2014 Curie Division

[XaulZan11]

According to the Curie Curse, below are the 99 teams who were just eliminated from winning the championship:

11 MORT
28 Pierson Whalers
68 Truck Town Thunder
74 Team C.H.A.O.S.
75 RoboRaiders
118 Robonauts
125 NUTRONS
135 The Black Knights
177 Bobcat Robotics
180 S.P.A.M.
191 X-CATS
222 Tigertrons
230 Gaelhawks
236 Techno-Ticks
254 The Cheesy Poofs
294 Beach Cities Robotics
359 Hawaiian Kids
418 Purple Haze
447 Team Roboto
469 Las Guerrillas
540 TALON 540 Godwin Robotics
573 Mech Warriors
624 CRyptonite
772 Sabre Bytes
842 Falcon Robotics
865 Warp7
987 HIGHROLLERS
1241 THEORY6
1287 Aluminum Assault
1311 Kell Robotics
1323 MadTown Robotics
1501 Team THRUST
1595 Dragons
1629 Garrett Coalition (GaCo)
1676 The Pascack PI-oneers
1714 MORE Robotics
1718 The Fighting Pi
1723 The FBI - FIRST Bots of Independence
1732 Hilltoppers
1884 Griffins
1902 Exploding Bacon
1937 Elysium
2013 Cybergnomes
2016 Mighty Monkey Wrenches
2073 EagleForce
2080 Torbotics
2169 KING TeC
2227 Tigers
2403 Plasma Robotics
2443 Blue Thunder
2451 PWNAGE
2468 Team Appreciate
2478 Westwood Robotics
2543 TitanBOT
2619 The Charge
2648 Infinite Loop
2848 The All Sparks
2928 Viking Robotics
3015 Ranger Robotics
3042 Cobalt Catalysts
3161 Tronic Titans
3230 PrototypeX
3301 Patriots
3386 Tornades
3476 Code Orange
3478 LamBot
3562 LiveWire
3660 Lightsabers
3692 Rock N' Robots
3794 WinT
3812 Bits & Bots
3843 M.C.R.T. ROBO RACERS
3932 The Dirty Mechanics
3990 Tech for Kids
4055 N R G (Northwestern Robotic Gearheads)
4125 Confidential
4159 CardinalBotics
4161 T-Birds
4171 BayBots
4334 Alberta Tech Alliance (ATA)
4362 Gems
4486 Blue Prints
4522 Team SCREAM
4819 Flat Mountain Mechanics
4901 Garnet Squadron
4915 Spartronics
4935 T-Rex
4969 Iron FeNix
4977 Iron Lion
5002 Dragons
5024 Raider Robotics
5036 Robo Blue Devils
5076 Stormbots
5093 Tech - Sets
5125 Hawks on the Horizon
5172 Gators
5179 Les Sénateurs
5191 LANCERobotics
5297 BOLTZAP
5326 Optimus PRIN

[Jay O'Donnell]

All three New England Champions on one field! Should be exciting!

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

Just looking at the list this division looks super stacked! Should be very exciting!

[JTEarley]

This list could end the curie curse

[falconmaster]

We will take the curse on! Curses are meant to be broken!

[Hallry]

:yikes:

*Waves white flag*

[falconmaster]

Where is this list from Edward Snowden? Is this official. How is it out?

[AGPapa]

Where is this list from Edward Snowden? Is this official. How is it out?

https://my.usfirst.org/frc/scoring/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&ID_event=10747

[Mason987]

Where is this list from Edward Snowden? Is this official. How is it out?

FIRST just posted them. The servers are just getting slammed right now and may or may not load for you. It is legit, I can assure you.

[George1902]

SPAM, Cheesy Poofs, and Exploding Bacon!?

Most. Delicious. Division. Ever.

[magnets]

Wow. This is insane. We have so many epic teams here. These elimination rounds are going to be absolutely insane. I don't even know where to start to predict the top 8.

[Peter Matteson]

If this is real then this is the first time that 177 has ever been in Curie.

[Andrew Schreiber]

NUTRONS and NUTRONS Beta on Curie... that seems fitting.

Heh.

[Koko Ed]

I'll be there!

[James1902]

If this is real then this is the first time that 177 has ever been in Curie.

Same goes for Bacon.

[JohnFogarty]

Regardless of division name, these are the teams I wanted to play with at CMP. I am a happy person.

[Andrew Lawrence]

Dare I say there's actually a chance? #BreaktheCurse

[pwnageNick]

If this is real then this is the first time that 177 has ever been in Curie.

Same goes for Bacon.

Also the same for PWNAGE. Actually PWNAGE has only been in Archimedes up until now.

[CaptainDanger]

let's break the curse people, that's a pretty solid list of teams we've got to work with :)

[bscharles]

Looks like a good representation of Wisconsin in Curie this year. Interestingly, the 3 lowest number WI teams are here, the next 3 lowest are in Archimedes, and the highest is in Galileo.

[Mason987]

let's break the curse people, that's a pretty solid list of teams we've got to work with :)

To increase our chances of breaking the curse, I say we sneak a second alliance onto Einstein.

[Kpchem]

To increase our chances of breaking the curse, I say we sneak a second alliance onto Einstein.

I wouldn't be surprised if the finalist alliance on Curie is as competitive as the winners from any of the other divisions. They'd never even know!

[joelg236]

Holy. Good luck everyone.

[Dewmark]

WOW! What an awesome division! I am more than happy to play with such amazing teams... Let's break the Curse! :D

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1982259_686089741451430_1488900492_n.jpg

[MagiChau]

NUTRONS and NUTRONS Beta on Curie... that seems fitting.

Heh.

:rolleyes: I guess this field is going to be nuclear.

[Craig Roys]

Fighting Pi are up for breaking the curse...our first time on Curie.

[c_hartman_00]

447 is up for breaking the curse on our first trip to Curie.

[waialua359]

I swear every year we are in THE toughest division.
2014 is no different.
Who's going to argue that?? :ahh:

[Nathan Rossi]

Holy... This will be an exciting division!

[waialua359]

Its really nice to see that the 2 wildcard opportunities we provided in Dallas and Hawaii are both in our division.
2848 and 2443. :D

[scooty199]

Wooooo.... incredibly tough division.

This is also relevant with regards to the Curie 'curse'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM

[JB987]

As a side note...anyone have a link to an arena map showing the division field layout (assuming same as previous years if no updated map is available)?

[twetherbee]

Dibbs on the Bobcats!!! Einstein here we come. :)

[stingray27]

Breakdown of Curie by max OPR:

1718 149.6534282
4334 130.5219324
4522 128.4132752
118 127.5786203
254 126.3855613
469 122.2971975
359 119.6398486
842 117.7539836
180 112.6118771
987 103.5290187
2013 103.1272528
2451 102.9772256
1241 100.4992717
624 96.70499035
68 96.39598528
3990 95.32260822
3476 92.72050698
125 92.19971111
447 90.21110349
4362 88.30877669
230 87.2432806
1629 86.71250246
1732 81.08185993
3015 80.77948875
5172 79.3085051
4055 77.19199483
3812 76.86707151
11 74.00227778
573 73.49312169
2468 70.45599343
135 69.61461073
1714 69.47737246
1595 68.77949128
294 68.4737868
2016 67.46102189
2443 65.69496572
74 63.79542595
4915 63.06055061
2928 60.63802752
222 60.07959912
1501 59.32259226
3386 58.20712643
3794 57.26223858
75 55.68403241
2619 55.67833418
3478 54.44724863
236 54.42654856
2848 52.57122757
1311 49.49204432
3230 48.3534277
1723 48.00121797
3660 47.24726392
5191 47.10454749
3161 46.77064865
4125 46.25475217
177 45.62517549
772 45.54852151
1676 45.4897546
2478 44.05627417
3562 43.46940008
4819 43.06773781
5125 40.5003691
418 40.35126026
5024 39.93120792
4486 39.58108973
2648 39.51050043
5002 38.77315903
5179 38.7054938
1323 38.18442402
3301 37.64661517
3932 37.52529219
3042 37.42067846
4161 36.49177881
2543 35.50500925
4159 34.33880921
1902 33.16025911
28 30.55943114
191 28.66458356
5093 28.51149758
1937 27.62375858
4901 26.76778436
540 25.60670568
3692 25.60468895
865 23.815865
2403 22.87801735
4935 20.50547604
4969 18.1837128
2080 17.87561042
3843 13.84073428
2169 11.93889924
2227 11.57749809
1287 11.29137909
4977 10.8312226
5076 8.208114715
5297 7.285401073
5036 6.176184518
5326 5.014106165
1884 -4.880542236

More details to follow in a white paper

[Akash Rastogi]

NUTRONS and NUTRONS Beta on Curie... that seems fitting.

Heh.

If only the other NUTRONS were in Curie too! :p

[waialua359]

FIRST really went out of their way to try to break the curse this year.:)

[falconmaster]

FIRST really went out of their way to try to break the curse this year.:)

That was what I was thinking!

[joelg236]

Some basic stats based on Ed Law's sheet.

[Ayush Kapur]

The curse is over!!:yikes:
Hope to make it to elims ;)

[falconmaster]

http://i.imgur.com/AwjwGnQ.jpg

[JohnFogarty]

Acknowledging a curse only makes it seem real.

