View Full Version : Should we plan a gift to FIRST or Dean?

Ken Leung
06-07-2001, 04:35 AM
After reading that huge thread posted by Kate of 190 about asking why people are doing FIRST, it made me thinking...

Will it be possible if we plan a gift for FIRST next year, where we put together a lot of little stories like those responds that talk about how FIRST affected out lives and how we are thankful for that. Show FIRST how much they've done to us, what kind of effect it have on everyone who participate in FIRST...

Another crazy idea I just came up with a second ago... how about we have each person who are willing to contribute in this, have each of them machine a part, and at national we get together and put together the parts to become a big functional machine that will look extremely cool? It will be something like the team where the members are students from different states working over the Internet and finally put together the robot at competition... Or that machine on the 2001 small parts catalog…

I know these two suggestions are weird, but please don't be afraid to make fun of me because they are completely ridiculous ideas.

But then again, I am sure it's already ridiculous enough that no one will really reply to this message anyway... :(

But still... I am hoping we can put together a gift to FIRST and/or Dean...

Robby O
06-07-2001, 06:21 AM
About making a rather large statue of the FIRST logo character on the button I made for Autodesk this year. Its up in the CD MISC Gallery. But the machine Idea sounds really cool. How about a clock with an afro and button storing capabilities that balances on 2 wheels??? :D I'm sure both Dean and Woody would get a kick outta that one.

Also, no one has come up with any FIRST-specific buddy Icons yet (and yes, I've seen Grivooga's Gear and Erins Robot Luvin Icon, but bah, lemme have my fun! B^P)? Well, something original that is... Hmm... I've got a few ideas. Time to get some digital wheels a rollin...

Matt Leese
06-07-2001, 01:35 PM
I have a feeling that if we all machine parts (don't even look at me for that....my idea of machining is a drill press) they won't fit together. Or was the idea to design something as a group? I'm thinking there won't be time to do any of this. I can see it now: I can't work on the robot today because I'm making random parts for Dean. My team would love me for that. ;)

Matt who is a poor college student and thinks Dean is rich enough to buy himself gifts ;)

Jessica Boucher
06-07-2001, 01:49 PM
.....::waves to Tammy & all the unregistered watchers from FIRST::

Ken Leung
06-07-2001, 02:41 PM
Hey Matt, way to shoot down that idea. I couldn't say it better myself... ;)

But Seriously, I think we can still do something before or after the 6-week period. And it won't require too much work from each person. Are you familiar with those McDonald toys where you can buy each individual toy, and then you can put them together and suddenly they are connected into something way more interesting...

I like Robby's idea about a clock. Maybe we can make a clock better than the clock of the Chairman's award? ;)

About Jess's comment... I think if we keep shooting my ideas down in here, it will seems to them that we aren't doing anything later... Well, they will never know, will they?

Matt Leese
06-07-2001, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Ken Leung

But Seriously, I think we can still do something before or after the 6-week period. And it won't require too much work from each person. Are you familiar with those McDonald toys where you can buy each individual toy, and then you can put them together and suddenly they are connected into something way more interesting...

Are you suggesting we get Dean McDonald's toys? I think that MIGHT fit my budget..... ;)


Andrew Rudolph
06-07-2001, 04:39 PM
Why dont we make the worlds largest pin? For the graphics we take the graphics/pictures fromf all the teams and make a photo mosiac that is the first logo.


mike o'leary
06-07-2001, 08:22 PM
hmmm not a bad idea...

working of what andrew said, what we could also use pictures of every bot ever made by first teams in the thing

06-07-2001, 08:38 PM
What about a Denim Tuxedo... I dunno about anyone else but it was kind of unnerving for me to see the picture of him accepting the medal of technology without his usual garb.
Deano could have a whole plethora of Denim Clothing... it could be the new style... just think "now YOU can dress like the famous inventor of IT"

~John #250 (who is already regretting mentioning IT in a post)

mike o'leary
06-07-2001, 08:54 PM
good thinking: id been trying to work denim into my idea but failed miserably

