2013 Dream Matchup

[Jay O'Donnell]

I haven't seen one of these threads yet for 2013, so I guess I'll start it. What is your dream matchup of six robots for Ultimate Ascent?

Mine: 67, 2056, 3476 vs 469, 610, 1114

[Gregor]

254-1310-67 vs 1986-469-1114

Both alliances have 2 7 disk autos, both also have centreline autos (that'll be fun), both have two 30 point climbers, and both have a 20 point dump.

[Kevin Leonard]

254-148-987 v. 469-67-1986

Both alliances have the ability to go double full court, both have 9-disc autos (but 987 gets the center discs, giving them a 12 point advantage), both have an inside and outside climb, but 148's is only for 20, so the 67 alliance gets a 10-point advantage.

I don't know who would win this. This would be freakin' amazing.

[joelg236]

1114-2056-1334 vs. 33-1986-67
or
254-1986-1114 vs. 33-469-1538

[Woolly]

Greater Toronto Vs. Greater Kansas City
2056-1114-610 vs. 1986-1806-3528
Alliance OPRs based on Champs: 205-188

Most likely both alliance drain their feeder station, and then it comes down to teams either stealing missed shots of their opponents, or climbing/denying climbs.

Which greater is greater?

[JosephC]

FIM vs. Canada
33, 67, 469 vs 1114, 1310, 2056 (or swap 1310 for 610).

[Jash_J]

Personally I would love to see 1986-987-1114 vs 254-2056-67.

Both alliances have:

- 7 disk autons
- Full court shooters
- Multiple robots that can climb to 30
- A robot that can dump for 20

and of course all of them are extremely good cyclers.

[MooreteP]

254-148-987 v. 469-67-1986

Both alliances have the ability to go double full court, both have 9-disc autos (but 987 gets the center discs, giving them a 12 point advantage), both have an inside and outside climb, but 148's is only for 20, so the 67 alliance gets a 10-point advantage.

I don't know who would win this. This would be freakin' amazing.

As much as I enjoyed 148's breathtaking climb, it removes the real estate in the volume inside the pyramid, rendering 254's climb improbable.
Although both of them scaling the pyramid together would be worth the price of admission. Will this happen at IRI?

The center of gravity of these alliances appears to be somewhere near the Great Lakes. :)

[Kevin Leonard]

As much as I enjoyed 148's breathtaking climb, it removes the real estate in the volume inside the pyramid, rendering 254's climb improbable.
Although both of them scaling the pyramid together would be worth the price of admission. Will this happen at IRI?

The center of gravity of these alliances appears to be somewhere near the Great Lakes. :)

I think they'd arrange it so it would work. 148 climbs first, then 254.

And the COG I think would be more Southwest- due to 148-TX, 254-CA, 987- Vegas. Somewhere around Nebraska or Kansas.

[who716]

3467, 254, 2056 vs. 1114, 67,195

[Kevin Leonard]

3467, 254, 2056 vs. 1114, 67,195

As much as I love NE represented on both alliances, you have two inside climbers on one side and two full courts on the other.

That WOULD be a cool match to watch, but one side would end up with no floor pickup, and the other side with a wasted 30 pt. climb.

We could see that in Quals at IRI, but not likely in elims.

[BrendanB]

3467, 254, 2056 vs. 1114, 67,195

Now this, would be an epic matchup!

3467, 67, 2056 vs 254, 1114, 469


Each alliance has: two 30 point climbers (and all sub 15 secs), one 4 disc dump, one full court shooter, one extremely fast ground pickup + floor sweeper, and one 7 disc autonomous (one alliance also gets a centerline auto).

[Tetraman]

Six robots no one has ever heard of playing the finals on Einstein field.

That's my dream matchup.

[Boe]

Six robots no one has ever heard of playing the finals on Einstein field.

That's my dream matchup.

+1

[Walter Deitzler]

Six robots no one has ever heard of playing the finals on Einstein field.

That's my dream matchup.

I VOLUNTEER AS A TRIBUTE!

[Matthew Lang]

Thanks to everyone who put 610 in their choices but we aren't that exciting :p. My dream match-up would be 254, 469, and 1114 vs. 67, 987, and 2056.

