Einstein 2014

[RoboAlum]

With the divisions just being released and all the excitement of this great time of year. It's time to place your opinions on who will make it the final field Einstein.

My picks:

Curie
125,469,2478,1501
Newton
1114, 314,3147,1126
Archimedes
1625,33,900,1086
Galileo
67,148,2481,70

Champion of Aerial Assist

Galileo vs Curie

Winner Curie

Have fun post your opinion then go see it in person

[Electronica1]

Don't alliances at worlds this year have 4 teams?

[RoboAlum]

Don't alliances at worlds this year have 4 teams?

Yeah I forgot about that so use to the 3 teams

[JohnFogarty]

Don't alliances at worlds this year have 4 teams?

Correct.

[Alan Anderson]

Winner Curie

You're really going out on a limb there, aren't you?

#curiecurse

[RoboAlum]

You're really going out on a limb there, aren't you?

#curiecurse

Yeah I think Curie has an amazing list of teams just like everyone else but I do think Curie will finally win it this year.

[Andrew Schreiber]

With the divisions just being released and all the excitement of this great time of year. It's time to place your opinions on who will make it the final field Einstein.

My picks:

Curie
125,469,2478,1501
Newton
1114, 314,3147,1126
Archimedes
1625,33,900,1086
Galileo
67,148,2481,70

Champion of Aerial Assist

Galileo vs Curie

Winner Curie

Have fun post your opinion then go see it in person



Oh OH! I like this one. It has me beating my brother and thus proving I am the superior Schreiber! MWHAHAHA

[Jaxom]

You're really going out on a limb there, aren't you?

#curiecurse

Hey, EVENTUALLY someone's going to be right when they predict a Curie win. Hopefully my grandchildren volunteer with FRC so someone in the family gets to see it.

[Abhishek R]

Hey, EVENTUALLY someone's going to be right when they predict a Curie win. Hopefully my grandchildren volunteer with FRC so someone in the family gets to see it.

Why wait when you can see it in person in 2014 :)

[dodar]

Archimedes: 33/20/3467/2175

Curie: 254/180/2013/4901

Galileo: 67/179/2337/558

Newton: 368/1114/340/1640

A vs C: Curie

G vs N: Newton

Curie vs Newton: Newton

This would be one of the best Einstein Finals in a long time. Very, very close 3 matches.

[MooreteP]

Hey, EVENTUALLY someone's going to be right when they predict a Curie win. Hopefully my grandchildren volunteer with FRC so someone in the family gets to see it.

CUBS WIN!

[Bryce Paputa]

I'm predicting that 33 and 27 will get together again and make it. No idea about the rest though.

[JohnFogarty]

Archimedes: 33/20/3467/2175

Curie: 254/180/2013/4901

Galileo: 67/179/2337/558

Newton: 368/1114/340/1640

C vs G: Curie

A vs N: Newton

Curie vs Newton: Newton

This would be one of the best Einstein Finals in a long time. Very, very close 3 matches.

My god. If that happened. I'd be happier than a Panda in a bamboo forest. Though I would like it if Curie beat Newton.

The Cheesy Spam Cyber Squad is good name too.

[joelg236]

Curie: 118 + 254 + 177 + 1241
Newton: 971 + 1114 + 525 + 330
Galileo: 4488 + 67 + 188 + 973
Archimedes: 2056 + 27 + 1538 + 399

This is exciting just to think about.

[marshall]

Archimedes
1625,33,900,1086

Wow. Thank you. I hope we can exceed expectations.

[Thad House]

Curie: 118 + 254 + 177 + 1241
Newton: 971 + 1114 + 525 + 330
Galileo: 4488 + 67 + 188 + 973
Archimedes: 2056 + 27 + 1538 + 399

This is exciting just to think about.

That Galileo alliance would be epic. Hopefully we can make it happen. And thanks for the shout out. :D

[Cory]

Curie: 118 + 254 + 177 + 1241
Newton: 971 + 1114 + 525 + 330
Galileo: 4488 + 67 + 188 + 973
Archimedes: 2056 + 27 + 1538 + 399

This is exciting just to think about.

Everyone in every division would have to be very, very stupid to allow alliances like these to form.

[barn34]

My picks:

Galileo
67,148,2481,70

Champion of Aerial Assist

Galileo vs Curie

Winner Curie

Have fun post your opinion then go see it in person

Wow! Thanks for the shout out! I'm not gonna lie...I think we'd set a new land speed record accepting that alliance invitation. HOT, 'Rwangers, 'Teers, Mo' Martians?!?! Yes, please!!!

[joelg236]

Everyone in every division would have to be very, very stupid to allow alliances like these to form.

For Archimedes and Curie, probably. :)

[CASN8R]

My god. If that happened. I'd be happier than a Panda in a bamboo forest. Though I would like it if Curie beat Newton.

The Cheesy Spam Cyber Squad is good name too.

We need to start working on our Swag Drive for champs!

[JohnFogarty]

We need to start working on our Swag Drive for champs!

Truely a YOLO move.

[MARS_James]

My god. If that happened. I'd be happier than a Panda in a bamboo forest. Though I would like it if Curie beat Newton.

The Cheesy Spam Cyber Squad is good name too.

What no love for The HOT Swamp NERD Squad ;)

[Koko Ed]

Everyone in every division would have to be very, very stupid to allow alliances like these to form.

this^

[PayneTrain]

I pick the top 4 teams in max opr to somehow be allowed to align and win their respective divisions. I pick Curie to win in Einstein because the internet told me they were stacked.

midoinitrite

[Andrew Lawrence]

I usually don't make predictions, but this'll be my first time attending champs, so I might as well put some fun into this whole predicting thing.

The divisions are powerful this year (though they are every year), and due to the dynamic nature of this year's game and the inclusion of a fourth robot on each alliance at champs, I will not even attempt to hazard a guess at the third pick for each team.

That being said, on to the alliances. 4 divisions, 12 teams.

Archimedes: 33, 2056, 1662
Curie: 254, 469, 865
Galileo: 67, 148, 766
Newton: 1114, 610, 5188

The breakdown:

Archimedes: They truss, they shoot high, they maneuver with finesse, and they have very powerful and experienced drive coaches. 33 and 2056 are two very different robots who know how to play the same game very well. For the most part, there is nothing that one can do that the other can't, and they will abuse this ability to switch roles between and sometimes even within matches to create an intense mind game against their opponents, making them almost unpredictable in both their movements and their strategies. Like all alliances, they are going to look for a third partner who can start an assist cycle quickly and simply, but unlike most alliances they will also want their alliance member to be able to play multiple roles just like them, to further increase the versatility of this alliance. Because of this, the Michigan and Canadian powerhouses will pick 1662, Raptor Force Engineering, from Lodi, California. With 1662's flat body and simple intake, they will easily be able to inbound from the human player and quickly feed their partners in any way possible. However not only does Raptor Force have a high potential for inbounding, their shooting abilities are also powerful, and if they can launch the ball before an opponent knocks it out of them, their versatility could provide a great unexpected truss shot to a human player or even a high goal score.

