Championships: Live Thoughts and Updates

[Jay O'Donnell]

Hey everyone,
Due to the large amount of mobile devices that can go online but not on to webcasts, I figured it would be a good idea to have a thread to discuss all the events of champs as they happen. I also figure that one thread is all we need for discussion about certain team's triumphs, disappointments, and other awesome moments.
Thanks and have fun!

[Steven Donow]

Awesome idea,especially for all of us stuck at home, in school/work wanting to watch webcasts(but can't)

[aditya29]

Anyone know whether the preliminary quals schedule is going to be changed? Doesn't look like the quals schedules have been uploaded to the division pages just yet, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

[Golto]

I've been keeping up using the FRC Spyder app for iPhone

[ErikEdhlund]

As far as we know in the stands, it is remaining the same for at least Galileo

[lynca]

As far as we know in the stands, it is remaining the same for at least Galileo

I wonder why FRC has not published the schedule on the main championship page.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/championship-event?id=432

The matches will be starting in less than 2 hours, but no online schedule yet.

[aditya29]

I wonder why FRC has not published the schedule on the main championship page.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/championship-event?id=432

The matches will be starting in less than 2 hours, but no online schedule yet.

Yeah, I was wondering if I needed to do a hard refresh on my browser to get the schedule to show up, but I guess it just isn't online at this point.

I've been keeping up using the FRC Spyder app for iPhone
Is Spyder really updated with the match schedule for you? I've been refreshing event info from within the app, and the schedule remains blank (not to mention that I thought the app just pulls the schedule from the appropriate webpage).

[Hallry]

As far as we know in the stands, it is remaining the same for at least Galileo

Same for Newton.

[Gregor]

Well, any updates from practice matches? Any cool additions, did 118 add their 30 point?

[smistthegreat]

Well, any updates from practice matches? Any cool additions, did 118 add their 30 point?

118 just played, no 30 point to be seen. Over on Curie, 1717 redid their feeding mechanism and can now full court shoot.

[Daniel Brim]

Well, any updates from practice matches? Any cool additions, did 118 add their 30 point?

1114 very narrowly missed a nasty fall. They fell from 30, but they managed to get wedged between the first and second rungs. If not for that, they would have landed on their shooter.

[mcarobotics]

They fell from 30, but they managed to get wedged between the first and second rungs.

Does anyone have video of this?

[Racer26]

Seconding the request for video, knowing how their climber works I'm having trouble understanding how it fell from 30

[dodar]

Seconding the request for video, knowing how their climber works I'm having trouble understanding how it fell from 30

Maybe they got rotated a little bit or the arm pulled out of the robot?

[Johnnybukkel]

I missed the game with 326 is the announcer saying the whole name?

[Daniel Brim]

Maybe they got rotated a little bit or the arm pulled out of the robot?
They got 2/3 up to 30 and started twisting. Climbed successfully in their first match.

I attached a terrible picture of the aftermath. Not much I could do with the iPhone from my vantage point.

[Steven Donow]

I missed the game with 326 is the announcer saying the whole name?

He did say the whole name prior to the start of the match.

[Sean Schuff]

They got 2/3 up to 30 and started twisting. Climbed successfully in their first match.

I attached a terrible picture of the aftermath. Not much I could do with the iPhone from my vantage point.

Looks like they must have twisted off the corner since they are wedged on the side of the pyramid. They had a great showing in their first match on Galileo.

[MagiChau]

I missed the game with 326 is the announcer saying the whole name?

The announcer for Archimedes is Tom Nader, of course he is saying their whole name.

[jafisher]

Current high score of 231, courtesy of teams 3824, 1706 and 16 on Curie.

[Akash Rastogi]

2415 put up a beautiful 7 disc auton in match 22 on Archi. Could've broken 200 points with 11 I think if their digital sidecar hadn't come unplugged in the last end of the match. Expect 2415 to be a major force on Archi!

[Bennett548]

The announcer for Archimedes is Tom Nader, of course he is saying their whole name.

Teamsuperpowermaticultramegasuperlativeawesometast icdelcioushowlingunieagles

I'm having a hard time reading the name without any spaces, is the end "howling-uni-eagles"? I wonder why they changed it from "Extreme Eagles".

[MagiChau]

Teamsuperpowermaticultramegasuperlativeawesometast icdelcioushowlingunieagles

I'm having a hard time reading the name without any spaces, is the end "howling-uni-eagles"? I wonder why they changed it from "Extreme Eagles".

Yeah that is how you read the last part. I probably should have asked them when I had the chance. Maybe someone from their team can shed some light on this.

[Johnnybukkel]

Yeah that is how you read the last part. I probably should have asked them when I had the chance. Maybe someone from their team can shed some light on this.
I'm sure it will be a good story to hear I'm curious too.

[faust1706]

Current high score of 231, courtesy of teams 3824, 1706 and 16 on Curie.

:D That's what happens when a 3 point full court shooter gets free reign of the field. We put up 150 points alone.

[faust1706]

Teamsuperpowermaticultramegasuperlativeawesometast icdelcioushowlingunieagles


We have an electronic scouting device, and those groups of kids programming the app got very upset because there is a 50 character limit to the team name length.

[Johnnybukkel]

We have an electronic scouting device, and those groups of kids programming the app got very upset because there is a 50 character limit to the team name length.
That's just great haha. Get your programmers to fix that maybe?

[Steven Donow]

Does anyone there, reading this thread, know anything about scholarship announcements? Like, do they announce them at each school's specific booths on scholarship row? I'm personally waiting to find out if I got the Northeastern University scholarship...