Aside: Writing this post and being forced to choose between my favorite robots made me realize how many AWESOME teams are out there!

[ehfeinberg]

My dream match up would be 67, 254, and 469 vs 1114, 1986, and 33. Both alliances have a 7 disc auto + center line auto, 1 30 point corner climber + 20 point dump, 1 30 point inside climber, sweeping the floor, and lots and lots of cycling.

The only thing I might change would be swapping 33 out for another robot with a wicked floor pickup and center line auto which could shoot full court. If these two alliances went against each other I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a disc left on the field.

[Gregor]

The only thing I might change would be swapping 33 out for another robot with a wicked floor pickup and center line auto which could shoot full court. If these two alliances went against each other I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a disc left on the field.

I believe you're looking for 987.

[JB987]

My dream match up would be 67, 254, and 469 vs 1114, 1986, and 33. Both alliances have a 7 disc auto + center line auto, 1 30 point corner climber + 20 point dump, 1 30 point inside climber, sweeping the floor, and lots and lots of cycling.

The only thing I might change would be swapping 33 out for another robot with a wicked floor pickup and center line auto which could shoot full court. If these two alliances went against each other I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a disc left on the field.

Pretty sure I have seen one of those around;)

[themccannman]

Anything with 987 and 2056, highest OPR in the world against the highest rank robot in the world. Also a bunch of 30 point climbers for added entertainment value.

[joelg236]

Anything with 987 and 2056, highest OPR in the world against the highest rank robot in the world. Also a bunch of 30 point climbers for added entertainment value.

987-254-1986 vs 2056-1114-67

[Mark Sheridan]

A subtle variation of previous mentioned team, mine would be 987-254-67 versus 469-1986-1114.

Both alliances are capable of 90 points in autonomous. Both can have up to70 point in climbing and a 20 point dump. Both have a FCS though I would pick 67 over 469 in that category. Regardless, both alliances could cycle pretty quick with alliance 2 having the edge in that category. I could see both alliances breaking 300 points.

[Nick Lawrence]

Six rookies. On Einstein.

-Nick

[alex.lew]

118-254-233 vs 1114-2056-1310
NASA alliance against Canada.

[themccannman]

987-254-1986 vs 2056-1114-67

I would switch 1114 and 1986 since two internal climbs probably wouldn't work together and both alliances would then have the 50 point climb and dump. 2056, 1114, and 67 together have the potential for the highest possible score in Ultimate Ascent whereas 987, 254, and 1986 don't due to the double internal climb and no dumpers.

[ehfeinberg]

I would switch 1114 and 1986 since two internal climbs probably wouldn't work together and both alliances would then have the 50 point climb and dump. 2056, 1114, and 67 together have the potential for the highest possible score in Ultimate Ascent whereas 987, 254, and 1986 don't due to the double internal climb and no dumpers.

But then it would no longer be NASA vs. Canada.

Wouldn't it be great to see NASA vs IFI?
118, 233, 254 vs 148, 1114, 217?

[fr05ty27355]

254, 1114, 67

-13 disks in auto (78 points)
-Most likely score all (if not most) feeder station disks (135 points)
-90 climbing points
-30 points from pyramid goal dumps

Total match score: about 315-333

[Gregor]

2056, 1114, and 67 together have the potential for the highest possible score in Ultimate Ascent whereas 987, 254, and 1986 don't due to the double internal climb and no dumpers.

Trade 2056 for 254, who has a 7 disk and 30 point climb.

If 254 and 1986 could climb together somehow, trade 1114 or 67 for 1986. 1986 has a wing auto, which scores 12 points. The second dumper only scores 10 points.

But then it would no longer be NASA vs. Canada.

Wouldn't it be great to see NASA vs IFI?
118, 233, 254 vs 148, 1114, 217?

Trade 217 for 1477, much better matchup.

[ehfeinberg]

Trade 217 for 1477, much better matchup.

Sure, thats why I had a question mark for 217. I didn't know any other teams sponsored by IFI.