Curie: People thought Curie had a great chance last year, and an even greater one in 2010, but nobody can deny that while we all know better than to expect the curse to magically go away, there's something with the lineup this year that gives us all that one thought, buried in the back of our minds, that maybe...just maybe....this'll be the year. While the division is(double) stacked, the winning alliance will be headed by Team 254, The Cheesy Poofs. Dubbed the "winningest team of all time" (and for a good reason), the Poofs and their robot Barrage will bombard the competition with their highly versatile style of play and their 65 pt. CheesyVision™-assisted autonomous. While the team with the most swag usually finds success as the run and gun scorer of the alliance, as seen at Waterloo they are well versed in any position they play in, including trussing machine and defensive beast. That being said, I can still see their preferred alliance role as the catcher and scorer of their alliance, and they've been itching to abuse their sweet catching system. Their pick is going to be a machine that will be able to play just as many roles as they do, but can also assist (no pun intended) them in their goal of as many cycles in as little time possible. For that, their answer lies with perennial Michigan powerhouse 469. The Las Guerrillas machine is simply made of magic and innovation, because if you look closely you can't find much else holding the machine together. Despite not being as aesthetically pleasing as 254's robot, the 469 beast is going to be one of the most well-engineered machines on the field, and their abilities to work well with 254's robot will make them an excellent alliance partner. Rounding out the alliance will be 865, Warp 7. Warp 7 won the Waterloo regional with 254 just a few weeks back, and while many other teams won't see the use in them, 254 will know from their experience in the cold, cold north that this team will be an amazing steal in the alliance selections. 865 will play the usual 'start the cycle' strategy that many second picks are often seen doing, and just like at 'loo they'll surprise everyone with their ability to start quickly and end quickly.

Galileo: The division of the father of modern science will be filled with just that - modern science. The big teams here have been around since the beginning, but are still the ones making the next big things for us all to be amazed by. Luckily for everyone one of the many inventions that utilizes the physics brought around by our friend the Italian scientist is the air conditioning, which will be needed greatly because this division will be hot, hot, HOT. That's right, 67 is back in Galileo after a 5 year absence, and they're ready to repeat their victory from 2009. High power, high scoring, and the knowledge and experience of 3 world championship titles are going to launch the HOT team high into the rankings and heat up the competition. Of course the only thing to compliment the heat is more heat, and that can only be found in Texas. Contrary to popular belief, the dark side isn't cooler - it's hotter, and this is further proven by the red and black aura of 148's decadrive drifting, dual saber-wielding robot Vader. These two teams will put the pressure on their opponents while they play a high-paced and fast action game. The only way this heated alliance can raise the temperature will be to go to the west coast and enlist in the assistance of 766, making an alliance that nobody on Galileo will be able to bear. 766 has proven itself as not only a great inbounder, but also time and time again showcased their ability to shut down opponents with a style of defense that ain't too familiar to us west coast folk. The team from Menlo Atherton High School will only multiply this alliance's already searing strategy by putting their friction to the test as they shut down one of their opponents turning the game into a 3 on 2. This alliance will be one of the hottest on Einstein. There will be burnt motors and magic smoke.

Newton: The antithesis of the Galileo alliance, Newton knows cold, and they're not going to be afraid to use it. While it took 3 competitions to get things just right, 1114 and Simbot Evolution will hit the ground at champs running at full speed, and they don't plan on stopping anytime soon. The Simbots have ditched their much loved surgical tubing punch that many teams have adapted from SS for a sleeker and more refined wheeled shooter, and this is going to separate them from all of the other SS-inspired designs. That being said, I see SS Jr. playing very much like his father before him and shooting large exercise balls over a truss. Yup, 1114 knows strategy, and they know how to maximize points in their alliance. In order to do so, they want a robot who scores better than them, and luckily they know of one who is only a little over 112 km away from them. That's right, another powerhouse from the north, Team 610 is going to compliment the 1114-lead alliance quite nicely. Their multi-axis intake alongside their accurate and fast shooting will allow the 1114 alliance to shoot to a human player, quickly load it into 610, and have that ball scored within a matter of seconds. 610 is looking for a back to back championship win, and this is looking like one of their best bets. Unlike a lot of these alliances, 1114 and 610 won't just be going for speed, they'll also be going for raw power. Both the Simbots and the Coyotes know how to push robots around and get through tough defense, and this ability will set them apart from the rest when it comes down to Einstein. Because of this, they need a third robot who has years of experience with high power offense and high power defensive play. Unfortunately 469 is in Curie, but not far from Michigan is a rookie team from Terre Haute, Indiana, who is mentored by 3 recent 469 alumni. 5188 is going to fly under most team's radars being a rookie who only attended one event, but what many won't see is that they not only won highest rookie seed and RAS at the Crossroads regional, but they also took home the gold at the event as the second pick in the second alliance. With a professional-looking West Coast Drive driving a 469-style robot, this team has the power and experience that 1114 and 610 will be looking for to round out their alliance.

Einstein matches:

There are no clear victors here, and I expect most if not all matchups will go to three matches. That being said, here is what I see as a possible outcome:

Archimedes vs. Curie - 33, 2056, 1662 vs. 254, 469, 865
This will be a tough one, as the first two robots on each side are equally powerful. This is going to come down to the third robot on each alliance, and unfortunately 1662's flat design will allow the ball to get knocked out of their possession at a crucial time, losing them the matchup.

Curie wins in 3 matches.

Galileo vs. Newton - 67, 148, 766 vs. 1114, 610, 5188
The killer here is going to be defense played while offense is played, a tricky combination that will only be successfully executed by the Newton division teams. It will be a tough match in the beginning, but with 1114 blocking 148 midfield while trussing to their human player and 610 counter defending 766 while scoring the balls they get, things will quickly swing towards the blue alliance side.

Newton wins in 2, maybe 3 matches.

The final matchup: Curie vs. Newton - 254, 469, 865 vs. 1114, 610, 5188
The Curie alliance won their last few matches against Archimedes because of the solidity of their robots even though offensively the alliances were equal. The Newton team took their victory against Galileo because of their ability to defend and score at the same time. However here there is an equal match in those regards. To be honest there is no way I can even compare these two alliances, let alone determine a winner, so I cannot accurately predict a winner. Because of the nature of this game and the fact that it is indeed Aerial Assault, I'm gonna have Curie break the curse and win because of a foul.

First two matches are very close, first one going to red alliance, second one going to blue alliance, result is Curie winning the final match because of a sketchy call of G12 that nobody will be able to prove but won't be redacted, being the sole reason the curse is broken. 254 and 469 get their second championship wins, and 865 gets their first.

Well, that's all I have to say about this whole thing. Lunacy was an inside job. Karthik for President. Water Game.

[ks68]

Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

[JohnFogarty]

Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

These alliances are all but impossible.

[joelg236]

These alliances are all but impossible.

And I thought mine were crazy.

[Anupam Goli]

Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

If any of these alliances happen, I think i'll eat my computer.

