View Full Version : Make your Champs predictions!
Jay O'Donnell
17-04-2013, 18:27
Hey CD,
As you all obviously know, divisions came out today, so I thought it would be fun for everyone to make predictions and to see if anyone can guess the winning alliance! Rules: you must state your three teams of the winning alliance from each division and then state your Einstein winning Alliance.
Here are mine:
Archimedes:254, 987, 78
Curie:67, 2056, 4564
Galileo:1114, 118, 3481
Newton:1986, 195, 217
Curie beats Archimedes
Galileo beats Newton
Galileo beats Curie in the finals for the second straight year
Have fun with this!
Edit: I'm obviously horrible at picking upsets :p
I predict that a tornado won't hit the Jones Dome.
jbsmithtx
17-04-2013, 18:30
Agree with most of that... No 148 for Curie?
Newton and Galileo will be an awesome set of matches...
Jay O'Donnell
17-04-2013, 18:35
Agree with most of that... No 148 for Curie?
I have them as alliance captains of the 2nd seed with 1717 and 230.
Archimedes: 469, 987, 1714(1st seed)
Curie: 2056, 148, 4564(1st seed)
Galileo: 1114, 1477, 2338(2nd seed)
Newton: 1986, 195, 2789(1st seed)
A vs C = A
G vs N = N
A vs N = A
First time since 2006 that Archimedes wins the big one with 469, 987, 1714.
Dominick Ferone
17-04-2013, 19:08
Any predictions about 353
Anupam Goli
17-04-2013, 19:09
Archimedes: 254-469-2415 (I can hope, can't I?)
Galileo: 118-1114-4334 (2/3 of the Eh team, called the e team)
Newton: 1986-1538-4451 (This division is a tossup)
Curie: 2056-67-3489 (the most reasonable of these picks).
Let's see how wrong I am.
Archimedes:
469-254-314
Curie:
2056-67-968
Galileo:
118-1114-2809
Newton
1986-1538-190
A d. C 3 matches
G d. N
A d. G 3 matches.
CrazyMohawk
17-04-2013, 19:42
Newton= 1986 2471 ????
Steven Donow
17-04-2013, 19:44
I predict that a tornado won't hit the Jones Dome.
You know things must be bad when you see the safety judges run out of their seats in the crowd...
Anyway, to make a bold, edgy prediction: 2056 will not be number one seed in their division.
At most, 2/4 of the Einstein alliances will have a Full Court Shooter
Archimedes: 254-469-840
Curie: 67-2056-2168
Newton: 1986-225-1511
Galileo: 118-1114-125
Archimedes beats Curie
Galileo beats Newton
Galileo beats Archimedes
These alliances are so closely matched, especially in auton and climb points, and I'm seeing the difference being made simply because the alliances which rely on fcs are getting blocked.
PayneTrain
17-04-2013, 20:04
Galileo v. Archimedes will go to a third match.
That's all I got. Picking teams makes me seem like a silly fanboy.
JohnSchneider
17-04-2013, 20:05
Galileo: 118-1114-4334 (2/3 of the Eh team, called the e team)
With Texas in there I think it'd be "howd-eh"
efoote868
17-04-2013, 20:07
With Texas in there I think it'd be "howd-eh"
What is this, I don't even :D
EricLeifermann
17-04-2013, 20:11
My prediction is no pure FCS will be on Einstein(I've said this since week 1). Teams will need to be more flexible in where they shoot from if they want to make it past division elims.
NotaJoke
17-04-2013, 20:15
My prediction is no pure FCS will be on Einstein(I've said this since week 1). Teams will need to be more flexible in where they shoot from if they want to make it past division elims.
I think the right pure full court shooter could definitely make it to Einstein as a third robot to a high alliance. I think you're correct about them being ineffective as the main scorer to an alliance, but as a defensive magnet, I think the FCS role is a viable strategy (assuming they aren't too top heavy, and can be consistent with their hang points).
My prediction is that all four einstien alliances will have at least one robot capable of full court shooting (EG. A987/469, G118, C67, N225/2826).
Jay O'Donnell
17-04-2013, 20:15
Galileo v. Archimedes will go to a third match.
That's all I got. Picking teams makes me seem like a silly fanboy.
Are you saying that being a silly fan boy is a problem? ;)
Also, Einstein finals haven't gone to 3 matches since 2007 i believe, just an interesting fact.
Hey, so this is our team's first time at champs and I'm just trying to figure out how intense the competition is....
Anyone know 'bout where a 3 or 4 cycle pyramid shooter with a 10 point hang and 18 pt auto would rank ??? (That looks to be the average elims bot to me)
I think the right pure full court shooter could definitely make it to Einstein as a third robot to a high alliance. I think you're correct about them being ineffective as the main scorer to an alliance, but as a defensive magnet, I think the FCS role is a viable strategy (assuming they aren't too top heavy, and can be consistent with their hang points).
My prediction is that all four einstien alliances will have at least one robot capable of full court shooting (EG. A987/469, G118, C67, N225/2826).
Agreed, however, the right full court shooter with the right counter-defender can be a devestating combination. Don't count out full court shooters as point scorers yet!
sammyjalex
17-04-2013, 21:09
A: 254/987/694 over 33/469
C: 67/2056/3539 over 1717/148
G: 1114/610/1241 over 118/111
N: 1986/341/175 over 1538/2054
C over A
G over N
C over G in 3
hiyou102
17-04-2013, 21:12
My prediction is no pure FCS will be on Einstein(I've said this since week 1). Teams will need to be more flexible in where they shoot from if they want to make it past division elims.
I beg to differ. I think a team like 948 could be a pure full court based on how good they are at full courting. Of course, being able to cycle like 1806 wouldn't hurt either.
MrForbes
17-04-2013, 21:18
Anyone know 'bout where a 3 or 4 cycle pyramid shooter with a 10 point hang and 18 pt auto would rank ??? (That looks to be the average elims bot to me)
We have a robot like that....I figure we have a 50-50 chance of getting into elims, and a 1 in 8 chance of winning division, if we get to play.
233pinkfan
17-04-2013, 21:23
233,16,67
jbsmithtx
17-04-2013, 21:38
Does anyone else think that the number of discs may be a problem in Einstein? Some of those robots throw out a lot of discs, and especially if an alliance is running a FCS as a backup. Will teams be picking up a lot of discs?
iVanDuzer
17-04-2013, 21:52
Archimedes: 469 seeds second behind 254, grabs 33 and 51 one their way to creating the first Michigan alliance since 2009. Win the finals against 987 and 254 in 3.
Curie: 2056 seeds first despite losing one late Saturday. Picks up 67 and 968 as a powerful linebacker. It's tricky, but they squeeze past 1310 in the semis and 1717 in the finals en route to the division title.
Galileo: 1241 seeds first thanks to a lucky schedule and their multi-disc auto. 1114 turns down their invite and picks 111 and 2337 from the 3rd seed. End up beating the number 8 alliance in the finals en route to Einstein.
Newton: 1986 seeds first and plows through elims with 1538 and 2194. 341 gives them a run in the finals as the 6th seed with 2826 and 217, but the Thunderchickens' lack of a climb costs their alliance in the end.
Einstein
Archimedes takes the first match, but limited FCS defence allows 968 to pin down 469. In the end, Archimedes loses to Curie's climb and dump, even though they lead after auto all three matches.
In a match this tight, it's all about the dump. Galileo ekes out the win over Newton in two matches, but only wins by 10 points each time.
Curie vs Galileo, and the only thing that's certain is Dave Verbugge's epic speeches. 968 manages to box out the beastly drivetrain of 2337, letting 67 unleash a barrage of unblocked full court threes. 2056 switches between scooping up the (few) misses and playing interference on 111. Last second dumps keep it close, but Curie wins in 2 matches. The Curie Curse is broken, HOT joins Hammond in the 4-wins club, everybody stops asking where the old RAWK went, and 2056's drive team is actually spotted smiling (I kid... mostly)
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I think the only predictions that will be proven right are that 1114 and 67 will be the number one selections of the draft in Galileo and Curie, respectively.
I'll also predict that even if my alliances are way off, there will be at least one Canadian team on Einstein and at least 3 in the four division finals.
My prediction for champs: 1114, 118, 2169
469/254/11
Ground pickup, climb, and cycling
AlecMataloni
17-04-2013, 22:07
WildStang joins Hammond in the 4-wins club
Fixed that for you ;)
We can't just let our friends on 67 tie Hammond's record first, now can we?
:D
Ouch. This thread is really not Curie friendly...even with the likes of HOT and OP, they still think the curse lives on.
JohnFogarty
17-04-2013, 22:54
1114, 118/111/610, Third Pick is a Toss-Up...there is no way 4334 would be left over if 1114 is first seed.
All i have to say is that any ground pickup team will have a solid feeder station bot that make 4-6 trips every match
1114, 118/111/610, Third Pick is a Toss-Up...there is no way 4334 would be left over if 1114 is first seed.
I really doubt 1114 will seed first, given their cap at 18 points in auto. I'd love to see them prove me wrong.
Abhishek R
17-04-2013, 23:20
I'm definitely betting on 118 seeding first as they nail that 7 disk auto basically every time, also they're tele-op scores have an incredibly high ceiling which should put them undefeated except for one loss given a decent schedule. Their ground-pickup and 7 disk auto greatly complements 1114's climb and dump and feeder rounds, though they will be seeded 4 or less. A third bot would most likely be a FCS-blocker that, if there's any left, does either one of the following: 1. Climb 30, or 2. Gets 3-disk auto and hangs 10.
Anupam Goli
17-04-2013, 23:22
I'm definitely betting on 118 seeding first as they nail that 7 disk auto basically every time, also they're tele-op scores have an incredibly high ceiling which should put them undefeated except for one loss given a decent schedule. Their ground-pickup and 7 disk auto greatly complements 1114's climb and dump and feeder rounds, though they will be seeded 4 or less. A third bot would most likely be a FCS-blocker that, if there's any left, does either one of the following: 1. Climb 30, or 2. Gets 3-disk auto and hangs 10.
1114 and 118 will have targets on their back. If either has a bad match or loses well fought battles, I'd expect 1477 to take the cake in regards to 1st seed.
stephenmcd71
17-04-2013, 23:23
Archimedes: 987 seeds first picks 254 and 1714, plays in finals against the 2nd seed 469,33,71......987,254,1714 advance to Einstein in 3 hard fought matches while creating the new national high score of 285.