[Rynocorn]

I think the best match up would have both alliances have A) pure full court shooter with some climbing B) great cycler/pickup with 30 climb C) a pickup bot that can also shoot full court

This would lead to the matchup of

Blue: A) 1806 B) 1114 C) 469 Vs. Red: A) 148 B) 254 C) 987

In autonomous, blue will score 13 discs and red will score 13 or 15 discs depending on whether 1806 or 1114 can stop red from getting the center discs.

This way, on the blue alliance, 1806 will shoot all of the discs besides 12 white and 4 blue for 1114. 469 will pickup all the missed discs in front of the opponents goal and score them before picking up the missed discs from 1806. Then they all will climb.

On the red alliance, 148 will shoot all of the discs from their feeder station with the help of 987. Meanwhile, 254 will pick up all the discs from their opponents side and score them into the goal and then score the missed discs from 148. After shooting some full court, 987 will pickup from the floor all that it can and climb. 148 will climb first and be stopped before 254 climbs with just a few seconds left, that way they can both fit.

This is what think the best matchup would be and I would really like to see this at IRI and I feel that with some luck they could almost happen with both full court shooters being selected 3rd.

[themccannman]

But then it would no longer be NASA vs. Canada.

Wouldn't it be great to see NASA vs IFI?
118, 233, 254 vs 148, 1114, 217?

118, 233, 254 vs 2056, 1114, 1310

The ultimate NASA vs Canada showdown.

[Jilani]

The Ultimate Team imo is:
1114, 2056, 67

but the sickest matchup would be:
Canada vs USA
1114, 2056, 1310 vs. 67, 469, 118

[themccannman]

The Ultimate Team imo is:
1114, 2056, 67

but the sickest matchup would be:
Canada vs USA
1114, 2056, 1310 vs. 67, 469, 118

1114, 2056, and 1310 would probably be the best offensive Canadian alliance, however 4814 plays killer defense and might actually make for a more practical alliance partner. There's also too many good U.S. teams that are very similar, it's hard to say who would make the best/most exciting alliance, honestly 148 had the single most entertaining robot all season, truly a crowd pleaser:yikes:

[Walter Deitzler]

1114, 2056, and 1310 would probably be the best offensive Canadian alliance, however 4814 plays killer defense and might actually make for a more practical alliance partner. There's also too many good U.S. teams that are very similar, it's hard to say who would make the best/most exciting alliance, honestly 148 had the single most entertaining robot all season, truly a crowd pleaser:yikes:

But, If I were to choose an American robot for defense, I might go with 2789 TEXplosion, especially after they added a shooter for auton.

[Boe]

But, If I were to choose an American robot for defense, I might go with 2789 TEXplosion, especially after they added a shooter for auton.

but 869s defense is so cool :P

[Walter Deitzler]

but 869s defense is so cool :P

^^ I cannot argue with that

[Mr.Smoky15]

I'm interested how the St. Louis Regional would have played out with 1986 there

[Zebra_Fact_Man]

FIM vs. Canada
33, 67, 469 vs 1114, 1310, 2056 (or swap 1310 for 610).

This.

[Woolly]

I think the best match up would have both alliances have A) pure full court shooter with some climbing B) great cycler/pickup with 30 climb C) a pickup bot that can also shoot full court

This would lead to the matchup of

Blue: A) 1806 B) 1114 C) 469 Vs. Red: A) 148 B) 254 C) 987

In autonomous, blue will score 13 discs and red will score 13 or 15 discs depending on whether 1806 or 1114 can stop red from getting the center discs.

This way, on the blue alliance, 1806 will shoot all of the discs besides 12 white and 4 blue for 1114. 469 will pickup all the missed discs in front of the opponents goal and score them before picking up the missed discs from 1806. Then they all will climb.

On the red alliance, 148 will shoot all of the discs from their feeder station with the help of 987. Meanwhile, 254 will pick up all the discs from their opponents side and score them into the goal and then score the missed discs from 148. After shooting some full court, 987 will pickup from the floor all that it can and climb. 148 will climb first and be stopped before 254 climbs with just a few seconds left, that way they can both fit.

This is what think the best matchup would be and I would really like to see this at IRI and I feel that with some luck they could almost happen with both full court shooters being selected 3rd.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but we're unable to attend IRI. I wish we could be there but it's just not feasible.