Mimi Brown
06-08-2001, 07:51 AM
heh heh heh! The denim tux would be awesome!!!!
That idea has my vote!;)

06-10-2001, 08:58 AM
Some of the ideas are really good. I don't know what you guys mean by making a "button" but what if we were to make a giant collage with all the robots from 2001. If we gave each team the requirements for the size, shape, etc. we would be able to just put it all together at nationals. I'd love to get involved in helping with this. We all love dean and woody, and we should let them know :)

06-10-2001, 10:18 AM
If we're gonna do the collage, why use the old robots. We can all bring pictures of our brand-spanking new 2002 robots. Someone could just have a huge board or something set up somewhere and all the teams could come attach their contribution.


A. Leese
06-10-2001, 10:21 AM
I like the idea of the robot photo mosiac, but I also give points to Matt for pointing out the McDonald's toy idea. I'm sure that's SO helpful to all of you knowing who I do and don't agree with. Sorry I didn't have any ideas to offer up myself.

~Angela who just can't think before noon

Ken Leung
06-12-2001, 06:07 AM
I certainly love the idea about putting together the pictures of next year's robot together...

And about Robby's idea of making the FIRST logo, maybe we can use team's logo to do that, that is if we are having the robot photo mosaic too...

I doubt if we should really just buy McDonald toys and give them to Dean/Woodie. I really think it should be something we actually make, just like the robots (I am sure they won't like teams using a robot that's bought from a toy store...). ;)

Right now, I think gathering pictures from different team is a great way to go. Not only can we help FIRST gather all the picture of the robots so they can show the photo on the screen when the awards are given (Xerox creativity award, etc), but it is actually something that can be done.

Do people remember the board Buzz had at National where they college peopleˇ¦s signature and use that as a gift? Maybe we can do something like that... Only Three different things:

A robot photo mosaic for Dean.

A FIRST logo made up of team logos OR robot photos for FIRST

Maybe something big made up of the buttons from each teams (one per each team) for Woodie. Maybe a wall of buttons that will match with Woodie's vest of buttons? How about a giant button with all the buttons on it? This way, when he stand in front of the ˇ§thingˇ¨ no one can really tell if he is in there? ;)

I really think this is something we can actually do, although it will take some coordination and some actual effortˇK But I am willing to do it, how about you? Itˇ¦s only JuneˇK

Matt Leese
06-12-2001, 06:42 AM
I have a feeling if we gave Dean McDonald's toys his response would be "What's McDonalds?" Sometimes he just needs to get out more. ;)


08-12-2001, 06:02 PM
hey!! Why did we stop talking about this?? I think that we should decide on something to do... I know that my school starts in a little less then a month, but a lot of other schools start REALLY soon, so it would be helpful to decide before school starts and everyone gets busy. I really like the idea of everyone making robot parts, and putting them together at nats. Did anyone think of having the robot/machine/gift be from regions?? Like have Long Island assigned to one part, New England assigned to another, etc. If anyone else is interested write back here or cdpm me.

this could be AMAZING!!!!

08-12-2001, 06:26 PM
Schools here in grand ole Stuart, FL, start TOMORROW (Monday) :( So... if you really wanna put these ideas together, and pick something to do you might want to decide it soon. You still have a few weeks, but it'd be good to know if this is really going to happen.

Kristen who really isn't excited about having school tomorrow morning.

08-12-2001, 08:54 PM
Has anyone had experience making a mosaic? Maybe it's just me and how I am, but those buggers are tough for me. You'd have to get the main colors just right for things to work. Meaning you might want more than one pic from team. You'd only use one, but more than one pic would give more of a choice for whoever puts everything together making it look like an actual FIRST logo or whatever is decided

Laurel Noel

08-12-2001, 09:03 PM
you know what would be cool, if we made a giant puzzle, each team got a precut puzzle piece then put a pic of their robot on it to put into the puzzle, if we had people photograph their robots with certain colors behing it it would be cool because then we could spell words or create the FIRST logo with the puzzle pieces!

08-12-2001, 09:23 PM
what we really need, no matter what we're going to do, is someone to be in charge ( i CAN'T do it!! ). We're not going to be able to get anything done without someone/some people being in charge.