Curie: 2056 seeds first picks picks 67 and 2168 plays in finals against 1717 148 and 2383. number one alliance wins in 2 matches.
Galileo: 610 seeds first with a great performance and schedule, they pick the 3rd seed 1114 and 4334 to start the new EH Team they face #3 seed 1241,111,125 to win and advance to Einstein with the new EH Team.
Newton: 1986 seeds first and picks 1538 and 217. and faces 341,2826, and 190 in finals. Contrary to some believes 217 climb works to perfection and becomes the steal of the alliance selection. With the a long hard 3 matches 1986,1538,217 is too much firepower for 341,2826,and 190 to handle.
Einstein
With one of the best showings of teams a lot is on the line for 67 to join the 4 championship club and try to break the curse,and an all Canada team fights to show the world that Canada is where the title of 2013 World Champions belongs.
Curie (2056,67,2168) defeat Archimedes (987,254,1714) in two quick matches,showing everyone the Curie curse is ready to be broken.
Galileo (610,1114,4334) defeats Newton(1986,1538,217) in three very tough matches
Galileo vs Curie in finals: OH CANADA!!!!!!!!!
Through three matches the Eh Team takes the title of World Champions to Canada.
The curse remains alive in the Curie Division.
BEST OF LUCK TO ALL TEAMS AT CHAMPIONSHIPS. REMEMBER TO PLAY YOUR GAME AND IF THAT WORKS ALL SHOULD GO WELL. YOU WILL WIN YOUR FAIR SHARE AND HOPEFULLY PLAY AFTER LUNCH ON SATURDAY.
Any predictions about 353
353 will not be as lucky with the schedule in St. Louis as they were at Hofstra.
Walter Deitzler
17-04-2013, 23:36
I predict that a tornado won't hit the Jones Dome.
Sorry, but you never know in St. Louis...
stephenmcd71
17-04-2013, 23:41
Sorry, but you never know in St. Louis...
TORNADO ALLEY and huge hail hope it is not like last year.......i think that parking garage is gonna fill really fast.
Walter Deitzler
17-04-2013, 23:47
TORNADO ALLEY and huge hail hope it is not like last year.......i think that parking garage is gonna fill really fast.
As we say around here: "Don't like the weather? Wait 24 hours!"
As we say around here: "Don't like the weather? Wait 24 hours!"
More like "Wait 5 minutes!"
stephenmcd71
17-04-2013, 23:57
As we say around here: "Don't like the weather? Wait 24 hours!"
Ohh believe me I know that live in Indiana the Midwest is home to the most bipolar random weather ever it can be snowing one day then amazing the next day
efoote868
18-04-2013, 00:06
Archimedes: 987 seeds first picks 254 and 1714, plays in finals against the 2nd seed 469,33,71......987,254,1714 advance to Einstein in 3 hard fought matches while creating the new national high score of 285.
I know Archimedes is deep, but I doubt it'll be deep enough for 71 to go as a 2nd pick. Even with near perfect scouting, teams with a reputation like Hammond rarely go last.
stephenmcd71
18-04-2013, 00:13
I know Archimedes is deep, but I doubt it'll be deep enough for 71 to go as a 2nd pick. Even with near perfect scouting, teams with a reputation like Hammond rarely go last.
I understand that was rethinking it, we were the 14th pick in Wisconsin but things could change could maybe even be pickers ya never know i guess i was just hoping to play with them would be a good alliance.
Sidenote: looking forward to playing with you guys May 18th at the Indiana state tournament you guys have an amazing shooter
themccannman
18-04-2013, 00:30
I'm really curious how the top seeds are going to pick their alliances. Aside from 1986, and 1114 most of the top tier teams in each division are ground pick-up robots and most alliances with 2 ground pick up bots don't do very well unless one of them can also grab frisbees from the feeder station. It looks like the top seeded teams are going to have to choose between a double ground pick up alliance with another powerful robot, or a less offensively powerful robot with feeder station pick up.
Galileo: 1114, 118, 2630
You all know 1114 and 118, but 2630 is the key for this alliance.
They will upgrade every alliance. Their robot, Spitfire is one of the accurate FCS in the Championship. With very skilled drivers and great shooter, they also can play cycles very well.
Newton: 1986, 1538, 3339.
1986 with 7 discs autonomous and very fast cycles, 1538 with good ground pick up, and 3339 as a 3rd robot with a very effective 50 points climb& dump.
TheMadCADer
18-04-2013, 05:28
I'm really curious how the top seeds are going to pick their alliances. Aside from 1986, and 1114 most of the top tier teams in each division are ground pick-up robots and most alliances with 2 ground pick up bots don't do very well unless one of them can also grab frisbees from the feeder station. It looks like the top seeded teams are going to have to choose between a double ground pick up alliance with another powerful robot, or a less offensively powerful robot with feeder station pick up.
As a couple others have stated, it seems unlikely that 1114 will seed first, as long as their own autonomous points are capped at 18 (unless they add a magic weightless floor pickup, which I could actually see them doing). A good 7-disc autonomous team (the best on Galileo are probably the two from Texas that do it) should be able to finish with the same record as them, but more autonomous points.
Craig Roys
18-04-2013, 07:50
Newton: 1986 seeds first and picks 1538 and 217. and faces 341,2826, and 190 in finals. Contrary to some believes 217 climb works to perfection and becomes the steal of the alliance selection. With the a long hard 3 matches 1986,1538,217 is too much firepower for 341,2826,and 190 to handle.
I do not believe that 217 will still be available for the #1 seed to pick as a second alliance - they're way too good. Don't be surprised to see them picking in the top 8.
I do not believe that 217 will still be available for the #1 seed to pick as a second alliance - they're way too good. Don't be surprised to see them picking in the top 8.
Agreed!
JohnFogarty
18-04-2013, 08:20
In either case I don't think Galileo is deep enough for whoever is first seed to get an "ideal" partner.
Aside from 1986, and 1114 most of the top tier teams in each division are ground pick-up robots...
Huh? I'm puzzled about how we could have been doing 7-disk autonomous for 3 regionals without ground pickup. :eek:
Craig Roys
18-04-2013, 08:30
Huh? I'm puzzled about how we could have been doing 7-disk autonomous for 3 regionals without ground pickup. :eek:
Magic? :D
robonerd
18-04-2013, 08:31
I do not believe that 217 will still be available for the #1 seed to pick as a second alliance - they're way too good. Don't be surprised to see them picking in the top 8.
They were the second pick of the top alliance at MSC.
EricLeifermann
18-04-2013, 08:33
They were the second pick of the top alliance at MSC.
No offense to the teams in Newton(mine included) but MSC>Newton when it comes to pure depth of talent.
HumblePie
18-04-2013, 08:34
Archimedes: 254-469-2415 (I can hope, can't I?)
Galileo: 118-1114-4334 (2/3 of the Eh team, called the e team)
Newton: 1986-1538-4451 (This division is a tossup)
Curie: 2056-67-3489 (the most reasonable of these picks).
Let's see how wrong I am.
Well, it's an honor just to be nominated! Check is in the mail, BTW.;)
Thanks for the love, and we'll do our best to represent Peachtree well.
Daniel Brim
18-04-2013, 08:35
In either case I don't think Galileo is deep enough for whoever is first seed to get an "ideal" partner.People said that last year, too. Anything can happen during alliance selections when you involve this many teams.
Sam390250
18-04-2013, 08:44
I predict that a tornado won't hit the Jones Dome.
I freaking hope so! That was an incredibly scary evening, never again...
Craig Roys
18-04-2013, 08:53
They were the second pick of the top alliance at MSC.
Oh, I'm well aware...our alliance was beat by their alliance in the semi's. :ahh: (They were actually the 2nd pick of the #2 alliance)
I say that they won't be a late 2nd pick (and may even be picking) since I watched their robot improve the entire weekend at MSC and proceed to play very well in the eliminations. The only reason they were a late 2nd round pick was because of the depth of the field there. You can overlook them if you want - I will not make that mistake.
I freaking hope so! That was an incredibly scary evening, never again...
Looking at the forcast it looks like Sst. Louis is getting the ugly weather out of their system today and it's cool but calm all next week.
Let's hope it stays the course.
Justin Shelley
18-04-2013, 09:46
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 3284 LASER Robotics
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 195 Cyber Knights
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
Gronich2630
18-04-2013, 09:52
At Curie I really want to see a 2056-67-1577 alliance. This is one of the most balanced alliance I can think of- Steampunk from Raanana has a lot of expirience in helping to a FCS like 67 (they had a great job defending us in Israel). And with the mighty blocker! No one can shoot full court against them. If they will ran out of discks in the feeder station- 67 will climb and 2056 will continue to cleen the field with 1577.
dwodrich
18-04-2013, 09:57
I like those picks...thanks
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 1806 S.W.A.T
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 3284 LASER Robotics
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
We have a robot like that....I figure we have a 50-50 chance of getting into elims, and a 1 in 8 chance of winning division, if we get to play.
Totally agree, for an average cycler.
My only prediction:
The teams who up their game to rise above the pack will have a better shot -- yet the stats won't lie, and reliability will be huge. It also may come down to luck of the draw, as many alliances across the divisions will want 'full backs' or purely defensive robots.
Getting a taste of elims last year has made all the difference in our team's tenacity this year.
It's all about how honest a team is with themselves, and then figuring out a plan to move themselves up:
Honest starting point: we've only done 2 cycles on a field due to jams -- but the driver is capable of doing more, because he's done more in practice with a simpler bot I've been searching for a 36T 20DP 0.502" hex broached gear just to save ourselves 3 seconds of match time over 4 cycles, which should give us that last cycle as we decide to hang. I could do 40:44 instead of 36:48, but I'm worried we'd lose critical turning agility at speed. Fixing the shooter jams should give us 2 extra cycles. Putting a more powerful motor on our launcher to reduce time between shots should give us an extra cycle. Shooting from the corner would allow alliance partners who depend on the rear-center of the pyramid to do as they please without interference -- so an average cycler-team could practice that as much as possible. Reduced time of travel may also give an extra 3-4 seconds in the match. Corner shooting from the unprotected side also has a tendency to draw in some penalties from the other alliance.
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 1806 S.W.A.T
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 3284 LASER Robotics
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
Great picks!
Bob Steele
18-04-2013, 12:55
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 1806 S.W.A.T
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 3284 LASER Robotics
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
2471 on Newton is a great pick!! They will compliment any alliance and have great experience...
