View Full Version : Best Team Without A Win in 2013
lakstick
23-04-2013, 22:22
Who do you think is the best team that didn't win any event this year? In my personal opinion, I would have to say 3476 - Code Orange is the best without a win. Their incredible autonomous and floor pickup is amazing! Unfortunately, they caught some unlucky breaks in eliminations. Also, being a Michigan team, I'm shocked that 67 - The HOT Team hasn't won any districts this year! What are your thoughts?
I think this is the unanimous winner: Team 624 Cryptonite.
I think this is the unanimous winner: Team 624 Cryptonite.
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nikeairmancurry
23-04-2013, 22:25
67 anyone? *Still have a chance at Champs
I'm a little biased toward Iowa teams, but Neutrino (3928) had a really good bot this year.
1310. 2 Time finalist to 1114 and 2056, second pick (after 1114) both times, 7 disk auto, full court, 10 point hang, AND a decent cycler.
mr.roboto2826
23-04-2013, 22:27
I'm a little biased toward Iowa teams, but Neutrino (3928) had a really good bot this year.
I will gladly second this notion, coming from Wisconsin :D
2826 Wave Robotics. They had an epic robot but were defeated in the finals for both of their regionals. They did win Chairman's at Northern Lights though.
rzoeller
23-04-2013, 22:41
2826 Wave Robotics. They had an epic robot but were defeated in the finals for both of their regionals. They did win Chairman's at Northern Lights though.
I'll second this. We faced Wave in the finals matches and they put up some tough competition and an incredible robot. I feel they could have won had the seeding system at Northern Lights not been completely disrupted by the opening four consecutive rejections.
mdiradoorian
23-04-2013, 22:46
I am not being biased or anything but Team 696 should have had a win this year along with Team 3476 Code Orange in Inland Empire.
Billfred
23-04-2013, 22:48
From the South, I'm inclined to say 4451. Combined quals record of 15-2-0, semis at Palmetto (with their only recorded fall), silver at Orlando running flawlessly. Then add in two Rookie All-Star wins and two UL Industrial Safety awards, and I'd say they're in the conversation for best team without a win.
I don't know whether 54 points a match punches your ticket to Saturday afternoon this weekend, but you can't argue with their numbers so far.
/huh
Hahah, it's internet slang for saying that the thread is over and anything worth saying has already been said. But apparently people think this discussion has merit. I personally hadn't thought about 67.
M. Lillis
23-04-2013, 22:59
2791 really picked up their game at WPI. Although 2168's killer defense defeated 2791 in finals (along with every other team), I thought that 2791 deserved a spot at CMP. (I'm biased, but 177 also)
Lil' Lavery
23-04-2013, 23:17
Highest peak performance without a win in 2013? Definitely the HOT team, hands down.
Most consistently good without a win in 2013? Either 1310 or 624, in my book.
From CA,
971 had a great robot with 7 disc auto (Finalist at Sac and Quarterfinalist at SVR)
3970 was an excellent cycler with a zippy drivtrain that flew over discs. (Finalist at CVR as 1st pick)
330 has a great robot, 5-7 disc auto, sub 30" robot that could block at almost 84". (Semifinalist at LA against winner and Quarterfinalist at LV against winner)
599 sub 30 full court shooter and cycler, made a habbit out of the buzzer beater climber. (Quarterfinalist at SD against winner and Finalist at LA)
294 had great defensive abilities with their intake, and weren't bad at shootin either. (Quarterfinalist at CVR and LA, both times against Finalist)(previous 2 time world champs)
From my neck of the woods, I'd say 3928, 2826, and 1625 (in no particular order)
MrTechCenter
23-04-2013, 23:29
1662. First seed at the Sacramento regional. Excellent and zippy drivetrain. Fast feeder. Good ground pickup for 5 disc autonomous. Quick ten point hang.
Blackphantom91
23-04-2013, 23:50
624: The robot from Texas should definitely be at championships this year and were a very good robot this year with an good team to match.
1625: Although things were rocky at there first regional they pulled themselves together at Midwest to make it to a regional finalist.
3928: This robot absolutely surprised me at Kansas City Regional with an great 7 disk and wonderful students.
67: Well Hot is looking very good for championships with lots of different problems plaguing them this season they still made it to MSC Finals and Troy Finals. 67 is an great team who can pull themselves from the clutches of defeat.
3528: Upnext is a very good team whom is coming through the ranks and becoming an Kansas/Missouri powerhouse with an very accurate 5 disk and good ground game they built an really good robot this year with all the fixings.
971: When I first saw this robot I was like That is by far one of the coolest looking intakes I have seen. They are an great Floor pickup robot.
2826: Wave has an incredible cycler robot with an 5 disk to match. Basically playing 111 alone after there climb and dump was TKO but they kept up in points. This robot has made "waves" (see what I did there:yikes: )
Those are all I can think of currently. Personally 624 which we are close friends with is the general winner. /thread
JohnFogarty
24-04-2013, 00:31
624 </thread>
3974 from MAR was one of the best robots to not have a win. Finalists in both their district events (lost to daisy both times), then had issues at MAR. Solid reliable auton, very fast cycles, and dependable 10 point hang. Really wish they had gotten to St Louis...