08-12-2001, 09:26 PM
Why not get a handful of people from seperate regions and they can select one person to get in touch with the national group who totally decide what to do. Then it splits down to regions, and ultimately one person on each team be responsible for their "piece" of the puzzle/mosaic/machine whatever is decided. I'd start taking people now who are interested in doing this. Could be fun.

Laurel Noel

08-12-2001, 10:53 PM
In response to Lng, there's a computer program out there that will digitally arrange all the pictures to make one giant mosaic of another picture. dunno what it's called or where you can get it, but it's out there....

08-13-2001, 06:01 PM
here's a list of the regional events. I guess I could be the rep. for the Long Island Regional, I need a rep. from each of the other regionals to help me though. And then, we need to ALL decide something to do. Can someone start a poll? ( i don't know how...)


Kennedy Space Center Southeast- FL
UTC New England- CT
Long Island- NY
NASA Langley- VA
West Michigan- MI
Mid Atlantic- NJ
Lone Star- TX
New York City- NY
Southern California- CA
Great Lakes- MI
Midwest- IL
Philadelphia- PA
Silicon Valley- CA

If anyone wants to volunteer, post a reply!!

08-13-2001, 08:33 PM
I'll take the Great Lakes unless someone out there is absolutely dying to have it. But I think we still need to decide on what exactly is going to be done.:confused:

Laurel Noel

Kyle Fenton
08-13-2001, 08:42 PM
I really like the idea of a mosaic first. But I thinking the first logo would be made up of all the team logos and at the end it would look like from the distance the first logo but when close up it would be every single logo of the first teams. Cool huh? And I kind of like Stacey's idea where of giving something to Dean even though he might not be at a regional. Next year I hear that there might be like 15-17 regionals. So why don't we slice it up in like 18 pieces and give a piece to Dean at every regional, and the final piece would be given to him at Nationals. I remember someone did something like this, but not of FIRST, and the mosaic came out to be a 2 gig PhotoShop file, I heard.

08-14-2001, 10:05 AM
2 gigabytes? How big was the thing?

Kyle Fenton
08-14-2001, 07:50 PM
Remember a PhotoShop file or .psd file is an uncompressed image with Million + colors, that supports layers, transpancys, and other PhotoShop features. And when you have a high resolution logo with over 500 teams and this mosaic is mostly likely going to be very big. The guy I know who did this printed out on a plotter the size as a mural. So the image of this would be measure in feet instead of inches.

Carolyn Duncan
08-14-2001, 09:28 PM
If we take pics from every one's robot we can arrange them to make another pic when you back up and look at the whole thing. I think I read someone suggesting that but I don't know if that's just because I was thinking it. I don't mind being the contact for the Kennedy Space Center Regional in Florida but I would like someone else's help too. My other idea for a gift was a sculpture. Everyone puts a part on and either make it abstract (thid would be much easier) or actually make into a shape. It's not as hard as you might think, the pieces don't have to fit together like on a robot they just have to get stuck together. That would mean it would be a good idea for a welder to work with the design team.

08-15-2001, 01:07 PM
Well it seems like a lot of people have awesome ideas for a gift for Dean. In Ken's first post about this, he mentioned writing stories about how FIRST has affected our lives and how we are thankful for it. This year on my team, all of the students wrote personal stories to each adult mentor, and we made them into individual books so each adult had a book made just for them with personal stories about how they influenced our FIRST experience. Then at our end-of-the-season banquet we gave them out. It was very time consuming, but definitely worth it in the end and I think the adults really appreciated the effort.

I'm not saying we should do this for Dean...but I think that would be a way to really show him the impact of how FIRST has really changed our lives. But that would be also difficult to organize.

In response to someone who wrote about a possible wall of buttons....When I went to FIRST place in NH last year, there was some kind of display of buttons that I remember, but maybe someone else can clarify it.