[Walter Deitzler]

I'm interested how the St. Louis Regional would have played out with 1986 there

It would have probably been similar to last year, but I assume 1986 would have seeded first and picked 1706 as their partner.

[cmrnpizzo14]

Ok, no one has said it yet so I guess I might as well.... Bring back the Eh-Team!!!!!!

1114-2056-4334

50 pt. climb & dump, efficient cycler, 7 disc auton, ground pickup, FCS, what more could you want in an alliance? (Besides defense, but that seems to be irrelevant in this thread).

An alliance of this power would certainly be putting up some big points. To compete against this we would need some big competition. Where could we find big competition? Texas of course! Everything is bigger in Texas ;)

118-148-1477

Potential for a 9 disc auton here, FCS, 40 pt. climb and dump, the 2 ground pickups could put up serious points on a field with 2 FCS's emptying the feeder stations.

Let's get a FIRST Olympics in the offseason, each country can nominate a dream alliance to play and they square off. US v.s. Canada v.s. Rest of World. It's on!

[Kevin Leonard]

Ok, no one has said it yet so I guess I might as well.... Bring back the Eh-Team!!!!!!

1114-2056-4334

50 pt. climb & dump, efficient cycler, 7 disc auton, ground pickup, FCS, what more could you want in an alliance? (Besides defense, but that seems to be irrelevant in this thread).

An alliance of this power would certainly be putting up some big points. To compete against this we would need some big competition. Where could we find big competition? Texas of course! Everything is bigger in Texas ;)

118-148-1477

Potential for a 9 disc auton here, FCS, 40 pt. climb and dump, the 2 ground pickups could put up serious points on a field with 2 FCS's emptying the feeder stations.

Let's get a FIRST Olympics in the offseason, each country can nominate a dream alliance to play and they square off. US v.s. Canada v.s. Rest of World. It's on!

You, sir, have great ideas. You should become an engineer! :)

[cmrnpizzo14]

You should become an engineer! :)

Wait, are you a psychic? How did you know?? :confused:

[Gregor]

118-148-1477

Potential for a 9 disc auton here, FCS, 40 pt. climb and dump, the 2 ground pickups could put up serious points on a field with 2 FCS's emptying the feeder stations.

Neither 1477 nor 118 have shown FCS in a real match.

[cmrnpizzo14]

Neither 1477 nor 118 have shown FCS in a real match.

I meant 148 and 4334. I should have distinguished that I meant FCS's on separate alliances not together.

[Jash_J]

Let's get a FIRST Olympics in the offseason, each country can nominate a dream alliance to play and they square off. US v.s. Canada v.s. Rest of World. It's on!

That my friend would be oh so sweet. Maybe we can divide the US into US West, US East, US North and US South, just because they have so many awesome teams!

[Chris is me]

1114 469 1310 v 254 987 610

Two thirty point climbers. Four full court shooters. Two ground pickups per alliance. 15 disc autonomous on both sides potentially. 50 pyramid points each.

Would 1114's red disc advantage (effectively 8 net points) make the difference?

[mini_moose_27]

Neither 1477 nor 118 have shown FCS in a real match.

1477 actually showed it on Galileo in a qualification match.

[Mark Sheridan]

Nor Cal versus So Cal

Nor Cal 254-971-1678 versus So Cal 1538-3476-2485

Bonus: Central California: 1717-973-1662

A round robin would be "hella" awesome.

[Michael Corsetto]

Nor Cal versus So Cal

Nor Cal 254-971-1678 versus So Cal 1538-3476-2485

Bonus: Central California: 1717-973-1662

A round robin would be "hella" awesome.

This would be incredible. A California State Championship can't come soon enough.

I think SoCal would have the edge with 2485's awesome FCS, plus two effective ground pick ups. All three alliances have 15 disc auto potential. None of the Nor Cal bots directly human load, which could affect cycle times for the entire alliance.

Hella awesome indeed.

-Mike

[themccannman]

Nor Cal versus So Cal

Nor Cal 254-971-1678 versus So Cal 1538-3476-2485

Bonus: Central California: 1717-973-1662

A round robin would be "hella" awesome.