Regional bias, but 3928 had one heck of a showing at both their competitions. Having personally seen them at Greater Kansas City, all I can say is WOW :eek:. Their team single handedly matched Titanium point for point and probably scared the bejeesus out of them when Neutrino unveiled a 7 disc auto. All that coming from a 2nd year team.
This year, however, has been great for teams that are the best to go without a regional win. The wild card system is the best for those teams that are "always a maid, never a bride."
Kevin Leonard
24-04-2013, 11:45
From the northeast I'd say 2791, Shaker Robotics- 1st seed and finalist at WPI with us, and if they hadn't jammed like they did (or any of the other issues plaguing our alliance didn't happen) they would have punched a ticket to CMP right there.
Also 177, Bobcats. Fierce competitors with a fantastic robot at both WPI and Connecticut. They showed off a decent full court shot at CT, and their cycling at WPI was also good. It's a shame their 30-point climber was never working, because that could have won them some matches.
Also at CT, Gus Robotics, 228, was a great and FAST cycling machine.
Same with 2067, who had gotten their 5-disc auto working as well as their good cycling game by CT.
3974 from MAR was one of the best robots to not have a win. Finalists in both their district events (lost to daisy both times), then had issues at MAR. Solid reliable auton, very fast cycles, and dependable 10 point hang. Really wish they had gotten to St Louis...
Thanks for the vote of confidence. We were pretty disappointed when we had those mechanical problems at MAR. (Every match we thought we fixed it, something new popped up. Unbalanced shooter wheel, broken bracket used to mount the wheel, wrong speed programmed into the new, larger motor.) Losing 2-1 in two district finals loomed larger than we though it would.
But I think we're battle-tested now and ready to roll into our third season with lots of confidence! And we'll be watching the webcast and looking for our friends from MAR: 2590, 2729, 341, 1676, 316, and the others... not to mention Chairman's winners 433 and 1218 and rookie sensation 4637.
I want to take this opportunity to wish all the MAR teams best of luck this week!
3974 from MAR was one of the best robots to not have a win. Finalists in both their district events (lost to daisy both times), then had issues at MAR. Solid reliable auton, very fast cycles, and dependable 10 point hang. Really wish they had gotten to St Louis...
i'll second this.
Anupam Goli
25-04-2013, 19:19
Regional biasing maybe, but I can't believe no one has mentioned 2415. Their cRIO problems really plagued them, but they have a 7 disc auto and their shooting accuracy is phenomenal. Their championship performance so far is also a good indicator of a strong team that has yet to win an event.
Akash Rastogi
25-04-2013, 20:05
Regional biasing maybe, but I can't believe no one has mentioned 2415. Their cRIO problems really plagued them, but they have a 7 disc auto and their shooting accuracy is phenomenal. Their championship performance so far is also a good indicator of a strong team that has yet to win an event.
Definitely going to 2nd this. 2415 is doing incredibly well at champs, it is clear that cRIO issues were the reason they didn't earn a win so far this season.
Lil' Lavery
25-04-2013, 21:18
Definitely going to 2nd this. 2415 is doing incredibly well at champs, it is clear that cRIO issues were the reason they didn't earn a win so far this season.
Honestly, I think that's selling the 79/379/383 alliance that beat them in DC short. 2415 is truly awesome, but I can't say that the #2 alliance would have beaten the #5 alliance in DC with 100% confidence. That #5 alliance packed one heck of a wallop, and all three teams were playing their best at the right time.
CLandrum3081
25-04-2013, 22:03
2826. Amazing robot and spectacular to see at Northern Lights. I'm so glad they're at champs.
Andrew Lawrence
25-04-2013, 23:26
If it's best team without a win, I think 907 takes the gold. They didn't win a single match their first event. Their OPR was over 50, and they did exceedingly well their second event.
martin417
26-04-2013, 06:44
Honestly, I think that's selling the 79/379/383 alliance that beat them in DC short. 2415 is truly awesome, but I can't say that the #2 alliance would have beaten the #5 alliance in DC with 100% confidence. That #5 alliance packed one heck of a wallop, and all three teams were playing their best at the right time.
Well, I wouldn't say that the 79/379/383 alliance ever did beat them. In match one, where 2415 played, they won 113 to 69. 2415 never played again. they sat out the second match of finals to try to get the Crio back on-line, and in the third match, they called in a backup. I realize it's just semantics, but in order to lose to someone, don't you have to play?
Lil' Lavery
26-04-2013, 10:37
Well, I wouldn't say that the 79/379/383 alliance ever did beat them. In match one, where 2415 played, they won 113 to 69. 2415 never played again. they sat out the second match of finals to try to get the Crio back on-line, and in the third match, they called in a backup. I realize it's just semantics, but in order to lose to someone, don't you have to play?
And in the one match that 2415 won, 79 tipped over. The two alliances never met at "full strength." The 79/379/383 alliance was consistently putting up higher scores than the 116/2415/4466 alliance through the entire elimination tournament. Granted, the #5 alliance was rolling three offensive machines as compared to the 2 offensive and one defensive scheme of the #2 alliance, but the balanced scoring of the #5 alliance was also very difficult to defend.