You also have to remember, getting pictures of robots from 2002 or even getting buttons for 2002 to make some kind of display might be difficult to obtain because many buttons aren't made until after shipping and many robots aren't completely put together until the actual day of shipping, which doesn't leave much time for something to be done between the shipping date and nationals, even if they are spread out more.

And no matter what we do, if anything, I think we need to do something where all teams have the chance to be included. So whether that is doing something w/ the Logos which most teams already have and can send in or whatever even before Kickoff, or maybe some sort of book w/ stories that can also be done before Kickoff; I think it should be started before January because as you all know, between kickoff and nationals is usually a crazy time of year for everyone and most people won't have time to think about a present for Dean while trying to get a robot built.

Jeff Waegelin
08-15-2001, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by whsrt_lilguppy
"There is no I in team."

But you can't spell team without "me"

Carolyn Duncan
08-15-2001, 10:54 PM
The more I think about this the more I think that when we finally decide on what to do it should include or invole some of the major sponsors of FIRST, like Disney. For instance make a statue of Mickey Mouse out of parts ( just an example not an idea).
And Jeff, at least me has 2 letters.

08-15-2001, 11:05 PM
I have to disagree with you there Carolyn. I personally think if we are going to think of some kind of gift for Dean, it should be something that shows him how much FIRST has changed our lives and influenced us in a positive way. Disney has sponsered the Nationals, but hasn't really affected me in the way that FIRST itself has. It should be personalized to some degree, but I think a statue of Mickey Mouse would be kind of inappropriate. Just my thoughts..

Carolyn Duncan
08-15-2001, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Carolyn Duncan
For instance make a statue of Mickey Mouse out of parts ( just an example not an idea).
I agree with you, like I said the Mickey thing was an example not a suggestion. But I think it would be a good gesture to incorperate something about our sponsors into the gift. See what I mean?

08-15-2001, 11:34 PM
I think it might be a nice gesture to incorporate our sponsers into our gift..but which sponsers? team ones...general FIRST ones? My point was to make it personalized for Dean or even the FIRST community in general. Because most of the time, the corporate sponsers, like Disney, have little or nothing to do w/ the mentoring and teaching and engineering aspect that FIRST is trying to get across to the students.

In my team's case, Nypro does almost everything for our team, and is a big factor in sponsering as well as mentoring our team. But I think the sponsers you are talking about probably aren't involved on the student level. We still need their $ and participation in whatever way they want to give it..but I think any type of gift should be for Dean or actual FIRST people who would probably appreciate it more and realize the affect of their hard work more than a company just giving money and having no personal affiliation with actual teams. Therefore, it may be hard to incorporate them into the gift, depending on what the gift would be.

Carolyn Duncan
08-15-2001, 11:40 PM
I think the best way to incorporate sponsors is to have team sponsors represented by the team through their contribution to the overall piece and the FIRST sponsors through the larger scale item. Does that make sense? I'm not saying that's the way it should be I just thought it might be nice if it could be done along with having things that showed how FIRST affected our lives. Make the gift multi dimentional.

Kyle Fenton
08-16-2001, 05:34 PM
Keep Dean's gift simple, but yet interesting. Yeah you can buy him a statue, but he will be like, "Oh, thats nice" I mean if a lot of people are going to spend time or money, make it worth it. I mean, all of your ideas are very good ideas. But if we are going to do this, we have to find an idea that will really make Dean appreciate FIRST and all the work he put into it. That is really why I like the Mosaic idea, it is simple but he will really but wowed when it all comes together and it spells first, or maybe it would be a picture of him and Woody. But hey that is just me.

Carolyn Duncan
08-16-2001, 05:43 PM
So maybe we make a mosaic out of ceramic tiles. Have different pieces that are made at each of the regionals and one made at nationals. Then we can put them all together. Maybe they can be like a story board.

08-16-2001, 10:27 PM
here's an idea: how about the rep. at each regional take for example a piece of oak tag, and have everyone who wants to participate put their signiture on it, and that's it. Then, all the reps. can get together, or whoever wants to do this, and make another piece of oak tag kinda like a cover to a book. Next we can staple them all together or make a binding, again like a book, and give it to dean. On the cover it could say something about how many people's lives he's effected in a positive way, and how we can fill up a whole book with just our names. Also, if we want to get creative, we could make the pages fancier, or through some inspirational stories in there, and a bunch of other fun stuff like that.