David8696
18-04-2013, 13:09
Agreed, however, the right full court shooter with the right counter-defender can be a devestating combination. Don't count out full court shooters as point scorers yet!
Exactly. Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVmN-lRZhU0 The fact that team 968 was such a spectacular blocker, along with 1538's great ground pickup, to both "clean up" our missed shots and do some cycles, was the reason our full-court shooter was able to be so effective in this match. To use a football metaphor, without an offensive line and a good wide receiver, the even the best quarterback in the world wouldn't amount to anything. But with both of the two... he can absolutely dominate a game.
Here are my predictions...
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 1806 S.W.A.T
Having been in tournaments with both Up Next! and S.W.A.T. this year, I will say that if they perform like they're capable of doing, I'll be very surprised if they're available to be on the same alliance. Especially to the #1 or #2 seed.
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 3284 LASER Robotics
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
Thanks (to you and everyone else that's mentioned us like this) for the vote of confidence; I hope we deliver. Having been in tournaments with Camdenton before, and seeing video of them this year, that's an interesting alliance. I haven't seen 2471 this season, but with 2 Regional wins, being #1 & #2 pick, they sure must be doing something right. ;)
EDIT: It'd be really interesting alliance, as has been pointed out to me by a teammate offline. 3284 is in Galileo....
First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
If CMP was predictable it'd be no fun. Besides, *someone* might be right; why not you? :)
yarden.saa
18-04-2013, 14:01
Curie: 2056 of course with 67 and 1577 very effective blocker...
CrazyMohawk
18-04-2013, 14:33
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 1806 S.W.A.T
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 3284 LASER Robotics
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
thanks for the pick
zachmartin1806
18-04-2013, 14:38
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 1806 S.W.A.T
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 3284 LASER Robotics
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
Thanks for considering us
benherms
18-04-2013, 14:44
Huh? I'm puzzled about how we could have been doing 7-disk autonomous for 3 regionals without ground pickup. :eek:
You guys do have great ground pickup, but I think the person that posted what you quoted was referring to the fact that you cycle a lot in your matches.
Great robot this year and team 195 looks forward to competing with you and all the other great teams in newton.
themccannman
18-04-2013, 14:51
Huh? I'm puzzled about how we could have been doing 7-disk autonomous for 3 regionals without ground pickup. :eek:
What I meant by that comment was that you do ground pick up for autonomous but you seem to favor feeder station pick-up for tele op. Unless you guys completely change your strategy for champs i'm guessing that you are going to continue with feeder station pick-up. The main point I was trying to get at is that you can run cycles which compliments a powerful ground pick up robot much better than another ground-pick-up-only bot would, this helps you in two ways:
1) You can pick from the best ground pick up bots and use them to their full potential without fighting for frisbees.
2) You are a more attractive pick for powerful ground pick up bots since they don't want to have to fight with their alliance partners for frisbees.
As a couple others have stated, it seems unlikely that 1114 will seed first, as long as their own autonomous points are capped at 18 (unless they add a magic weightless floor pickup, which I could actually see them doing). A good 7-disc autonomous team (the best on Galileo are probably the two from Texas that do it) should be able to finish with the same record as them, but more autonomous points.
I agree they are unlikely to seed first, however they are still and extremely powerful team that is likely to get picked by a ground pick up bot due to the reason stated above ^^^
M. Lillis
18-04-2013, 14:55
I know Archimedes is deep, but I doubt it'll be deep enough for 71 to go as a 2nd pick. Even with near perfect scouting, teams with a reputation like Hammond rarely go last.
Don't forget that the Bobcats 177 were picked 2nd round in 2010. So a big name does not guarantee an instant pick.
stephenmcd71
18-04-2013, 15:09
Don't forget that the Bobcats 177 were picked 2nd round in 2010. So a big name does not guarantee an instant pick.
Thats true look last year at 16 they were a second pick and they were phenomenal throughout the season
Kevin Leonard
18-04-2013, 15:47
I predict another rookie goes to Einstein in some way shape or form.
Don't forget that the Bobcats 177 were picked 2nd round in 2010. So a big name does not guarantee an instant pick.
People always obsess over the big names.
Justin Shelley
18-04-2013, 16:15
EDIT: It'd be really interesting alliance, as has been pointed out to me by a teammate offline. 3284 is in Galileo....
That changes EVERYTHING!!! New list will be posted soon ;) lol
Justin Shelley
18-04-2013, 16:21
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 3284 LASER Robotics
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 195 Cyber Knights
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
These are my updated predictions considering that 3284 is on Galileo not Newton lol
Curie narrowly defeats Archimedes after three matches because of the shear scoring strength of Curie.
Newton beats Galileo but narrowly after three matches even though Galileo beats Newton all three times in auto.
Newton beats Archimedes after two matches
Here goes...
Archimedes: 469, 33, 1714 Coming from seed 3-6
Curie: 2056, 67, 968 top seed
Galileo: 1114, 111, 358
Newton: 1538, 195, 88
Archimedes beats Curie
Galileo beats newton
Archimedes beats Galileo
nikeairmancurry
18-04-2013, 16:27
Here goes...
Archimedes: 469, 33, 1714 Coming from seed 3-6
Curie: 2056, 67, 968 top seed
Galileo: 1114, 111, 358
Newton: 1538, 195, 88
Archimedes beats Curie
Galileo beats newton
Archimedes beats Galileo
If you add a different 3rd team to that Archimedes alliance... Namely a Michigan team... It'd be that much more awesome..
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 3284 LASER Robotics
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 195 Cyber Knights
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
These are my updated predictions considering that 3284 is on Galileo not Newton lol
Thanks for the pick!
If you add a different 3rd team to that Archimedes alliance... Namely a Michigan team... It'd be that much more awesome..
I think 469 and 33 will just have to swallow their pride on this one.
Much more likely to see 27, 2337, and 70 on Galileo or 2054, 217, 68, 503, or 1718 create an all Michigan alliance on Newton.
Newton: 1986, 225, 217
Archimedes: 254, 33, 525
Curie: 2056, 67, 1939
And my Galileo prediction would scream of bias.
MARS_James
18-04-2013, 17:57
What I find interesting is almost everyone is calling for a team with a rookie year AFTER 2003 to win it all, something that has not happened yet with 1114 Simbotics the only 4 digit team to win the big one
Kevin Leonard
18-04-2013, 18:01
Curie: 1717, 148, 968
1717 seeds second, picks 148, 968, beats out a powerful first seed 2056-led alliance in the finals in three matches. The loss is because 148 fell over on the way to the feeder station.
Galileo: 118, 1114, 2337
118 seeds first, selects 1114 and 2337 to win in six or seven matches.
Newton: 2054, 195, 4451
2054 seeds 4th, selects 195 and 4451 to upset against a powerful 1986 alliance in the semis and a powerful 1538-led alliance in the finals in 8 or 9 matches.
If I were to predict for Archimedes, I would introduce way too much bias.
z_beeblebrox
18-04-2013, 18:20
Newton: 1986, 225, 217
Archimedes: 234, 33, 525
Curie: 2056, 67, 1939
And my Galileo prediction would scream of bias.
I like this one but would guess 254 would represent Archimedes rather 234, since 234 is on Curie. Also, I'd go with 341 over 225 for Newton.
Galileo: 118, 1114, 842 (some bias in the last one)
I like this one but would guess 254 would represent Archimedes rather 234, since 234 is on Curie. Also, I'd go with 341 over 225 for Newton.
The 234 thing was a typo.
Abhishek R
18-04-2013, 18:32
Something I am curious about is that on Curie, assuming 2056 seeds first and is looking for an FCS to complement their ground pickup is most likely a decision between 148 and 67. 67 has shown amazing accuracy and their 50 point climb, however, they did have a few drivetrain problems at MSC and aren't the tallest out of the FCS' . 148 on the other hand has shown the same accuracy and although they only have a 40 point climb, their drivetrain (2 mode drive they've deemed a 'butterfly' drive) and height allows them to push through a defender if needed with a minimal possibility of falling over. Again, 67 would probably be the best pick, but I can still see 148 being chosen as well.
Grim Tuesday
18-04-2013, 18:53
Something I am curious about is that on Curie, assuming 2056 seeds first and is looking for an FCS to complement their ground pickup is most likely a decision between 148 and 67. 67 has shown amazing accuracy and their 50 point climb, however, they did have a few drivetrain problems at MSC and aren't the tallest out of the FCS' . 148 on the other hand has shown the same accuracy and although they only have a 40 point climb, their drivetrain (2 mode drive they've deemed a 'butterfly' drive) and height allows them to push through a defender if needed with a minimal possibility of falling over. Again, 67 would probably be the best pick, but I can still see 148 being chosen as well.
If both teams are playing at the same level they did in the regional season, I think choosing 148 over 67 would be foolish. I have no doubt that 67 will fix their reliability issues observed at MSC. Of the two robots, they are the better full court shooter, though easier to shut down with height. However, any alliance playing against them had better have a 60-84" blocker so I think this is nearly a null issue.
67 is a better cycler if they choose to play it that way and their climber is less nerve wracking than 148's and is faster to boot.
TheMadCADer
18-04-2013, 18:54
148 on the other hand has shown the same accuracy and although they only have a 40 point climb.
I get the feeling that 148 is going to keep trying for the full level 3 climb with some help from a couple new revisions to their robot. They always iterate quite quickly, and they've done level 3 climbs in practice before. Still, I think I'd pick 67 for their maneuverability when cycling, which any FCS will likely have to do during eliminations. 148 can't be so nimble when they're so tall and prone to tipping.
Justin Shelley
18-04-2013, 19:01
Something I am curious about is that on Curie, assuming 2056 seeds first and is looking for an FCS to complement their ground pickup is most likely a decision between 148 and 67. 67 has shown amazing accuracy and their 50 point climb, however, they did have a few drivetrain problems at MSC and aren't the tallest out of the FCS' . 148 on the other hand has shown the same accuracy and although they only have a 40 point climb, their drivetrain (2 mode drive they've deemed a 'butterfly' drive) and height allows them to push through a defender if needed with a minimal possibility of falling over. Again, 67 would probably be the best pick, but I can still see 148 being chosen as well.
I think the FCS they should pick would be 1706. They have an amazing accuracy and can shoot at all three high goals while FCS though they only have a 10pt hang i still think they should be 2056's first pick.