[JohnSchneider]

Does anyone there, reading this thread, know anything about scholarship announcements? Like, do they announce them at each school's specific booths on scholarship row? I'm personally waiting to find out if I got the Northeastern University scholarship...

I remember getting a notification for mine in the mail.

[Handlebar Hank]

what y'all make of this website I found...

http://www.aremustachesoutyet.com

[nikeairmancurry]

Well now time to shed the light. By the way, Tom Nadar did not say the team name of either match (as he was elsewhere), but I do write out the name broken up by words for every game announcer and walk them through how to say it correctly,

So prior to the 2011 season, the team had grown unhappy with the team name and felt a change was in order. The original plan was for some kind of acronym name like HoT or RUSH. So the process began with writing all kinds of words on the white board. When we couldn't decide where to go from there, we said, "let's just use them all and make one long name." I believe it's a total of 77 characters.

We did not think FIRST would allow such a long name when we submitted it, but they did and so we kept it. We actually really enjoy the name. We never shy away from the endless askings of how to say it. There have also been no regrets to the change.

We do though use the name "Extreme Eagles" when needed. It was actually used during the live MSC boardcast on DPTV.

Sometimes it's fun to be different. If there are any more questions about the name or robot, please feel free to PM me. I'll be happy to answer them.

[Chris is me]

:D That's what happens when a 3 point full court shooter gets free reign of the field. We put up 150 points alone.

If you scored every disk in the feeder station into the three point goal, you would score 153 points. Did you miss only a single disc?

[Walter Deitzler]

If you scored every disk in the feeder station into the three point goal, you would score 153 points. Did you miss only a single disc?

After seeing the damage they wreaked at St. Louis regional, I would believe it.

[Rynocorn]

I think they are counting autonomous points into their 150 and they also could have shot the colored discs which would give them 51 shots

[SoccerTaco]

If you scored every disk in the feeder station into the three point goal, you would score 153 points. Did you miss only a single disc?

Hmmm, as one of the teams on that alliance, I'm very, very confused by the 150 point claim...

[PVCpirate]

So was this "Make it Loud" Award that was given to Will.I.Am described in any way? I'm interested to see if they're going to make this a thing or if it was a one-time deal.

[Johnnybukkel]

Well now time to shed the light. By the way, Tom Nadar did not say the team name of either match (as he was elsewhere), but I do write out the name broken up by words for every game announcer and walk them through how to say it correctly,

So prior to the 2011 season, the team had grown unhappy with the team name and felt a change was in order. The original plan was for some kind of acronym name like HoT or RUSH. So the process began with writing all kinds of words on the white board. When we couldn't decide where to go from there, we said, "let's just use them all and make one long name." I believe it's a total of 77 characters.

We did not think FIRST would allow such a long name when we submitted it, but they did and so we kept it. We actually really enjoy the name. We never shy away from the endless askings of how to say it. There have also been no regrets to the change.

We do though use the name "Extreme Eagles" when needed. It was actually used during the live MSC boardcast on DPTV.

Sometimes it's fun to be different. If there are any more questions about the name or robot, please feel free to PM me. I'll be happy to answer them.
That's awesome! Did you plan on changing what name it says your team is on this site?

[Lil' Lavery]

If you scored every disk in the feeder station into the three point goal, you would score 153 points. Did you miss only a single disc?

150 - 18 (autonomous) - 10 (hang) - 20 (pyramid goal) = 102 points in the high goal during tele = 34 discs in the high goal during tele

[Gregor]

Here's my recap after two days of Canadian teams and their achievements.

On Curie, 4814 has gone 7-0 and sitting in third place, a mere 14 AP behind second. 2056 and 1310 are sitting in fourth and fifth, each going 6-1, separated by 4 AP. 3990's close behind going 5-2.

Galileo has 1114 seeded second and 610 in fifth, both also going 6-1, separated by 20 AP. 4334 is sitting in 8th, going 6-1 too. 1241 is nipping at their heels in 11th going 5-1-1.

Newton didn't see as much Canadian success on the field, with 4476 seeded the highest at 25th, but Kaley Bibic from the Waffles(4476) won Dean's List!

Archimedes hasn't been too kind to Canadian teams, with 1334 the highest ranked all the way down at 29th, but with impressive teleop scores who knows where they'll rank.

It's no mistake that of the 10 teams listed here, we have 7 regional winners, 2 finalists, and an RAS. This is the best of the best of Canada shining on the world stage.

[Littleboy]

Here's my recap after two days of Canadian teams and their achievements.

Galileo has 1114 seeded second and 610 in fifth, both also going 6-1, separated by 20 AP. 1241 is nipping at their heels in 11th going 5-1-1.


Also on Galileo is 4334. Currently seeded 8th with a record of 6-1.

[Gregor]

Also on Galileo is 4334. Currently seeded 8th with a record of 6-1.

Whoops. That adds another regional winner to the list. Thanks!

[Jefferson]

:D That's what happens when a 3 point full court shooter gets free reign of the field. We put up 150 points alone.

Link to the match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0i6-PwUqwU

3284: 94
16: 91
1706: 46

[nikeairmancurry]

That's awesome! Did you plan on changing what name it says your team is on this site?

Well, I probably should.

[Yipyapper]

Is anyone else hearing a really loud rumbling in downtown St. Louis? Because the Cardinals' game is over, I don't see anything else that could cause it.

[JamieSinn]

Whoops. That adds another regional winner to the list. Thanks!
1305 has won at GTRE

[Gregor]

1305 has won at GTRE

1305 didn't compete at GTRE, and didn't win any robot awards this year.