[Abhishek R]

Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

I don't think we'll even see that at IRI.

[ks68]

These alliances are all but impossible.

I realize that, I just wanted to make the best alliances I could think of.

[Jaxom]

Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Which 2 teams on each of these alliances are you expecting to be sandbagging their qualification matches, in order to be available as 2nd & 3rd picks? :D Not that I wouldn't love to be part of that Newton alliance, but let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Might as well try this again. Note that I'm usually really bad at predictions, but I'll just have some fun with it:

Archimedes:
Team 33 Killer Bees is going to dominate the Archimedes Division and seed first, and with that first pick they will take 2056 OP Robotics. With these two dominating the scoring, they pick up Team 2067 Apple Pi with the last pick of the second round for their great intake and swerve drive defense. They’ll use their final pick on 4265 Secret City Wildbots. Although they’ll play against some good alliances, they’ll have no trouble reaching the big show.

Curie:
This stacked division is looking to break the Curse once again. With so many proven teams on this field, any alliance one through eight could crack through to Einstein, and that is precisely what will happen as the 5 seed goes to the big stage. Alliance Captain 987 The Highrollers will lead the charge, picking up 177 The Bobcats and their six Einstein appearances. This alliance will pick up wildcard team 1323 Madtown Robotics and 772 the Sabre Bytes. This veteran alliance will not have an easy road, especially against alliances with 254, 469, 118, 11, 1718 and 624, but they will find a way to make it through.

Galileo:
After the perennial powerhouses such as 67, 148, 1717, and 2337 go to the first 2 or 3 seeds, PNW superstar 4488 Shockwave will be the Galileo Champion alliance captain with their two ball autonomous and great catapult. They’ll pick up Canada’s own 3683 Team Dave in the first round due to their great ability as a shooter, trusser, or passer. At the tail end of the draft, this alliance will pick up the youngsters of 4476 W.A.F.F.L.E.S., who will be a great passer for this alliance. In the third and final round, they’ll pick up overlooked 126 Gael Force as a solid replacement at any spot in the cycle, and for their fantastic truss to the Human Player strategy. It won’t be pretty, will require lots of third matches, usage of all four robots, and some luck, but this alliance will prevail over the superstars on Galileo thanks to their versatility.

Newton:
1986 will seed first and pick Canadian powerhouse 1114, but the best alliance will start with the second alliance captain, team 1678 The Citrus Circuits, with their versatility and amazing double intake, and they will pick team 610 The Coyotes to join them. As the draft unfolds, this 2nd seed alliance will pick up 3313 Mechatronics and their hammer, and then will pick up 811 Cardinals as a solid backup bot. They will have to play the likes of 971, 4039, 1592, and 1983, but they will prevail and move onto Einstein.

Einstein:
Archimedes vs Curie:
These two alliances will play some high scoring, tough matches, but the shooting of 2056 and 33 will overpower the Curie Alliance.
Winner: Archimedes
Galileo vs Newton:
While Galileo played great to get to Einstein, they simply won’t be able to match up to the teamwork of the Newton alliance, who will outscore them in two tough matches.
Winner: Newton
Archimedes vs Newton:
The scoring of Archimedes will be ferocious, but Newton’s teamwork and quick assists will be a tough matchup. After three hard matches, Archimedes pulls through with the win, the first championship for teams 33, 2056, 2067, and 4265.

[jamierose]

I usually don't make predictions...
(insert rest of really long post here)


Great analysis, and thanks for including us! It would be awesome to be on an eliminations alliance with 1114 for the first time ever (as far as I know). As always, they have a great robot and they know how to play the game.

There are a lot of robots better than 610's on Newton, though. If we somehow make it back to Einstein or even division finals, I would be more than happy with our performance. Champs is pretty crazy, though, so you never know how eliminations will play out.

Also, you talked about 865 and how they might be the third robot for the Curie alliance. Not only is their inbounding incredibly quick, but they also play possibly the best defence I've seen between both regionals 610 attended this year.

I've talked about them a bit with some of my teammates, and we decided that any alliance would be happy with Warp 7 because they're so great at what they do. In my opinion, they have the potential to change the outcome of eliminations. I suggest that the teams in Curie pay close attention to them when making a pick list.

[Brandon Ha]

I really am wondering apart from these alliances being "dreams" how effective it would be against an extremely strong defensive alliance. We saw many teams around the world get defeated when statistically speaking they should have won. Sooooo... Curie Curse SHALL BE BROKEN via penalties. Which would be so nice.

[ks68]

Which 2 teams on each of these alliances are you expecting to be sandbagging their qualification matches, in order to be available as 2nd & 3rd picks? :D Not that I wouldn't love to be part of that Newton alliance, but let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

I know that these alliances won't happen. I think you guys will be with Simbotics, obviously there is an extremely low chance that either of the other teams would make it onto that alliance.

[Abhishek R]

I really am wondering apart from these alliances being "dreams" how effective it would be against an extremely strong defensive alliance. We saw many teams around the world get defeated when statistically speaking they should have won. Sooooo... Curie Curse SHALL BE BROKEN via penalties. Which would be so nice.

I think we'll see many of these top offensive teams actually be the ones playing the hardest defense.

[AlecMataloni]

Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254
Galileo: 254+254+254+254
Newton: 254+254+254+254

254 beats 254 in 2
254 beats 254 in 3

254 wins in 2.

[JohnFogarty]

Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254
Galileo: 254+254+254+254
Newton: 254+254+254+254

254 beats 254 in 2
254 beats 254 in 3

254 wins in 2.

Half-Life 3 confirmed.

[dodar]

Half-Life 3 confirmed.

Half-Life 3 is on a Waterworld = 2015 FRC Water Game.

[Thad House]

Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254
Galileo: 254+254+254+254
Newton: 254+254+254+254

254 beats 254 in 2
254 beats 254 in 5, 2 replays

254 wins in 4, 1 replay

FTFY

[Arman1266]

Archimedes: 33, 2056, 2978, 4583

Galileo: 67, 148, 1266, 4476

Curie: 254, 987, 2478, 4161

Newton: 610, 16, 3847, 2486

Finals: Galileo vs Curie

Winner: Galileo

Sorry, new to this "picks" thing :P

[alexander.h]

Archimedes: 254+254+254+254
Curie: 254+254+254+254
Galileo: 254+254+254+254
Newton: 254+254+254+254

254 beats 254 in 2
254 beats 254 in 3

254 wins in 2.

So, I wonder what team you're rooting for...

[cgmv123]

Curie vs Galileo is a SF matchup. If you think Galileo wins, they would play either Archimedes/Newton in the Finals.

Nope, Archimedes plays Curie, and Galileo plays Newton

[jamierose]

Curie vs Galileo is a SF matchup. If you think Galileo wins, they would play either Archimedes/Newton in the Finals.

We (Galileo) faced Newton during the semi-finals last year. We then played Archimedes, who beat Curie.

Is it going to change this year? If not, then Curie vs. Galileo can happen during the finals, which is what happened in 2012.