I think the FCS they should pick would be 1706. They have an amazing accuracy and can shoot at all three high goals while FCS though they only have a 10pt hang i still think they should be 2056's first pick.
They may be the better FCS but it will be hard to get a good 2nd/3rd level climber that can dump and is consistent; that is why everyone believes that if that is the direction 2056 wants to go with with their 1st pick, it will be either 67 or 148.
Justin Shelley
18-04-2013, 19:10
They may be the better FCS but it will be hard to get a good 2nd/3rd level climber that can dump and is consistent; that is why everyone believes that if that is the direction 2056 wants to go with with their 1st pick, it will be either 67 or 148.
point taken but I believe a major reason to have a FCS is to draw defensive robots to your FCS instead of your cycler, 2056. Also a climb can be easily blocked by keeping the FCS away from the pyramid
LDiDomenico
18-04-2013, 19:13
Archimedes:254, 987, 1714
Curie: 2056, 67, 1816
Galileo: 118, 2169, 3481
Newton: 1986, 2826, 3476
Archimedes beats Curie
Galileo beats Newton
Archimedes beats Galileo
Archimedes:254, 987, 78
Curie:67, 2056, 4564 (For Sure)
Galileo:1114, 118, 3481 (For Sure)
Newton:1986, 195, 217
EricLeifermann
18-04-2013, 19:31
Archimedes:254, 987, 1714
Curie: 2056, 67, 1816
Galileo: 118, 2169, 3481
Newton: 1986, 2826, 3476
Archimedes beats Curie
Galileo beats Newton
Archimedes beats Galileo
I think newton would beat both Galileo and archimedes ;)
faust1706
18-04-2013, 19:58
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
:D
TheCrayButton
18-04-2013, 20:45
Overal Champs for World this year,
1114, 118, 2512 from Galileo
Abhishek R
18-04-2013, 20:48
Overal Champs for World this year,
1114, 118, 2512 from Galileo
2nd-ed.
stephenmcd71
18-04-2013, 21:00
Overal Champs for World this year,
1114, 118, 2512 from Galileo
I love that alliance but I don't think 2512 would go that deep
Anupam Goli
18-04-2013, 21:23
I think the FCS they should pick would be 1706. They have an amazing accuracy and can shoot at all three high goals while FCS though they only have a 10pt hang i still think they should be 2056's first pick.
67 trumps most in FCS ability. I think 948 and 2169 would be the only ones who theoretically could take on 67's FCS. However, a 50 pt climb added to that FCS and potential cycler sells 67 a lot more than other teams.
nicholsjj
18-04-2013, 21:58
This year could lead to some great story lines at champs(like always). With match strategy and scouting being at its highest, some predictions are better left a *bit more open. These are just fun predictions and they are my own and in no way are impacted from team 3885. I will probably be wrong on almost all of these, but it is fun to speculate.;)
A teams from south of the Mason Dixon line will win the WCA.
A full court shooter will win the EI Award.
A 7 disk auton will win the INC Award.
A person from north of the border will win the WFA.
This year has a nice probably of having more International than US teams on Einstein.
My Division Favorites:
Archimedes: 254-469-3245
Curie: 2056-67-16(Yes they could fall this far due to being inconsistent)
Galileo: 118-1114-3284
Newton: 1986-180-3756
A beats C, G beats N, and A beats G due to 118 running out of air.
"My Sleepers": (These teams are not getting talked about enough)
Archimedes: 2590-11-525
Curie: 1983-1918-1421
Galileo: 111-125-2481
Newton: 3476-217-1718
C beats A, N beats G, G beats C due to 111 having too much power drained from their LED's
Of course these predictions will more than likely become completely disproved during next week, but it is nice to guess. Also I have only seen three of the teams that I listed so this was complete guesswork on my part.
robonerd
18-04-2013, 21:59
I'm going to go off on a limb here and say I think that Archimedes will win. My prediction is that 987, 33, and 314 will beat 469, 254, and someone else in division finals.
"My Sleepers": (These teams are not getting talked about enough)
Archimedes: 2590-11-525
Curie: 1983-1918-1421
Galileo: 111-125-2481
Newton: 3476-217-1718
C beats A, N beats G, G beats C due to 111 having too much power drained from their LED's
Ha.
joelg236
18-04-2013, 22:16
This year could lead to some great story lines at champs(like always). With match strategy and scouting being at its highest, some predictions are better left a *bit more open. These are just fun predictions and they are my own and in no way are impacted from team 3885. I will probably be wrong on almost all of these, but it is fun to speculate.;)
A teams from south of the Mason Dixon line will win the WCA.
A full court shooter will win the EI Award.
A 7 disk auton will win the INC Award.
A person from north of the border will win the WFA.
This year has a nice probably of having more International than US teams on Einstein.
My Division Favorites:
Archimedes: 254-469-3245
Curie: 2056-67-16(Yes they could fall this far due to being incontinent)
Galileo: 118-1114-3284
Newton: 1986-180-3756
A beats C, G beats N, and A beats G due to 118 running out of air.
"My Sleepers": (These teams are not getting talked about enough)
Archimedes: 2590-11-525
Curie: 1983-1918-1421
Galileo: 111-125-2481
Newton: 3476-217-1718
C beats A, N beats G, G beats C due to 111 having too much power drained from their LED's
Of course these predictions will more than likely become completely disproved during next week, but it is nice to guess. Also I have only seen three of the teams that I listed so this was complete guesswork on my part.
Was going to make my list, but I can't see anything there that I wouldn't agree with.
One team I'd add under sleepers in Galileo is 2337.
Chris Hibner
18-04-2013, 22:20
Curie: 2056-67-16(Yes they could fall this far due to being incontinent)
While being incontinent would be a horrible distraction, I can't imagine that would cause them to fall that far. Or do you mean they will lose their discs when they don't want to?
(Sorry, I couldn't help it. It was teed up too nicely.)
Meredith Novak
18-04-2013, 22:28
While being incontinent would be a horrible distraction, I can't imagine that would cause them to fall that far. Or do you mean they will lose their discs when they don't want to?
(Sorry, I couldn't help it. It was teed up too nicely.)
Chris, you beat me to it. Just added adult diapers to the "take to CMP" list. Old guys FTW!!!
Was going to make my list, but I can't see anything there that I wouldn't agree with.
One team I'd add under sleepers in Galileo is 2337.
Galileo has a great abundance of good sleeper teams that under the right situations bring the giants in the division back to earth.
When you look at teams like 111, 2169, 1477, 610, 447, 3284, etc. it's really hard to predict who will win, given the snake draft.
nicholsjj
18-04-2013, 22:42
While being incontinent would be a horrible distraction, I can't imagine that would cause them to fall that far. Or do you mean they will lose their discs when they don't want to?
(Sorry, I couldn't help it. It was teed up too nicely.)
Baxter has a great robot that deserves to be picked higher, but they do a few things that can scare teams. They will lose a disk sometimes after they load. Their climb sometimes will not count if they have a disk loaded up.
They have also been one of the few teams that I have ever seen(except for maybe 233) to make a large amount of drastic changes to their robot throughout the year. This impressive feat shouldn't harm them but it has hurt in terms of getting their robot to its usual HOF quality during the season. If they fall to the second round again watch out. They still shoot well but they are not an elite shooter in terms of accuracy. *I want to add that Team 16 is a terrific team that helped to make the Razorback Regional a major success. These problems in this post will more than likely be overcome next week by championships.
nicholsjj
18-04-2013, 22:54
Chris, you beat me to it. Just added adult diapers to the "take to CMP" list. Old guys FTW!!!
Meredith,
Leave the Pampers in Mountain Home. Team 16 would be one of the ideal teams in Curie due the Bomb Squad's World Famous drivetrain. This puts you all in a spot to become the premier team to become an Orlando Pace for any Full Court Shooter. Team 16 also is a very capable offensive bot, but it does have some inconsistencies(see post above.) I can't wait to see you all next week and I'm sorry if I scared you at all.:o
John
Meredith,
Leave the Pampers in Mountain Home. Team 16 would be one of the ideal teams in Curie due the Bomb Squad's World Famous drivetrain. This puts you all in a spot to become the premier team to become an Orlando Pace for any Full Court Shooter. Team 16 also is a very capable offensive bot, but it does have some inconsistencies(see post above.) I can't wait to see you all next week and I'm sorry if I scared you at all.:o
John
Bomb Squad with a good actuating 28-60-84 blocking mechanism would be the scariest thing in the world.
Also, I heard that their driver loves playing defense.
efoote868
18-04-2013, 23:08
Bomb Squad with a good actuating 28-60-84 blocking mechanism would be the scariest thing in the world.
Also, I heard that their driver loves playing defense.
If it's the same one as last year, I believe it. Ball thieves.
Chris Fultz
18-04-2013, 23:10
The 234 thing was a typo.
oh, that hurts ... :D
If it's the same one as last year, I believe it. Ball thieves.
Their drivetrain driver from last year graduated, however their new driver for this year happens to be JT Novak.
oh, that hurts ... :D
Typos. Not even once.
Meredith Novak
19-04-2013, 00:38
Their drivetrain driver from last year graduated, however their new driver for this year happens to be JT Novak.
Actually, we have a senior driver (different from the one who graduated). JT is a sophmore and is operating this year.
Navid Shafa
19-04-2013, 00:56
Curie: 2056-67-16(Yes they could fall this far due to being incontinent)
WAT? Are you sure...
Incontinent: Having no or insufficient voluntary control over urination or defecation.
*Edit: Beaten to it...
Archimedes:
469-254-314
Curie:
2056-67-968
Galileo:
118-1114-2809
Newton
1986-1538-190
A d. C 3 matches
G d. N
A d. G 3 matches.
Haha. I picked us to be playing with 469 and 254 too!!!!
Archimedes
Winners: 2nd Seed 254, 987, 2468
Finalists: 1st Seed 33, 469, 71
Curie
Winners: 4th Seed *2056, 3539, 3414
Finalists: 7th Seed **1918, 148, 1923
*Team declined the 2nd Seed
**Team declined the 3rd Seed
Galileo
Winners: 1st Seed 1114, 118, 3528
Finalists: 3rd Seed 1477, 1806, 2474
Newton
Winners: 1st Seed 1986, 2054, 217
Finalists: 2nd Seed 1718, 1538, 2826
Einstein
2013 World Champions: 254, 987, 2468
Finalists: 1114, 118, 3528
I started to cheer when I saw 254 climb within the last 8 seconds to win the rubber match against Galileo...then I realized it was all in my head :(
A man can dream though ;)
While being incontinent would be a horrible distraction, I can't imagine that would cause them to fall that far. Or do you mean they will lose their discs when they don't want to?