[Joe Matt]

Thank you FIRST for creating the MAKE IT LOUD award for will.i.am. He deserved it with creating a $300 camera add on for an iPhone and doing a 5pm special for FIRST years ago. What a guy. Maybe someday he'll invest his own money into sponsoring lots of teams! (Maybe he did already? I don't know.)

Thanks,

Someone who got out before it sunk too low.


PS: Dean stop asking college kids to contribute in college. Let them grow and come back.

[Abhishek R]

Live thought: The declines on Curie a) probably ensured the continuance of the Curie Curse and b) a lot of people's predictions are going to be wrong ^^

[Alex Cormier]

Thank you FIRST for creating the MAKE IT LOUD award for will.i.am. He deserved it with creating a $300 camera add on for an iPhone and doing a 5pm special for FIRST years ago. What a guy. Maybe someday he'll invest his own money into sponsoring lots of teams! (Maybe he did already? I don't know.)

Thanks,

Someone who got out before it sunk too low.


PS: Dean stop asking college kids to contribute in college. Let them grow and come back.

Hey Joe!

Thanks for your yearly post of bitterness.


(But I do agree somewhat...)

[Gregor]

Here's a Canadian review going into the division eliminations.

Archimedes:

1334 was the only Canadian picked, sitting as the first pick from the 8th seed. They have to play the powerhouse alliance of 2415 and 987 first, and are looking to pull an upset.

Curie:

This division was totally scorched with 4 declines, leaving anyone with the chance at winning.

Watch out for 4814 captaining the number three alliance, alongside 3 time world champion full court shooter team 67, and team 1918 with a 5 disk auto and a 30 point climb. They also picked up the highest rookie seed award.

2056 is nipping at their heels, captaining alliance number 4. They picked up team 967 and on the way back up the draft grabbed Quebec team 3990, 2012 world RAS winners.

Yet another Canadian is an alliance captain in Curie, with 1310 captaining the number 5 alliance. They selected team 3824 and 1684.

Galileo:

The number one seed on Galileo is a massive powerhouse, with team 118 selecting teams 1114 and 4039, both Canadians who are good for 5 cycles, with 1114 having a climb on top. They are the heavy favourites for Galileo.

1241 is captaining the number 5 alliance, selecting teams 1477 and 610. 1477 and 610 are both regional winners from the number one captain position, and is probably the biggest threat to the number one alliance.

4334 is right below them on the 6th alliance, alongside their captain 3656 and fellow full court shooter 1806.

Newton:

This division was not very kind to Canadian teams, but team 4476 managed to pick up the highest rookie seed award.

[bam-bam]

Eliminations are starting in all four divisions.

[mman1506]

1310 auton shots hit the pyramid bar :eek: but they still won by 2 points!

[Abhishek R]

Watching 254 vs 33 was like watching two vacuum cleaners fight over the floor.

[mman1506]

Here's a pic of 1114's second mishap, I think there piston "locker" is hitting the bar causing them to twist.

[bam-bam]

1114 is having problems that are hitting them at the worst possible time.

[MagiChau]

1114 is having problems that are hitting them at the worst possible time.

Wow, I thought they were just about to be upset. Those fouls hurts.

[xraymypanda]

What happened to 1114's climber? I missed the match where they didn't climb and they didn't climb in SF 1-1

[Steven Donow]

What happened to 1114's climber? I missed the match where they didn't climb and they didn't climb in SF 1-1

In SF1-1, it looked like it was flexing like crazy and their hooks were unable to grab/latch onto the bars above the second level.

[dellagd]

1114 has failed to get to the 3rd level two times in a row now. Looks like that fall actually did some damage

[Abhishek R]

It seemed like, either from prior problems or the defense in the match, 1114's arm did not extend enough to reach the 2nd level, so they were stuck at level 1. They were awarded a ton of foul points and a 30 point climb, enough to push them over for a win.

[Lil' Lavery]

So many fouls for interfering with climbs. Decided more than one match, including eliminating the 2056/967/3990 alliance.

[mman1506]

Im going to guess one of there constant force springs is damaged and causing one side not to fully extend. There climber is pretty protected against defence

[bam-bam]

Newton F1-1

303-3476-1640 (Blue)
1538-1986-2959 (Red)

247-193

Blue was leading the whole match.

[Robby Unruh]

2056 can't be too happy about those foul points. 967 slammed into 148 as they pulled our their climbing mechanism- giving red a huge 50 bonus. 165-156!

[Lil' Lavery]

Red can't let 303 have free reign on that goal.

[Steven Donow]

Red can't let 303 have free reign on that goal.

Yet again, 217 is probably going to realize the power of the pool noodles :D

[Abhishek R]

IMO Someone needs to camp out and let 148 shoot full-court before they go hang to maximize their efficiency.

[bam-bam]

1114 has taken them out of the dumping club for sure with a VERY bad twist on their arm.

Seriously, with the arm already in that condition (they called a timeout for crying out loud), already climbing, only to twist it again. It's going to take one hell of a miracle.

[mman1506]

Something is really wrong

[bam-bam]

3476-1640-303 are Newton champions. Congratulations.

What an upset. Who would've thought?

[A. Estrella 78]

Archimedes
Finals 1
469, 33, 1519
While 1519 shot full field ,and 469
occasionally did, 33 would wait under the
goal and pick up frisbees that their alliance
partners missed. From there they picked up from
the floor and shot straight up into the goal
giving them a victory and advantage for
the next match. Great finals strategy.