An easy way to remember which teams face each other in the semis is alphabetical order.
A and C come before G and N, so SFs are A vs C and G vs N.

[EricDrost]

hi welcum 2 my post im knew to this but her it goes

kurie prolly wins it all and kills the kurse with

5326, 5297, 5191, 5179 (prolly)

i dont know why everyone chooses the tiny number teams bigger number must = better robot.

#seeuthere

http://i.imgur.com/2iVitvV.jpg

[Arman1266]

It probably might change then, if it wasn't the same two years in a row.

[Woolly]

Archimedes- 27-1477-1538-1540
Curie 254-987-2468-1902
Galileo $148.67-1023-1730
Newton- 1986-16-1806-340, In my dreams.

[Jscout11]

It probably might change then, if it wasn't the same two years in a row.

It's been A v C and G v N since at least 2006

[mman1506]

I usually don't make predictions..
254 and 469 get their second championship wins, and 865 gets their first.



Also, you talked about 865 and how they might be the third robot for the Curie alliance. Not only is their inbounding incredibly quick, but they also play possibly the best defence I've seen between both regionals 610 attended this year.

I've talked about them a bit with some of my teammates, and we decided that any alliance would be happy with Warp 7 because they're so great at what they do. In my opinion, they have the potential to change the outcome of eliminations. I suggest that the teams in Curie pay close attention to them when making a pick list.

Thank you for the kind words, our whole team is so stoked to hear that.

If that prediction was to come true... :ahh:

[Blackphantom91]

Archimedes- 27-1477-1538-1540
Curie 254-987-2468-1902
Galileo $148.67-1023-1730
Newton- 1986-16-1806-340, In my dreams.

I'm ok with the dream, but who is taking an arrow to the knee?

[Woolly]

I'm ok with the dream, but who is taking an arrow to the knee?

I don't know that anyone would be taking an arrow to the knee. The division's pretty deep. Last year everyone was surprised when 610 fell to a 3rd pick, and I'm sure something similar could happen this year, just because there's so many good robots.

[MooreteP]

Has anybody interested in this thread taken a class on statistics?

To attempt a prediction of the outcomes of the divisions is an exercise in futility.

Too much data and random choices involved.
(Remember, these are high school students scouting and speculating. It's actually kind of cool, creative, and quite random.)

Two ideas:
- Not about the Robot.
- Einstein will be awesome this year (Goalie Bots!).

That being said, here is my exercise in futility:
Archimedes: 2056, 195, 319
Curie: 118, 4334, 4055
Galileo: 67, 558, 2337
Newton: 1114,16, 58

Haz Warren Buffett my 1 billion dollars?

The fourth picks will be .....Goalie Bots! With Cheesy Vision!

No scores over 200 on Einstein.
Remember, you heard it here FIRST

[Mt_Biker2014]

I like the odds of Galileo division winning go 67!!

[bkahl]

That being said, here is my exercise in futility:
Archimedes: 2056, 195, 319
Curie: 118, 4334, 4055
Galileo: 67, 558, 2337
Newton: 1114,16, 58



Love the New England twist!:D

[RonnieS]

So I heard something from my mentor that had me wondering. I was told that when you pick that 4th robot, they are a solid and active part of the alliance. He said that that "4th" bot can come in anytime during any of your matches as long as you tell the ref and you could then also bring your "3rd" bot back in the next match or flip flop for whatever combination best suits for the next match. Is this true?
Thanks.

[tim-tim]

So I heard something from my mentor that had me wondering. I was told that when you pick that 4th robot, they are a solid and active part of the alliance. He said that that "4th" bot can come in anytime during any of your matches as long as you tell the ref and you could then also bring your "3rd" bot back in the next match or flip flop for whatever combination best suits for the next match. Is this true?
Thanks.

Yes, per 5.6.1

[Basel A]

Alright, I'm going to make my Einstein predictions the same way I make my FRCTop25 votes

Division: Alliance# Teams
Archimedes: #3 27, 33, 2137, 2834 (27-33 mandatory)
Curie: #3 1718, 469, 4362, 74
Galileo: #2 2337, 67, 862, 857 (67 will accept this time)
Newton: #8 3539, 314, 2054, 910 (how any of these teams could be a 3rd pick is beyond me)

Curie beats Archimedes
Newton beats Galileo

Newton beats Curie

[Jade Z]

My god. If that happened. I'd be happier than a Panda in a bamboo forest. Though I would like it if Curie beat Newton.

The Cheesy Spam Cyber Squad is good name too.

Look forward to seeing y'all again, sir. Make it happen.

[Jade Z]

So I heard something from my mentor that had me wondering. I was told that when you pick that 4th robot, they are a solid and active part of the alliance. He said that that "4th" bot can come in anytime during any of your matches as long as you tell the ref and you could then also bring your "3rd" bot back in the next match or flip flop for whatever combination best suits for the next match. Is this true?
Thanks.

Yes, teams are swappable constantly. This not only allows for a backup that can be taken back out, but allows for a timeout for, say, a mechanum when you're about to go up against strong defense, or putting in an extra defender against a catching robot, etc.

Excellent idea, in my opinion. Allows for easier changing of strategy to suit the next match.

[JohnFogarty]

The four alliance system is alot like the 3 alliance system in FTC. If you didnt know FTC is 2v2 and yet their alliances are always 3 team. I love the strategy that can come out of an extra alliance member in special situations. In 2010 my FTC Champion alliance constantly swapped which ones of the three of us were on the field.

Look forward to seeing y'all again, sir. Make it happen.

We'll do our best. We've made some intake/ball control improvements that should help us perform 100% than Orlando.

[LoweIQ]

Alright, I'm going to make my Einstein predictions the same way I make my FRCTop25 votes...

No regional bias, right?

Just for fun, here's my guess: All 8th Alliances!
Archimedes: 2590, 3467, 2959, 781
Curie: 3476, 177, 68, 2648
Galileo: 973, 3683, 3098, 193
Newton: 910, 330, 846, 2415

Curie beat Archimedes, Galileo beats Newton, Galileo beats Curie.

Disclaimer: I realize a lot of these picks won't be around for the 8th alliance, or even that round of selections. No offense is meant by these predictions, all 16 of these teams are top contenders in their respective division.

[GKrotkov]

The fourth picks will be .....Goalie Bots! With Cheesy Vision!
FIRST

Truth.

I haven't actually seen a goalie bot in action at all, but this is something I would love to see (esp. w/cheesy vision). Goalie zones are there for a reason, and this could seriously damage a team's ability to score in auto. In teleop, low goals and missed triple assists negate the usefulness of the goalie, but chasing down a blocked auto ball could be the death of an alliance.

Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it?

[magnets]

A good goalie bot could change the outcome of a match, but there aren't too many good goalie bots out there.

I also think we'll see considerably lower scores and lots of upsets than usual because of the crazy defense. The teams that win their divisions will be ones where all three members of the alliance play defense when they don't have the ball.

I'm curious to see what teams do with the 4th member of the alliance. If I'm understanding the rules correctly, you could be a world champion, without ever playing in an elimination match.