This just makes me want CA to switch to districts even more.
That norcal alliance has a bit of a disadvantage due to all the robots being exclusively ground pick up, that central CA alliance would be a hella good team though, all of those robots wold work really well together.

[Mrcope9]

I don't know about dream match, but here's my dream Einstein:

Texas vs. Canada, Michigan vs. California

1477-148-118 vs. 1114-610-1241 , 33-217-67 vs. 3476-207-254

The winners would probably be Texas and Michigan, which would provide an awesome final.

Shout out to 1477. U guys beat us first round @ Bayou. Proud of y'all!!

[nikeairmancurry]

I don't know about dream match, but here's my dream Einstein:

Texas vs. Canada, Michigan vs. California

1477-148-118 vs. 1114-610-1241 , 33-217-67 vs. 3476-207-254

The winners would probably be Texas and Michigan, which would provide an awesome final.

Shout out to 1477. U guys beat us first round @ Bayou. Proud of y'all!!

I'd switch 217 for 469... And 610 for 2056...

[Lij2015]

6 robots that can't do anything but one point dump, that'd be entertaining as heck.
Or 6 30 point climbers.

[Gregor]

And 610 for 2056...

And 1241 for 1310.

[MichaelBick]

I don't know about dream match, but here's my dream Einstein:

Texas vs. Canada, Michigan vs. California

1477-148-118 vs. 1114-610-1241 , 33-217-67 vs. 3476-207-254

The winners would probably be Texas and Michigan, which would provide an awesome final.

Shout out to 1477. U guys beat us first round @ Bayou. Proud of y'all!!

973 is probably the best cycler is California. I think 3476-973-254 would be a better alliance.

[themccannman]

973 is probably the best cycler is California. I think 3476-973-254 would be a better alliance.

I don't think you can really say that unless you've seen 1662, IMO the best robot that didn't make champs. 1717 is also up there with 973.

[MichaelBick]

I don't think you can really say that unless you've seen 1662, IMO the best robot that didn't make champs. 1717 is also up there with 973.

Honestly both were very good. I heard 973 got 9 cycles in one match and had a pretty good 7 streak. 973 completely outshone 1717 at LA, and in pure cycling ability was better even with their taller robot without swerve.

[Kevin Leonard]

Honestly both were very good. I heard 973 got 9 cycles in one match and had a pretty good 7 streak. 973 completely outshone 1717 at LA, and in pure cycling ability was better even with their taller robot without swerve.

973 was fantastic, and a few bad matches at championships meant they were somehow still available to pick 2nd round! Fantastic and FAST robot.
If we weren't against that powerful #3 alliance (Appreciate Cheesy MORT), then who knows how well we could have done.

I'd love to see them and 868 go head-to-head in teleop undefended- just cycling. See who scores more.

[AdamHeard]

973 was fantastic, and a few bad matches at championships meant they were somehow still available to pick 2nd round! Fantastic and FAST robot.
If we weren't against that powerful #3 alliance (Appreciate Cheesy MORT), then who knows how well we could have done.

I'd love to see them and 868 go head-to-head in teleop undefended- just cycling. See who scores more.

The kids are making some new robots for the offseason that are sub 30".

I'm very excited to see what our driver can do with it, as our robot this year was awful to drive, and being tall limited his lane options.

[themccannman]

The kids are making some new robots for the offseason that are sub 30".

I'm very excited to see what our driver can do with it, as our robot this year was awful to drive, and being tall limited his lane options.

You have no idea how excited I am to this new bot, you guys better be going to cal games:D

[AdamHeard]

You have no idea how excited I am to this new bot, you guys better be going to cal games:D

Don't get too excited, they'll likely be plywood simpletons like the two we fielded last year.

It's very unlikely we'll be at Calgames, more likely the Sacramento event, San Diego and Madera.

[themccannman]

Don't get too excited, they'll likely be plywood simpletons like the two we fielded last year.

It's very unlikely we'll be at Calgames, more likely the Sacramento event, San Diego and Madera.

Hopefully we'll see you guys at powerhouse pwnage and madtown throwdown.