We are currently working on our "incontinent" :yikes: robot with some big changes we are implementing for the world championship.
-JTN
Michael Blake
19-04-2013, 02:17
We are currently working on our "incontinent" :yikes: robot with some big changes we are implementing for the world championship.
-JTN
JT... is that _really nice_ tank of yours still intact? Or is it missing relevant parts that _may be_ helpful at CHAMPS?
;-)
--Michael
P.S. Looking forward to saying "Hi" to you and your family! Can you believe our good fortune to catch a wait-list spot?!! First 3 seasons in FRC = 3 CHAMPS... THANKS to you guys for starting us off in 2011!! --MB
Both are completely intact, I promise. :) Congrats on the spot at world championships! I will be glad to see you there!
-JTN
efoote868
19-04-2013, 03:23
We are currently working on our "incontinent" :yikes: robot with some big changes we are implementing for the world championship.
-JTN
PM me in a couple of months when I start working for Kimberly-Clark, and I'll make sure to get you guys some depends for IRI.
Meredith Novak
19-04-2013, 03:46
Both are completely intact, I promise. :) Congrats on the spot at world championships! I will be glad to see you there!
-JTN
And, for some reason, in my living room???
stephenmcd71
19-04-2013, 06:41
Archimedes
Winners: 2nd Seed 254, 987, 2468
Finalists: 1st Seed 33, 469, 71
Curie
Winners: 4th Seed *2056, 3539, 3414
Finalists: 7th Seed **1918, 148, 1923
*Team declined the 2nd Seed
**Team declined the 3rd Seed
Galileo
Winners: 1st Seed 1114, 118, 3528
Finalists: 3rd Seed 1477, 1806, 2474
Newton
Winners: 1st Seed 1986, 2054, 217
Finalists: 2nd Seed 1718, 1538, 2826
Einstein
2013 World Champions: 254, 987, 2468
Finalists: 1114, 118, 3528
I started to cheer when I saw 254 climb within the last 8 seconds to win the rubber match against Galileo...then I realized it was all in my head :(
A man can dream though ;)
I think your picks are spot on thanks for not sure if its good we were the 24th pick guess were a darkhorse team this year
Archimedes
Winners: 2nd Seed 254, 987, 2468
Finalists: 1st Seed 33, 469, 71
Curie
Winners: 4th Seed *2056, 3539, 3414
Finalists: 7th Seed **1918, 148, 1923
*Team declined the 2nd Seed
**Team declined the 3rd Seed
Galileo
Winners: 1st Seed 1114, 118, 3528
Finalists: 3rd Seed 1477, 1806, 2474
Newton
Winners: 1st Seed 1986, 2054, 217
Finalists: 2nd Seed 1718, 1538, 2826
Einstein
2013 World Champions: 254, 987, 2468
Finalists: 1114, 118, 3528
I started to cheer when I saw 254 climb within the last 8 seconds to win the rubber match against Galileo...then I realized it was all in my head :(
A man can dream though ;)
2826 would not be a second pick, they would be picking
Jay Burnett
19-04-2013, 11:21
Finally! Somebody picked us in Curie! Thanks!
Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol
Archimedes
1) 987 HIGHROLLERS
2) 868 TechHOUNDS
3) 1334 Red Devils
Curie
1) 2056 OP Robotics
2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers
3) 4080 Team Reboot
Galileo
1) 1114 Simbotics
2) 3528 UP Next!
3) 3284 LASER Robotics
Newton
1) 1986 Team Titanium
2) 195 Cyber Knights
3) 2471 Team Mean Machine
2826 would not be a second pick, they would be picking
Regardless of the year, I base my picks for the FRC championship much like I make picks for March Madness. There are numerous variables to take into account and one of the biggest that I have found is that things will never go the way they are supposed to.
That being said Wave's two finalist finishes are quite telling of what they are capable of. Do I believe that they could seed as an alliance captain? Sure. However, from what I've observed of 2826, I believe they will not. Most likely they will fall between picks 5-15. Do not make the mistake of underestimating the strength and the depth of Newton this year. What my picks show is that in some form or fashion Wave will make it to their divisional finals.
Unfortunately, there is one pick I am regretting. In Galileo, I took the third seed of 1477, 1806, and 2474 over the second seed of 245 and 2169(sorry third bot but I forgot your number.) Even though King Tec is a slightly better FCS than S.W.A.T., I thought that Torque and Excel could out score Adambots and their 3rd robot...but after watching more match videos of these teams I am not so certain. It will most likely depend on whether or not Texas Torque can get their wing autonomous scoring 5+ discs.
Lastly, I made a critical error this year when I selected four Texas teams to make it to their divisional finals. This has never happened before and honestly I don't think that this historical Texas event will occur this year. The max number of Texas teams this year with at least a divisional finalist appearance will be 3.
TeamRock
19-04-2013, 19:11
Hey CD,
As you all obviously know, divisions came out today, so I thought it would be fun for everyone to make predictions and to see if anyone can guess the winning alliance! Rules: you must state your three teams of the winning alliance from each division and then state your Einstein winning Alliance.
Here are mine:
Archimedes:254, 987, 78
Curie:67, 2056, 4564
Galileo:1114, 118, 3481
Newton:1986, 195, 217
Curie beats Archimedes
Galileo beats Newton
Galileo beats Curie in the finals for the second straight year
Have fun with this!
Edit: I'm obviously horrible at picking upsets :p
I agree with team 1114 but i strongly disagree with 118 . Robonauts looked good in their teaser video but if you watch one of their matches, they don't seem that good at all. I've seen better robots in Michigan that didn't even qualify for Nationals. I like 254 and 2000 (of course)
I agree with team 1114 but i strongly disagree with 118 . Robonauts looked good in their teaser video but if you watch one of their matches, they don't seem that good at all. I've seen better robots in Michigan that didn't even qualify for Nationals. I like 254 and 2000 (of course)
3 Regional wins, crazy fast ground pickup, 7 disk auto or centreline auto, super fast cycles, feeder station loading. Sorry, what's the problem?
2789_B_Garcia
19-04-2013, 19:36
3 Regional wins, crazy fast ground pickup, 7 disk auto or centreline auto, super fast cycles, feeder station loading. Sorry, what's the problem?
+1 this... Don't mess with Texas robots lol
JohnSchneider
19-04-2013, 20:03
3 Regional wins, crazy fast ground pickup, 7 disk auto or centreline auto, super fast cycles, feeder station loading. Sorry, what's the problem?
118 seemed to have some hiccups but they always bring their A game to championships. Last year it took them 3 regionals to win one, and then they went all the way to einstein.
Steven Sigley
19-04-2013, 21:07
Here's my short and simple prediction:
either 2169 or 1114 wins it all. I have a lot of faith in the FCS that is 2169. Pair them with 2 good auto robots and the game is over.
Here's my short and simple prediction:
either 2169 or 1114 wins it all. I have a lot of faith in the FCS that is 2169. Pair them with 2 good auto robots and the game is over.
Until they meet a rookie with a pool noodle.
Kevin Leonard
19-04-2013, 22:00
Until they meet a rookie with a pool noodle.
There's been a lot of dismissive gestures toward FCS's, but I've seen firsthand the kind of carnage a good FCS can wreak. That "Rookie with a pool noodle" can be counter-blocked, like 67 was at MSC, and they can be fouled if the FCS is savvy about their positioning.
I guarantee there will be at least one full-court shooter on Einstein, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one from every division.
There's been a lot of dismissive gestures toward FCS's, but I've seen firsthand the kind of carnage a good FCS can wreak. That "Rookie with a pool noodle" can be counter-blocked, like 67 was at MSC, and they can be fouled if the FCS is savvy about their positioning.
I guarantee there will be at least one full-court shooter on Einstein, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one from every division.
Not to mention the FCSes are becoming more diverse in skill, and more opportunistic.
And if you're using a defender to babysit an FCS while they're pyramid running, you've lost all offense from that bot.
Not to mention the FCSes are becoming more diverse in skill, and more opportunistic.
And if you're using a defender to babysit an FCS while they're pyramid running, you've lost all offense from that bot.
A well defended FCS can go through your 45 Frisbees (or close to it) fast enough that a third offensive robot will be useless. What you are really losing here is a defender to stop an opposing FCS's or cycles, but by that point it will just become a shootout between the two FCS's.
As for 118, they have the 5th highest max OPR. Looking at match footage, much of that is their incredibly fast shooting and their 7-disc autonomous that doesn't disappoint. I still wonder how they can shoot that fast.
Sir Zordor
19-04-2013, 22:59
Galileo: 1114, 2485 (or 610) , 1806 (2nd seed)
Archimedes: 254, 469, 1334 (1st seed)
Newton: 1986, 1718, 190 (1st seed)
Curie: 1717, 3539, 2168 (4th seed, becoming 3rd seed with the 67 selection) (defeating 2056,67, 968 who is the #1 seed)
Galileo versus Newton = Galileo in game 3
Curie versus Archimedes = Curie in game 3
Galileo versus Curie = (gut says if 1114 did beat 1986 go with Galileo, but pretty close match gotta admit)
Kevin Leonard
19-04-2013, 23:20
Galileo: 1114, 2485 (or 610) , 1806 (2nd seed)
Archimedes: 254, 469, 1334 (1st seed)
Newton: 1986, 1718, 190 (1st seed)
Curie: 1717, 3539, 2168 (4th seed, becoming 3rd seed with the 67 selection) (defeating 2056,67, 968 who is the #1 seed)
Galileo versus Newton = Galileo in game 3
Curie versus Archimedes = Curie in game 3
Galileo versus Curie = (gut says if 1114 did beat 1986 go with Galileo, but pretty close match gotta admit)
I don't think 1806 and 1334 will be available as 2nd picks.
And I think GvN would go in two matches in your case. But whatever, that's why it's predictions.
Steven Sigley
19-04-2013, 23:52
There's been a lot of dismissive gestures toward FCS's, but I've seen firsthand the kind of carnage a good FCS can wreak. That "Rookie with a pool noodle" can be counter-blocked, like 67 was at MSC
And that, my friends, is how 701 and 2169 swept at Colorado.