Nobody on the 116/2415/4466 alliance thought the finals would be easy or a guaranteed win, even before 2415's cRio issues. 4466's shooter was no longer working properly, so we couldn't match their offensive style (which would have been our preferred solution), and it was difficult to pick and ideal target for 4466 to defend given that all three of their machines were scoring very well.
Yipyapper
26-04-2013, 23:11
I think that with 1310's absolutely amazing performance so far in Curie, I'd say they are the best team without a win. Not even considering their great performances cut short by 1114/2056 at two events, they have the second highest autonomous score next to 2056 (short by a measly 4 points, I remember seeing a match where they fumbled one) and the fourth highest teleop score next to 195 in Newton and 2169/1425 in Galileo.
So much for a 2nd-tier team. I've got a feeling that they'll be fighting—and succeeding—to be the top of the Canadian block in future years. Even this year, they have an excellent chance at being either alliance captain or first pick for the first two seeds.
Juan Martinez
27-04-2013, 00:21
Hot after we beat them out at waterford during quarterfinals
We got the wild card at IER.
Chris Fultz
28-04-2013, 11:10
After being around the field with them this weekend at Curie - 67 is absolutely the best robot to not win an event in 2013. Awesome machine.
Yipyapper
28-04-2013, 12:44
They might not be as good as 67 or 1310, but 1241 had a fantastic robot that won it all with 610 and 1477 with an EI giving them a berth to champs.
Adam Freeman
28-04-2013, 12:52
They might not be as good as 67 or 1310, but 1241 had a fantastic robot that won it all with 610 and 1477 with an EI giving them a berth to champs.
I don't think they qualify anymore. ;)
Anyone on this list would love to trade spots with 1241 yesterday.
jwallace15
28-04-2013, 14:16
2826 Wave Robotics. They had an epic robot but were defeated in the finals for both of their regionals. They did win Chairman's at Northern Lights though.
It was great to be on an alliance with them in the Newton division finals, They have a great robot.
prerob96
28-04-2013, 14:44
I would have to say it was 2337 the enginerds. They had an awesome robot and went far at worlds in galileo.
In my personal opinion, I would have to say 3476 - Code Orange is the best without a win. Their incredible autonomous and floor pickup is amazing!Situation remedied. ;)
Not to toot my own horn or anything but I feel like a lot of Michigan teams, Truck included, do very well but come up short when it comes to wins.
My team is happy that for the first time we will not be appearing on this thread :) I would have to say 67 or 2337. Both are great teams that did very well this year and went far on their field at champs but just didn't manage to get a win
Jim Zondag
01-05-2013, 22:53
After being around the field with them this weekend at Curie - 67 is absolutely the best robot to not win an event in 2013. Awesome machine.
Despite not actually finishing first in the regular season for the first time in many many years, 67's great legacy of success and excellent CMP performance has kept them in the #1 spot in my analysis of 13 years of CMP performance. Despite no gold in 2013, they are still "the best team ever" to many of us. Great job HOT.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2383
Andrew Schreiber
01-05-2013, 23:00
Well, I wouldn't say that the 79/379/383 alliance ever did beat them. In match one, where 2415 played, they won 113 to 69. 2415 never played again. they sat out the second match of finals to try to get the Crio back on-line, and in the third match, they called in a backup. I realize it's just semantics, but in order to lose to someone, don't you have to play?
I wish we'd played them. Which is why, if you were to look over to 2415's side of the field during Match 2, you'd see a crowd of Krunch Blue standing by if they needed anything. I wish we could have played with both alliances firing on full cylinders, it would have been fun.
JohnFogarty
02-05-2013, 08:26
2415 was honestly my favorite pure shooter, floor pickup, 10-pt climber of any team.
rwkling1
02-05-2013, 12:06
I would have to say team 2826, they built an amazing robot, and still went to champs because they won the chairman's award
EricLeifermann
02-05-2013, 12:14
I would have to say team 2826, they built an amazing robot, and still went to champs because they won the chairman's award
Thanks for the props. Though we had a good year we definitely feel we under performed at Champs. Could never get our comp bot to work as well as our practice bot, oh well just means we will be even hungrier and work even harder next year.
Back on topic, I feel that 624 and 67 are the best robots to not win this year. The numbers these teams put up were insane.
With Champs being over, I think that this unfortunate title can be handed to team 67, the GM mean machine from Milford Michigan. Given that this is 67's first year in who knows how many years (Possibly their existence) without a single win, being outed in Quarters, then THREE Finals in a row must hurt for them. To quote (probably more paraphrasing), this team is one where "Excellence is the standard. Victory is expected." They built one of the most feared robots in FIRST this year, as they do every year. Strikingly similar to the 1114 bot, their FCS, when in place, would rapidly fill up the third goal and almost never miss a shot. Once they've finally emptied the feeder station (Read: At the one minute mark), they would get their fill of colored discs and proceed to travel to the corner of the pyramid to begin their (literal) pyramid-jarring ascent for a solid 50 point end game.
I would have put money on them, if I were 21.
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