[isaac.walz]

If nothing else I'm excited to get to work with some of the amazing teams in this division. This is my second trip to champs as driver and this year is already looking a lot better than last. Hope to see all of you soon -2080

[sergioCorral842]

Breakdown of Curie by max OPR:

1718 149.6534282
4334 130.5219324
4522 128.4132752
118 127.5786203
254 126.3855613
469 122.2971975
359 119.6398486
842 117.7539836
180 112.6118771
987 103.5290187
2013 103.1272528
2451 102.9772256
1241 100.4992717
624 96.70499035
68 96.39598528
3990 95.32260822
3476 92.72050698
125 92.19971111
447 90.21110349
4362 88.30877669
230 87.2432806
1629 86.71250246
1732 81.08185993
3015 80.77948875
5172 79.3085051
4055 77.19199483
3812 76.86707151
11 74.00227778
573 73.49312169
2468 70.45599343
135 69.61461073
1714 69.47737246
1595 68.77949128
294 68.4737868
2016 67.46102189
2443 65.69496572
74 63.79542595
4915 63.06055061
2928 60.63802752
222 60.07959912
1501 59.32259226
3386 58.20712643
3794 57.26223858
75 55.68403241
2619 55.67833418
3478 54.44724863
236 54.42654856
2848 52.57122757
1311 49.49204432
3230 48.3534277
1723 48.00121797
3660 47.24726392
5191 47.10454749
3161 46.77064865
4125 46.25475217
177 45.62517549
772 45.54852151
1676 45.4897546
2478 44.05627417
3562 43.46940008
4819 43.06773781
5125 40.5003691
418 40.35126026
5024 39.93120792
4486 39.58108973
2648 39.51050043
5002 38.77315903
5179 38.7054938
1323 38.18442402
3301 37.64661517
3932 37.52529219
3042 37.42067846
4161 36.49177881
2543 35.50500925
4159 34.33880921
1902 33.16025911
28 30.55943114
191 28.66458356
5093 28.51149758
1937 27.62375858
4901 26.76778436
540 25.60670568
3692 25.60468895
865 23.815865
2403 22.87801735
4935 20.50547604
4969 18.1837128
2080 17.87561042
3843 13.84073428
2169 11.93889924
2227 11.57749809
1287 11.29137909
4977 10.8312226
5076 8.208114715
5297 7.285401073
5036 6.176184518
5326 5.014106165
1884 -4.880542236

More details to follow in a white paper

1323 had an OPR of 78.47 (Their best) at Silicon Valley. The one shown on your list is from Central Valley.

[Justin Lawrence]

I see so much potential in this division. There are so many great teams that we can work with. So glad that were in this division. See everyone soon !!!!
-2080 Torbotics

[MrTechCenter]

Oh man, we just got assigned to Curie :ahh:

[brandon.cottrell]

Us other Divisions are going to have to step it up to keep the Curie Curse going.

[billbo911]

Oh man, we just got assigned to Curie :ahh:

Now that 2073 has been added as the 100th team, is there a chance we can get the Pre-Scouting db and the OPR listing updated?

[Jscout11]

Excited to be playing in Curie for the first time since 2004

[sergioCorral842]

Now that 2073 has been added as the 100th team, is there a chance we can get the Pre-Scouting db and the OPR listing updated?

1718 149.6534282
4334 130.5219324
4522 128.4132752
118 127.5786203
254 126.3855613
469 122.2971975
359 119.6398486
842 117.7539836
180 112.6118771
987 103.5290187
2013 103.1272528
2451 102.9772256
1241 100.4992717
624 96.70499035
68 96.39598528
3990 95.32260822
3476 92.72050698
125 92.19971111
447 90.21110349
4362 88.30877669
230 87.2432806
1629 86.71250246
1732 81.08185993
3015 80.77948875
5172 79.3085051
1323 78.47
4055 77.19199483
3812 76.86707151
11 74.00227778
573 73.49312169
2468 70.45599343
135 69.61461073
1714 69.47737246
1595 68.77949128
294 68.4737868
2016 67.46102189
2443 65.69496572
74 63.79542595
4915 63.06055061
2928 60.63802752
222 60.07959912
1501 59.32259226
3386 58.20712643
3794 57.26223858
75 55.68403241
2619 55.67833418
3478 54.44724863
236 54.42654856
2848 52.57122757
1311 49.49204432
2073 48.71
3230 48.3534277
1723 48.00121797
3660 47.24726392
5191 47.10454749
3161 46.77064865
4125 46.25475217
177 45.62517549
772 45.54852151
1676 45.4897546
2478 44.05627417
3562 43.46940008
4819 43.06773781
5125 40.5003691
418 40.35126026
5024 39.93120792
4486 39.58108973
2648 39.51050043
5002 38.77315903
5179 38.7054938
3301 37.64661517
3932 37.52529219
3042 37.42067846
4161 36.49177881
2543 35.50500925
4159 34.33880921
1902 33.16025911
28 30.55943114
191 28.66458356
5093 28.51149758
1937 27.62375858
4901 26.76778436
540 25.60670568
3692 25.60468895
865 23.815865
2403 22.87801735
4935 20.50547604
4969 18.1837128
2080 17.87561042
4171 14
3843 13.84073428
2169 11.93889924
2227 11.57749809
1287 11.29137909
4977 10.8312226
5076 8.208114715
5297 7.285401073
5036 6.176184518
5326 5.014106165
1884 -4.880542236

*Added 2073
*Added 4171 (Missed because The Silicon Valley Regional was not in the data)
*Updated 1323's data because their best OPR was from Silicon Valley

[George Nishimura]

Nothing like a baptism of fire! We're excited, there's a first time for everything.

[Jade Z]

For the Pre-Scouting PDF, what do the "considered powerhouse","unusually good", and "regional powerhouse" mean? I understand the basic idea, but can you elaborate a little on the difference?

[JohnFogarty]

4901 is now ready for championship.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlYHYkJCAAEhtkd.jpg

[joelg236]

For the Pre-Scouting PDF, what do the "considered powerhouse","unusually good", and "regional powerhouse" mean? I understand the basic idea, but can you elaborate a little on the difference?

It's my very subjective understanding of the teams. What you see in the posted sheet is very different from what I have now. (work in progress - for our team only) Don't take it to mean anything substantial.

[Procolsaurus]

what do the "considered powerhouse","unusually good", and "regional powerhouse" mean?

Powerhouse = have been consistently good for several years, enough that people through FIRST have heard of them. I know the names of 9 of the 10 "Powerhouse" teams.
Regional Power house = have been successful in their home town consistently but never truly shown on the world stage
Unusually good = are very competitive this year but haven't shown consistence

Anyway the titles are subjective. I would have titled some of those teams differently, any team with a high OPR and that I have never heard of would be Unusually Good. Also placing teams 11, 125, and 1323 into the regional powerhouse category.


Completely unrelated note, I am really glad 4522 made it to champs. Saw them go out in the finals in Arkansas due to fouls (thankfully that rule got changed after week 1). Any team capable of giving The Bomb Squad a run for their money this year deserves to go to St. Louis.

[joelg236]

Anyway the titles are subjective. I would have titled some of those teams differently, any team with a high OPR and that I have never heard of would be Unusually Good. Also placing teams 11, 125, and 1323 into the regional powerhouse category.


Just a note to teams who might feel like they weren't recognized there - I literally took 2 minutes and only looked at the top ~20 teams in the state they are posted.

[Procolsaurus]

Has Curie started a pre-event scouting Google doc yet?

[joelg236]

Has Curie started a pre-event scouting Google doc yet?

I haven't found one yet, unless I'm blind.

[joelg236]

Some more data for everyone to feast on. For reference, stats with a green background are "above average", OPR+CCWM Ranking is the rank of your OPR and CCWM rank together, compared to that sum of other teams (using OPR as a tiebreaker). All stats are "max", meaning they are values from the team's best performance in that field. All are taken from Ed Law or 1114's database, depending on which had which.

By the way, if you have links to robot photos and videos, I'd like to collaborate (someone should start a public pit scouting sheet :)) so I have less work there.

http://i.imgur.com/uZS40qcl.png

[George Nishimura]

Some more data for everyone to feast on. For reference, stats with a green background are "above average", OPR+CCWM Ranking is the rank of your OPR and CCWM rank together, compared to that sum of other teams (using OPR as a tiebreaker). All stats are "max", meaning they are values from the team's best performance in that field. All are taken from Ed Law or 1114's database, depending on which had which.

By the way, if you have links to robot photos and videos, I'd like to collaborate (someone should start a public pit scouting sheet :)) so I have less work there.

http://i.imgur.com/uZS40qcl.png

1884's record is 10-5-0, not 4-5-0. The data seems to ignore elimination matches.

[Hallry]

As a side note...anyone have a link to an arena map showing the division field layout (assuming same as previous years if no updated map is available)?

This was posted last year (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1267130&postcount=11). It's a bit blurry, but better than nothing.

[TheKeeg]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/300x/43822990.jpg

[MamaSpoldi]

1884's record is 10-5-0, not 4-5-0. The data seems to ignore elimination matches.

Agreed, none of the elimination matches seem to be included in these statistics? Our final record is actually 49-28-0.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Agreed, none of the elimination matches seem to be included in these statistics? Our final record is actually 49-28-0.

Elims are never counted in OPR/CCWM they throw off the calculation.

[TDav540]

I always forget when this happens every year, but do we know when the schedule is given out for divisions?

[joelg236]

Elims are never counted in OPR/CCWM they throw off the calculation.

This. I'll probably manually put in "total record" to do more justice to teams, but win/loss should be quals only, for the same reason as OPR.

[Jared Russell]

This. I'll probably manually put in "total record" to do more justice to teams, but win/loss should be quals only, for the same reason as OPR.

I think that seeing a team's elimination record at a glance tells you meaningful information. A team with a 12-0 elimination record certainly looks different than one with an 0-2 eliminations record.

[OZ_341]

I think that seeing a team's elimination record at a glance tells you meaningful information. A team with a 12-0 elimination record certainly looks different than one with an 0-2 eliminations record.
Yup. I know our team always shines in eliminations and I would want to know this stat about the other teams I am scouting as well. We are 18 - 5 in eliminations in 2014.
Certain teams just come to life in the playoffs every year. Its an inherent trait that may or may not be robot related. Over the years local teams come to know this about a team, but it may not translate out to all of FRC. If you have the time I would add this stat.

[1629GaCo]

Team 1629 GaCo is looking forward to competing in the Curie Division. We absolutely cannot wait to Assist any and every team we play with!!! There are some stout teams in this division, but that is why you play the game!!!!! Let's break the curse Curie!!!

[mjc49]

Yup. I know our team always shines in eliminations and I would want to know this stat about the other teams I am scouting as well. We are 18 - 5 in eliminations in 2014.
Certain teams just come to life in the playoffs every year. Its an inherent trait that may or may not be robot related. Over the years local teams come to know this about a team, but it may not translate out to all of FRC. If you have the time I would add this stat.