[cmrnpizzo14]

Truth.

I haven't actually seen a goalie bot in action at all, but this is something I would love to see (esp. w/cheesy vision). Goalie zones are there for a reason, and this could seriously damage a team's ability to score in auto. In teleop, low goals and missed triple assists negate the usefulness of the goalie, but chasing down a blocked auto ball could be the death of an alliance.

Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it?

Check out 973 for red in Auton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819idQnXwxw#t=18

I expect to see at least someone like this on Einstein or at least as a prominent force in division elims. Too many multi-ball autons are susceptible to this strategy.

[Kabir Manghnani]

Out of all these predictions I'm seeing 971 less than I would have thought. Undefeated this season is quite a achievement especially considering one of those regionals was SVR. I'm not going to claim they are assured to win anything but I wouldn't be surprised to see them on Einstein.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Truth.

Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it?

We got CheesyVision working over the weekend. (https://twitter.com/Spectrum3847/status/455804818875875328) we'll see how it plays out.

1323 almost gets the block here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl35aVb_OXc)

[Joe195]

Truth.

I haven't actually seen a goalie bot in action at all, but this is something I would love to see (esp. w/cheesy vision). Goalie zones are there for a reason, and this could seriously damage a team's ability to score in auto. In teleop, low goals and missed triple assists negate the usefulness of the goalie, but chasing down a blocked auto ball could be the death of an alliance.

Has anyone seen a goalie bot in action, or better yet, has a video of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUDUTQLZ5QE

4048 Blocked two shots at NE Champs

[joelg236]

Out of all these predictions I'm seeing 971 less than I would have thought. Undefeated this season is quite a achievement especially considering one of those regionals was SVR. I'm not going to claim they are assured to win anything but I wouldn't be surprised to see them on Einstein.

Agreed. Are people assuming they'll lose in finals or something similar?

[Yipyapper]

No regional bias, right?

Just for fun, here's my guess: All 8th Alliances!
Archimedes: 2590, 3467, 2959, 781
Curie: 3476, 177, 68, 2648
Galileo: 973, 3683, 3098, 193
Newton: 910, 330, 846, 2415

Curie beat Archimedes, Galileo beats Newton, Galileo beats Curie.

Disclaimer: I realize a lot of these picks won't be around for the 8th alliance.

4th pick? Ouch.

[Billfred]

4th pick? Ouch.

You know what they call the graduate with the lowest GPA in med school? Doctor.

You know what they call the fourth robot in the alliance that wins Einstein? Champion.

[swootton]

Has anybody interested in this thread taken a class on statistics?

To attempt a prediction of the outcomes of the divisions is an exercise in futility.

Too much data and random choices involved.
(Remember, these are high school students scouting and speculating. It's actually kind of cool, creative, and quite random.)

Two ideas:
- Not about the Robot.
- Einstein will be awesome this year (Goalie Bots!).

That being said, here is my exercise in futility:
Archimedes: 2056, 195, 319
Curie: 118, 4334, 4055
Galileo: 67, 558, 2337
Newton: 1114,16, 58

Haz Warren Buffett my 1 billion dollars?

The fourth picks will be .....Goalie Bots! With Cheesy Vision!

No scores over 200 on Einstein.
Remember, you heard it here FIRST

Someone must have been paying attention in New England :) The real magic is not what teams statistically look the best, it's which bots compliment each other and which teams can play together effectively. I like the second pick for Archimedes and Galileo and the third pick for Curie.

[tim-tim]

Archimedes: 33+27+2056+1477
Curie: 1718+118+254+469
Galileo: 67+836+148+225
Newton: 1114+1986+16+610

Final: Curie vs Newton

Winner: Curie

Thanks for the shout-out. If we end up on alliance that I will be a very, very happy man.

[michael.saxon]

My picks:

Curie
125,469,2478,1501
...
Winner Curie


Curie: 254, 987, 2478, 4161
...
Finals: Galileo vs Curie


Holy crap! Our entire team is overjoyed that we have been noticed by two different posters in this! (Seriously, our team members who follow CD were freaking out) You've made our day. Thank you both for the shoutouts!

[JB987]

Obviously people were watching the LVR webcast or archived vids of eliminations:D

[s_forbes]

Obviously people were watching the LVR webcast or archived vids of eliminations:D

Westwood was a great pick, I was impressed!

[The_ShamWOW88]

Everyone in every division would have to be very, very stupid to allow alliances like these to form.

Maybe those divisions are just that good? Going to be an intense Champs this year.

[alexander.h]

Archimedes : 33, 2056, 27
Curie : 254, 118, 11
Galileo : 67, 148, 3310
Newton : 1114, 1986, 610

Archimedes vs. Curie : Curie
Galileo vs. Newton : Newton

Curie vs. Newton : Newton

So, in short, Newton will be Aerial Assist's winning division with 1114, 1986, and 610 leading the way. Looks like the Curie curse will still hold true this year ...

[Yipyapper]

Archimedes : 33, 2056, 27
Curie : 254, 118, 11
Galileo : 67, 148, 3310
Newton : 1114, 1986, 610

Archimedes vs. Curie : Curie
Galileo vs. Newton : Newton

Curie vs. Newton : Newton

So, in short, Newton will be Aerial Assist's winning division with 1114, 1986, and 610 leading the way. Looks like the Curie curse will still hold true this year ...

So many people are picking such amazing teams for the same alliance--if Newton's teams as predicted here all team up, I will eat my shoe.

[alexander.h]

So many people are picking such amazing teams for the same alliance--if Newton's teams as predicted here all team up, I will eat my shoe.

Is that a promise?

[bkahl]

Archimedes : 33, 2056, 27
Curie : 254, 118, 11
Galileo : 67, 148, 3310
Newton : 1114, 1986, 610

Archimedes vs. Curie : Curie
Galileo vs. Newton : Newton

Curie vs. Newton : Newton

So, in short, Newton will be Aerial Assist's winning division with 1114, 1986, and 610 leading the way. Looks like the Curie curse will still hold true this year ...
All twelve teams here are probable Top 8 seeds in their divisions. These alliances are practically impossible, and would only happen if there is absolutely NO scouting done on any division.

This goes for most of the predictions in this thread. 1241, 610, 27, 11, 330, 1477, 469 etc. are all captains and/or first picks... NOT third picks.

[alexander.h]

All twelve teams here are probable Top 8 seeds in their divisions. These alliances are practically impossible, and would only happen if there is absolutely NO scouting done on any division.

This goes for most of the predictions in this thread. 1241, 610, 27, 11, 330, 1477, 469 etc. are all captains and/or first picks... NOT third picks.

Oh well, it was just for the fun of it...

[bkahl]

Oh well, it was just for the fun of it...