Justin Shelley
19-04-2013, 23:57
I've been doing a lot of thinking and I can't decide which of these two options would be the best
Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb
First Pick) Strong FCS with a hang
Second Pick) FCS with a hang
The advantage of this setup is that with two FCS and a cycler your opposing alliance has either the option to let you shoot like a boss or choose to block your FCS, thus reducing their scoring capabilities. With this setup even if you miss the FCS shots then your floor pickup captain can pick up the missed disc for maximum points.
Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb
First Pick) Strong FCS with a hang
Second Pick) Strong defender with a 18pt auto and at least a 20pt climb
The advantage of this setup is that your FCS and cycler can both shoot while your defender cripples your competitors FCS. The only thing is that there are many FCS bots that can shoot around or through, 1706, a defensive robots guard.
I think a FCS is extremely important to a winning alliance, but this competition will be won by great cycling robots and climb points to a lesser extent
Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb
I can count all the teams that can do this on 1 hand.
PayneTrain
20-04-2013, 00:02
At the level we're talking about, which is divisional elminations, it's not about possible points scored, but how consistently high the scoring is of each robot, regardless of opposition. A cycler who is known to bob and weave and put up 15/16 discs a match could see more value than an FCS that can kick out 24 discs but miss a bunch because of any factor affecting accuracy.
Those are points the other alliance can steal at this level, where you could have three robots on an alliance who can each clear more than a third of the discs behind the wall each match.
I'm slightly dismissive towards FCS robots because I see them falling to second pick in a lot of cases. For 2nd picks, alliances will probably look for consistent scoring in any form over the way you get the points to the hole, and cyclers are usually more accurate than FCSes, because dialing it in at a close range is not something that happens.
EricDrost
20-04-2013, 00:02
There's more than one way to stop a FCS. If the robots on your alliance work together and have good DTs, there's no reason that you should be beaten by a *pure* FCS.
A FCS that can also cycle well is an entirely different animal.
Kevin Leonard
20-04-2013, 00:23
I've been doing a lot of thinking and I can't decide which of these two options would be the best
Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb
First Pick) Strong FCS with a hang
Second Pick) FCS with a hang
The advantage of this setup is that with two FCS and a cycler your opposing alliance has either the option to let you shoot like a boss or choose to block your FCS, thus reducing their scoring capabilities. With this setup even if you miss the FCS shots then your floor pickup captain can pick up the missed disc for maximum points.
Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb
First Pick) Strong FCS with a hang
Second Pick) Strong defender with a 18pt auto and at least a 20pt climb
The advantage of this setup is that your FCS and cycler can both shoot while your defender cripples your competitors FCS. The only thing is that there are many FCS bots that can shoot around or through, 1706, a defensive robots guard.
I think a FCS is extremely important to a winning alliance, but this competition will be won by great cycling robots and climb points to a lesser extent
I'm of the opinion alliance composition for most winning alliances will compose of an FCS, Ground Pickup, and Cycler. The alliance probably needs to pull off at least 13 discs in auto between them to compete well.
Now based on the teams and divisions we're talking about, the FCS, GnDPkp, and Cycler will have varying strengths based on which one is the captain.
In Galileo, for example, 1114 could be the alliance captain or first pick, being the strong cycler on the alliance.
However, in Newton, the FCS could be the captain/first pick being that it has such a strong set of FCS's.
Archimedes is going to be decided by the ground pickups- and some times in the division can be all three roles depending on their alliance partners (i.e. 469 and 987).
Curie is a very balanced division, but chances are goos that a team like 2056 seeds first and picks 67, making the cycler the weaker alliance partner in the winning alliance.
Justin Shelley
20-04-2013, 00:29
I can count all the teams that can do this on 1 hand.
Robots that can do a 7 disc auto
Archimedes
33, 254, 379, 469, 987, 2154, 2590, 3310,
Curie
103, 233, 968, 1310, 1540, 1684, 1717, 2056, 3539,
Galileo
118, 1323, 1477, 2175, 2337, 2474, 3528,
Newton
1538, 1986, 2054, 3476
Robots that can do a 7 point auto
Archimedes
33, 254, 379, 469, 987, 2154, 2590, 3310,
Curie
103, 148, 233, 968, 1310, 1540, 1684, 1717, 2056, 3539,
Galileo
118, 1323, 1477, 2175, 2337, 2474, 3528,
Newton
1538, 1986, 2054, 3476
7 disk auto and 30 point climb.
254, 1986.
Justin Shelley
20-04-2013, 00:33
I'm of the opinion alliance composition for most winning alliances will compose of an FCS, Ground Pickup, and Cycler. The alliance probably needs to pull off at least 13 discs in auto between them to compete well.
I'm under the opinion that the majority of great cyclers have a floor pickup. At least the ones I view as possible winning robots.
Ivan Malik
20-04-2013, 00:33
I predict that at least 3 teams to play on Einstein will be from Michigan... A fairly safe bet too.:D
joelg236
20-04-2013, 00:37
Robots that can do a 7 point auto
...
7 points? Oh golly that'd be tough to do.
XaulZan11
20-04-2013, 00:41
Robots that can do a 7 point auto
Galileo
118, 1323, 1477, 2175, 2337, 2474, 3528,
Have they done this in a match yet? The couple matches I saw they didn't pick up any extra discs.
Robots that can do a 7 point auto
Archimedes
33, 254, 379, 469, 987, 2154, 2590, 3310,
Curie
103, 148, 233, 968, 1310, 1540, 1684, 1717, 2056, 3539,
Galileo
118, 1323, 1477, 2175, 2337, 2474, 3528,
Newton
1538, 1986, 2054, 3476
(Emphasis mine) Maybe I missed something huge here, but almost certain that 148 does not have a floor pickup...
EricDrost
20-04-2013, 00:41
I'm under the opinion that the majority of great cyclers have a floor pickup. At least the ones I view as possible winning robots.
868 would like a word with you.
I'm under the opinion that the majority of great cyclers have a floor pickup. At least the ones I view as possible winning robots.
With the right team, pure cyclers can very effective and efficient, even more so than SOME groundloaders.
I'm under the opinion that the majority of great cyclers have a floor pickup. At least the ones I view as possible winning robots.
Talk to 11, 245, 610, and 1114 to name a few. 1114 is being talked about as one of the teams most likely to win champs, and 610 has been mentioned more than a few times. I don't follow you.
hiyou102
20-04-2013, 03:12
Until they meet a rookie with a pool noodle.
If FCS is well designed, it can beat a 60" blocker on it's own. An 84" blocker however requires some help from alliance partners. Even if the FCS is being blocked, some good ones can cycle as well. If a robot has a hastily attached 84" blocker that doesn't move that can mean they are trapped in their zone all match while the FCS is cycling.
Dominick Ferone
20-04-2013, 09:15
353 will not be as lucky with the schedule in St. Louis as they were at Hofstra.
353 did have some easy matches but others we had to do all the work and carry our alliance and we have since modified our bot to do 60-80 points a match
Justin Shelley
20-04-2013, 09:19
Talk to 11, 245, 610, and 1114 to name a few. 1114 is being talked about as one of the teams most likely to win champs, and 610 has been mentioned more than a few times. I don't follow you.
1114 is the exception to this but I think auto is so important that in Championships they will encounter opponents with a much stronger auto then before that will beat them
Also all the robots that I said have a 7 disc auto were one's I found using the Google Doc scouting sheets for championships. Sorry if some of my information was wrong
Justin Shelley
20-04-2013, 09:28
(Emphasis mine) Maybe I missed something huge here, but almost certain that 148 does not have a floor pickup...
After looking back at their list on the pitscouting sheet i believe you are correct considering they have the infinity symbol listed as max opr:yikes:
MARS_James
20-04-2013, 09:29
Although I will say auto is important it is not the be all end all of strategy. At South Florida the only 2 teams with the ability to pick up and score disks in auto finished rank 6 and 36 respectively, They teamed up in alliance against my team and in each of our matches with them we started autonomous 20 points behind each time and won those matches by 5 and 36 points.
Sir Zordor
20-04-2013, 10:27
For Curie Division, honest thoughts about our robot team 1262, and what could help us get picked for elims, (adding lexan shield, we are going to work on shooting a bit faster and backing up to feeder quicker).
Anupam Goli
20-04-2013, 13:10
1114 is the exception to this but I think auto is so important that in Championships they will encounter opponents with a much stronger auto then before that will beat them
Also all the robots that I said have a 7 disc auto were one's I found using the Google Doc scouting sheets for championships. Sorry if some of my information was wrong
No doubt auto is important, but is it necessary to have more than 1 or 2 ground pickup bots? Also, i like to classify teams like 118 and 1986 as hybrid cyclers. they have floor pickups that they utilize for auto, but from match play, it seems that they prefer to cycle.
Also, i'm willing to bet all of my internet points that 610, 11, 245, and 125 will go very early during alliance selection. Cycling ability is important, and these teams are good enough to keep pace with floor pickups.
nikeairmancurry
20-04-2013, 13:18
If MSC gave us any preview, floor pick-ups were the main attraction. With 4 out of 6 in the finals (469, 2054, 2337 and 3539). The the last two robots? effectively were FCS. The majority of pure cycle bots did not make it so far.
PayneTrain
20-04-2013, 13:25
For Curie Division, honest thoughts about our robot team 1262, and what could help us get picked for elims, (adding lexan shield, we are going to work on shooting a bit faster and backing up to feeder quicker).
You and 1541 have the disadvantage of only attending one event in a stacked division, but I can see both of you guys adding a cycle and maybe getting picked.
If MSC gave us any preview, floor pick-ups were the main attraction. With 4 out of 6 in the finals (469, 2054, 2337 and 3539). The the last two robots? effectively were FCS. The majority of pure cycle bots did not make it so far.
It's all a matter of circumstance. At MAR champs, 3 robots in the finals were cyclers with no ground pickup
Steven Donow
20-04-2013, 14:02
It's all a matter of circumstance. At MAR champs, 3 robots in the finals were cyclers with no ground pickup
But also keep in mind there were no FCS's in MAR Champs finals (2729 don't count as they were a cycler 99% of the time), and each alliance had one ground pickup.
Especially given auto, I think it's a given that no alliance on Einstein will be strictly cyclers.
But also keep in mind there were no FCS's in MAR Champs finals (2729 don't count as they were a cycler 99% of the time), and each alliance had one ground pickup.
Especially given auto, I think it's a given that no alliance on Einstein will be strictly cyclers.