There is so much data to go through, but with this years game it isn't until the elimination rounds that most teams can really work together to take advantage of the top scoring opportunities.

Our team's OPR & CCWM really suffered during our last regional due to mechanical issues. The issues were sorted out by the time QTR finals started, and we performed at a much higher level. It will be interesting to find out what teams are looking for in an alliance partners and what data is in really important (i.e. Automous high goal accuracy) in their selection process.

[JohnFogarty]

I've formulated this list of priorities in my head after my 3 regional events this year. Palmetto, Orlando, & Peachtree.

1. Drivetrain Strength & Reliability. (I haven't seen a stronger DT than 6CIM drive at this point.)
2. Intake/Assist Device Reliability and intelligent use.
3. ball control, ball control, ball control. (If the ball is popping out of your robot constantly you aren't going to be high on a pick list.)
3. Auto Point Reliability. (1. High Hot, 2. High)
4. Ability to truss or score high under defense. (You can't easily do this without number 1.)
4.5. Good/Smart Drivers.
5. Having the least vulnerable scoring positions. (i.e scoring from in front of the low goal is a nearly un-defendable position though it can be made difficult to get to. scoring from further back can be an issue depending on your shooter design. I have gotten fairly good at figuring out where team's like to shoot and where one would need to be to prevent them from doing so. It works 75-80% of the time depending on the stoutness of the offensive robot's drivetrain.)

Anyone have any thoughts to add to my thinking?

[Wayne Doenges]

I've formulated this list of priorities in my head after my 3 regional events this year. Palmetto, Orlando, & Peachtree.

1. Drivetrain Strength & Reliability. (I haven't seen a stronger DT than 6CIM drive at this point.)
2. Intake/Assist Device Reliability and intelligent use.
3. ball control, ball control, ball control. (If the ball is popping out of your robot constantly you aren't going to be high on a pick list.)
3. Auto Point Reliability. (1. High Hot, 2. High)
4. Ability to truss or score high under defense. (You ca't do this without number 1.)
4.5. Good/Smart Drivers.
5. Having the least vulnerable scoring positions. (i.e scoring from in front of the low goal is a nearly un-defendable position though it can be made difficult to get to. scoring from further back can be an issue depending on your shooter design. I have gotten fairly good at figuring out where team's like to shoot and where one would need to be to prevent them from doing so. It works 75-80% of the time depending on the stoutness of the offensive robot's drivetrain.)

Anyone have any thoughts to add to my thinking?

6. Never loose control of the ball.

[JohnFogarty]

6. Never loose control of the ball.

That's 3 on my list.

[Wayne Doenges]

That's 3 on my list.

I was talking about a different type of ball contol. If you can move the ball across the field (even with truss shots) and keep control of it, you will do well.

[XaulZan11]

4. Ability to truss or score high under defense. (You ca't do this without number 1.)

Speed and manuverabilty to find open shots can nullify the need for pure strength in your drivetrain. 33 did pretty well at MSC with 4 omni wheels.

[Abhishek R]

Speed and manuverabilty to find open shots can nullify the need for pure strength in your drivetrain. 33 did pretty well at MSC with 4 omni wheels.

And 1114 has 4 CIMS. You don't necessarily need 6 CIMS to be able to get around effectively, though it can help.

[DManz]

So am I under the impression that an alliance is 4 team members and that all 4 team members are titled as champions if they win the championship even in the scenario that the 4th robot does not play at all?

[Mason987]

So am I under the impression that an alliance is 4 team members and that all 4 team members are titled as champions if they win the championship even in the scenario that the 4th robot does not play at all?

That is correct, but I have a feeling with this game we'll definitely be seeing all four robots play.

[joelg236]

That is correct, but I have a feeling with this game we'll definitely be seeing all four robots play.

Why? Damage or strategy?

[Billfred]

So am I under the impression that an alliance is 4 team members and that all 4 team members are titled as champions if they win the championship even in the scenario that the 4th robot does not play at all?

That is correct, but I have a feeling with this game we'll definitely be seeing all four robots play.

Mason is right, but I don't think it's a total guarantee. 68 won IRI 2008 under the same rules without ever taking the field. I think it's a safe bet that some fourth robots eliminated earlier won't see the field at all.

[Abhishek R]

Why? Damage or strategy?

Both, probably. It's going to be a lot of matches on the road for the winning alliance, against a lot of brutal defense and varied strategies.

[joelg236]

Both, probably. It's going to be a lot of matches on the road for the winning alliance, against a lot of brutal defense and varied strategies.

I'm going out on a limb and saying that no backups will be called (in curie) until Einstein.

[Abhishek R]

I'm going out on a limb and saying that no backups will be called (in curie) until Einstein.

That's pretty likely, with the number of robust machines on Curie we may not see the backup used at all.

[EricDrost]

I'm going out on a limb and saying that no backups will be called (in curie) until Einstein.

If 11 is an alliance captain, I'd put money on us running two different alliance configurations in the QFs alone. The 4th team isn't a back up plan, it's a fully interchangeable member of your alliance and it'd be silly not to use them as such.

[JohnFogarty]

And 1114 has 4 CIMS. You don't necessarily need 6 CIMS to be able to get around effectively, though it can help.

I said that I haven't seen a DT stronger than a 6CIM.

I know that 4CIM DT's can be more than enough depending on who you are playing against plus taking the fact some teams have shifters into account is another factor. I've never played against 1114 this year so I don't know how easily we could push them around. What I have seen is that using Orlando as reference the only teams that stood up the most to our defense were 6CIM DT's. I will also say that your team's drive-train stood up a lot better than I expected to us in that one qualifying match.

I am in no way eliminating the fact that 4CIM drivetrains can be perfectly successful.

[joelg236]

If 11 is an alliance captain, I'd put money on us running two different alliance configurations in the QFs alone. The 4th team isn't a back up plan, it's a fully interchangeable member of your alliance and it'd be silly not to use them as such.

Depends on who it is. You could end up with no good choices and have an incapable 4th. (I think that'll be more common than people are thinking) Why bother putting a worse robot in?

[Andrew Schreiber]

Depends on who it is. You could end up with no good choices and have an incapable 4th. (I think that'll be more common than people are thinking) Why bother putting a worse robot in?

Tactical flexibility. Never underestimate the value of forcing your opponent to think on their feet.

[JohnFogarty]

Tactical flexibility. Never underestimate the value of forcing your opponent to think on their feet.

Agreed completely.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

I think as far as 4th robots are concerned there is something to be said about consistency. If your alliance was able to win your first match in say the quarterfinals by a large margin, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to switch a robot out. In fact, I would only consider switching if the alliance we are on lost a match pretty handedly or of course if a robot is broken. I can't think of any specific triple assist strategies that you couldn't pull off with the same robots. Perhaps I'm just not seeing a certain strategy that might be viable.

[Mason987]

Mason is right, but I don't think it's a total guarantee. 68 won IRI 2008 under the same rules without ever taking the field. I think it's a safe bet that some fourth robots eliminated earlier won't see the field at all.

This is true, we won IRI with 68 that year. I just have a pretty strong feeling that a majority of the alliances will (maybe should?) be picking their third and fourth bots to swap in and out. Mostly (hopefully always) strategically, less due to damage. Although, looking at the scars on our bot and the amount of defense I've witnessed at SDR and LVR, damage related swaps are always a possibility. ::ouch::

These fourth bots open up a realm of possibilities for eliminations and Einstein.

[Gary Dillard]

I've formulated this list of priorities in my head after my 3 regional events this year. Palmetto, Orlando, & Peachtree.

1. Drivetrain Strength & Reliability. (I haven't seen a stronger DT than 6CIM drive at this point.)
2. Intake/Assist Device Reliability and intelligent use.
3. ball control, ball control, ball control. (If the ball is popping out of your robot constantly you aren't going to be high on a pick list.)
3. Auto Point Reliability. (1. High Hot, 2. High)
4. Ability to truss or score high under defense. (You can't easily do this without number 1.)
4.5. Good/Smart Drivers.
5. Having the least vulnerable scoring positions. (i.e scoring from in front of the low goal is a nearly un-defendable position though it can be made difficult to get to. scoring from further back can be an issue depending on your shooter design. I have gotten fairly good at figuring out where team's like to shoot and where one would need to be to prevent them from doing so. It works 75-80% of the time depending on the stoutness of the offensive robot's drivetrain.)

Anyone have any thoughts to add to my thinking?

Maybe no penalties (especially no stupid ones) should be up there somewhere?

[Koko Ed]

Maybe no penalties (especially no stupid ones) should be up there somewhere?

Look no further than the human player. If they are acting the fool and piling up penalties like a busnessman does airline miles write them off ASAP!

[Coach Norm]

Look no further than the human player. If they are acting the fool and piling up penalties like a busnessman does airline miles write them off ASAP!

Yes to this. Human players should definitely not be getting penalties at this point much less drive teams.

[joelg236]

Pre-scouting is started

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1375494

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I've made a pretty crude attempt to factor out event "quality" from OPRs. The first stab at this simply adds the event's median (or mean) OPR to the OPR for the team. Teams that go to better events get more points.

There is probably a better way to normalize OPRs across events, but this seems okay.