[MagiChau]

Such a horrible way for 1114 and 118 to get knocked out in the semi finals. Also dang at 1986 1538 and 217 being upset in the finals. No one expected that.

[Abhishek R]

Such a horrible way for 1114 and 118 to get knocked out in the semi finals. Also dang at 1986 1538 and 217 being upset in the finals. No one expected that.

1114 and 118 have one more game, don't they? But I mean, it's not like 610, 1241, and 1477 is stacked or anything

[xraymypanda]

the 3476-303-1640 alliance looks to be in the mood to topple giants, they certainly gave 1538-1986-217 a good run for their money. Can't wait to see who else ends up on Einstein

[Robby Unruh]

1918 took a huge fall from the 3rd level on Curie! Fell on its side/shooter. Hope everything's ok.

[bam-bam]

And so the giants fall.

610-1477-1241 defeats 118-4039-1114 outright. Climbs did not make a difference, since all climbed for 10 and 1114 was not able to reach level 3, so much as to be even able to get off the ground.

[xraymypanda]

Wow, 610 alliance and 1114 alliance were separated by 1 disc point and that match was won by foul points.

[Negative 9]

And so the giants fall.

610-1477-1241 defeats 118-4039-1114 outright. Climbs did not make a difference, since all climbed for 10 and 1114 was not able to reach level 3, so much as to be even able to get off the ground.
The match was decided by a technical foul with a final score of 219-235 in favor of the blue alliance.

[bam-bam]

The match was decided by a technical foul with a final score of 219-235 in favor of the blue alliance.

My bad... I assumed too much.

[orangemoore]

What was the technical foul?

[Aiyash]

What the hell just happened on Curie?

[MikeE]

What the hell just happened on Curie?

Looks like a red card but I missed the feed

[TheMadCADer]

The match was decided by a technical foul with a final score of 219-235 in favor of the blue alliance.

Their first match was also decided by foul points (plus the 30 climb points awarded along with those fouls), but in the other alliance's favor. The 2nd match was pretty much clean, if I recall.

[EricH]

Looks like a red card but I missed the feed

Red card, not sure what for as I missed that part of it.

[Robby Unruh]

Looks like a red card but I missed the feed

862 bumped the pyramid and 1918 fell off as a result. The red alliance got a red card for it.

[Abhishek R]

Their first match was also decided by foul points (plus the 30 climb points awarded along with those fouls), but in the other alliance's favor. The 2nd match was pretty much clean, if I recall.

Yeah, both sides had their share of foul points. It's happened a bit on the other fields as well. It's just horrible timing for 1114's climb to fail. Very unlucky, although the opposing alliance had a set of very brilliant cyclers. I guess the discs are turning out to be more reliable than climbs, as we saw 67 only reach the 2nd level once, 254 almost fall hanging by just one hook, 1114 fall a couple of times, 148 drop almost completely off the rung, to name a few.

[xraymypanda]

Down goes 987's alliance as well, beat by cyclers and full court shooting.

[bam-bam]

469-33-1519 are your Archimedes champions. Congratulations.

[Steven Donow]

Curie this year=crazy in so many ways.

[Dr Theta]

Yeah, both sides had their share of foul points. It's happened a bit on the other fields as well. It's just horrible timing for 1114's climb to fail. Very unlucky, although the opposing alliance had a set of very brilliant cyclers. I guess the discs are turning out to be more reliable than climbs, as we saw 67 only reach the 2nd level once, 254 almost fall hanging by just one hook, 1114 fall a couple of times, 148 drop almost completely off the rung, to name a few.

To be fair 148 has the scariest 20pt climb I've seen even without falling.

[bam-bam]

1678-148-862 are your Curie champions. Wow. Congratulations.

[Robby Unruh]

1678 pulling out that win was totally unexpected. Congrats guys. Did anyone else notice the huge drop in max score in Curie once 2056 was eliminated?

[ehfeinberg]

610, 1241, and 1477 top 3284, 2169, and 2175. Now that's a great way to beat a full court shooter, just outscore them!

[dodar]

Story of Championships has to be 1477. Top tier robot all year, but kept getting eliminated just barely in each regional. After signing up on a Saturday night after their 3rd regional to attend their 4th they win that regional. They then make it to champs and win their division and make it to Einstein!

[PVCpirate]

How in the world did 610's alliance win match 2? They were down about 30 on discs and the teams had similar climb points.

[Steven Donow]

How in the world did 610's alliance win match 2? They were down about 30 on discs and the teams had similar climb points.

They probably weren't really down by about 30 on discs, live scoring was probably messed up.

[Coach Tom]

The live feed went dead before the awards were announced. Please post:

Winning Alliance

Inspire and other awards.

Thanks.

[MrTechCenter]

It's snowing paper airplanes once again!

[ehfeinberg]

How in the world did 610's alliance win match 2? They were down about 30 on discs and the teams had similar climb points.

74 points to 24 point auto score. Red had 91 teleop points while blue had 117.

[Gregor]

How in the world did 610's alliance win match 2? They were down about 30 on discs and the teams had similar climb points.

Obvious answer, the load cells were off.

[dellagd]

Do they always put out the lights like this in Galileo?

[Suitster]

If there's no visual on Einstein's feed, how are we to keep up with the paper airplane division high scores?

[PVCpirate]

Just checked the twitter feed, as several of you have said, red's score was just showing much too low for the entire match.

[Ian Curtis]

Story of Championships has to be 1477. Top tier robot all year, but kept getting eliminated just barely in each regional. After signing up on a Saturday night after their 3rd regional to attend their 4th they win that regional. They then make it to champs and win their division and make it to Einstein!

