[2014] CMP prop bets returns

[themccannman]

For the past few years before the Super Bowl, my brother and I identify about 15-21 even money prop bets. We then take turns picking the outcome of each bet (while the other takes the opposite bet), and the winner is the one with the most correct outcomes.

Just for fun (or year long bragging rights), I'm going to post a bunch of true/false statements. Feel free to answer each one, we'll see who does the best.

If you have a suggestion for a bet, also post it. Please try to keep the outcome about even odds, and verifiable through posted numbers after the event.

Now that divisions have been released I think it's appropriate to revive the prop bet thread from last year as many people seemed to enjoy it (and efoote868 hasn't posted it yet). I also feel the need to defend my title:rolleyes:

I'm defaulting to the same bets as last year with numbers adjusted for this years game. If you have any bets to propose post them below, the odds for each bet should be just about even for each side. Have fun!

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance.
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches.
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000.
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more.
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more.
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more.
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more.
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less.
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more.
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more.
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less.
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less.
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton.
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie.
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes.
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo.
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations.
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein.

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win.
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win.

Note: I'm undecided as to whether or not to close bets before or after match schedules are announced. What would you guys prefer?

[orangemoore]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance.


Who Plays in blue?

And the betting should close before match schedules are released.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Who Plays in blue?
The winner of Galileo vs Newton

[Anthony Galea]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance: TRUE
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches. TRUE
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000. FALSE
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more. TRUE
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more. TRUE
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more. FALSE
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more. TRUE
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less. TRUE
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more. TRUE
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more. FALSE
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less. FALSE
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less. FALSE
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton. TRUE
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie. TRUE
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes. FALSE
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo. FALSE
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations. FALSE
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein. TRUE

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win: 1570
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win: 1998

[Pault]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance. FALSE
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches. TRUE
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000. FALSE
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more. TRUE
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more. TRUE
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. TRUE
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. TRUE
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more. TRUE
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more. TRUE
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less. fALSE
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more. FALSE
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more. TRUE
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less. TRUE
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less. FALSE
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton. TRUE
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie. FALSE
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes. FALSE
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo. TRUE
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations. FALSE
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein. TRUE

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 3600
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 6500

[Boe]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance. False
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches. True
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000. True
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more. True
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more. False
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. True
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. True
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. False
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more. True
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more. True
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less. True
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more. True
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more. True
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less. True
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less. Flase
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton. True
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie. True
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes. False
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo. True
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations. True
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein. True

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 3200
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 3700

[apples000]

1. True
2. False
3. True
4. False
5. False
6. True (because of fouls)
7. false
8. False (but somebody will get close)
9. True
10. True
11. True
12. False
13. True
14. False
15. True
16. True
17. True
18. False
19. True
20. True
21. True

Tiebreaker #1: hmm. 150 * 18 = 2700 total
Tiebreaker #2: 4545

[efoote868]

Now that divisions have been released I think it's appropriate to revive the prop bet thread from last year as many people seemed to enjoy it (and efoote868 hasn't posted it yet). I also feel the need to defend my title
Glad you're doing it this year, unfortunately my schedule prevents me from running it ::ouch::


I'll have to think about this :D

[safiq10]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance. True
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches. False
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000. False
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more. True
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more.False
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.True
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.True
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. False
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more. False
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more.True
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less.False
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more.
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more.False
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less.True
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less.False
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton.True
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie.False
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes.False
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo.True
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations.True
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein.True

[JosephC]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance. FALSE
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches. TRUE
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000. FALSE
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more. TRUE
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more. TRUE
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. TRUE
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more. TRUE
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more. FALSE
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less. TRUE
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more. TRUE
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more. TRUE
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less. FALSE
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less. TRUE
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton. TRUE
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie. TRUE
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes. TRUE
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo. TRUE
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations. TRUE
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein. FALSE

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 2800
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 3000

[themccannman]

I'm glad so many people have posted already. Still undecided on when to close betting though. If I close it before match schedules it's pretty much up to luck and some good approximations. If I lock bets after scheduling it makes bets 6, 7, 8, and 16 through 18 up to prediction instead of guessing. Still looking for some more votes to see what you guys would like best.

[Taylor]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance.FALSE
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches.TRUE
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000.FALSE****
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more.TRUE
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more.TRUE
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.FALSE
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.TRUE
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.TRUE
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more.TRUE****
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more.TRUE
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less.FALSE
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more.TRUE
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more.TRUE
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less.FALSE
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less.TRUE
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton.FALSE
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie.TRUE
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes.TRUE
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo.FALSE
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations.FALSE
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein.TRUE

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win.3872
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win.5188

Note: I'm undecided as to whether or not to close bets before or after match schedules are announced. What would you guys prefer?BEFORE THURSDAY

Note: on the ****-marked questions, remember that there are 4-team alliances now.