Median adjusted

469, 173.87
1718, 172.53
254, 165.16
118, 156.09
4522, 155.41
4334, 153.48
68, 147.97
180, 145.42
125, 144.78
359, 141.41
4362, 139.88
230, 139.83
447, 134.78
842, 132.70
3476, 130.78
4055, 129.77
1241, 129.24
2013, 126.08
177, 126.05
2451, 125.47
987, 120.14
3015, 115.58
3812, 115.58
74, 115.37
3990, 113.58
2016, 112.03
624, 111.82
573, 109.24
1323, 108.89
1595, 107.49
1629, 107.33
11, 106.22
222, 106.17
135, 104.99
1732, 103.57
75, 101.77
1714, 100.17
2619, 98.72
2928, 95.88
5172, 95.59
4819, 94.64
2468, 93.10
236, 91.92
1676, 91.58
4915, 91.04
5191, 90.55
2648, 89.38
294, 88.08
2443, 87.46
3161, 85.55
772, 85.44
1501, 85.26
2848, 84.20
2478, 82.12
3386, 80.39
1723, 73.98
3301, 73.36
3660, 73.23
3794, 72.06
2073, 70.84
3932, 70.33
3230, 70.31
3478, 69.24
1311, 68.90
418, 68.86
5024, 68.67
4125, 67.45
1902, 65.97
3562, 65.60
191, 63.47
5125, 62.99
865, 62.59
2403, 60.94
3042, 58.18
4159, 57.95
5093, 57.02
5179, 56.96
3692, 56.30
4486, 55.74
4161, 55.72
28, 55.65
5002, 55.58
2543, 52.49
5076, 51.66
4901, 49.43
1937, 44.94
4171, 44.38
540, 44.33
2080, 43.58
4935, 38.53
4969, 36.91
2169, 35.94
2227, 32.31
5326, 30.95
3843, 30.65
1287, 29.59
5297, 29.06
5036, 28.36
4977, 25.62
1884, 14.18


Mean adjusted

1718, 187.63
469, 178.86
254, 169.93
4522, 162.90
4334, 161.09
118, 161.08
68, 152.96
359, 149.26
180, 146.12
4362, 144.87
125, 143.80
842, 141.23
230, 138.84
1241, 136.33
2451, 134.26
2013, 133.70
3476, 131.36
447, 130.91
4055, 128.79
177, 128.27
987, 127.52
74, 120.36
3990, 118.12
3812, 117.91
3015, 117.03
624, 115.52
1323, 114.47
573, 114.23
1629, 114.11
1732, 112.37
1595, 109.82
135, 108.28
2016, 108.16
11, 107.80
222, 107.75
2619, 103.71
75, 103.35
1714, 102.08
5172, 101.83
4819, 99.63
2468, 98.80
2928, 98.21
4915, 97.16
2443, 95.32
236, 94.14
1676, 93.16
294, 92.62
3161, 90.32
2648, 88.40
3386, 87.02
1501, 86.61
2848, 85.87
5191, 84.14
2478, 82.70
772, 81.38
1723, 77.94
1311, 77.83
3660, 77.18
2073, 76.18
5024, 75.77
3794, 75.33
418, 73.85
3301, 73.33
3478, 72.52
5125, 71.79
3230, 71.38
3932, 71.03
4125, 71.03
3562, 70.94
865, 67.36
1902, 66.66
191, 64.91
4486, 63.57
5002, 62.86
5093, 62.01
3042, 61.77
2403, 61.52
5179, 61.50
4159, 60.46
2543, 59.50
3692, 58.21
28, 57.99
4161, 57.91
4901, 53.40
4171, 49.96
540, 49.69
2080, 47.54
1937, 46.59
5076, 45.24
4969, 42.27
4935, 42.16
2169, 41.91
3843, 37.93
5297, 36.91
5036, 34.99
1287, 34.64
2227, 34.15
5326, 32.30
4977, 28.90
1884, 19.84


I've attached a file that contains all event OPR stats.

[AlexD744]

Tactical flexibility. Never underestimate the value of forcing your opponent to think on their feet.

So much this! Changing up your strategy between or even during a match can throw in a mind game to the opponents that could swing a match.

[JB987]

"I've made a pretty crude attempt to factor out event "quality" from OPRs. The first stab at this simply adds the event's median (or mean) OPR to the OPR for the team. Teams that go to better events get more points."

Or... teams that competed at events with less defense played get more points?

[Tom Bottiglieri]

"I've made a pretty crude attempt to factor out event "quality" from OPRs. The first stab at this simply adds the event's median (or mean) OPR to the OPR for the team. Teams that go to better events get more points."

Or... teams that competed at events with less defense played get more points?
Good catch. I only thought about the positive case.

This is correct, assuming less defense equals more points, which it doesn't always. It's hard to statistically isolate events that are defense heavy from events that don't have a lot of offensive power.

As I said this is a super crude way of doing this, and it may be rewarding points for the wrong things. I think the teams who went to DCMP events are unfairly rewarded as those events were made up of a selected pool of teams.

Anyway, all the raw data is there.

[JB987]

Thanks for crunching the numbers, Tom. Any data in correct context can serve a useful purpose...

[pabeekm]

Anyone on Curie want to join in on a scouting alliance between teams on different fields? (Details can be found here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127895&highlight=sharing+scouting+data+at+championships)

We've got teams on the other 3 fields interested, but could use some representation from Curie. Thanks!

[George1902]

The first stab at this simply adds the event's median (or mean) OPR to the OPR for the team. Teams that go to better events get more points.
If I'm reading this right, wouldn't this exacerbate the issue? You're adding the high average of a strong event to an already inflated OPR.

Rather, you'd want to measure how strong the event was and correct OPR with that. Simplest way would be to take the difference of the event's average OPR and the world average OPR, and subtract that from the team's OPR at that event. This would lower OPRs at stronger-than-average events and raise them at weaker ones.

Something like:

OPR - (Event Avg - World Avg)

[Joe Ross]

There are really two opposite factors that affect event to event OPR comparison. One is if an event does not have many teams that are able to possess the ball, everyone's OPR will be lower. This seems to be what George is interested in. The other is that at an event with a lot of good teams, there's only so many points you can score due to cycle time. A good scoring robot and two decent passers will likely score similar to 3 all around good robots. This reduces the OPR of the all around good robots at an event. This seems to be what Tom was addressing.

[cbudrecki]

Tigertrons YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpWB1TI3m088En663zB-fKQ) page has videos from Mt. Olive, and I am making it my mission to get the MAR Champs matches posted by Monday. (edit at home, upload at work ;) ) Unfortunately, we don't have video from Chestnut Hill, sorry.:(

[Jared Russell]

There are really two opposite factors that affect event to event OPR comparison. One is if an event does not have many teams that are able to possess the ball, everyone's OPR will be lower. This seems to be what George is interested in. The other is that at an event with a lot of good teams, there's only so many points you can score due to cycle time. A good scoring robot and two decent passers will likely score similar to 3 all around good robots. This reduces the OPR of the all around good robots at an event. This seems to be what Tom was addressing.

Among the other problems with OPR this year is the assumption that teams are trying to maximize their overall score. Many teams at times sacrificed potential truss and high goal points to maximize assist points rather than total score.

[Hallry]

Tigertrons YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpWB1TI3m088En663zB-fKQ) page has videos from Mt. Olive, and I am making it my mission to get the MAR Champs matches posted by Monday. (edit at home, upload at work ;) ) Unfortunately, we don't have video from Chestnut Hill, sorry.:(

FYI, Team 1676 has all of the full-field match videos from Mt. Olive (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlESgxFVf6jcv4FHDKQoeq3c9), Clifton (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlER3svh8hLFVjIOrSxsJhrad), and Bridgewater-Raritan (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlESksOH7q5Sxmsow4kXfAfSz) posted on their YouTube Channel. (http://www.youtube.com/user/Team1676) They are also working on getting all of their MAR Champs footage (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlETaZVVO0VU3SRlOHwdk6ZAa) up as well, which will hopefully all be posted by tomorrow.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

If I'm reading this right, wouldn't this exacerbate the issue? You're adding the high average of a strong event to an already inflated OPR.

Rather, you'd want to measure how strong the event was and correct OPR with that. Simplest way would be to take the difference of the event's average OPR and the world average OPR, and subtract that from the team's OPR at that event. This would lower OPRs at stronger-than-average events and raise them at weaker ones.

Something like:

OPR - (Event Avg - World Avg)
I am trying to award teams who played at harder events and had their OPR lowered because of the defense they played against. This method does exactly that and brings up teams who played at high caliber events closer to the top. It doesn't award teams who had high OPRs at their event where no one else could score as much. I'm not sure how good of a metric it is other than kind of being a 2nd order sort on who played well at "good" events.

[TravusCubington]

http://i.imgur.com/Kuv3SlQ.png

[Andrew Lawrence]

http://i.imgur.com/Kuv3SlQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/eQJ9m5d.png

[Akash Rastogi]

http://i.imgur.com/eQJ9m5d.png

Dying right now. Please tell me Curie's pits and stands will be full of giant EJ heads and other memes.

[Hallry]

http://i.imgur.com/Kuv3SlQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/PreTpan.png

[Andrew Schreiber]

Dying right now. Please tell me Curie's pits and stands will be full of giant EJ heads and other memes.

They will likely be full of Bates heads...

http://i.imgur.com/Khtg2go.gif

[Steven Donow]

They will likely be full of Bates heads...

http://i.imgur.com/Khtg2go.gif

Bates is love, Bates is life.

http://i.imgur.com/70JmsHM.jpg

[JB987]

Anyone know what team was just added to make the 100th team in our division?

[Jared Russell]

Anyone know what team was just added to make the 100th team in our division?

2073

[JB987]

Thanks Jared!

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Ok stats kids, go nuts.

Edit: I swapped red and blue. Re-download please.

[Christian2443]

Hi my name is Christian, and I am from team 2443. I was wondering if anyone in the curie division would like to team up for scouting. Being from Hawaii, it is very expensive to travel to attend the championships. The group attending championships is much smaller then the group that attended Hawaii Regional.

Our scouting system involves 3 sections.

1. Pre-scouting is where the team currently has a spreadsheet where we are inputting information about all the teams based on information we can find from robot reveals, blue alliance, and from match videos.

2. Pit scouting where we go to each pit to talk to the teams in person. In the conversation, we would talk with the teams to find out information that is still not clear or missing from our pre-scouting. (e.g # of Drive Motors). At the championships it will be very difficult with such a short time on wednesday to pit scout, so by pre-scouting we reduce the time we spend talking with each team.

3. Match scouting we have 7-8 members in the stands where 6 of them watch one robot each. While a member is watching a robot, they must keep track of the goals the robot scored, shots missed, driver/defensive rating, assist, fouls, comments, etc.. They keep track using the match scouting packet meant for that team. Once the match is over, these members pass it to 1-2 members on the labtops where they input the data into our database. Once, it is on the database we use Tableau to analyze the data.

We have used this scouting system at both the Central Valley and Hawaii Regional this season. The data we have collected has helped our team in matches, and also when deciding who to select during alliance selection.