I am sure FIRST would be ecstatic if more teams had Cinderella stories like this. :D

[dodar]

I am sure FIRST would be ecstatic if more teams had Cinderella stories like this. :D

FIRST would but the teams wouldnt; I bet every mentor on 1477 had a few heart attacks this year. lol

[Lil' Lavery]

I am sure FIRST would be ecstatic if more teams had Cinderella stories like this. :D

I'm sure they'd be ecstatic if more teams paid them five events worth of registration fees... :rolleyes:

[Ian Curtis]

I'm sure they'd be ecstatic if more teams paid them five events worth of registration fees... :rolleyes:

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg

Don't give away the punchline! :eek:

[dodar]

I'm sure they'd be ecstatic if more teams paid them five events worth of registration fees... :rolleyes:

Or do a Buy 4 Get 1 Free kind of thing. :p

[Abhishek R]

I want to see the airplanes, but the stream's covering it up...

[dellagd]

I want to see the airplanes, but the stream's covering it up...

What is this whole thing about airplanes?

Also, does anyone know when the first match will start?

[Coach Tom]

The live feed went dead before the awards were announced. Please post:

Winning Alliance

Inspire and other awards.

Thanks.

Anyone have results for FTC?:)

[Steven Donow]

What is this whole thing about airplanes?

Also, does anyone know when the first match will start?

It should start soon, but basically, while waiting for Einstein to begin, you have over 1000s of the smartest, nerdiest HS kids in America sitting around in a football stadium (with plenty of leftover fliers/scouting sheets) and nothing to do but make their own fun. You do the math :P

I, for one, enjoyed the multitude of waves last year, ranging from extremely fast, to extremely slow.

[dodar]

What is this whole thing about airplanes?

Also, does anyone know when the first match will start?

It has almost become a tradition to see some really good paper airplanes made and thrown out over Einstein before matches start. Last year, I believe one of them made it halfway across the arena.

[dellagd]

Ah! The stream Changed! :ahh:

[Ian Curtis]

It has almost become a tradition to see some really good paper airplanes made and thrown out over Einstein before matches start. Last year, I believe one of them made it halfway across the arena.

I remember it from my first World Championship in 2003, so I'm pretty sure it is a tradition. :)

[Steven Donow]

The live feed went dead before the awards were announced. Please post:

Winning Alliance

Inspire and other awards.

Thanks.

Anyone have results for FTC?:)

Inspire was won by Team Beta, I believe the number was 3550.

[bam-bam]

1538, The Holy Cows, are your 2013 Chairman's winner. Congratulations!

[Joe G.]

1538 takes the Chairman's award. Well deserved.

[Luigi]

Congrats to Team 1538, the Holy Cows, on the 2013 Chairman's Award!

[PVCpirate]

"You can do ANYTHING in 6 weeks." - Dave Lavery everyone!

[bam-bam]

Scores showed about 50-point deficit between Arch and Curie- I call defect score counters.

EDIT: Yep. 201-233. Score showed 24 for Arch after autonomous. No way they missed that much.

At least it's not robots breaking down.

[Joe G.]

33's intake seemed not to be working in auto, meaning they didn't hit anything from the second half of their 7 disk. Still, does seem off.

[PVCpirate]

I just assumed it would be higher, it looked too even for that big of a margin.

[MikeE]

Scores showed about 50-point deficit between Arch and Curie- I call defect score counters.

EDIT: Yep. 201-233. Score showed 24 for Arch after autonomous. No way they missed that much.

At least it's not robots breaking down.

@frcfms twitter feed shows 36-60 in autonomous. Off by 2 disc is is just outside theoretical load cell tolerance.

[bam-bam]

1477 is dead and 303 could not get themselves off of them for a while. Free now.

[Lil' Lavery]

Could real time scoring be any less useful?

[ehfeinberg]

Could real time scoring be any less useful?

Lets play the game find the largest difference between real time scoring and the actual score...

[ehfeinberg]

Congrats 1902 Exploding Bacon to winning the Imagery award!

Oink Oink...

[bam-bam]

1678 is dead.

[Gregor]

Payback karma?

What do you mean?

[bam-bam]

What do you mean?

My mistake- thought they were playing against Galileo for a moment. Thinking in situation 1477 died.

[bam-bam]

Lol:

Innovation in Control Award
Team 1717
Da Penguineers

[Blackphantom91]

I think 1477 got hit hard and fliped there switch. Not sure about citrus looked like they got hit into the feeder then died. Im currious if its com related or not. FIRST seems on top of it.

[bam-bam]

I think 1477 got hit hard and fliped there switch. Not sure about citrus looked like they got hit into the feeder then died. Im currious if its com related or not. FIRST seems on top of it.

1477 was dead for sure.

It looks like 1678 was dead for a brief moment, moved, then died near the feeder station.

[ehfeinberg]

Haha, "These award scripts can get a little cheesy, but this team never is, Team 254 The Cheesy Poofs."

Congrats for winning the industrial design award!

[bam-bam]

303 is dead.

List of dead robots:
1477 (Manual)
1678 (???)
303 (Battery disconnection)

[CalTran]

Any insight on why they haven't played the cca winning video? The Holy Cows deserve it.

[Steven Donow]

303 is dead.

List of dead robots:
1477
1678
303

1477, however, definitely was not a comm issue. They have crazy LEDs that were off, so their robot was off, probably from a hit. Same for 1678, they got hit, then were off. Then they moved a bit, but then couldn't move.