[themccannman]

Note: on the ****-marked questions, remember that there are 4-team alliances now.

I think it's too late to go back and change the original questions, so for those two bets I'm going to say it's the final arrangement of the alliance (the same as it would be if back ups were done by seeding order) e.g. the last finals match played on curie will define what the runner up alliance was.

[efoote868]

I think it's too late to go back and change the original questions, so for those two bets I'm going to say it's the final arrangement of the alliance (the same as it would be if back ups were done by seeding order) e.g. the last finals match played on curie will define what the runner up alliance was.

Could go with Captain + 1st & 2nd selections.

[themccannman]

Preliminary match schedule was announced today. I'm just going to close bets on wednesday night/thursday morning.

Also I think I want to keep it as the final 3 robots that actually play since that was the alliance that made it furthest.

[efoote868]

Without looking closely at anything yet -

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance. FALSE
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches. TRUE
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000. TRUE
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more. FALSE
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more. FALSE
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. TRUE
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more. TRUE
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more. TRUE
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less. FALSE
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more. TRUE
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more. TRUE
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less. FALSE
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less. TRUE
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton. TRUE
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie. TRUE
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes. FALSE
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo. FALSE
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations. FALSE
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein. TRUE

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 2250
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 2000

[themccannman]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance.
True
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches.
True
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000.
False
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more.
True
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more.
False
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
True
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
True
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
False
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more.
True
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more.
True
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less.
False
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more.
True
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more.
True
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less.
False
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less.
True
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton.
True
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie.
True
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes.
False
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo.
False
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations.
False
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein.
True

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win.
3501
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win.
2501

[themccannman]

Alright, betting is closed independent of whether or not this is the actual match schedule.

[David8696]

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance. FALSE
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches. TRUE
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000. TRUE
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more. TRUE
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more. TRUE
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. TRUE
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event. FALSE
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more. TRUE
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more. TRUE
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less. FALSE
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more. TRUE
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more. TRUE
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less. FALSE
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less. FALSE
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton. FALSE
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie. TRUE
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes. FALSE
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo. TRUE
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations. FALSE
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein. FALSE

Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 4266.5
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win. 8511

[themccannman]

Here's correct answers for each bet. I'll check who was the closest tomorrow when I have more time.

1. The winning alliance on Einstein will be the Blue Alliance.
true
2. The winning alliance on Newton will have to play three or more finals matches.
true
3. The sum of the team numbers on the runner up alliance of Curie will be less than 3000.
false
4. The average elimination match score on Galileo will be 180.0 or more.
false (174.8)
5. The average losing elimination match score on Archimedes will be 150.0 or more.
true (214.8)
6. There will be a score of 350 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
true
7. There will be a losing score of 200 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
true
8. There will be a combined unpenalized(no fouls) score of 480 or more during some qualification match at the Championship Event.
true
9. There will be an elimination alliance formed where the sum of the team numbers will be 7500 or more.
true
10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more.
true not 100%, if someone could confirm
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less.
false double check this one too
12. After Qualifications, Newton will have a team with an OPR of 110.0 or more.
false
13. After Qualifications, Curie will have a team with a CCWM of 100.0 or more.
true
14. After Qualifications, Archimedes will not have a team with an OPR of 0.0 or less.
false
15. After Qualifications, Galileo will not have a team with a CCWM of -20.0 or less.
false
16. The red alliance will win the first qualification match on Newton.
true
17. The blue alliance will win the first qualification match on Curie.
false
18. The red alliance will win the last qualification match on Archimedes.
true
19. The blue alliance will win the last qualification match on Galileo.
true
20. There will be an 8 seed upsetting a 1 seed during eliminations.
true
21. A non #1 seed (from their division) will win Einstein.
false
Tiebreaker #1: Guess the sum of the points scored on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win.
3248
Tiebreaker #2: Guess the sum of the team numbers of the winning alliance on Einstein. Closest (higher or lower than actual) will win.
3571


Please feel free to check any answers, I can make mistakes, I'm going to bed.

[Joe Ross]

10. The highest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 40.0 or more.
true not 100%, if someone could confirm
11. The lowest average OPR of any Championship Event division will be 30.0 or less.
false double check this one too

Both are correct. All divisions were over 40 average OPR (Archimedes and Curie were over 50).

[themccannman]

Both are correct. All divisions were over 40 average OPR (Archimedes and Curie were over 50).

Thanks for checking that.

Here's the results for the 2014 bets (http://imgur.com/Svms1iZ)

Congratulations to the winner of this years bets Paul T! with 14/21 correct answers!

Also, Boe, are you a wizard? Congrats on only missing each tie breaker by 48, and 129 respectively. That's suspiciously close:yikes:

Also to 3175Student for your difference on the first tie breaker being my exact team number (looks like delphi elite, robostangs, and CRyptonite also made guest appearances).