If anyone is interested in working together to scout, then please PM me.

[Coach Norm]

Hi my name is Christian, and I am from team 2443. I was wondering if anyone in the curie division would like to team up for scouting. Being from Hawaii, it is very expensive to travel to attend the championships. The group attending championships is much smaller then the group that attended Hawaii Regional.

Our scouting system involves 3 sections.

1. Pre-scouting is where the team currently has a spreadsheet where we are inputting information about all the teams based on information we can find from robot reveals, blue alliance, and from match videos.

2. Pit scouting where we go to each pit to talk to the teams in person. In the conversation, we would talk with the teams to find out information that is still not clear or missing from our pre-scouting. (e.g # of Drive Motors). At the championships it will be very difficult with such a short time on wednesday to pit scout, so by pre-scouting we reduce the time we spend talking with each team.

3. Match scouting we have 7-8 members in the stands where 6 of them watch one robot each. While a member is watching a robot, they must keep track of the goals the robot scored, shots missed, driver/defensive rating, assist, fouls, comments, etc.. They keep track using the match scouting packet meant for that team. Once the match is over, these members pass it to 1-2 members on the labtops where they input the data into our database. Once, it is on the database we use Tableau to analyze the data.

We have used this scouting system at both the Central Valley and Hawaii Regional this season. The data we have collected has helped our team in matches, and also when deciding who to select during alliance selection.

If anyone is interested in working together to scout, then please PM me.

We are using the FRC Scout app with our team. If you would like partner or set with us, we might be able to work something out.

[roystur44]

Here's a color based stat sheet of Curie based on the 1114 database . I think the Curie curse is going down this year.

Curie vs Newton in the finals


254 987 1323 vs 971 1114 368

[MrTechCenter]

Here's a color based stat sheet of Curie based on the 1114 database . I think the Curie curse is going down this year.

Curie vs Newton in the finals


254 987 1323 vs 971 1114 368

No way that either alliance is going to exist (well, it's possible but improbable). With whichever team on either alliance is supposed to be picked on the way back up probably won't be available by then. These teams are just TOO good.

[joelg236]

OPR based predictions to make everyone scared.

http://i.imgur.com/pVVh7Oy.png

[Koko Ed]

OPR based predictions to make everyone scared.

http://i.imgur.com/pVVh7Oy.png

Can't really see it too good.

[joelg236]

Can't really see it too good.

Full predictions. Note that this is based off of Max OPR and uses assist OPR as a tiebreaker.

[Thad House]

Full predictions. Note that this is based off of Max OPR and uses assist OPR as a tiebreaker.

Do you have this for the other divisions?

[joelg236]

Do you have this for the other divisions?

Unfortunately not, but I could start working on it.

[Jared]

OPR based predictions to make everyone scared.

http://i.imgur.com/pVVh7Oy.png

I did the same thing, but got different results. Where did you get your OPR data? I used team 2834's for my results.

For top 8, I had
842
469
1241
1718
2013
118
125
135


Attached is my excel spreadsheet that uses team 2834's scouting database. It's interesting to see that OPR doesn't have a great correlation with the number of matches won predicted by OPR.

[Joe Ross]

I did the same thing, but got different results. Where did you get your OPR data? I used team 2834's for my results.

You used World OPR, where Joel used max event OPR. Both are available in Ed Law's database.

[joelg236]

I did the same thing, but got different results. Where did you get your OPR data?
You used World OPR, where Joel used max event OPR. Both are available in Ed Law's database.
This.


Attached is my excel spreadsheet that uses team 2834's scouting database. It's interesting to see that OPR doesn't have a great correlation with the number of matches won predicted by OPR.


I thought your graph was interesting, here is what mine looks like with max event OPR.

http://i.imgur.com/fLSnr2I.png

[magnets]

I did the same thing, but got different results. Where did you get your OPR data? I used team 2834's for my results.

For top 8, I had
842
469
1241
1718
2013
118
125
135


Attached is my excel spreadsheet that uses team 2834's scouting database. It's interesting to see that OPR doesn't have a great correlation with the number of matches won predicted by OPR.

The graph is interesting. I never realized how much scheduling luck can help/hurt somebody. There is a team that won 4 matches that has a higher OPR than a team that won 9 matches. If you're basing these predicted wins purely off of opr, I would have expected different results.

Even more interesting, is team 3562, who has an opr of 31.8, and has 7 wins, predicted by OPR. Poor team 191 has an OPR of 30, and they only have 1 win predicted by OPR. You are missing team 2073 in your OPR, and have set their OPR to 35, but changing it to their real value does not make a difference in their win/loss.

[Koko Ed]

The graph is interesting. I never realized how much scheduling luck can help/hurt somebody. There is a team that won 4 matches that has a higher OPR than a team that won 9 matches. If you're basing these predicted wins purely off of opr, I would have expected different results.

Even more interesting, is team 3562, who has an opr of 31.8, and has 7 wins, predicted by OPR. Poor team 191 has an OPR of 30, and they only have 1 win predicted by OPR. You are missing team 2073 in your OPR, and have set their OPR to 35, but changing it to their real value does not make a difference in their win/loss.
Yeah, not so crazy about Jared's predictions but we exceeded the predictions last year so we'll see if we can do it again this year.

[magnets]

A few more interesting (and for me, pretty eye-opening) statistics- Remember, that in these predictions assume that a team always scores exactly their OPR in each match, so OPR (in these predictions) is a perfect representation of robot performance.

Team 1884 has an OPR of 1.18. On their simulated performance, based solely on OPR and the matches they will play in, they will win 5 matches. Team 447 has an OPR of 74.14. On their simulated performance, they will win only 4 matches.

The average OPR of teams that win 5 matches is lower than that of teams that win 4.

There is little to no correlation between a teams ability to score and their ability to seed in the top 8.

1/2 of the top 8 scoring robots will not end up in the top 8. The 29th best robot places 5th, the third best robot places 10th, and the 5th best places 17th.

[Koko Ed]

A few more interesting (and for me, pretty eye-opening) statistics- Remember, that in these predictions assume that a team always scores exactly their OPR in each match, so OPR (in these predictions) is a perfect representation of robot performance.

Team 1884 has an OPR of 1.18. On their simulated performance, based solely on OPR and the matches they will play in, they will win 5 matches. Team 447 has an OPR of 74.14. On their simulated performance, they will win only 4 matches.

The average OPR of teams that win 5 matches is lower than that of teams that win 4.

There is little to no correlation between a teams ability to score and their ability to seed in the top 8.

1/2 of the top 8 scoring robots will not end up in the top 8. The 29th best robot places 5th, the third best robot places 10th, and the 5th best places 17th.
I remember a match last year where it was predicted we were going to get annihilated and one of our partners didn't bother to show up to boot and we won bigtime (partially due to one of the robots falling over). The predictions are just speculation. Not fact.

[Robotmmm]

I don't think there is any way to account for it, but remember that teams in this division who were at the Mount Olive District played matches that were 20 seconds short. This will have a negative impact on their OPR.

[Gregor]

I don't think there is any way to account for it, but remember that teams in this division who were at the Mount Olive District played matches that were 20 seconds short. This will have a negative impact on their OPR.

Since these predictions are using Max OPR (best OPR from a single event), it shouldn't affect too many teams, since Mount Olive was a week one. Most teams play better at their later events in the season.

It would only affect teams whose Max OPR was from Mount Olive, or would have been from Mount Olive had the matches been the correct length.

[XaulZan11]

There is little to no correlation between a teams ability to score and their ability to seed in the top 8.


You mean there is no correlation between a teams' OPR and their ability to seed in the top 8. *insert all the limitations of OPR*.


(There are far too many people concerned with OPR and spending far too much time analyzing, adjusting OPR to show various things and make predictions. OPR is good for a very quick reference when you have no other information about a team. If you are spending more than 15 minutes on OPR, I suggest you actually watch matches of teams. You will get a far better picture of who is good and who isn't. Better yet, you will find what their strengths/weakness are.)

[magnets]

You mean there is no correlation between a teams' OPR and their ability to seed in the top 8. *insert all the limitations of OPR*.


(There are far too many people concerned with OPR and spending far too much time analyzing, adjusting OPR to show various things and make predictions. OPR is good for a very quick reference when you have no other information about a team. If you are spending more than 15 minutes on OPR, I suggest you actually watch matches of teams. You will get a far better picture of who is good and who isn't. Better yet, you will find what their strengths/weakness are.)

I do not think that a team's OPR is a good indicator of their strength. However, in these predicted matches, it is a perfect representation of their strength because the score for each match is calculated based on the the OPR, and only the OPR of each robot.

My point has nothing to do with individual teams, but it has to do with the schedule and number of matches. If you go out, and you score exactly 30 points per match, you may win one match, or you may win seven, depending on your schedule. That's what the data shows. I'm trying to prove how much of a difference your schedule can make. In these predictions, OPR is a perfect representation of a robots performance. In the real world, that is not true. I would generally expect that robots that score more points will rank higher, but it is not true.

[Jared]

Yeah, not so crazy about Jared's predictions but we exceeded the predictions last year so we'll see if we can do it again this year.

I wouldn't count on almost any of these being at all accurate, but it is fun to look at. The score an alliance will get will also depend on the alliance it is facing, which isn't taking into account with OPR.


You mean there is no correlation between a teams' OPR and their ability to seed in the top 8.


Magnets is right in saying that, for this prediction only and not in real matches, that OPR is a team's ability to contribute points for an alliance. However, even though it's not perfect, there is still a correlation between matches won and ability to contribute points. Look at Joel's graph or the graph in my spreadsheet and you'll see that, in general, teams that can score more, will seed higher, which makes a lot of sense. Of course there will be exceptions, but teams will be scouting to look for good teams seeded low.

[Mullen]

(There are far too many people concerned with OPR and spending far too much time analyzing, adjusting OPR to show various things and make predictions. OPR is good for a very quick reference when you have no other information about a team. If you are spending more than 15 minutes on OPR, I suggest you actually watch matches of teams. You will get a far better picture of who is good and who isn't. Better yet, you will find what their strengths/weakness are.)