Oh yeah, a strictly cycler alliance won't work at champs, but a strict cycler on the right team (FCS-cycler-groundpickup for example) will be viable.
PayneTrain
20-04-2013, 14:10
But also keep in mind there were no FCS's in MAR Champs finals (2729 don't count as they were a cycler 99% of the time), and each alliance had one ground pickup.
Especially given auto, I think it's a given that no alliance on Einstein will be strictly cyclers.
You don't need 3 robots to get all of the points in auto. How would an alliance with 118, 1114, and a strict cycler that can cover whatever discs they don't score be better if it was an FCS instead? 1114 covers the 12 point bonus the opponent would get in a perfect auto by the 50 point play the other 30pt climbers can't make.
Steven Donow
20-04-2013, 14:18
You don't need 3 robots to get all of the points in auto. How would an alliance with 118, 1114, and a strict cycler that can cover whatever discs they don't score be better if it was an FCS instead? 1114 covers the 12 point bonus the opponent would get in a perfect auto by the 50 point play the other 30pt climbers can't make.
My comment about FCS was strictly in response to what the quoted user was saying about MAR Champs where a 50 point play was never in play during the finals
Samwaldo
20-04-2013, 14:25
All this talk really shows what this game has developed into: A shooting game with 10 point hangs.
Very few robots mentioned here climb for 20 or 30. The few include 1114, 67, etc.
kinda upset about that because some of the most memorable matches are with those that are determined by if a robot can climb to 30 (and sometimes dump). To this day i will always remember being in Boston during the finals. I have never heard so much people screaming in excitement and anticipation for the outcome of a match. Team 88's climb and dump was the most exciting thing to ever hit Boston! With out a doubt. Now imagine a 30 point climb on Einstein, MAYBE even with a fall.
Now imagine a 30 point climb on Einstein, MAYBE even with a fall.
I imagine there WILL be at least one thirty climber on Einstein, but one who can do it fast and offers much more than just the climb (ie 254)
PayneTrain
20-04-2013, 14:37
My comment about FCS was strictly in response to what the quoted user was saying about MAR Champs where a 50 point play was never in play during the finals
I was pointing out how I thought you said no "robots" would be strictly cyclers, but you said "alliances". I can read better now. :rolleyes:
Couple of things:
1) There will be no all Canadian alliance, and certainly not one capable of reaching Einstein.
There will probably be some alliances that are 2/3 Canadian, and one of those alliances may even make Einstein, but no Eh Team reprise. Galileo has the majority of the strong Canadians (610, 1114, 1241, 2809, 4039, 4069), with Curie coming second (1310, 2056, 4814), and Archi has 1334.
1114 is the strongest in Galileo, but none of the Canadians in G have enough strength in auto to seed #1. Most likely, Galileo's #1 alliance will be 118/1114.
2056 is strong enough to seed #1 in Curie, but they're not going to be looking for another ground pickup that does the 7-under-the-pyramid (like 1310 does). 1310 or 2056 would have to learn how to do a wing-to-wing 5 disc auto if they're to be allied. 67's FCS+1114-esque climb-n-dump is deadly, and would probably be a stronger ally than 1310, even with a wing-to-wing. Yes, 1310 has a FCS too, but its not as quick or accurate as 67's.
2) It is unlikely that 1114 will remain the only 4 digit team to win.
Too much of the strong firepower comes from newer teams for 1114 to remain the highest numbered team to win. About the only way I can see this continuing is if Archimedes is our eventual champions, with an alliance of 254/469/[other sub-1000 team (maybe 11,33,51,71,365, or 910)]
3) There will be at least two Canadian teams on Einstein, with possibly as many as 4, but they will all come from Curie and Galileo.
Obviously the easy choice would be to suggest that 1114 and 2056 make Einstein, but its likely that 1310, 4814, 1241, 610, 4039, or 4069 could end up along for the ride, regardless of if 1114 or 2056 make it.
I'm not going to attempt to predict the 2nd picks of each alliance because there's no telling what would be available or what goes through the minds of the alliance captains, but here's my picks:
Archimedes: 254 and 987
Curie: 2056 and 1717
Galileo: 1114 and 118
Newton: 1986 and 2054
Einstein: Galileo over Newton, Archimedes over Curie
Archimedes over Galileo
Have they done this in a match yet? The couple matches I saw they didn't pick up any extra discs.
We had issues with your gyro/turn controller blowing up, tuned it on an un level practice field our last comp. We have front 7 and the back 5 working.
-RC
Andrew Lawrence
20-04-2013, 16:50
Did you watch any of their matches? and no i'm not talking about their deceiving Tessier video. Yes they are capable of all what you say WHEN it works. If there ground pick ups soooo fast how come they don't really use it (because they clog easily). Most matches their Auto either doesn't work or it misses allot. They can easily be flustered by D-fence. They can only make about 4 cycles with no D-fence but they rarely make all of them. Their hanging is pitiful and i haven't seen many successful hangs. There were matches that they didn't even scour.
I'm not saying that they won't be up there in the ranks, I'm just saying that in order for them to be the first alliance's first pick they will have to be allot more reliable!
Did YOU watch any of their matches? We personally competed with them at Silicon Valley. I watched their robot from 10 feet away. They do everything Gregor listed, and more. Please become more informed about a team before blatantly dismissing them as deceiving and weak.
nlknauss
20-04-2013, 17:11
But also keep in mind there were no FCS's in MAR Champs finals (2729 don't count as they were a cycler 99% of the time), and each alliance had one ground pickup.
Presuming our camera/dashboard is back in action we're hopeful to change that 99% to a 75% or less!
I wouldn't dismiss the effectiveness of cyclers in the playoffs, especially when you consider the amount of discs left on the floor at the end of autonomous mode and the first 30 seconds of the match following. A cycler that is capable of making full court shots may be a good choice for an alliance with one or two floor pickup. The cycler can take full court shots and the misses can be gobbled up by the floor pickups. That has been our strategy throughout the season.
The other thing here is that all of the shots taken have to be quality shots with low possibility of error. This is especially important for the floor pick-up bots because they don't want to pick the same disc up more than once.
Nate
EricDrost
20-04-2013, 17:25
Mabbie you saw something i didn't. Sorry. All that i have been able to see is their scours and videos off of http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/118. im not saying that they are "weak" im just sayin that i have seen better teams like 1114,254 (They climb 30 in like 8 seconds) 245, 27, and a couple more that im forgetting.
The discussion was specifically about Galileo. Who do you believe would be the best first pick partner for 1114 in Galileo? Because I (and a number of other people here) see it as 118 going into the event.
Edit: Yes yes, I agree. A team with more auto points has a great shot of seeding above 1114 (possibly even 118).
Mabbie you saw something i didn't. Sorry. All that i have been able to see is their scours and videos off of http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/118. im not saying that they are "weak" im just sayin that i have seen better teams like 1114,254 (They climb 30 in like 8 seconds) 245, 27, and a couple more that im forgetting.
You are not very objective. 118 was better than us at SVR by every measurable except climb points (which isn't apples to apples). They were extremely good.
They were the highest scoring robot at SVR in autonomous and teleop points-averaging about 80 disc points per match, IIRC.
z_beeblebrox
20-04-2013, 17:30
The discussion was specifically about Galileo. Who do you believe would be the best first pick for 1114 in Galileo? Because I (and a number of other people here) see it as 118 going into the event.
As discussed above, it seems unlikely that 1114 will be first seed, as they only get 18 in autonomous. However, 1114 will probably be an excellent first pick for the first seed.
Anupam Goli
20-04-2013, 17:47
Did you watch any of their matches? and no i'm not talking about their deceiving Tessier video. Yes they are capable of all what you say WHEN it works. If there ground pick ups soooo fast how come they don't really use it (because they clog easily). Most matches their Auto either doesn't work or it misses allot. They can easily be flustered by D-fence. They can only make about 4 cycles with no D-fence but they rarely make all of them. Their hanging is pitiful and i haven't seen many successful hangs. There were matches that they didn't even scour.
I'm not saying that they won't be up there in the ranks, I'm just saying that in order for them to be the first alliance's first pick they will have to be allot more reliable!
118 is perhaps the most consistent robot out there, behind 1986. Ever since Lone Star, they've been able to guarantee themselves a regional victory and either the first seed or first pick. It takes a lot of skill to be able to do that at 3 different events, and Silicon Valley was one of the most stacked regionals this year. At championships, 118 will guarantee a 7 disc auto, 4-5 cycles in teleop, and a 10 point. 4 cycles is a lot, and if i recall, they do 4 cycles with plenty of defense. It seems like little defense because their drivetrain and driving skills are that good.
Also, 469 prefers to cycle despite an excellent ground pickup, and no one is going around saying 469 has a slow pickup. If you have 4 frisbees far away from eachother, it's easier to go to the feeder station and get 4 instead of driving around the entire field scouring for discs. If you noticed, 254 and 2056 always had a supply of discs close to their scoring location.
353 did have some easy matches but others we had to do all the work and carry our alliance and we have since modified our bot to do 60-80 points a match
I'm sorry, I really don't see it. 10 climb points + 18 autonomous + ??????
As the strategist whose team did a pretty good job of allowing you only one cycle in one of the qualification matches, I thought playing defense against you and preventing those cycles wasn't that difficult. And the 18 point autonomous is going to be pretty well neutralized in St. Louis.
I'm going to point to a few matches: Quals 25 (teamed with two 30 point climbers, managed 42 points total) and Quals 83 (an embarrassing 31 point total, of which I'm pretty sure our autonomous was responsible for 6-12).
Jay O'Donnell
21-04-2013, 15:55
I'd just like to step in and say please keep posts in this thread to actual predictions, not arguments about certain team's abilities. Please argue in a thread meant for that. Thanks!
Archimedes- 469, 987, 78 (not sure if it will go that deep)
Curie- 2056, 67, 120
Galileo- 118, 1114, 4069
Newton- 1986, 3476, 190
Just my thoughts
Dominick Ferone
21-04-2013, 18:33
I'm sorry, I really don't see it. 10 climb points + 18 autonomous + ??????
As the strategist whose team did a pretty good job of allowing you only one cycle in one of the qualification matches, I thought playing defense against you and preventing those cycles wasn't that difficult. And the 18 point autonomous is going to be pretty well neutralized in St. Louis.