[ehfeinberg]

Wow! Newton moves on to the Finals! 254 - 225

[Lil' Lavery]

254 points with a dead robot the whole match?

[bam-bam]

1477, however, definitely was not a comm issue. They have crazy LEDs that were off, so their robot was off, probably from a hit. Same for 1678, they got hit, then were off. Then they moved a bit, but then couldn't move.

I figured as much for 1477.

I have no idea about 1678.

303 was determined to be disconnected from the field.



And wow. 303 dead didn't even make a dent.

[EricH]

303 was determined to be disconnected from the field.


Lost their battery cable was what was announced.

[MikeE]

254 points with a dead robot the whole match?

303 did score in autonomous but seemed to lose power as it started to move.

[bam-bam]

Is this the first time this year a two-robot (with a dead robot) alliance won?

[Marc S.]

303's battery was disconnected? If it happened before the match wouldn't they have noticed? 303 never moved, I don't see how it could have disconnected. I wonder what they have to say about this?

[Steven Donow]

303's battery was disconnected? If it happened before the match wouldn't they have noticed? 303 never moved, I don't see how it could have disconnected. I wonder what they have to say about this?

Apparently they shot in autonomous. Their auto consists of shooting+a piston on the ground that angles their whole robot upwards, so I assume during that motion it became disconnected.

[dellagd]

254 points with a dead robot the whole match?


Is this the first time this year a two-robot (with a dead robot) alliance won?

254 points for Newton, lets do the math:

There were 164 Teleop points curtsey of the twitter feed from only two robots.

164/3 = approx. 55 discs (meaning something was scored not in the 3 point goal, but lets just say they all were because that gives the best case scenario to Newton)

Now divide that by 4 to get the amount of trips.
55/4 = approx. 14

Saying that there were only two robots operational to put that up that much, that means that each had to average 7 trips (28 discs) in two minutes AND make every shot. Also, remember sabotage needed at least the last 30 seconds to climb. Even though one of the robots on Newton has a pickup, they would have had to put up a LOT of discs, and this just doesn't add up to me.

Does anyone else think this is fishy or is it just me? But if it isn't, major props to Newton, that was amazing.

EDIT: They re-scored it and Galileo won. Math prevails. Actual score is Red: 200 Blue: 225

[bam-bam]

Curie curse lives on.

[Cody Burd]

Curie Curse Continues

[dodar]

I think a name change is in order. Change Curie to Tesla and see if that helps the curse.

[Anupam Goli]

254 points for Newton, lets do the math:

There were 164 Teleop points curtsey of the twitter feed from only two robots.

164/3 = approx. 55 discs (meaning something was scored not in the 3 point goal, but lest just say they all were because that gives the best case scenario to Newton)

Now divide that by 4 to get the amount of trips.
55/4 = approx. 14

Saying that there were only two robots operational to put that up that much, that means that each had to average 7 trips (28 discs) in two minutes AND make every shot. Also, remember sabotage needed at least the last 30 seconds to climb. Even though one of the robots on Newton has a pickup, they would have had to put up a LOT of discs, and this just doesn't add up to me.

Does anyone else think this is fishy or is it just me?

I don't think getting 14 cycles off with 2 robots is possible, especially with a team that has to take 30+ seconds to climb. that would mean 3476 did 8 or 9 cycles alone, and the max that anyone has ever done is 7, which was with 610 and little to no defense. I think there must be some miscount in scores or something.

[Astrokid248]

I think a name change is in order. Change Curie to Tesla and see if that helps the curse.

Yes, let's get rid of the only division represented by a woman. /sarcasm

[z_beeblebrox]

I don't think getting 14 cycles off with 2 robots is possible, especially with a team that has to take 30+ seconds to climb. that would mean 3476 did 8 or 9 cycles alone, and the max that anyone has ever done is 7, which was with 610 and little to no defense. I think there must be some miscount in scores or something.

Was there a FCS?

[Clayton Yocom]

A mis-score? Did they not count right?

[Michael Hill]

Wait...what?

[MikeE]

Exciting times...

[dellagd]

Rescored: Galileo won

[EricH]

Wait...what?

Something's funny--you saw the 2-robot scoring if 254 points were scored. That means that SOMETHING wasn't counted right.

[dcarr]

Something's funny--you saw the 2-robot scoring if 254 points were scored. That means that SOMETHING wasn't counted right.

Doesn't inspire confidence in scoring.

[dellagd]

Doesn't inspire confidence in scoring.

Yeah, thats a pretty big blunder.

[EricH]

Doesn't inspire confidence in scoring.

Nope. OTOH, this isn't the first time this season--Portland, wasn't it, that found a red disc in a goal after a match that didn't get counted, and that changed the winner entirely.

And it's the second year in a row there's been an issue on Einstein. This time, guaranteed field personnel fault, not a robot problem. (Though there have been a couple of robot issues, I'm pretty sure they haven't been related to comms this time around.)

[MikeE]

Nope. OTOH, this isn't the first time this season--Portland, wasn't it, that found a red disc in a goal after a match that didn't get counted, and that changed the winner entirely.


That was at the Central Washington Regional (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-doing-the-right-thing).

[bam-bam]

Perfect 7-disc autonomous plus 2 3-discs by 1477-610-1241.

Last known score was 165-205 in favor of Galileo.

Was it just me, or did 3476 have trouble scoring those last disks in the 3-point goal because the goal was overflowing?

[rmhooks573]

that auton was perfection on the blue alliance.

[sodizzle]

My live thought: The Bedford Express 1023 fit the 5th reason you might be addicted to first a little too well...

[bam-bam]

1477-610-1241 advances over Newton.