You might see these at IRI, but not WCMP

[bkahl]

With that said, here are my picks:

Archimedes:
33 27 3525

Curie:
254 118 3015

Galileo:
148 67 2363

Newton:
1114 1285 3928

Archimedes over Curie
Newton over Galileo

Archimedes in 3

[Juan Martinez]

I know that these alliances are highly unlikely but here goes my shot

Archimedes :27,33,51 note the all michigan alliance :cool:

Curie:254,125,2451

Galileo:67,148,3098

Newton:1986,1114,1806

A v. C A wins
G v. N G wins

A v. G after three super long matches A pulls out a win

[StAxis]

Archimedes: 4911, 399, 1538, 1089
Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Curie wins in 2

Galileo: 2481, 2337, 1717, 3937
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

[alexander.h]

Archimedes: 4911, 399, 1538, 1089
Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Curie wins in 2

Galileo: 2481, 2337, 1717, 3937
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

By far, these might be the most possible predictions to date.

[dodar]

Archimedes: 4911, 399, 1538, 1089
Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Curie wins in 2

Galileo: 2481, 2337, 1717, 3937
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

Curie: 254, 118, 2013, 2928
Newton: 1114, 610, 1592, 1817
Newton wins in 3

By far, these might be the most possible predictions to date.

If that actually happened...lol

[alexander.h]

If that actually happened...lol

You have doubt in your team winning the Championship? If you go in with that mindset...

[Joe Ross]

These alliances are practically impossible, and would only happen if there is absolutely NO scouting done on any division.

In 2012, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #7 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship. In 2013, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #10 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship.

[dodar]

You have doubt in your team winning the Championship? If you go in with that mindset...

That isnt doubt, thats the thought of winning it all.

[alexander.h]

That isnt doubt, thats the thought of winning it all.

The thought of winning it all? That's a nice feeling ... one that we don't even dream of ...

[bkahl]

In 2012, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #7 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship. In 2013, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #10 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship.

Good point, but for it to happen on EVERY division?

[AdamHeard]

ITT, people who don't know about 4 robot alliances.

[alexander.h]

Good point, but for it to happen on EVERY division?

This is FIRST : crazy things can happen. And they usually do.

[bkahl]

This is FIRST : crazy things can happen. And they usually do.

An even more valid point...

I suppose crazier things HAVE happened.

[Richard Wallace]

I suppose crazier things HAVE happened.Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.

*
*1114, 217, 148

[alexander.h]

Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.

*
*1114, 217, 148

And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

[Abhishek R]

And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

148 designed their robot to primarily run laps around the field as quickly as possible.

[bkahl]

And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?

I believe he is talking about 148 in 2008. They were really only a drivetrain,but an amazing one at that. Their soul strategy was to gain as many 'laps' as possible, scoring points without the main objective, the GIANT ball.

2008 Einstein Finals 2: http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008ein_f1m2

Edit:Abhishek beat me to it.

[Cory]

Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.


*
*1114, 217, 148

Not the best example. 1114 was going to win with just about anyone. John even publicly posted that his fridge could have been put on the field in place of 148, and they still would have won.

[Grim Tuesday]

Not the best example. 1114 was going to win with just about anyone. John even publicly posted that his fridge could have been put on the field in place of 148, and they still would have won.

Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.

[Kabir Manghnani]

Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.

I believe Cory meant that year in particular, 1114's robot in 2008 was pretty spectacular, a design that a lot of teams have borrowed from for this season.

[Abhishek R]

A better example might be the 2013 World Champions. I wasn't there so I might have missed something, but I'm not sure how 610, a robot capable of scoring 112 points by itself without ever picking a disc up off the ground fell to be a third pick. They even had pretty alright full-court capability and a removable blocker.

[ErvinI]

Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.

148 made no statistical difference in terms of wins for the 1114/217/148 alliance. For the 469/1114 alliance, they could have had anything from JVN's fridge to 67 as their third robot and yet they still would have lost that second match because the third robot would get stuck in the goal.

[Lij2015]

With that said, here are my picks:

Archimedes:
33 27 3525

Curie:
254 118 3015

Galileo:
148 67 2363

Newton:
1114 1285 3928

Archimedes over Curie
Newton over Galileo

Archimedes in 3
Thanks for the shout-out!
To be on that alliance on Einstein would be beyond amazing!

[PayneTrain]

A better example might be the 2013 World Champions. I wasn't there so I might have missed something, but I'm not sure how 610, a robot capable of scoring 112 points by itself without ever picking a disc up off the ground fell to be a third pick. They even had pretty alright full-court capability and a removable blocker.

I sat in the stands on Galileo and still couldn't believe it. When 8 started going back, I kept saying "they're gonna pick 610." I still don't believe it.

[Mr. Lim]

A better example might be the 2013 World Champions. I wasn't there so I might have missed something, but I'm not sure how 610, a robot capable of scoring 112 points by itself without ever picking a disc up off the ground fell to be a third pick. They even had pretty alright full-court capability and a removable blocker.

I don't think anyone on 610 complained about the result, of course...

But yes, we were surprised we fell that far. We knew we were going to fall because we weren't a tall FCS, nor did we have a ground intake. We just weren't expecting to fall that far.

We were ranked #10 in the FRC Top 25 going in to champs. So we didn't really "fly under the radar." Our 112 point single-handed match was a popular video, and showed us doing 3 auton discs and 7 cycles without missing a single disc, and dodging defenders. People knew who we were, and that we had a pretty good robot.

In fact, a lot of "pure cyclers" fell really far last year - not just us. I will even go as far to say that a lot of "decent shooters" will fall significantly this year, with some missing elims altogether because alliances chose to pick superior inbounders + defenders instead.

So I guess my response to all the "far-fetched" alliances proposed in this thread:

"Crazier things have happened... especially at champs."

[Procolsaurus]

In fact, a lot of "pure cyclers" fell really far last year - not just us. I will even go as far to say that a lot of "decent shooters" will fall significantly this year, with some missing elims altogether because alliances chose to pick superior inbounders + defenders instead.



Thankfully this year there are 32 teams going to eliminations.

I think the specialized teams will be taken on the 8 ->1 selections then the rest of the pretty strong carry teams will end up being the second 1 -> 8.

[Richard Wallace]

Not the best example. 1114 was going to win with just about anyone. John even publicly posted that his fridge could have been put on the field in place of 148, and they still would have won.So, in 2008, the GDC gave us a 3 robot game that could be won at its highest level, without the assistance of one of the robots? Then this year's game is a step in the right direction.

Maybe Overdrive needed a third trackball for each alliance, or more lap points in teleop. As I recall, 2008 was a challenging year for referees also.

[Abhishek R]

So, in 2008, the GDC gave us a 3 robot game that could be won at its highest level, without the assistance of one of the robots? Then this year's game is a step in the right direction.

Maybe Overdrive needed a third trackball for each alliance, or more lap points in teleop. As I recall, 2008 was a challenging year for referees also.

He's saying the game could be won with that specific robot, 1114, because they were so dominant. It's like 2012 or 2013 where one bot could carry an alliance, or the top 2 at a regional could team up and be far ahead of everyone else. Except in this scenario, the margin was smaller, but 1114 was still above everyone else by enough to reduce the impart of the third robot, especially when the scoring was fairly linear.