Does anyone like that idea??

08-16-2001, 10:48 PM
Ok, I love the book idea... but lot of problems I think of with it. I remember at nationals all the Visteon teams tried to do a similar thing but only with Visteon. And our team just didn't have the time to do it in the short notice that was given. What we finished wasn't that great, but it was enough. If you go with just the signatures of each team signing the book. Wow, that would take a while. I know how long it took me just going around and getting a picture of each of the robots at the regionals I went to. The problems I'm noticing with any idea, and shoot me down cause that's what i'm here for, but time issues. The time to complete whatever is chosen to do, and the time to collect each item. Also, if we choose to go with pieces to make a sculpture/statue thing, think about how would you transport those pieces? I'm honestly not sure what the best thing is, but whatever chosen has to be positive that it can be completed in the few days everyone is in florida. And if there is a problem and they decide this year to make it only those who qualify go to nationals, what if the rep who has whatever it is that would be put together *gasp* doesn't qualify. I hate sounding really negative (but i'm told it's what i do best) but how is everything going to be foolproof? And when will a final decision of what we do be made?

Laurel Noel

08-17-2001, 12:21 AM

If the mosaic software worked out real well and instead of making a new image file out of all the smaller images, rather it gave out the order in which you assemble your photos, it could be real feasible to do. (Just have everyone upload a picture of their robot/team/logo named as just their team number, and then drop them off for the assembly people (at nats or to a rep)(have em write their team number on the back, and file 'em in order too :p ) then the assemblers could go off the layout the program put out and staple/glue/secure them to a big white sheet on a frame or something or now i'm just rambling :)

*toddles off*:D

Jeff Waegelin
08-17-2001, 03:42 PM
Yes, and having teams send pictures would be preferable to photographing each robot while at nationals. We tried to take pictures of all the bots for SOAP, but it didn't work too well.

Clark Gilbert
08-17-2001, 06:00 PM
The program u put up is a cool program although it may be kinda hard to see the little pics unless u use a plotter printer and make it really big (which u would do anyway...hopefully)....i'm also attaching a sample mosaic of the earth made up of a bunch of technokat pictures from the 2000-2001 season.....plus anyone can get full use of the program if they know what to do....(i'm not saying cuz i dont want this post deleted :D )


EDIT: The example is kinda crappy qualitly but it gives u an idea.....my brother has a really big mosaic and its an alien head made up of pics from NASA, and its really cool

Robby O
08-17-2001, 06:25 PM
Just thought I would toss up that I have access to a high-quality plotter/printer at my school that goes up to 3 feet wide by however long. At $2 bucks a square foot, that would make the mosaic thing rather affordable for everyone.

One more I thought I would toss in for kicks was a combination of the mosaic, a sculpture, and denim. What we would do is create a frame out of chicken wire in the shape of the triangle, circle, and square. Each team could have thier logo either embroidered or pressed into a square peice of denim. Then everyone can sew thier pieces onto the logo-sculpture. By figuring out the amount of surface area on each piece, we can figure out how big each logo can be.

That or maybe a gift certificate to the aero-toy store. It's a place down here in south florida that has big plane toys for big boys. AKA: Dean. Maybe they could outfit a plane with an all denim interior???

Kyle Fenton
08-17-2001, 11:05 PM
Just thought I would toss up that I have access to a high-quality plotter/printer at my school that goes up to 3 feet wide by however long. At $2 bucks a square foot, that would make the mosaic thing rather affordable for everyone.

That ain't a plotter thats a printer. My printer (Epson Stylus 1520) can print that wide. Well not really but really close. Usually a plotter prints out images usually 5 to 10 feet wide.

For the mosiac idea, a better idea would just to be two layers in photoshop. Here is a sample of what I mean. I did it fast and it very crude, but you get the point.

08-18-2001, 01:33 PM
i thinck we should try give a gift to both of them