Agreed. OPR may be good to glance at, but isn't really a good predictor of records. Strategy, especially in this game, can throw OPR out the door. Going into MSC, we were expected to 3-9 based on OPR. After going 3-0 on day 1, Spyder predicted we would go 12-0. we ended with a final qualification record of 7-5.

[stingray27]

(There are far too many people concerned with OPR and spending far too much time analyzing, adjusting OPR to show various things and make predictions. OPR is good for a very quick reference when you have no other information about a team. If you are spending more than 15 minutes on OPR, I suggest you actually watch matches of teams. You will get a far better picture of who is good and who isn't. Better yet, you will find what their strengths/weakness are.)

I completely agree on this. NEVER base your decisions on OPR values. Use them to get a quick glance at an upcoming match, or to give your drivers a head start on who to start looking at for match strategy, etc. But that should be it.

I just run the numbers cause it is a mental challenge, it is interesting to look at, and it gives other people stuff to look at too. I don't think my team has ever used OPR during selection.

[Abhishek R]

I'm sure that those who are running these OPR predictions know that OPR is not the end-all in terms of the actual ranking, and are mostly doing this to occupy them with the statistics before we get to CMP. According to the graph, the general trend is that the better teams will still seed higher, and it's a known factor that schedules can swing teams around. I wouldn't put too much weight on the predictions, though they are interesting to look at.

[XaulZan11]

I'm sure that those who are running these OPR predictions know that OPR is not the end-all in terms of the actual ranking, and are mostly doing this to occupy them with the statistics before we get to CMP.

Agreed. My mini-rant was more directed at some of the newer people (in many threads) who were making sweeping generalizations based on OPR without really understanding it isn't perfect. Most of the people (which I do appreciate) doing the calculations understand it, but there are many that take the results a step too far. I really don't intend to start a back and forth on OPR as that has been done several times...



I'm glad Frank explained how teams got placed in divisions. If not, I would has thought their goal was to confuse everyone by putting 2468, 2478, 2648, 2848 and 2928 in the same division. :cool:

[joelg236]

1/2 of the top 8 scoring robots will not end up in the top 8. The 29th best robot places 5th, the third best robot places 10th, and the 5th best places 17th.

2nd highest OPR (us) places 18th. I think we have the worst statistical schedule out there. I'm not concerned though, a lot of our matches could go both ways easily.

[JohnFogarty]

A lot of our OPR based woes involved huge intake and ball control issues. Which we have made huge progress on since Orlando if I do say so myself.

Along with a terrible statistical schedule at Palmetto, and a average/moderately difficult one at Orlando.

I'll take strategy anyday over OPR.

[Nyxyxylyth]

At MSC, lowest OPR losing (single bot) was a lot more accurate than highest alliance OPR winning.

WTT: my FRC free corn dog for video footage of 2013 Cybergnomes [edit:At WCR]

[Jared Russell]

WTT: my FRC free corn dog for video footage of 2013 Cybergnomes.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/2013

PAY UP

[Nyxyxylyth]

http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/2013

PAY UP

Okay you can have my son's... but I was really hoping for some video of whatever happened at the Western Canada elims. Looks like the espresso really kicked in from those scores.

[JohnFogarty]

http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/2013

PAY UP

Some corndogs were lost on this day.

[iVanDuzer]

WTT: my FRC free corn dog for video footage of 2013 Cybergnomes [edit:At WCR]

ALSO: here are all of their matches so far this season. (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives) You have to actually "find" them by typing in their team number on the left.

[Yipyapper]

Okay you can have my son's... but I was really hoping for some video of whatever happened at the Western Canada elims. Looks like the espresso really kicked in from those scores.

There was defense there, but 2013 and 4334 just were so far and above the competition that them teaming up was a foregone conclusion. Really happy for both teams--4334 is already 2nd in OPR in the toughest division and won a chairman's this year. Powerhouse team if I ever saw one.

[Nyxyxylyth]

ALSO: here are all of their matches so far this season. (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives) You have to actually "find" them by typing in their team number on the left.
Nice... I hadn't ever looked there after all that #omgyoustoleourvideos controversy. I sure couldn't find it anywhere else.

@Jared, Ian: I'll see if I can track you fellas down and get you those corn dogs ;)

[cbudrecki]

So, now the FIRST has released Match Schedules (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-Divisions-and-Preliminary-Match-Schedules), how do you see things going down? What matches are you looking forward to?

I think Curie 120 will be pretty amazing... 222 with 125 going up against 11... yeah, should be a good one.

[DManz]

Match 47. Theory6 and M.O.R.T ( along with my team ) going up against Hawaiian kids, team appreciate , and dirty mechanics . If preliminary a fall through, this will be the match I am most excited to take part in and watch.

[ThunderChief]

Team 3476, Code Orange, is in the Curie Division.
:D Crush the Curie Curse:D
We were the #3 pick and Newton Division Champions last year without winning a Regional. In 2014, we competed at the Las Vegas and San Diego Regionals. If you would like to see us in action, here is a list of links to video of Team 3476’s matches.

Most of these HD videos were shot by Gary Hedge, a mentor on Team 3476, Code Orange. The video follows the action with close-up zooms, tilts and pans. Scores are shown at the end of match.
A highlights video of Team 3476’s 2014 robot, Hanalei, for Championship pre-scouters is available on YouTube at: http://youtu.be/NRo1hbfD7Lk .

At Las Vegas, Team 3476, Code Orange, was the first pick by the #3 Alliance Captain, Team 1717, d’Penguineers. Team 687, The Nerd Herd, rounded out the alliance. The alliance beat the #2 alliance in the Semi-finals to move on to become Finalists, losing by a narrow margin to the #1 Alliance of Teams 2485, 987 and 2478.

Team 3476, Code Orange, received the 2014 San Diego Regional Chairman’s Award. In San Diego, Code Orange was the #2 Alliance Captain, Semifinalist and won the Imagery Award in honor of Jack Kamen. They were undefeated in the Qualification Matches along with team 987, High Rollers, with 11 wins. Code Orange scored the most accumulated Autonomous points with 515 and the most Truss & Catch points with 330.

LAS VEGAS VIDEOS:
FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Quarterfinal 4-1 http://youtu.be/H8Fa9PFbkts
Score: Red 195 points; Blue 61 points. Alliance #3 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1717, frc3476, frc687 vs. Alliance #6 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1266, frc1165, frc60.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Quarterfinal 4-2 http://youtu.be/ccOwm0qFmjU
Score: Red 165 points; Blue 98 points. Alliance #3 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1717, frc3476, frc687 vs. Alliance #6 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1266, frc1165, frc60.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Semifinal 2-1 http://youtu.be/DHwXH4nyUnk
Score: Red 211 points; Blue 96 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2122, frc1572, frc399 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Semifinal 2-2 http://youtu.be/ngai8L37umY
Score: Red 152 points; Blue 165 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2122, frc1572, frc399 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Semifinal 2-3 http://youtu.be/gTJ_rEvVkEY
Score: Red 136 points; Blue 295 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2122, frc1572, frc399 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Final-1 http://youtu.be/xvxrYuNC4hk
Score: Red 166 points; Blue 145 points. Alliance #1 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2478, frc2485, frc987 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Final-2 http://youtu.be/6n-XEj5Ege8
Score: Red 175 points; Blue 130 points. Alliance #1 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2478, frc2485, frc987 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc1717, frc3476, frc687

Qualification Matches:
FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #03
Link to video by Gary Hedge: http://youtu.be/wHD4PdSdclg
Score: Red 136 points; Blue 95 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1717, frc3577, frc988 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc5049, frc3476, frc2403.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #16 http://youtu.be/in9Z2AQ9Jbc
Score: Red 111points; Blue 105 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1631, frc1538, frc2493 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc585, frc2486, frc3476.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #24 http://youtu.be/qyTLU3yN4eo
Score: Red 185 points; Blue 160 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2485, frc3476, frc3187 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc1661, frc4146, frc2102.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #33 http://youtu.be/fP1_hG7qT08
Score: Red 210 points; Blue 87 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1515, frc1726, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc5049, frc4962, frc3255.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #37 http://youtu.be/Tu7ObM3UT14
Score: Red 225 points; Blue 215 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3501, frc987, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc1726, frc1572, frc4800.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #43 http://youtu.be/b34D9qb8Pwc
Score: Red 121 points; Blue 117 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc4470, frc2478 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3501, frc1197, frc3598.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #55 http://youtu.be/C_0FJcJG37Q
Score: Red 155 points; Blue 145 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc4322, frc60, frc987 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc4146, frc3476, frc3598.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #59 http://youtu.be/lQV44F_kK-0
Score: Red 136 points; Blue 190 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3245, frc3309, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc2122, frc1165, frc4276.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #60 http://youtu.be/77lXtrdpehY
Score: Red 131 points; Blue 81 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1717, frc1538, frc687 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc1266, frc5012, frc2034.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #74 by Ben Nye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS_0YADMEsc
Score: Red 36 points; Blue 230 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2034, frc585, frc4792 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3476, frc1266, frc4276.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #82 by Ben Nye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkSmayFNElU
Score: Red 115 points; Blue 166 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc4, frc687, frc3965 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3476, frc4160, frc2429.

FRC 2014 Las Vegas Regional Match #86 http://youtu.be/bLsIWyOzX_k
Score: Red 190 points; Blue 147 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc1631, frc988, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3598, frc5012, frc3019.

SAN DIEGO VIDEOS:
FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Quarterfinal 3-1
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XibxO2aS6nk
Score: Red 175 points; Blue 128 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #7 BLUE Teams (on right) frc3128, frc3255, frc2339.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Quarterfinal 3-2
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPGEoDfMas9
Score: Red 150 points; Blue 113 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #7 BLUE Teams (on right) frc3128, frc3255, frc2339.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Semifinal 2-1
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7AiZ3KJZH0
Score: Red 92 points; Blue 190 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc4583, frc1266, frc330.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Semifinal 2-2
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMx7hou4FI
Score: Red 131 points; Blue 46 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc4583, frc1266, frc330.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Semifinal 2-3
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcDHIsAO-Ug
Score: Red 86 points; Blue 121 points. Alliance #2 RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc1538, frc4574 vs. Alliance #3 BLUE Teams (on right) frc4583, frc1266, frc330.
Team 330, BeachBots, from Hermosa Beach, CA, displayed amazing driving skill and shooting on the fly to lead the #3 Alliance to the Regional Championship. Team 1266, Devil Duckies, #3 Alliance Captain showed their experience and picking skill to not let the BeachBots get away in the Alliance Selection.