Great gracious professionalism by 3476-303-1640.

[Steven Sigley]

Thats gotta be tough to swallow.
Good job to the entire alliance.

[Brandon Zalinsky]

Oh my.

[Steven Donow]

What amazes me about this Championships, is that there have been SO MANY third matches.

[Clayton Yocom]

I feel like the side screens probably aren't supposed to look like that

[rmhooks573]

my live thought: the dancing that goes on at FRC events is one of a kind

[Foster]

Wow, that was an amazing turn of events.

[bam-bam]

610 WAS dead. Briefly.

Costed them the match. They were keeping pace with 33-469-1519, but lost it when 610 died.

[mott]

Yep...right after getting loaded on about their 4th cycle.

[bam-bam]

The Galileo alliance absolutely dominated that match.

20-point spread after autonomous makes one heck of a difference in this game.

We are onto a rubber match.

Who called the timeout?

[Alex Cormier]

Of all Einstein, were any discs scored in the 2 point goals?

[Steven Donow]

While we wait for this timeout, here's a list of all the awards:

Chairman's Award: 1538
Engineering INpsiration: 3478
Imagery: 1902
Innovation and Control Award: 1717
Industrial Design Award: 254
Safety Award: 2638
Team Spirit Award: 233
Excellence in Engineering Award: 1986
Quality Award: 33
Gracious Professionalism Award: 3138
KCP&B Entrepeneurship Award: 2614
Creativity Award: 3018

Missing are divisional awards(Highest rookie seed, Rookie All-star, Rookie Inspiration, and Judges Award)

[MrRiedemanJACC]

Going to three....

[Gregor]

Of all Einstein, were any discs scored in the 2 point goals?

I remember the game announcer mentioning one in from a human player. Does that count?

[MagiChau]

Auto made the difference in that last match. 24 point advantage for Galileo in auto.

[dm224a]

I am watching the live stream from Missouri S&T and had to step out of the room for a bit and missed the official "You know you've OD'd on first when..." slides from Einstein, does anybody have these that they would be willing to post?

[dm224a]

The Galileo alliance absolutely dominated that match.

20-point spread after autonomous makes one heck of a difference in this game.

We are onto a rubber match.

Who called the timeout?

Archimedes called the timeout i believe

[Astrokid248]

I am watching the live stream from Missouri S&T and had to step out of the room for a bit and missed the official "You know you've OD'd on first when..." slides from Einstein, does anybody have these that they would be willing to post?

Mercury 1089 on twitter is posting them. https://twitter.com/frc1089/status/328301232689139713

[bam-bam]

Galileo pulled ahead after lagging behind by 4 points in autonomous. Astounding.

[dtengineering]

Blue... blue... blue...!

[dm224a]

Mercury 1089 on twitter is posting them. https://twitter.com/frc1089/status/328301232689139713

Thanks

[z_beeblebrox]

The end. Blue.

[Vince lau]

Yay blue

[Steven Donow]

The year of the upset.

[Anupam Goli]

The year of the upset.

The year of the rubber match.

[Arrowhead]

Good job to 1477, 1241, and 610

[Akash Rastogi]

The year of the upset.

I would NOT call that an upset. These winners were no underdogs.

[Steven Donow]

I would NOT call that an upset. These winners were no underdogs.

Technically, though, they were. Also I wasn't specifically talking about them winning, moreso championships as a whole

[bam-bam]

And the torch has passed on to 1241 and 610 for Canada, and 1477 for Texas.

Amazing, amazing plays all around.

[qzrrbz]

Well, last year there was a general thought that "hth could 16 slip so far in the draft?"

This year? In spades!

HTH!!! Could 610 slip so far into the draft?!?!? Incredible steal of a pick!

[MagiChau]

Hey does anyone remember what match Andy Baker MC'd on Galileo and if it was with 610 1477 and 1241 in it. If so he picked to MC the match with a world champ twice in a row :P

[CalTran]

quick question - anyone know if finale is being extended?

[MikeE]

Awesome set of matches on Einstein, and a great advert for the program.
Congrats to 610, 1241 & 1477

Of all Einstein, were any discs scored in the 2 point goals?
I'm a bit late replying but the FMS twitter feed shows that 6 of the 20 teleop scores were not multiples of 3.

(One of those is the erroneous score from SF2-2, but assuming the 54pt mistake was in teleop, the corrected score would still not be a multiple of 3)

[safiq10]

will the finale be live streamed

[Macky]

That was fantastic!

I'm a rookie, and this was my first time watching the championships live. 610, 1477, and 1241 were so amazing. I had no idea alliances could work together so seamlessly. Also, the number of people at the event was stunning.

Special congrats to all the foreign teams for coming this far, especially 2630: The Thunderbolts! I met them at the D.C. Regional when I accidentally stumbled into their pit, and they were, by far, the most enthusiastic team there. I'm so proud of them for making it into the quarterfinals. (Also, I'm stoked for Team 422: The Mech Tech Dragons! Their 'burning ambition' really paid off, getting off the wait-list and then coming in 20th for the Galileo Division? AWESOME! Blaze it, Dragons!)

[Peyton Yeung]

Hey does anyone remember what match Andy Baker MC'd on Galileo and if it was with 610 1477 and 1241 in it. If so he picked to MC the match with a world champ twice in a row :P

IIRC Andy Baker MC a semifinal match 1.1 in which 1114 and 118 won not 1477

[faust1706]

I dont think anyone predicted what happened on einstein from happening. I dont think anyone predicted the right alliances that were on einstein. What a year. Lots of upsets, but it's not how well your bot does, it is what you gained from it all.