[Chris Hibner]

He's saying the game could be won with that specific robot, 1114, because they were so dominant. It's like 2012 or 2013 where one bot could carry an alliance, or the top 2 at a regional could team up and be far ahead of everyone else. Except in this scenario, the margin was smaller, but 1114 was still above everyone else by enough to reduce the impart of the third robot, especially when the scoring was fairly linear.

To add to that, many people thought 217 was the 2nd best robot in FIRST that year. So when 1114 picked 217, many people thought the competition was already done. That's not to say that 148 wasn't great in their role - that was the perfect robot for that alliance.

[Starke]

To add to that, many people thought 217 was the 2nd best robot in FIRST that year. So when 1114 picked 217, many people thought the competition was already done. That's not to say that 148 wasn't great in their role - that was the perfect robot for that alliance.

Something interesting to note is that the unbeatable 1114 robot in 2008 lost in the semifinals in two matches at IRI that year.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008iri_sf1m1

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008iri_sf1m2

Only at IRI.....

[Andrew Schreiber]

ITT, people who don't know about 4 robot alliances.

TIL that reading the rulebook is sometimes useful.

[Hallry]

Something interesting to note is that the unbeatable 1114 robot in 2008 lost in the semifinals in two matches at IRI that year.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008iri_sf1m1

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008iri_sf1m2

Only at IRI.....

Though, it doesn't look like 1114 was working in the first match, and I don't see (or hear) 2056 on the field for the second match.

This is also back when 2056 was 'Patriotics' rather than 'OP Robotics'...took me a second to get used to that when the announcer said their name.

[dodar]

Something interesting to note is that the unbeatable 1114 robot in 2008 lost in the semifinals in two matches at IRI that year.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008iri_sf1m1

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008iri_sf1m2

Only at IRI.....

Good 'ol Alliance Flags. Back when bumpers were fashion statements.

[sammyjalex]

My favorite game :)

A: 20 2056 1538 334
C: 254 469 177 842
G: 1717 67 973 869
N: 1114 16 25 1574

A over C
N over G

A over N

Go Archimedes!

[ErvinI]

Using predicted standings to figure out who the captains are and then using max OPR to figure out who they are going to pick, this is what I got for Einstein:

Archimedes: 1477, 1625, 175, 2607
Curie: 469, 1718, 230 , 1732
Galileo: 3683, 148, 70, 1730
Newton: 1986, 1114, 3928, 3824

Curie over Archimedes
Newton over Galileo

Curie World Champions

I don't like how the data came out, so I'm just leaving this here for now in case any of these alliances come true. Feel free to bug me if you want the other alliances that formed. There aren't that many surprises in terms of seeding upsets when it comes to OPR.

[XaulZan11]

Archimedes: 1477, 1625, 175, 2607
Curie: 469, 1718, 230 , 1732
Galileo: 3683, 148, 70, 1730
Newton: 1986, 1114, 3928, 3824


I bet I can guess which alliance Aren Hill would root NOT to win.

[electroken]

Using predicted standings to figure out who the captains are and then using max OPR to figure out who they are going to pick, this is what I got for Einstein:

Archimedes: 1477, 1625, 175, 2607
Curie: 469, 1718, 230 , 1732
Galileo: 3683, 148, 70, 1730
Newton: 1986, 1114, 3928, 3824

Curie over Archimedes
Newton over Galileo

Curie World Champions

I don't like how the data came out, so I'm just leaving this here for now in case any of these alliances come true. Feel free to bug me if you want the other alliances that formed. There aren't that many surprises in terms of seeding upsets when it comes to OPR.

I like the way you think...

[Ernst]

I like the way you think...

I'm totally ok with those predictions. Somebody has to be the first 4th bot to win CMP.

[MamaSpoldi]

Using predicted standings to figure out who the captains are and then using max OPR to figure out who they are going to pick, this is what I got for Einstein:

Archimedes: 1477, 1625, 175, 2607
Curie: 469, 1718, 230 , 1732
Galileo: 3683, 148, 70, 1730
Newton: 1986, 1114, 3928, 3824

Curie over Archimedes
Newton over Galileo

Curie World Champions

I don't like how the data came out, so I'm just leaving this here for now in case any of these alliances come true. Feel free to bug me if you want the other alliances that formed. There aren't that many surprises in terms of seeding upsets when it comes to OPR.

If that's how the numbers work out then we will just have to accept it. :D

[I-DOG]

Archimedes
Winners: 2nd Seed *2056, 33, 20, 2158
Finalists: 1st Seed 1477, 1625, 4911, 1816

*Team declined the 1st Seed

Curie
Winners: 5th Seed *1718, 359, 624, 1714
Finalists: 2nd Seed 1241, 118, 11, 3015

*Team declined the 3rd Seed

Galileo
Winners: 1st Seed 67, 148, 1730, 1717
Finalists: 6th Seed 836, 188, 973, 1218

Newton
Winners: 3rd Seed 610, 1678, 330, 1983
Finalists: 1st Seed 1986, 1114, 3284, 1806

Einstein
2013 World Champions: 67, 148, 1730, 1717
Finalists: 2056, 33, 20, 2158

[JohnSchneider]

Galileo
Winners: 1st Seed 67, 148, 1730, 1717
Finalists: 6th Seed 836, 188, 973, 1218



1717 as a 4th robot? :confused:

[Anupam Goli]

1717 as a 4th robot? :confused:

1717's 2 ball auto would warrant them 2nd robot status alone...

[dodar]

1717's 2 ball auto would warrant them 2nd robot status alone...

You do realize how many teams have 2 ball autos this year, right?

[dellagd]

1717's 2 ball auto would warrant them 2nd robot status alone...

I think a 2 ball auton isnt going to be that uncommon. Regardless, teams shouldnt have that much trouble picking 3 robots that all can do a high autonomous, hot too.

[Woolly]

Archimedes
Winners: 2nd Seed *2056, 33, 20, 2158
Finalists: 1st Seed 1477, 1625, 4911, 1816

*Team declined the 1st Seed

Curie
Winners: 5th Seed *1718, 359, 624, 1714
Finalists: 2nd Seed 1241, 118, 11, 3015

*Team declined the 3rd Seed

Galileo
Winners: 1st Seed 67, 148, 1730, 1717
Finalists: 6th Seed 836, 188, 973, 1218

Newton
Winners: 3rd Seed 610, 1678, 330, 1983
Finalists: 1st Seed 1986, 1114, 3284, 1806

Einstein
2013 World Champions: 67, 148, 1730, 1717
Finalists: 2056, 33, 20, 2158

I'm not complaining, but this seems disproportionately Missourian.

[I-DOG]

1717 as a 4th robot? :confused:

Stranger things have happened and if 1717's consistency issues come back, they could easily fall even lower. Don't get me wrong, I love 1717 and I think that they have the potential to be a seed captain.

However, scouting hiccups happen, unexpected teams seed high, teams under perform and then explode in the elims, etc. I'm sure no one expected the alliance of 1241, 610, and 1477 to ever happen last year. That's what makes an unpredictable game so unpredictable.