I'm going to point to a few matches: Quals 25 (teamed with two 30 point climbers, managed 42 points total) and Quals 83 (an embarrassing 31 point total, of which I'm pretty sure our autonomous was responsible for 6-12).
For match 25 trying to get both 30 point climbers to work when they interfere with each other and us and one of them wasn't counted also that match we had a problem with our driving we had since fixed
Match 83 we were focusing more on making our future alliance then worrying about that match which was a bad move
people were able to defend us but we have practice getting around a defensive bot and added in more maneuverability with our controller like spinning 180 on a dime to do faster loading, and have improved our wheel locking mechanisms to make it harder to be pushed if we need to act as a defender and just stall people even if we don't have pushing force
HayWire1569
21-04-2013, 19:59
I think 1569 would be a great steal for 1986 in Newton ;) haha but we can't wait to show everyone we can do!!! Nothing way over the top just consistent, and strong!!!
JohnFogarty
21-04-2013, 20:16
4451 is getting picked in Newton. I guarantee it.
Abhishek R
21-04-2013, 20:17
I'd just like to step in and say please keep posts in this thread to actual predictions, not arguments about certain team's abilities. Please argue in a thread meant for that. Thanks!
Right, sorry. Just got too excited.
4451 is getting picked in Newton. I guarantee it.
Wow, I just saw a video of them, I think I wanna rethink my prediction
Wow, I just saw a video of them, I think I wanna rethink my prediction
They won five awards in Orlando.
The only team that does that type of thing is 1114.
They are one seriously polished outfit. Their pit was spotless and so neat.
Abhishek R
21-04-2013, 20:28
Their bumpers are so shiny too...
Rynocorn
21-04-2013, 21:11
Here are my predictions as seen in my April Absurdity Bracket:
Archimedes: 469, 987, 2468
Curie: 2056, 67, 4080
Galileo: 118, 1114, 2512
Newton: 1986, 195, 2789
Curie and Galileo win in the first round and Curie breaks the curse by winning with the combination of 2 full court shooters/possible cycles and the amazing ground pickup of 2056.
I really think that any of these four alliances could win it all (if they get formed) and I just can't want untill I see the outcome this year!!
They won five awards in Orlando.
The only team that does that type of thing is 1114.
They are one seriously polished outfit. Their pit was spotless and so neat.
Not anymore. With the elimination of the regional website award, and the fact that they can't apply for chairman's anymore limits them.
faust1706
21-04-2013, 22:06
At the crossroads regional, the finals were 6 robots who could all go underneath the pyramid and had a ten point hang and no full court shooter. This regional scored the most points out of every other regional. Something like 2000 points were scored in eliminations alone. I think this is a very good representation of what einstein will be like, with slightly higher scores. The lack of variation is astounding. Einstein will run a risk of running out of game pieces. If that is the case, and I'm sure it will happen, then it comes down to climb points and who has the better autonomous. A team able to put the coloured frisbees into the pyramid consistently and quickly could decide the game.
Yipyapper
21-04-2013, 23:11
I really do think that a 469/254 or 987/another team alliance would absolutely demolish everything in their path, even a superb showing by any other alliance including the likes of 2056, 1114, 118, 1986, etc. 2056 and 1114 might be the 2 best robots, but those two with a top ten bot just can't beat 469's sublime shooting rate and either 254's or 987's amazing features that they have to offer. I mean, a razor-fast 30 point climb with a competent shooter and a complimentary 7-disc autonomous in 254 or the dazzling manoeuvring, complimentary 7-disc autonomous and the laser-sharp (ha) full court shooting of 987? It makes me shudder to think of how amazing that kind of alliance would be.
I like how everyone seems to agree on Curie and Galileo captain/first pick (2056/67 and 118/1114). Even Archimedes we mostly seem to agree 2 of (254/469/987) will probably be the winning alliance.
My suspicion is that both the Curie and Galileo pairs will be looking for a floor pickup bot with a wing-to-wing 5 disc. IMO, a reliable wing-to-wing 5 is probably one of the single most desirable features to the top alliances at CMP. 469's got it, 1477 was working on it. Anyone else have one? Lots of teams are doing the center-forward 7 disc. Many of those will be top seeds, and pulling the 15 disc perfect auto requires that plus a wing-to-wing 5, or an as yet unseen 9 disc auto, with a 1241-esque pickup, albeit needing more ground clearance than 1241 has.
Samwaldo
22-04-2013, 10:56
How has no one said Team 33! They too are a great pick and their ground pickup is even better than most
EricLeifermann
22-04-2013, 11:21
Now that the preliminary match schedules have come out I want to see if anybody will revise their picks...
Jay O'Donnell
22-04-2013, 11:52
How has no one said Team 33! They too are a great pick and their ground pickup is even better than most
I have them being on the third seed alliance and losing in the semis. They are very good, but they are in a rough division.
rwkling1
22-04-2013, 11:58
A-987, 254, 469
C-67, 148, 4564
G- 2512, 2169, 610 upset 118, 1114, 125
N- 1986, 2052, 2826
C beats A
G beats N
C beats G
Jay O'Donnell
22-04-2013, 12:00
A-987, 254, 469
C-67, 148, 4564
G- 2512, 2169, 610 upset 118, 1114, 125
N- 1986, 2052, 2826
C beats A
G beats N
C beats G
Ummm how is that Archimedes alliance going to happen? Those are three of the best teams in the division and none of them will likely fall that far in the draft.
Kevin Leonard
22-04-2013, 12:03
A-987, 254, 469
C-67, 148, 4564
G- 2512, 2169, 610 upset 118, 1114, 125
N- 1986, 2052, 2826
C beats A
G beats N
C beats G
If 469 is available as a 2nd pick, I would be amazed at the FIRST community. In addition why would 67 pick 148? They're both FCS- although I know nothing about 4564.
Jay O'Donnell
22-04-2013, 12:06
If 469 is available as a 2nd pick, I would be amazed at the FIRST community. In addition why would 67 pick 148? They're both FCS- although I know nothing about 4564.
4564 is a rookie from Maine, and they are a good cycler and have a 10 point hang.
Rynocorn
22-04-2013, 12:54
And is 2512 supposed to be an alliance captain? Even though I love ther robots full court shooting and pickup abilities and have them making it to einstein, I have them in as a second selection not a top 8 team
EricLeifermann
22-04-2013, 13:03
A-987, 254, 469
C-67, 148, 4564
G- 2512, 2169, 610 upset 118, 1114, 125
N- 1986, 2052, 2826
C beats A
G beats N
C beats G
Love the Newton picks :D but there is no way that 3 FCS with 1 (610) being also a cycler all with only 10 point hangs would beat 118, 1114, and 125 unless there was robot malfunctions.
2512, 2169 and 610 are awesome robots but that combo of robots for an alliance doesn't make any sense.
EricDrost
22-04-2013, 13:44
A-987, 254, 469
C-67, 148, 4564
G- 2512, 2169, 610 upset 118, 1114, 125
N- 1986, 2052, 2826
C beats A
G beats N
C beats G
I like how you have C beating A. I don't think any three robots in the world could beat 987/254/469 except maybe 2056/118/1114 (not in the same divisions).
Yipyapper
22-04-2013, 16:36
I like how everyone seems to agree on Curie and Galileo captain/first pick (2056/67 and 118/1114). Even Archimedes we mostly seem to agree 2 of (254/469/987) will probably be the winning alliance.
My suspicion is that both the Curie and Galileo pairs will be looking for a floor pickup bot with a wing-to-wing 5 disc. IMO, a reliable wing-to-wing 5 is probably one of the single most desirable features to the top alliances at CMP. 469's got it, 1477 was working on it. Anyone else have one? Lots of teams are doing the center-forward 7 disc. Many of those will be top seeds, and pulling the 15 disc perfect auto requires that plus a wing-to-wing 5, or an as yet unseen 9 disc auto, with a 1241-esque pickup, albeit needing more ground clearance than 1241 has.
We've got a 5-disc auton working on our practice bot... whether that translates into real success at champs is the question :rolleyes:
Yipyapper
22-04-2013, 16:38
I like how you have C beating A. I don't think any three robots in the world could beat 987/254/469 except maybe 2056/118/1114 (not in the same divisions).
I agree with this so much. Those robots are positively lethal, making up 3 of my personal top 5. I'd only see them lose against 2056/1114 together, but then I don't think anyone could trump those two together.
dubiousSwain
22-04-2013, 17:42
316 wins Einstein
Kevin Leonard
22-04-2013, 18:20
316 wins Einstein
According to my April Absurdity bracket, that's true!
Sir Zordor
22-04-2013, 18:36
just saying if you are going to have 4564 be selected, might as well have us selected as well ;p (adding lexan shield/netting to stop FCS) have good passive defense, not a linebacker though, and we are able to work with any strategy not just defense as we are working on our 4th cycle per match, have 10 point climb, 18 auton (can set up anywhere) so we dont have the best bot, but we can work with any situation, and we dont use much battery and use no pnuematics so not worried about items breaking on the robot, hasnt so far and I doubt we will see it happen. Just saying though, Virginia is bringing a storm. #1541 #1262 and our North Carolina friends #435 (undefeated at NC regional). Hope to see us on your April Absurdity brackets :)
Derek012
22-04-2013, 20:19
Team 4564 keeps it simple as well, they made some blockers for the robot for championships, no pneumatic systems and they increased their shooting speed while keeping the same accuracy from what people saw at pine tree, along with some sensors to help the drivers know when to shoot. Its gonna be interesting to see how they do.
Sir Zordor
22-04-2013, 20:40
Ill agree, you have perked my interest, I think we play them in our 6th match (if it is we are allied with 1541 :) gonna be fun)
Zebra_Fact_Man
23-04-2013, 15:58
7 disk auto and 30 point climb.
254, 1986.
1918 can do a 5 disc auto and put up 50 pyramid points. I don't see why with a little additional coding, they couldn't add two more discs to their auton. Their floor pickup is very similar to both 70 and 2474, two known 7disc autons.
stuart2054
24-04-2013, 19:55
They can and probably will! The NC Gears are great team and they will bring their "A:" Game to Champs. 2474 Excel and 2000 Team Rock are also teams to watch from West Michigan. I know these teams well from being from the "west side".
Everybody seems to know about the east side but look out for West Michigan in 2013!!!!;)
Citrus Dad
29-04-2013, 19:08
I predict another rookie goes to Einstein in some way shape or form.
4814 almost captained an alliance! We had to fight and claw our way past them in the Curie final.
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