[Undertones]

Congratulations 610 + 1241 + 1477. I can't believe Galileo let that alliance form, they were beastly. I am blown away by the drivers skills on these teams. Especially 610, who were really really good right at the beginning of the season. There were many robots mechanically similar to these bots and I think that the drivers really made the difference for this world champion alliance.

Also, it made me really happy that the world champions are Canadian, even though, unfortunately, neither 1114 and 2056 made it to Einstein.

[PayneTrain]

Not-live thoughts:

FIRST: Teams, please instruct your non-mentor parents to follow rules as well.

Telling me "go to hell" for my students sitting in a seat that, by rules stated in the 2013 Administrative Manual Section 14.2 cannot be saved. It contributed to a poor performance on the field when I had to tell them to just brush it off and get in queue for the first match on Saturday. There was very limited seating for Galileo and my team did the hard work of waking up at 6 AM to make it to the dome by 7. If you want to save seats, have a team that is well-disciplined enough to show up before the doors open. Sorry if I sound like a jerk, but it left a sour taste in my mouth and negatively affected my kids. I know we all want to see a team we support do well, but things like that can damage team reputation. I actively try to manage the discipline of the students at competition to prevent negative behavior and I know some things slip through the cracks, but please take time to read the rules, remember who you represent, and remember why we're all here.

Teams that let 610 fall to middle second pick made a strategic error dwarfing letting 16 slip down in 2012. Them making second pick was also surprising, seeing as they weren't showing the level of consistency I personally like in 2nd picks. What a steal.

I am not surprised by Einstein that much. I don't want to say it was a classic "brains vs. brawn" matchup since everyone built strong robots to execute a smart strategy, but Archimedes' offensive powerhouses were shut down by woefully under-appreciated strategists on Galileo that capitalized on all the shots FCS bots kept missing. In my unofficial crusade against the full-court shooter this season, I was also not that shocked to see Galileo winning the whole thing without a dedicated FCS. A jack of all trades robot is not a wise decision, but building dedicated FCS robots really box in strategic flexibility of your alliance and allow the opponents to predict movements, accuracy, and point counts. Give away too many secrets and the other guys come out without much surprise.

Speaking of surprise, 1477 got hot at the right time. They honestly were fumbling about most of competition, allowing 422 to win earlier, but while 422's robot managed to have its performance to bounce from mediocre (36 points) to good (50) to terrible (6?!) to great (70), T-squared just got better and better.

We tried to remain calm while Andy Baker inspected the robot and then fanboy-d out in private after he gave the electrical lead on the team a shirt. He was supposed to trade with you, Andy, but if he didn't deliver there could be a trade set up for IRI (plz let us in).

Dean's List ceremony was great, but my legs were mad that they had to stand for so long. Could we get chairs next time? Dean, Will.I.Am, and the other speakers were so absolutely fantastic and candid at the event I forgot why we were there. I was really shocked by how absolutely fantastic will.i.am was when he spoke at Dean's List. If you weren't sold on him after that, I don't know what else you need. It's not a sell-out involving him. It's a very clear catalyst in the effort to slowly sneak FIRST into pop-culture, and the guy just plain gets it.

I was also surprised that it seems there is a shift in the way HQ perceives FRC. I felt like HQ was going to endlessly keep their major league competitive division languishing in "science fair" mode forever, but it is very clear that the current urgent mission for Dean and the powers-that-be that FIRST in 10 years will dwarf what it is right now. They want to make the competition more competitive, they want more "normal people" to not just understand it, but become passionate fans of it like any other sport, and they can feel the program teetering on the edge of breaking into something far bigger than what it is right now. After I invited people to an event the last two years and saw how quickly they went from begrudgingly interested to overly enthusiastic because of how great the game was to watch, it became clear to me how much bigger it's about to be.

[Lil' Lavery]

Hey does anyone remember what match Andy Baker MC'd on Galileo and if it was with 610 1477 and 1241 in it. If so he picked to MC the match with a world champ twice in a row :P

It did not. The match he MC'd was Galileo's #1 alliance (118, 1114, 4039) against the #8 alliance (245, 27, 1732).

[NXTGeek]

Perfect 7-disc autonomous plus 2 3-discs by 1477-610-1241.

Last known score was 165-205 in favor of Galileo.

Was it just me, or did 3476 have trouble scoring those last disks in the 3-point goal because the goal was overflowing?

I was thinking on those lines as well. Actually, the biggest contributor to our below-average accuracy on Einstein relates to the shiny unused disks- we had to readjust backwards about two feet from when we were using the used disks. But again, they all could have gone in and we would have won the match. Or 303 could have happened to pick different battery. Or in other words,... Einstein.

[dcarr]

Dean, Will.I.Am, and the other speakers were so absolutely fantastic and candid at the event I forgot why we were there. I was really shocked by how absolutely fantastic will.i.am was when he spoke at Dean's List. If you weren't sold on him after that, I don't know what else you need. It's not a sell-out involving him. It's a very clear catalyst in the effort to slowly sneak FIRST into pop-culture, and the guy just plain gets it.

At first I was suspicious, but I do believe he's earnestly trying. Listen to his song Geekin' on the #willpower album, it's possible to think that at least some of the themes are inspired by his participation and evangelism of FIRST.

[Teamcodeorange]

Doesn't inspire confidence in scoring.

Yeah, no kidding.

[Joe Matt]

Hey Joe!

Thanks for your yearly post of bitterness.


(But I do agree somewhat...)

I try, I try. ::ouch::