Qualification Matches:
FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #06
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdAIidiNyY
Score: Red 71 points; Blue 75 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frcteam frc1538, frc3704, frc4738 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc5209, frc3255, frc3476.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #11
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hNqBwFJ6DA
Score: Red 46 points; Blue 200 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc589, frc2658, frc1572 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3749, frc3476, frc987.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #29
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrH9velDpAU
Score: Red 100 points; Blue 63 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3041, frc4160, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3881, frc3250, frc3128.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #37
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoY_luDZ6BA
Score: Red 230 points; Blue 41 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2543, frc3476, frc3009 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3881, frc5025, frc3011.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #47
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo-u99olW6Y&
Score: Red 40 points; Blue 80 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3328, frc3965, frc4616 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc4919, frc3476, frc2193.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #60
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsGa7l3pzFs
Score: Red 95 points; Blue 47 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3491, frc4019, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc4984, frc4139, frc2984.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #70
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ICqHkdB89I
Score: Red 23 points; Blue 110 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc2029, frc3491, frc4574 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3952, frc4014, frc3476.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #78
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hBUgCEhjU
Score: Red 31 points; Blue 140 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc4486, frc4078, frc4583 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc568, frc4792, frc3476.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #84
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_QOkfFB1zE
Score: Red 200 points; Blue 48 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3011, frc604, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc568, frc3341, frc2339.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #97
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRAG5Dh3kw
Score: Red 155 points; Blue 16 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc3476, frc3967, frc1266 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3021, frc5285, frc3749.

FIRST FRC 2014 San Diego Regional Match #107 with introductions
GaryHedge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYQ5tvkLzoA
Score: Red 131 points; Blue 83 points. RED Teams (drivers on left) frc4139, frc3881, frc3476 vs. BLUE Teams (on right) frc3255, frc3647, frc2839.

[JohnFogarty]

^Golly that's a long post.

I think I can speak for most of my team that were looking forward to the matches we get to play with (M52) Team 987, (M92) Team 125, and (M166) Team 842 (the team we modeled our latest intake after).

I also can't wait to see how we might fare potentially playing a bit of defense against 2451's swerve in M37.

Kinda sad we never play with/against the Poofs, Hawaiian Kids, MORT, Las Guerrillas, Theory6 or the Robonauts.

[DManz]

^Golly that's a long post.

I think I can speak for most of my team that were looking forward to the matches we get to play with (M52) Team 987, (M92) Team 125, and (M166) Team 842 (the team we modeled our latest intake after).

I also can't wait to see how we might fare potentially playing a bit of defense against 2451's swerve in M37.

Kinda sad we never play with/against the Poofs, Hawaiian Kids, MORT, Las Guerrillas, Theory6 or the Robonauts.


I definitely can agree with you there. We are fortunate enough to be matched up with or against a few of these amazing teams and we are all extremely anxious and excited about it.

[Koko Ed]

You mean there is no correlation between a teams' OPR and their ability to seed in the top 8. *insert all the limitations of OPR*.


(There are far too many people concerned with OPR and spending far too much time analyzing, adjusting OPR to show various things and make predictions. OPR is good for a very quick reference when you have no other information about a team. If you are spending more than 15 minutes on OPR, I suggest you actually watch matches of teams. You will get a far better picture of who is good and who isn't. Better yet, you will find what their strengths/weakness are.)

Team 5125 is a 45 pound Kitbot with no scoring mechanism but has a 40 point per match OPR.
If there is no bigger indictment of the fallacy of relying on OPR for scouting there it is.

[JohnFogarty]

Team 5125 is a 45 pound kitbot with no scoring mechanism but has a 40 point per match OPR.
If there is no bigger indictment of the fallacy of relying on OPR for scouting there it is.

If this is still the case...does anyone want to help them make an intake like the one 1114 and 2056 made for that team at Winsdor Essex so they can assist their alliance partners better? For the record...i dont think I ever play with or against them. I just feel like they might have a better experience this way.

[Koko Ed]

If this is still the case...does anyone want to help them make an intake like the one 1114 and 2056 made for that team at Winsdor Essex so they can assist their alliance partners better? For the record...i dont think I ever play with or against them. I just feel like they might have a better experience this way.

They need weight. They drove well but you can only do so much being that light.
2451 and 1625 put pool noodles on top of the bot so balls wouldn't get stuck on top of the robot and incur a penalty but getting some weight would probably be the best thing for them really.

[JohnFogarty]

They need weight. They drove well but you can only do so much being that light.
2451 and 1625 put pool noodles on top of the bot so balls wouldn't get stuck on top of the robot and incur a penalty but getting some weight would probably be the best thing for them really.

I can actually help them there a lot more than anything. I have 1045 stainless steel solid cylinders that I am borrowing from work. Each 6in x 4in cylinder weighs 15 pounds. I have several of them.

Yes, they are expensive, but pretty much impervious to any kind of damage a frc robot would be able to inflict.

[Koko Ed]

I can actually help them there a lot more than anything. I have 1045 stainless steel solid cylinders that I am borrowing from work. Each 6in x 4in cylinder weighs 15 pounds. I have several of them.

That certainly would help.

[Cam_Team 2619]

I think that this is the year that the Curie Curse is broken. All of the teams on that list are astounding. But, regardless if the curse is broken or not, we are certainly in for some good competition. :)

[popnbrown]

Team 5125 is a 45 pound Kitbot with no scoring mechanism but has a 40 point per match OPR.
If there is no bigger indictment of the fallacy of relying on OPR for scouting there it is.

It was kind of hilarious to see us be ranked higher than the #4 seed (another team I mentor(ed)).

We're currently in the works of building a ramp with a gate, to possess balls. 5288 (1114's partner) did not have an intake just an outtake(?), and while an intake would be awesome-r, we don't have the time to do make one. We've still got bumpers to re-make. Our plan is to be able to catch from the human player and just release the ball immediately and go back on defense.

After we talked about our plans post-regional, adding weight came up, but we decided against it as it may impair our driving. Our biggest advantage and the reason we played defense pretty well was being able to zip around the field and not exactly push robots, but just being everywhere. We'd like to keep that ability, and not give the driver a completely different robot. Plus with our "ramp-gate" we're probably looking to add 20 lbs there itself.

Definitely interested in hearing others' thoughts.

And to add to the match conversations...we're gonna have fun. Going up against, 254, 11, 125, 469/180 and other tough teams. My only words - look out for the orange :cool:

[sbrierty]

5 or 6 extra batteries would take care of that weight problem.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Still too soon to make Orlando jokes?

[Koko Ed]

5 or 6 extra batteries would take care of that weight problem.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Still too soon to make Orlando jokes?

Just steal the weights from the Inspectors.

[XaulZan11]

Does anyone have any good pictures of:
540 TALON 540 Godwin Robotics
1311 Kell Robotics
1629 Garrett Coalition (GaCo)
1723 The FBI - FIRST Bots of Independence
1884 Griffins
2016 Mighty Monkey Wrenches
2848 The All Sparks
3301 Patriots
3386 Tornades
3660 Lightsabers
3692 Rock N' Robots
3794 WinT
4171 BayBots
4935 T-Rex
4969 Iron FeNix
5125 Hawks on the Horizon
5297 BOLTZAP

[DManz]

Does anyone have any good pictures of:
540 TALON 540 Godwin Robotics
1311 Kell Robotics
1629 Garrett Coalition (GaCo)
1723 The FBI - FIRST Bots of Independence
1884 Griffins
2016 Mighty Monkey Wrenches
2848 The All Sparks
3301 Patriots
3386 Tornades
3660 Lightsabers
3692 Rock N' Robots
3794 WinT
4171 BayBots
4935 T-Rex
4969 Iron FeNix
5125 Hawks on the Horizon
5297 BOLTZAP

16900 this is our teams robot from build stop day. This is the gist of what it looks lie but there are something that we have added to it since our last regional and I don't have an updated picture of it

[JohnFogarty]

I would like say since a lot of you are pre-scouting pictures & videos.

4901's robot no longer looks like it does in any video/pictures you will find. We have created an entirely new intake over the past 4 weeks. The drive-train is the only thing that remains entirely the same as what you see on video. Even the shooter that you see used in autonomous in the Orlando Regional is slightly different...only in how it is controlled, in order for us to have option to employ a two ball autonomous sequence if needed as well as to have our drivers have much better control of the ball once it is under the control of the robot.

As JVN would say. Iteration has proven to be the key to success for us.

[Billfred]

I would like say since a lot of you are pre-scouting pictures & videos.

4901's robot no longer looks like it does in any video/pictures you will find. We have created an entirely new intake over the past 4 weeks...blah blah blah

Since John tweeted it on the team's account, I don't think I'm giving away the barn here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BliDc1DIEAAzjDp.jpg

(The 2x4s are just our convenient cheapskate way of approximating the robot frame without having it or a practice robot. It works, people!)

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

Since John tweeted it on the team's account, I don't think I'm giving away the barn here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BliDc1DIEAAzjDp.jpg

(The 2x4s are just our convenient cheapskate way of approximating the robot frame without having it or a practice robot. It works, people!)

Neat! Can't wait to see it in action! Should be fun to play with you guys in match 166. :)

[TDav540]

Since John tweeted it on the team's account, I don't think I'm giving away the barn here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BliDc1DIEAAzjDp.jpg

(The 2x4s are just our convenient cheapskate way of approximating the robot frame without having it or a practice robot. It works, people!)

The new bot looks great! Can't wait to play with you guys in Match 2!

I don't have any good pictures of our robot, but I may be able to provide one at a later point. We have some matches on Blue Alliance from VA Regional but I will still try to post a picture.