To give another example: People doubted that 217 would be the 24th pick in Newton last year.

I'm not complaining, but this seems disproportionately Missourian.

Especially that Newton 1st seed, right? There are so many of you guys in Newton! I tried to not be disproportionately Texan, Californian, Michiganite, or Canadian. I guess somehow I moved to Missouri in the process...

#stlouisforstlouis #mammothofmissouri #iamtitanium #swatthesehatersoffme #driventoeinstein #firem4hlaser :cool:
#rememberthealamo

[RoboAlum]

Since the predicted ranks came out Im gonna revise my predictions:

Archimedes:

1st Seed: 1477,2485,20,900

Curie:

2nd Seed:1241,254,1501,2478

Galileo:

6th Seed: 67,1717,2481,179

Newton:

2nd Seed: 971,1114,610,3147

Einstein:

Curie V Archimedes
Winner Curie

Newton V Galileo
Winner Newton

Curie V Newton
Winner and Champion Curie

[David8696]

Since the predicted ranks came out Im gonna revise my predictions:

Archimedes:

1st Seed: 1477,2485,20,900

Curie:

2nd Seed:1241,254,1501,2478

Galileo:

6th Seed: 67,1717,2481,179

Newton:

2nd Seed: 971,1114,610,3147

Einstein:

Curie V Archimedes
Winner Curie

Newton V Galileo
Winner Newton

Curie V Newton
Winner and Champion Curie

I thoroughly approve. Although the Einstein results could be significantly improved...... ;)

[brandon.cottrell]

Einstein
2013 World Champions: 67, 148, 1730, 1717
Finalists: 2056, 33, 20, 2158

If I'm not mistaken the 2013 world champs were 1241, 610 and 1477 :rolleyes:

[Chris is me]

I don't know where you guys are all getting this idea that 20 is going to be the 16th selection on Archimedes. 20 is a top 5 team in the division, excelling at any role in the game. About the only thing they can't do is a point blank low goal high shot. Barring some kind of catastrophe I don't expect them to escape the first round.

Once EWCPCast airs I'll make predictions based on the bracket generated in the show. The show bracket ignores strength of schedule, carried teams, bad scouting so it may not be the most accurate but this is for fun anyway, right?

[Justin Shelley]

Archimedes
Winners: 2056, 33, 900, 2158

Curie
Winners: 254, 624, 4522, 1714

Galileo
Winners: 148, 3683, 1730, 217

Newton
Winners: 1986, 16, 3284, 111

Einstein
2014 World Champions: 254, 624, 4522, 1714
Finalists: 148, 3683, 1730, 217

[hrench]

1717 as a 4th robot? :confused:

iF 1717 doesn't want to be the fourth robot for Galileo, 1108 will be happy to do it. I'm really surprised we're not making anybody's lists. ?

[Mrcope9]

My picks:

Archimedes: 2056, 33, 2444, 2158

Curie: 254, 624, 11, 1718

Galileo: 67, 148, 1730, 3937

Newton: 1114, 1285, 341, 3847

G vs C, Cuire
A vs. N, Archimedes
Winner: Archimedes

[carlgrass32]

33,1918,503-Archimedies (F)
67,494,217-Galileo (W)
68,74,1714-Curie (SF)
314,1678,2085 (SF)

[David8696]

33,1918,503-Archimedies (F)
67,494,217-Galileo (W)
68,74,1714-Curie (SF)
314,1678,2085 (SF)
4 team alliances this year.

[AlexD744]

Ok, here are my crazy predictions.

Arch: 2nd seed 2056-1625-175-2067
Curie: 3rd seed 254-177-4055-1629
Galileo: 1st seed 67-973-179-494
Newton: 1st seed 1114-971-341-25

C beats A in 3
G beats N in 2
G beats C in 2

973's goalie post and 179's terrible match schedule end up making the difference for this powerful alliance. Plus 67 has learned from their loss in MSC and will not let defense stand in their way.

177 continues where they left off after a less than spectacular 1st seed "scorches" 254 into the 3rd seed captain.

2056 and 1625 pair up for a second Einstein trip together, but again only win the second of the three match-ups against 177.

341 falls in the selections similar to at MAR Champs giving that alliance a breeze to Einstein, and the strategic power behind the glass brings them within just a few points of a win in both Einstein matches.

Can't wait to see all of this proven wrong over the next few days. Good luck teams!

[1493kd]

I could not agree more. Yes I have some local personal bias to team 20 but from watching many webcast this year and seeing them all season they are one of the most complete teams around. Along with the fact that they have outstanding strategy and execution. I think they are the most underrated team going into the championship.Especially after winning 2 regionals.

Best of luck team 20



I don't know where you guys are all getting this idea that 20 is going to be the 16th selection on Archimedes. 20 is a top 5 team in the division, excelling at any role in the game. About the only thing they can't do is a point blank low goal high shot. Barring some kind of catastrophe I don't expect them to escape the first round.

Once EWCPCast airs I'll make predictions based on the bracket generated in the show. The show bracket ignores strength of schedule, carried teams, bad scouting so it may not be the most accurate but this is for fun anyway, right?

[Lil' Lavery]

33,1918,503-Archimedies (F)
67,494,217-Galileo (W)
68,74,1714-Curie (SF)
314,1678,2085 (SF)

I sense no Michigan bias, whatsoever. ;)

[The_ShamWOW88]

Little late in the game but here's my predictions for the Champs based off of predicted final rankings and seedings

ARC: 2485, 1625, 175, 1671
CUR: 254, 469, 2403, 772
GAL: 67, 1717, 1023, 558
NEW: 1114, 610, 997, 5188

ARC over CUR
GAL over NEW

ARC over GAL

World Champs: 2485, 1625, 175, 1671
Finalists: 67, 1717, 1023, 558

[David8696]

Little late in the game but here's my predictions for the Champs based off of predicted final rankings and seedings

ARC: 2485, 1625, 175, 1671
CUR: 254, 469, 2403, 772
GAL: 67, 1717, 1023, 558
NEW: 1114, 610, 997, 5188

ARC over CUR
GAL over NEW

ARC over GAL

World Champs: 2485, 1625, 175, 1671
Finalists: 67, 1717, 1023, 558

I like this one. I nominate this for Official Einstein Prediction of Chief Delphi. :D

[Flimsor]

Newton
Winners: 3rd Seed 610, 1678, 330, 1983
Finalists: 1st Seed 1986, 1114, 3284, 1806

Hey, thanks for the mention! My team would be ecstatic if this happened. No Pacific Northwest team has ever made it to Einstein.

[FoleyEngineer]

Just for fun, here's my guess: All 8th Alliances!
Archimedes: 2590, 3467, 2959, 781
Curie: 3476, 177, 68, 2648
Galileo: 973, 3683, 3098, 193
Newton: 910, 330, 846, 2415



I have to give some major props to LoweIQ for your prediction on Newton! We ended up 3rd alliance captain and picked 846, 330, and 1507. You got them all right except the 4th team member. Wow! :yikes: