR is 8.957892549999967
3459 ranks 38 when OPR is 22.557892550000034
3459 ranks 20 when OPR is 40.55789255000029
4627 ranks 48 when OPR is -28.530527213
4627 ranks 38 when OPR is 14.169472787000105
2341 ranks 85 when OPR is -5.374075359999999
2341 ranks 66 when OPR is 7.12592463999999
2341 ranks 49 when OPR is 11.825924639999974
2341 ranks 38 when OPR is 41.325924640000316
2341 ranks 22 when OPR is 42.92592464000034
295 ranks 93 when OPR is -1.9644411099999992
295 ranks 85 when OPR is 0.035558890000001425
295 ranks 66 when OPR is 6.635558889999994
295 ranks 50 when OPR is 26.035558890000104
295 ranks 39 when OPR is 32.9355588900002
295 ranks 22 when OPR is 46.8355588900004
1726 ranks 93 when OPR is -0.29725746000000086
1726 ranks 83 when OPR is 7.7027425399999885
1726 ranks 66 when OPR is 11.502742539999975
1726 ranks 51 when OPR is 26.802742540000114
1726 ranks 39 when OPR is 54.0027425400005
1323 ranks 85 when OPR is -6.90524551
1323 ranks 65 when OPR is 2.794754489999993
1323 ranks 52 when OPR is 17.29475448999997
1323 ranks 39 when OPR is 26.194754490000097
45 ranks 83 when OPR is -9.86004887
45 ranks 68 when OPR is 1.4399511299999823
45 ranks 53 when OPR is 14.539951129999947
45 ranks 38 when OPR is 24.839951130000067
842 ranks 89 when OPR is 0.20227158000000145
842 ranks 71 when OPR is 3.2022715800000032
842 ranks 54 when OPR is 19.002271580000006
842 ranks 37 when OPR is 33.30227158000021
842 ranks 25 when OPR is 34.30227158000022
1710 ranks 100 when OPR is -21.254950759
1710 ranks 96 when OPR is -21.054950758999997
1710 ranks 90 when OPR is -15.454950758999928
1710 ranks 73 when OPR is -11.85495075899994
1710 ranks 55 when OPR is -11.554950758999942
3132 ranks 90 when OPR is 8.377755219999997
3132 ranks 72 when OPR is 18.577755220000007
3132 ranks 56 when OPR is 31.977755220000198
3132 ranks 40 when OPR is 58.77775522000058
70 ranks 80 when OPR is 14.016763249999997
70 ranks 57 when OPR is 19.116763250000034
70 ranks 39 when OPR is 46.21676325000042
70 ranks 27 when OPR is 49.91676325000047
70 ranks 11 when OPR is 61.61676325000064
125 ranks 94 when OPR is 21.770258069999997
125 ranks 83 when OPR is 23.770258070000025
125 ranks 58 when OPR is 45.87025807000034
125 ranks 41 when OPR is 54.87025807000047
125 ranks 33 when OPR is 67.3702580700004
125 ranks 17 when OPR is 71.67025807000016
125 ranks 9 when OPR is 76.77025806999987
1987 ranks 93 when OPR is 2.75810929
1987 ranks 83 when OPR is 11.958109289999973
1987 ranks 59 when OPR is 12.95810928999997
1987 ranks 41 when OPR is 53.458109290000486
1987 ranks 34 when OPR is 55.458109290000515
2630 ranks 92 when OPR is 10.314092129999999
2630 ranks 84 when OPR is 16.514092129999987
2630 ranks 60 when OPR is 19.714092130000033
2630 ranks 42 when OPR is 45.01409213000039
2630 ranks 35 when OPR is 51.614092130000486
2630 ranks 19 when OPR is 66.31409213000053
2630 ranks 11 when OPR is 69.31409213000036
4472 ranks 94 when OPR is -11.199265440000001
4472 ranks 84 when OPR is -6.599265440000018
4472 ranks 61 when OPR is -3.0992654400000257
4472 ranks 42 when OPR is 43.80073456000033
222 ranks 84 when OPR is 18.11757041
222 ranks 62 when OPR is 36.917570410000266
222 ranks 42 when OPR is 54.61757041000052
222 ranks 37 when OPR is 63.31757041000064
222 ranks 22 when OPR is 69.01757041000036
1405 ranks 98 when OPR is 6.330168260000001
1405 ranks 94 when OPR is 6.53016826
1405 ranks 84 when OPR is 12.630168259999978
1405 ranks 63 when OPR is 30.33016826000017
1405 ranks 46 when OPR is 41.230168260000326
1405 ranks 36 when OPR is 42.33016826000034
1405 ranks 21 when OPR is 47.63016826000042
4607 ranks 87 when OPR is -21.377253555
4607 ranks 64 when OPR is -15.377253554999927
4607 ranks 50 when OPR is 10.822746445000014
4607 ranks 37 when OPR is 32.922746445000236
1772 ranks 93 when OPR is 5.741978670000002
1772 ranks 85 when OPR is 5.941978670000001
1772 ranks 65 when OPR is 25.641978670000103
1772 ranks 49 when OPR is 52.44197867000048
1772 ranks 38 when OPR is 58.341978670000564
1378 ranks 93 when OPR is -15.5524785
1378 ranks 86 when OPR is -5.552478500000035
1378 ranks 66 when OPR is 8.547521499999949
1378 ranks 53 when OPR is 38.747521500000246
1325 ranks 99 when OPR is -16.751282189999998
1325 ranks 93 when OPR is -2.251282190000029
1325 ranks 86 when OPR is 0.44871780999997213
1325 ranks 67 when OPR is 3.1487178099999737
1325 ranks 52 when OPR is 16.248717809999935
1325 ranks 40 when OPR is 19.748717809999984
1325 ranks 23 when OPR is 33.94871781000018
4522 ranks 96 when OPR is -3.384492420000001
4522 ranks 86 when OPR is 4.015507580000003
4522 ranks 68 when OPR is 16.715507579999972
4522 ranks 54 when OPR is 47.31550758000041
4522 ranks 38 when OPR is 48.11550758000042
4522 ranks 25 when OPR is 54.71550758000051
3944 ranks 96 when OPR is -20.746122304
3944 ranks 87 when OPR is -16.146122303999935
3944 ranks 69 when OPR is 2.853877696000028
3944 ranks 54 when OPR is 13.853877695999994
3944 ranks 39 when OPR is 26.95387769600014
3944 ranks 24 when OPR is 37.35387769600029
4641 ranks 95 when OPR is -13.47390039
4641 ranks 88 when OPR is 3.9260996099999708
4641 ranks 70 when OPR is 13.626099609999937
4641 ranks 54 when OPR is 44.226099610000325
744 ranks 98 when OPR is 1.06083894
744 ranks 95 when OPR is 5.160838939999999
744 ranks 88 when OPR is 10.46083893999998
744 ranks 71 when OPR is 27.060838940000117
744 ranks 55 when OPR is 37.06083894000026
744 ranks 38 when OPR is 37.56083894000027
744 ranks 26 when OPR is 43.760838940000355
358 ranks 95 when OPR is 6.98091075
358 ranks 90 when OPR is 20.38091075000003
358 ranks 72 when OPR is 31.180910750000184
358 ranks 55 when OPR is 38.580910750000285
358 ranks 38 when OPR is 39.08091075000029
358 ranks 24 when OPR is 40.08091075000031
358 ranks 11 when OPR is 55.98091075000053
358 ranks 4 when OPR is 59.08091075000058
95 ranks 100 when OPR is -18.15470921
95 ranks 97 when OPR is -7.854709209999999
95 ranks 88 when OPR is 9.145290789999974
95 ranks 73 when OPR is 9.745290789999972
95 ranks 56 when OPR is 31.945290790000175
95 ranks 39 when OPR is 41.74529079000031
3481 ranks 96 when OPR is -17.304448530000002
3481 ranks 90 when OPR is -13.304448529999993
3481 ranks 74 when OPR is 1.4955514699999768
3481 ranks 57 when OPR is 28.29555147000011
3481 ranks 39 when OPR is 31.495551470000155
3481 ranks 23 when OPR is 35.39555147000021
4567 ranks 100 when OPR is -13.879999999999999
4567 ranks 97 when OPR is -11.880000000000006
4567 ranks 91 when OPR is -2.8800000000000328
4567 ranks 75 when OPR is 2.4199999999999697
4567 ranks 56 when OPR is 19.219999999999974
4567 ranks 40 when OPR is 40.42000000000027
4567 ranks 25 when OPR is 41.12000000000028
4797 ranks 100 when OPR is -3.1872400700000014
4797 ranks 98 when OPR is 21.212759930000036
4797 ranks 90 when OPR is 22.81275993000006
4797 ranks 76 when OPR is 25.312759930000094
4797 ranks 58 when OPR is 42.412759930000334
4797 ranks 38 when OPR is 48.31275993000042
4797 ranks 25 when OPR is 56.71275993000054
3941 ranks 98 when OPR is -2.8312876200000012
3941 ranks 89 when OPR is 12.068712379999974
3941 ranks 77 when OPR is 23.268712380000064
3941 ranks 56 when OPR is 31.268712380000178
3941 ranks 40 when OPR is 40.96871238000031
3941 ranks 23 when OPR is 49.26871238000043
337 ranks 100 when OPR is -21.623876625999998
337 ranks 99 when OPR is -14.223876625999925
337 ranks 92 when OPR is -6.9238766259999505
337 ranks 78 when OPR is 4.476123374000043
337 ranks 56 when OPR is 14.076123374000009
337 ranks 40 when OPR is 19.676123374000053
337 ranks 25 when OPR is 32.27612337400023
2809 ranks 98 when OPR is -12.243434570000002
2809 ranks 92 when OPR is -0.9434345700000281
2809 ranks 79 when OPR is 14.756565429999936
4541 ranks 98 when OPR is -11.198832240000002
4541 ranks 92 when OPR is 13.201167759999946
4541 ranks 80 when OPR is 16.701167759999947
4541 ranks 56 when OPR is 28.80116776000012
4541 ranks 40 when OPR is 31.70116776000016
4541 ranks 24 when OPR is 37.80116776000025
3018 ranks 81 when OPR is 8.298893900000003
3018 ranks 58 when OPR is 49.59889390000045
3018 ranks 40 when OPR is 56.59889390000055
3018 ranks 27 when OPR is 58.09889390000057
1912 ranks 93 when OPR is 2.9571089100000023
1912 ranks 82 when OPR is 30.05710891000016
1912 ranks 59 when OPR is 44.25710891000036
1912 ranks 42 when OPR is 50.55710891000045
1912 ranks 31 when OPR is 53.8571089100005
422 ranks 83 when OPR is 3.364819820000001
422 ranks 58 when OPR is 37.464819820000265
422 ranks 42 when OPR is 58.86481982000057
422 ranks 34 when OPR is 59.46481982000058
422 ranks 16 when OPR is 60.664819820000595
1629 ranks 98 when OPR is 14.33407149
1629 ranks 93 when OPR is 22.434071490000086
1629 ranks 84 when OPR is 22.934071490000093
1629 ranks 60 when OPR is 47.43407149000044
1629 ranks 41 when OPR is 59.734071490000616
1629 ranks 34 when OPR is 68.43407149000042
1629 ranks 20 when OPR is 71.43407149000025
4026 ranks 99 when OPR is -11.03057724
4026 ranks 93 when OPR is -9.930577240000003
4026 ranks 85 when OPR is 15.969422759999938
4026 ranks 65 when OPR is 41.5694227600003
1675 ranks 99 when OPR is -7.182843699999999
1675 ranks 94 when OPR is 0.3171562999999921
1675 ranks 86 when OPR is 8.917156299999977
1675 ranks 67 when OPR is 28.817156300000136
1675 ranks 54 when OPR is 41.61715630000032
1675 ranks 39 when OPR is 43.21715630000034
1675 ranks 23 when OPR is 46.71715630000039
1675 ranks 10 when OPR is 47.4171563000004
151 ranks 95 when OPR is -5.223575629999999
151 ranks 87 when OPR is 12.176424369999973
151 ranks 71 when OPR is 46.87642437000039
151 ranks 53 when OPR is 48.87642437000042
2978 ranks 99 when OPR is -13.34705744
2978 ranks 95 when OPR is 5.452942559999967
2978 ranks 88 when OPR is 12.152942559999943
2978 ranks 69 when OPR is 37.35294256000023
2978 ranks 55 when OPR is 38.65294256000025
2978 ranks 39 when OPR is 45.65294256000035
3211 ranks 99 when OPR is -17.7
3211 ranks 95 when OPR is -12.19999999999999
3211 ranks 89 when OPR is -8.300000000000004
3211 ranks 71 when OPR is 26.100000000000087
3211 ranks 54 when OPR is 27.70000000000011
3211 ranks 37 when OPR is 42.200000000000315
467 ranks 90 when OPR is -28.799910032
467 ranks 74 when OPR is 12.500089968000113
467 ranks 56 when OPR is 14.100089968000107
467 ranks 40 when OPR is 21.900089968000184
1086 ranks 100 when OPR is -16.46570706
1086 ranks 98 when OPR is -0.16570706000003418
1086 ranks 91 when OPR is 8.734292939999952
1086 ranks 77 when OPR is 16.33429293999993
1086 ranks 58 when OPR is 39.534292940000256
4502 ranks 98 when OPR is -9.93218958
4502 ranks 92 when OPR is 15.567810419999944
1429 ranks 99 when OPR is -2.6430045699999987
1429 ranks 93 when OPR is 7.556995429999993
1429 ranks 82 when OPR is 29.456995430000156
1429 ranks 58 when OPR is 37.55699543000027
1429 ranks 41 when OPR is 51.45699543000047
1801 ranks 99 when OPR is -16.58469626
1801 ranks 94 when OPR is -7.384696260000025
1801 ranks 85 when OPR is 19.315303739999973
1801 ranks 67 when OPR is 37.21530374000022
1801 ranks 54 when OPR is 38.91530374000025
4462 ranks 99 when OPR is -15.74981739
4462 ranks 95 when OPR is -9.949817390000021
4462 ranks 87 when OPR is 34.15018261000018
4462 ranks 66 when OPR is 40.250182610000266
4462 ranks 56 when OPR is 40.35018261000027
2046 ranks 100 when OPR is -15.93955485
2046 ranks 96 when OPR is -11.839554850000015
2046 ranks 88 when OPR is 19.760445149999974
2046 ranks 75 when OPR is 41.16044515000028
2046 ranks 52 when OPR is 41.36044515000028
578 ranks 100 when OPR is -19.147276910000002
578 ranks 97 when OPR is -12.94727690999997
578 ranks 90 when OPR is 24.652723090000084
578 ranks 76 when OPR is 38.95272309000028
4481 ranks 100 when OPR is -25.374937411
4481 ranks 98 when OPR is -20.27493741099993
4481 ranks 90 when OPR is 9.225062589000075
4481 ranks 77 when OPR is 27.32506258900021
384 ranks 99 when OPR is -18.161350380000002
384 ranks 94 when OPR is 14.638649619999953
384 ranks 84 when OPR is 15.838649619999948
384 ranks 66 when OPR is 37.33864962000025
384 ranks 52 when OPR is 40.8386496200003
2259 ranks 100 when OPR is -17.327923
2259 ranks 96 when OPR is 14.272076999999946
2259 ranks 89 when OPR is 22.672077000000034
2259 ranks 73 when OPR is 31.772077000000163
2259 ranks 53 when OPR is 32.47207700000017
2259 ranks 36 when OPR is 32.57207700000017
And here's that same data with only possibilities of the top 15 teams.
2000 ranks 14 when OPR is 39.86411516000009
2000 ranks 8 when OPR is 41.06411516000011
2000 ranks 1 when OPR is 41.664115160000115
610 ranks 14 when OPR is 38.10384380000007
610 ranks 9 when OPR is 58.40384380000036
610 ranks 2 when OPR is 61.003843800000396
1425 ranks 11 when OPR is 40.89360772000027
1425 ranks 3 when OPR is 46.293607720000345
111 ranks 11 when OPR is 49.55229065000014
111 ranks 4 when OPR is 52.25229065000018
2474 ranks 11 when OPR is 32.68591305000002
2474 ranks 5 when OPR is 43.38591305000017
118 ranks 10 when OPR is 79.62802424999923
118 ranks 6 when OPR is 82.62802424999906
118 ranks 1 when OPR is 90.32802424999862
4452 ranks 11 when OPR is 25.24323255000006
4452 ranks 7 when OPR is 44.84323255000034
4452 ranks 1 when OPR is 68.84323255000034
1114 ranks 14 when OPR is 86.38888379999929
1114 ranks 8 when OPR is 89.98888379999909
1114 ranks 1 when OPR is 109.98888379999795
1806 ranks 14 when OPR is 54.90843874000023
1806 ranks 9 when OPR is 58.70843874000028
1806 ranks 3 when OPR is 71.90843873999991
27 ranks 10 when OPR is 53.02187717000039
2502 ranks 11 when OPR is 32.55802053000008
2502 ranks 2 when OPR is 80.85802052999956
3284 ranks 12 when OPR is 32.62419096000014
3284 ranks 8 when OPR is 62.82419096000057
3528 ranks 13 when OPR is 39.816632340000325
3528 ranks 8 when OPR is 44.9166323400004
3528 ranks 1 when OPR is 59.2166323400006
2648 ranks 14 when OPR is 54.236740760000394
2648 ranks 8 when OPR is 58.63674076000046
2648 ranks 2 when OPR is 66.53674076000038
4069 ranks 15 when OPR is 35.43777007000025
4069 ranks 11 when OPR is 62.33777007000063
4579 ranks 11 when OPR is 48.805130570000465
2169 ranks 12 when OPR is 75.21663116999967
4601 ranks 12 when OPR is 54.5221462500005
4492 ranks 12 when OPR is 28.310067410000133
2512 ranks 12 when OPR is 76.65348686999985
3189 ranks 12 when OPR is 47.0867214000004
3189 ranks 3 when OPR is 50.986721400000455
2338 ranks 12 when OPR is 52.74507922000049
2338 ranks 4 when OPR is 71.9450792200002
1477 ranks 12 when OPR is 80.3009113199993
1477 ranks 6 when OPR is 91.50091131999866
1241 ranks 11 when OPR is 69.48758944000024
447 ranks 14 when OPR is 97.54083815999844
2729 ranks 14 when OPR is 81.71600568999942
2729 ranks 8 when OPR is 85.5160056899992
2834 ranks 15 when OPR is 32.10228111000019
2834 ranks 9 when OPR is 50.80228111000046
3641 ranks 14 when OPR is 44.449048920000386
3641 ranks 10 when OPR is 60.34904892000061
3641 ranks 3 when OPR is 70.14904892000031
2907 ranks 15 when OPR is 65.70967568000057
329 ranks 10 when OPR is 67.99778617000042
329 ranks 3 when OPR is 68.99778617000037
2403 ranks 11 when OPR is 64.83633924000054
245 ranks 11 when OPR is 85.19447119999931
4039 ranks 15 when OPR is 85.18947447999929
4334 ranks 8 when OPR is 63.78751016000064
192 ranks 10 when OPR is 61.48977448000061
192 ranks 4 when OPR is 64.98977448000059
2485 ranks 10 when OPR is 85.31548567999926
4011 ranks 11 when OPR is 32.617947110000166
2175 ranks 9 when OPR is 79.84806859999969
70 ranks 11 when OPR is 61.61676325000064
125 ranks 9 when OPR is 76.77025806999987
2630 ranks 11 when OPR is 69.31409213000036
358 ranks 11 when OPR is 55.98091075000053
358 ranks 4 when OPR is 59.08091075000058
1675 ranks 10 when OPR is 47.4171563000004
So that means these teams have the potential to be in the top 15:
2000
610
1425
111
2474
118
4452
1114
1806
27
2502
3284
3528
2648
4069
4579
2169
4601
4492
2512
3189
2338
1477
1241
447
2729
2834
3641
2907
329
2403
245
4039
4334
192
2485
4011
2175
70
125
2630
358
1675
That's 43 teams!
JohnFogarty
24-04-2013, 18:21
In other news. We'll see what happens tomorrow.
Cody Burd
25-04-2013, 14:54
1114 just lost
Joe Ross
25-04-2013, 14:59
What was the announcement about scoring changes?
Cody Burd
25-04-2013, 15:01
The scores of the first 5 matches were fixed because they were miscounted. The only match which the outcome was different was match 3 in which the blue alliance actually won
The scores of the first 5 matches were fixed because they were miscounted. The only match which the outcome was different was match 3 in which the blue alliance actually won
So when are they going to change the official scores?
Rynocorn
25-04-2013, 15:25
I believe that they have because blue is now listed as winning match 3
LeelandS
25-04-2013, 19:29
What was the announcement about scoring changes?
After asking the referee and FTA about this (we were in match 3 where the outcome changed and we were confused as to why we suddenly ranked as though we'd lost), we were told that there was some miscommunication between the two scoring tables, resulting in the autonomous points being counted twice. They figured this out and adjusted the scores as necessary.
Joe Ross
25-04-2013, 19:43
After asking the referee and FTA about this (we were in match 3 where the outcome changed and we were confused as to why we suddenly ranked as though we'd lost), we were told that there was some miscommunication between the two scoring tables, resulting in the autonomous points being counted twice. They figured this out and adjusted the scores as necessary.
That doesn't seem right. Here is the original FMS tweet for galileo match 3
#FRCGalileo TY Q MC 3 RF 94 BF 92 RA 2000 3528 1405 BA 1801 2502 2338 RC 20 BC 20 RFP 3 BFP 3 RAS 42 BAS 22 RTS 29 BTS 47
This shows a Red Autonomous score of 42 and a Blue Autonomous score of 22. It shows a Final score of Red 94 and Blue 92. The current match results show a final score of Red 73, Blue 81, which does show that they removed half of the auto scores. However, that means that Red scored 21 in Auto and Blue scored 11 in Auto. It is impossible to have odd scores in Auto, as each of the three possibilities are even (6, 4, or 2).
Either the original Auto score was correct, or something else was wrong. Cutting the Auto scores in half was definitely wrong.
TheMadCADer
25-04-2013, 20:33
Either the original Auto score was correct, or something else was wrong. Cutting the Auto scores in half was definitely wrong.
You may be on to something. The match results page and the standings page are 404'ing for me, but not on other fields. Possibly a change being made.
KingRandy
25-04-2013, 21:25
Getting our asses handed to us...currently 0-3 :(
PayneTrain
25-04-2013, 22:29
Don't like the predictions? Go out and prove them wrong :)
Ok.
Dreams2Reality
26-04-2013, 05:30
That doesn't seem right. Here is the original FMS tweet for galileo match 3
This shows a Red Autonomous score of 42 and a Blue Autonomous score of 22. It shows a Final score of Red 94 and Blue 92. The current match results show a final score of Red 73, Blue 81, which does show that they removed half of the auto scores. However, that means that Red scored 21 in Auto and Blue scored 11 in Auto. It is impossible to have odd scores in Auto, as each of the three possibilities are even (6, 4, or 2).
Either the original Auto score was correct, or something else was wrong. Cutting the Auto scores in half was definitely wrong.
The corrected stats were not retweeted. However, the Match Results page on the FIRST webpage does reflect the corrected match totals. As was announced, only the first 5 matches were adjusted for this problem. When I recomputed the stats, cutting the AP points in halve as originally reported, I was able to tie to the adjusted match totals.
So when are they going to change the official scores?
BUT....I also discovered that none of those reduced AP amounts have been applied to the Team Standings page. This means that there are a lot of teams that have less AP than they think when the judges correct this. What's more, my analysis has also led me to think at least one of the original AP figures was correct, AND if this is true it would possibly render the match a tie. I am going to attempt to discuss my findings with officials first thing in the morning.
RufflesRidge
26-04-2013, 07:08
The auto discs were counted both as auto discs and teleop discs (the number entered for teleop was the total discs in the goal). This is why the AP was unchanged after the scores were corrected.
The webcast and updates from Galileo are having issues.
1. There was no audio for the 1st 10 matches Friday morning.
2. The 4FX match results (http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Galileo/matchresults.html) have not been updated with any Friday matches (as of match 62)
3. The realtime score banner on the webcast is being omitted from multiple matches.
4. the match results match from champs page (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/championship-event?id=432) goes to 404
Hopefully someone who is at the event, can ask the field crew to help fix a few of these issues.
Does anybody know why the scores aren't updating for Galileo on the USFIRST website?
Joe Ross
26-04-2013, 12:05
3. The realtime score banner on the webcast is being omitted from multiple matches.
To make up for it, it's showing the real-time score during the commercials ;)
MasterChief1732
26-04-2013, 12:43
The webcast and updates from Galileo are having issues.
1. There was no audio for the 1st 10 matches Friday morning.
2. The 4FX match results (http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Galileo/matchresults.html) have not been updated with any Friday matches (as of match 62)
3. The realtime score banner on the webcast is being omitted from multiple matches.
4. the match results match from champs page (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/championship-event?id=432) goes to 404
Hopefully someone who is at the event, can ask the field crew to help fix a few of these issues.
I am having the same issues as well. The Match results page (when it does load) is only updated to Friday's matches, same with the rankings. Seems rather odd...
CLandrum3081
26-04-2013, 13:16
I'm having the same problem as well. Results on the FIRST website and on FRC Spyder update for all the other divisions, but have been spotty for Galileo. :mad:
The 404 error on the link from the Championship page is due to an extra space in the URL.
Correct match results url:
http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Galileo/matchresults.html
Incorrect URL from Championship page:
http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Galileo/matchresults.html%20
That doesn't directly explain why the results aren't being updated, but it does make me wonder if there's a similar typo in the script or whatever that's supposed to be posting the results...
-Steve Tarr
Mentor, team 1425
...And I now see that the match results are up to date. I guess someone found the problem and fixed it during the lunch break.
Thank you, whoever you are!
-Steve Tarr
mentor, team 1425
The 404 error on the link from the Championship page is due to an extra space in the URL.
Correct match results url:
http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Galileo/matchresults.html
Incorrect URL from Championship page:
http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Galileo/matchresults.html%20
That doesn't directly explain why the results aren't being updated, but it does make me wonder if there's a similar typo in the script or whatever that's supposed to be posting the results...
-Steve Tarr
Mentor, team 1425
And now both are down!
Dave Scheck
26-04-2013, 14:58
I'm having the same problem as well. Results on the FIRST website and on FRC Spyder update for all the other divisions, but have been spotty for Galileo. :mad:The FRC Spyder server gets its data from the FIRST server, so if the FIRST server isn't updating properly, then there will be the inconsistent data in the app. The app is working fine, unfortunately it's just not getting able to get the data that it needs for Galileo. FIRST is aware that there is a problem. We'll see when it gets resolved.
MasterChief1732
26-04-2013, 15:25
Its killing me not knowing the rankings! I have to watch the feed very carefully just to see the match results...
Joe Ross
26-04-2013, 15:29
I have to watch the feed very carefully just to see the match results...
The match results are still being tweeted. https://twitter.com/frcfms
Feroz1325
26-04-2013, 15:40
The page is back up: http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/events/Galileo/matchresults.html
The results and rankings seem to be back up and were just updated to match 85. I hope it keeps working!
118 just won their match and guaranteed themselves the #1 seed.
QF4-1: Redabot1 pushes Blueabot1 into Blueabot2 who is climbing. Blueabot2 falls off the tower.
Penalty? Refs said no. I feel like it should be a 30pt climb+tfoul.
Abhishek R
27-04-2013, 14:04
On another note, the 1241, 610, 1477 QF-2 was really exciting, with both alliances scoring over 200 points. Who knows what the third match will bring? It seems like traffic is going to become a problem.
SF 1-1.
43 fouls points for red. Did anyone hear what they were for?
TheMadCADer
27-04-2013, 15:08
SF 1-1.
43 fouls points for red. Did anyone hear what they were for?
G30 preventing a climb, both times it seems. 1114 awarded full 30 point climb as well.
AaronLeondar
27-04-2013, 15:27
So many high-profile matches lost because of Technical Fouls...
WOW! Team 610 heads to the finals! Ontario and the Lone Star state looking for Einstein!
Amazing play and hats off to all the teams!
Congrats to Crescent School and Team 610!
Joe Ross
27-04-2013, 16:12
I think it's time for the feather boas to come back
1241, 1477, and 610 are heading to Einstein!
Gaurav27
27-04-2013, 16:22
1241, 1477, and 610 are heading to Einstein!
What a ride it was! 3 Quarterfinal Matches, then 3 Semifinal Matches (Texas & Ontario bracket) Thank you to all the Canadian teams watching and supporting Canada :)
Einstein here we come!
Wow, that was completely unexpected. I was definitely expecting 2169's alliance to win that one.
Congrats to 610, 1241, 1477 on an awesome win.
Hmm...Galileo match results aren't loading on FRC's site...a 404 error. Good thing I'm also watching Twitter and know how it turned out!
Hmm...Galileo match results aren't loading on FRC's site...a 404 error. Good thing I'm also watching Twitter and know how it turned out!
Try again, they're working fine for me.
Robby Unruh
27-04-2013, 16:53
Hmm...Galileo match results aren't loading on FRC's site...a 404 error. Good thing I'm also watching Twitter and know how it turned out!
Congratulations on the win ;)
Try again, they're working fine for me.
Nope... http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/Events/Galileo/matchresults.html%20
Nope... http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/Events/Galileo/matchresults.html%20
Take out the %20 at the end of the url. It'll work.
shrkeatsman
27-04-2013, 18:58
so now that the battle is all said and done. Dose anyone know of a place where i can find all the matches recorded from our field? if so could you please link me to it thank you so much
LeelandS
27-04-2013, 22:38
QF4-1: Redabot1 pushes Blueabot1 into Blueabot2 who is climbing. Blueabot2 falls off the tower.
Penalty? Refs said no. I feel like it should be a 30pt climb+tfoul.
I agree with this. While it's not written in black and white as a foul, I felt it would make sense to call this as interfering with an oponents climb.
I agree with this. While it's not written in black and white as a foul, I felt it would make sense to call this as interfering with an oponents climb.
No, it's not specifically called out as a foul. I can't think of a way to call it as one, either. UNLESS... you could make the argument, somehow, that the transitory property ascribed to the Pinning rule (that is, if there's an object between pinner and pinnee, it's still a pin) also applies to contact with a robot attempting to climb its tower. That would be the only way to even have a chance at calling it, unless someone can dig up a Q&A that says otherwise.
Now, that doesn't seem quite right--after all, they're still interfering with a climb--but that's the way it works.
Galileo! What a great division! Rubber matches in nearly every level of eliminations, then taking it to Einstein for rubber matches at both Semi's and Finals. Great job to all the teams!
Galileo 2013: We don't stop playing until we get a rubber match.
LeelandS
28-04-2013, 03:23
No, it's not specifically called out as a foul. I can't think of a way to call it as one, either. UNLESS... you could make the argument, somehow, that the transitory property ascribed to the Pinning rule (that is, if there's an object between pinner and pinnee, it's still a pin) also applies to contact with a robot attempting to climb its tower. That would be the only way to even have a chance at calling it, unless someone can dig up a Q&A that says otherwise.
Now, that doesn't seem quite right--after all, they're still interfering with a climb--but that's the way it works.
I guess you could say the transitive property applies here. Though I wouldn't term it like that. While red1 is pushing blue1, blue1's movements are a direct response to red1's actions. When blue1 bumped blue2 during their climb, causing them to fall, it was a result of red1 actions. Red1 should be held responsible. It's a gray area in the rules, but it seems to me a judgement call should have been made to penalize red1's actions.
The point is more or less moot, as I don't believe a 30pt climb + tech foul would have changed the outcome of the match; still, I think it should have been made clear that it was not an okay move.
Joon Park
29-04-2013, 20:31
so now that the battle is all said and done. Dose anyone know of a place where i can find all the matches recorded from our field? if so could you please link me to it thank you so much
I videoed SF Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9EgWk8MCys&feature=youtu.be), the final match for Simbotics. I wonder how things would have turned out if they had beaten the world champions with that 30 point climb.
QF4-1: Redabot1 pushes Blueabot1 into Blueabot2 who is climbing. Blueabot2 falls off the tower.
Penalty? Refs said no. I feel like it should be a 30pt climb+tfoul.
I thought it should be a penalty when I saw it, but the situation doesn't seem to be accounted for in the rulebook. It definitely looked like a penalty, but in FRC if it looks like a penalty and smells like a penalty, well, unfortunately it might not be.
Louisiana Jones
29-04-2013, 21:02
I thought it should be a penalty when I saw it, but the situation doesn't seem to be accounted for in the rulebook. It definitely looked like a penalty, but in FRC if it looks like a penalty and smells like a penalty, well, unfortunately it might not be.
We also thought it should have been a penalty because we thought redbot1 pushing bluebot1 into the pyramid would have been a penalty for contacting a robot that was contacting its pyramid, but I was told by some teammates who rewatched the video that bluebot1 never actually hit the pyramid, so there wouldn't have been a penalty for that.... Seems to me like it was a great defensive play....
FWIW, the eventual 2013 World Champion alliance (Galileo #5) played the most matches possible in order to win. 610, 1241, and 1477 played their 8 Qualification matches, and then played 15 Elimination matches (9 on Galileo, 6 on Einstein), going to 3 in each set.
indubitably
30-04-2013, 10:40
FWIW, the eventual 2013 World Champion alliance (Galileo #5) played the most matches possible in order to win. 610, 1241, and 1477 played their 8 Qualification matches, and then played 15 Elimination matches (9 on Galileo, 6 on Einstein), going to 3 in each set.
They actually only played 14 elimination matches, the Finals of Galileo didn't go to a rubber match. I thought the same thing as you though because the automatic scoring in the second match of finals showed them losing by a significant margin, but they ended up winning regardless. My mind just assumed that it went to a third match or something.
Aren Siekmeier
30-04-2013, 21:19
They actually only played 14 elimination matches, the Finals of Galileo didn't go to a rubber match. I thought the same thing as you though because the automatic scoring in the second match of finals showed them losing by a significant margin, but they ended up winning regardless. My mind just assumed that it went to a third match or something.
They also beat us in only two matches in the finals on Galileo, making that only 13 total.
Edit: Nevermind, I should actually read before posting...
indubitably
30-04-2013, 21:26
They also beat us in only two matches in the finals on Galileo, making that only 13 total.
That is what I was referring to, still totals out to 14.
Galileo:
3 quarters
3 semis
2 finals
Einstein:
3 semis
3 finals
Total: 14
That is what I was referring to, still totals out to 14.
Galileo:
3 quarters
3 semis
2 finals
Einstein:
3 semis
3 finals
Total: 14
All this and a practice match on Einstein=a whole lotta batteries.
mildew999
30-04-2013, 21:39
Congrats to our Minnesota brothers and sisters King TeC 2169 and Fighting Calculators 2175, along with Laser Robotics 3284 out of Camdenton, Missouri for making it to the finals in Galileo.
Additionally, King TeC, thanks for picking up our flag :) . We'll see you and Fighting Calculators at State.
-- KnightKrawler, Team 2052.
superbotman
01-05-2013, 11:43
Thank you, and no problem.
robotsfan
08-05-2013, 09:01
There were some intense matches in the elimination rounds. Does anybody have full court videos showing all the action at once they could post?
You can find elimination games that alliance #5 - 1241/1477/610 were involved in on Team 610's youtube channel - 2013 champs playlist (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk5eW4p_ePO89-hbHXVJk9vkf2ll8hk2s).
[thanks, Adrian Chan]
nick_sheets
17-05-2013, 02:06
Does anyoen have all the matches for galileo?
Thanks!
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