[Brandon Holley]

So, now the FIRST has released Match Schedules (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-Divisions-and-Preliminary-Match-Schedules), how do you see things going down? What matches are you looking forward to?

I think Curie 120 will be pretty amazing... 222 with 125 going up against 11... yeah, should be a good one.

125 has extremely strong connections to 222 (a current mentor of 125 was a HS student on 222, his mom is still the 222 team leader) and 11 (myself and at least 5 other current 125 mentors were students on 11).

We're looking very forward to that one.

-Brando

[cbudrecki]

125 has extremely strong connections to 222 (a current mentor of 125 was a HS student on 222, his mom is still the 222 team leader) and 11 (myself and at least 5 other current 125 mentors were students on 11).

We're looking very forward to that one.

-Brando

yeah, my point exactly! Check out our performance this year on our YouTube page (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpWB1TI3m088En663zB-fKQ)!

[roystur44]

No way that either alliance is going to exist (well, it's possible but improbable). With whichever team on either alliance is supposed to be picked on the way back up probably won't be available by then. These teams are just TOO good.

2009 Einstein Champs 67,111,971 How did that ever happen???

[Hallry]

Why is the match going on right now (Qual. 57) a 2v2 match?

[RC3]

Why is the match going on right now (Qual. 57) a 2v2 match?

No idea, this is the second time i've seen that today.

[Koko Ed]

Why is the match going on right now (Qual. 57) a 2v2 match?

772 was switching out a Digital Sidecar and 3478 stumbled up to the field when they started the match.
2648 and 5124 also stumbled up the the field late and missed their matches as well.
Teams were doing a shockingly poor job showing up to the field in my Que line in the afternoon. IT was pretty empty back there and alot of teams had near misses with making their match.
Too much good St. Louis Bar-B-Q for lunch I suppose.

[BriteBacon]

Teams were doing a shockingly poor job showing up to the field in my Que line in the afternoon. IT was pretty empty back there and alot of teams had near misses with making their match.


I think it is the fact there there is no calling for matches, and some teams are used to hearing their match be called. Each alliance should make sure that their teammates show up on time to their match.

[Koko Ed]

I think it is the fact there there is no calling for matches, and some teams are used to hearing their match be called. Each alliance should make sure that their teammates show up on time to their match.

That's why FIRST insists that when Team Que is trained teams are not to be chased in the pits because it trains them for when they get to championships and have to actually be responsible for their own getting to the field. It's just that many events want to do it their way and could care less if the teams are properly trained on how to que up for matches.

[JohnFogarty]

That's why FIRST insists that when Team Que is trained teams are not to be chased in the pits because it trains them for when they get to championships and have to actually be responsible for their own getting to the field. It's just that many events want to do it their way and could care less if the teams are properly trained on how to que up for matches.

Yeah, at two events we went to this year matches were always called. So even I though I'm not really a FRC championship vetran, I was surprised when the time came and we missed our first match.

[Koko Ed]

Yeah, at two events we went to this year matches were always called. So even I though I'm not really a FRC championship vetran, I was surprised when the time came and we missed our first match.

It's impossible to call teams when there are four different divisions and two whole other events present there. It would be total chaos.

[Chris_Ely]

It's impossible to call teams when there are four different divisions and two whole other events present there. It would be total chaos.

In the future, to help teams out, something like this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16922&d=1398433002) could added to the standings screens that are in the pits. That way you would know what matches were last played, in progress, and coming up. This would also help at events when teams are called, but it is difficult to hear the calls.

[DonRotolo]

In the future, to help teams out, something like this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16922&d=1398433002) could added At the MAR CMP, they used the basketball scoreboard to show which match was being played and which match was being queued.

I can imagine a simple 3-digit display (two, actually, for each division) hung up high where everyone in the pits can see them. When your match number is shown, go queue.

[NotInControl]

At the MAR CMP, they used the basketball scoreboard to show which match was being played and which match was being queued.

I can imagine a simple 3-digit display (two, actually, for each division) hung up high where everyone in the pits can see them. When your match number is shown, go queue.

Lets get 400 of the square restaurant pagers... and have someone paging teams when its time for them to queue.

Just keep it in your pit, and when it vibrates and lights up, its time for you to queue up.

That would be the holy-grail of awesome queueing in my opinion. Some of the better ones have a pretty good range.

[cgmv123]

Lets get 400 of the square restaurant pagers... and have someone paging teams when its time for them to queue.

Just keep it in your pit, and when it vibrates and lights up, its time for you to queue up.

That would be the holy-grail of awesome queueing in my opinion. Some of the better ones have a pretty good range.

Skip the pagers and use up to 10 free text reminders per match.

[MrTechCenter]

I don't know about the other divisions, but the matches on Curie were often ahead of schedule, which caused a lot of teams to be late for their matches.

[JohnFogarty]

I don't know about the other divisions, but the matches on Curie were often ahead of schedule, which caused a lot of teams to be late for their matches.

Interesting. Most of our matches were played behind schedule.

[Arpan]

Team 5125 is a 45 pound Kitbot with no scoring mechanism but has a 40 point per match OPR.
If there is no bigger indictment of the fallacy of relying on OPR for scouting there it is.

Hey, 5125 gets assists now.

[Kyle Love]

Skip the pagers and use up to 10 free text reminders per match.

I don't know about everyone else, but many on our team have had poor cell service in the pit area. This may cause issues with the text system.

[Brandon Holley]

I don't know about everyone else, but many on our team have had poor cell service in the pit area. This may cause issues with the text system.

Definitely true. I think its just overloaded cell networks. Texting is not a reliable method of communication currently between our contingent in the stands and the pits.

-Brando

[George Nishimura]

The Griffins are proud to have shared the field and pits with the amazing teams on Curie! It's been an incredible year and we're thrilled to have made it Champs for the first time.

Good luck to all the elimination alliances and hopefully one of you guys will end the 'curse'!

[Anupam Goli]

So.... that red side of the bracket.... wow. 1 v 8 and 4 v 5 will feature Einstein levels of play.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

This sure was an exciting competition. Congrats to 254, 469, 2848, and 74 on your division and championship win! You guys played extremely well and knew you would go all the way. Would like to give a special thanks to 2928 for picking us as well as 2013 and 1311 for being great alliance partners. Was a pleasure working with you guys. We may not have won but we are extremely proud for making it to the semifinals for such an incredibly tough division. Also congrats to everyone in the division for such a high performance all around.

[Koko Ed]

Hey, 5125 gets assists now.

It was a very different rob ot than the one I saw in Chicago.

[Coach Norm]

It was a very different rob ot than the one I saw in Chicago.

We were alliance partners in the last qualification match with 5125. We went over to the pits to work with them to get ready and 3 students showed up. I asked them how things had been going and if the rest of the team was in the stands. They responded with good and that no they only had 3 students on the team. I noticed the students look very young as well. They were all three seventh graders and only had three team members. WOW, my mind was blown at this point. They said they are excited about the upcoming year and have already started recruiting some new members for the team.

Members from Ctrl-Z 4069 came to Champs with the team to assist them in the competition.

[falconmaster]

This sure was an exciting competition. Congrats to 254, 469, 2848, and 74 on your division and championship win! You guys played extremely well and knew you would go all the way. Would like to give a special thanks to 2928 for picking us as well as 2013 and 1311 for being great alliance partners. Was a pleasure working with you guys. We may not have won but we are extremely proud for making it to the semifinals for such an incredibly tough division. Also congrats to everyone in the division for such a high performance all around.

I ditto the comments made by Rangel! It was great being picked. I went on record as saying that we would not be picked... It seems that alliances pick teams without using any data. But Alas we were picked and we are extremely grateful for this! We felt that our robot was underestimated by many, and I hope we showed that. We really like the four team alliances! I don't believe in curses but it was still fun to help break one anyway!

[popnbrown]

It was a very different rob ot than the one I saw in Chicago.

That was the plan :D The students wanted to be competitive and be able to do a 3-assist cycle then go full defense. I wanted to add more orange.

[pwnageNick]

If anyone knows where any match videos from Curie are located, please let me know. I wasn't able to be at the event this year and did not have access to the webcast in my pit at VEX Champs since the FIRST webcasts were not mobile-friendly.

[Gaurav27]

If anyone knows where any match videos from Curie are located, please let me know. I wasn't able to be at the event this year and did not have access to the webcast in my pit at VEX Champs since the FIRST webcasts were not mobile-friendly.

I'm hoping the Official FIRST channel (formerly "FIRSTWorldTube"?) upload the eliminations earlier than last year (June 2013). I haven't found any match videos from Curie yet, please post here if anyone sees them.

[Hallry]

I'm hoping the Official FIRST channel (formerly "FIRSTWorldTube"?) upload the eliminations earlier than last year (June 2013). I haven't found any match videos from Curie yet, please post here if anyone sees them.

Here ya go! (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlESBr6FY4kC3J4AvAkL1-4Bt)

We also posted full-field footage of Einstein as well if you're interested. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlEQMOvKCeaDRjLzfJuTwLCqk)

[Gaurav27]

Here ya go! (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlESBr6FY4kC3J4AvAkL1-4Bt)

We also posted full-field footage of Einstein as well if you're interested. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlEQMOvKCeaDRjLzfJuTwLCqk)

Thank you Ryan!

[waialua359]

Thanks for posting the matches.
I finally got to watch some of our matches.

Those Curie Semifinals matches we were in against the #1 seed were intense.
Being able to match teleop scores in matches 1 and 3 were tough but very exciting to coach.
The defense on us got much better in match 3 and slowed us down. Before the tech foul, it was really close at 220-206 with our alliance missing an auton ball.

[Jared Russell]

Thanks for posting the matches.
I finally got to watch some of our matches.

Those Curie Semifinals matches we were in against the #1 seed were intense.
Being able to match teleop scores in matches 1 and 3 were tough but very exciting to coach.
The defense on us got much better in match 3 and slowed us down. Before the tech foul, it was really close at 220-206 with our alliance missing an auton ball.

You guys definitely had the right recipe to keep up with us and slow us down. You'd finish your cycles from an undefendable spot, and had two robots tall enough to take away our long shot. We definitely had to go through a murderer's row to get to Einstein.