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stufflikethat
20-04-2014, 09:48
Hey guys, I have spent a lot of time on TBA just pre scouting for champs and have yet to find a truly fantastic match where one alliance works together around heavy defense and plays the game how the GDC wanted it to be played. If you know of any fantastic matches could we collect them in this thread?
Waterloo Semis 2 Match 1
254, 2056, and 865 play the game how I believe the GDC wanted it to be played. They also played well even though they had defense on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UGXIq6jUA#t=331
Hey guys, I have spent a lot of time on TBA just pre scouting for champs and have yet to find a truly fantastic match where one alliance works together around heavy defense and plays the game how the GDC wanted it to be played. If you know of any fantastic matches could we collect them in this thread?
we have one match were we played extremely well together but the defense wasn't 100% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTk7i2bDagk
Chris_Elston
20-04-2014, 10:03
For us, the moments you don't have the ball, you should be playing "smart" defense on your alliance. There are several of these moments for us, a quick nudge on a blue robot, getting in between the robot and ball. Not only was defense being played on us, but we dished out defense too. Finding partners that are good in each position are key in the game for sure. But one of the matches I enjoy watching is the Quarters 1 in St. Louis. Being the "Truss" robot, I feel like we play the role of "big brother", able to help both our inbounding partners and scoring partners. If the trussing didn't work, foregoing the truss and passing on the ground still works for 40 points...
Teams: 3284, 4500, 1501
St. Louis Quarters 1
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2014mosl_qf1m1
mrmummert
20-04-2014, 10:05
Chesapeake Quals match 51
teams 1610, 2363, 2534
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6HLbXH_cjc
Kevin Leonard
20-04-2014, 10:12
Finger Lakes Finals Match 3
The strategy we worked out finally "clicked" perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CSMlad_OMA
Jay O'Donnell
20-04-2014, 10:18
Finger Lakes Finals Match 3
The strategy we worked out finally "clicked" perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CSMlad_OMA
1507 using your third robot to line up is one of the best strategies I've seen yet. I have to say that was a killer alliance.
MAR Champs quals 104
Teams 25, 225, and 708 on blue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw0LrYKS2R8&feature=share&t=2h57m31s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faqefJY9Q20
Hartford District QF2-1
Red: 236, 1991, 3566
Blue: 716, 228, 2170
The strategy red had was extremely quick.
rhinobot
20-04-2014, 10:28
Finals Matches Western Canada Regional
4334, 2013, and 4719 executed 3 assist cycles flawlessly and had a great strategy.
JTEarley
20-04-2014, 10:34
http://gallery.team624.org/2013-2014/Lone-Star-Regional-Match/i-RkcH3Tc
Check out Lone Star F-1.
118, 148, and 2585 vs
1477, 624, and 3997
Both alliances are playing great offensively and defensively.
Waterloo Semis 2 Match 1
254, 2056, and 865 play the game how I believe the GDC wanted it to be played. They also played well even though they had defense on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UGXIq6jUA#t=331
You have a generous definition of defense...
ezygmont708
20-04-2014, 10:46
Mar Champs Qualification 104
25, 225, 708
V.
1923, 1089, 102
My team happened to play in that match, but it was a beautiful example of how to play the assists to win.
tickspe15
20-04-2014, 10:57
PNW Champs semi finals or finals.
Auburn District semi finals or Finals
1983 and 1318 worked beautifully together at both auburn and champs to come out with two wins. The duo got lots of practice together at auburn which was for our scouting team to justify picking the ?34? seed as our 1st pick even though they had been plagued with technical problems all weekend and were on nobody else's radar
MARS_James
20-04-2014, 11:00
South Florida Semifinal 1 Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGf107htSV4)
Has the Red Alliance doing:
3 assist cycles
Truss Shots
Truss Shots to human Players
Catches
High Goals
Low Goals
and Recovering from a 64 point deficit
while under defense at some points by all 3 blue robots
In 254's words:
Here is a link to the match:
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2014casj_f1m1
1678/368/4171 played excellent defense and forced our alliance to drop points on our cycles throughout the match. On the first cycle we lose out on 20 points when 4171 blocks 1662 from inbounding. On the second cycle we lost out on 10 points because 1678 and 368 played excellent defense on 971 and prevented them from trussing. For the third cycle, the stellar counter defense from 1678 dragged both 254 and 971 into a corner to try to stop 368, causing us to miss another 20 point assist. The most amazing thing is that 1678/368/4171 remained patient and continued to gather 3 assist cycles while playing defense, allowing them to catch up over the course of the whole match. There were amazing plays from the blue alliance in this close match. The fluid transitions from offense to defense and back from both 1678 and 368 were a scary sight to see.
I'll throw in the Inland Empire finals. 399 and 1678 and their third partner put on an absolute clinic, including two truss-and-catch in the same cycle.
MAR Champs Finals 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eumnKFaVZuA&index=108&list=PLPUJJPXRAlETaZVVO0VU3SRlOHwdk6ZAa)
Iaquinto.Joe
20-04-2014, 11:59
MSC QF1-1 Replay 2. (http://youtu.be/Qzn968Jc6u4)
#1 seeded alliance 1718, 67, 74 falls to the #8 seeded alliance 910, 548, 4362. Final score of 210 - 275, no fouls.
Good defense played on both sides. Good offense played by the shooters of both alliances. Quick inbounding on both sides. Differing strategies for both sides. Great match to watch.
Kevin Leonard
20-04-2014, 12:07
MSC QF1-1 Replay 2. (http://youtu.be/Qzn968Jc6u4)
#1 seeded alliance 1718, 67, 74 falls to the #8 seeded alliance 910, 548, 4362. Final score of 210 - 275, no fouls.
Good defense played on both sides. Good offense played by the shooters of both alliances. Quick inbounding on both sides. Differing strategies for both sides. Great match to watch.
Wow that was an incredible match. And to think I hadn't watched MSC quarters yet. Time to start!
M. Lillis
20-04-2014, 12:08
If you're looking for heavy defense and good strategy, look at the NECMP from week 7. I doubt any other region has more defense than NE.
itzaklevi
20-04-2014, 14:01
MSC QF1-1 Replay 2. (http://youtu.be/Qzn968Jc6u4)
#1 seeded alliance 1718, 67, 74 falls to the #8 seeded alliance 910, 548, 4362. Final score of 210 - 275, no fouls.
Good defense played on both sides. Good offense played by the shooters of both alliances. Quick inbounding on both sides. Differing strategies for both sides. Great match to watch.
Im amazed that no one had mentioned this yet. Prior to this match, there were two matches played, both won by the 8th seed. However, both were declared to have a field fault. Then, they won again. So the 8 seed actually went 3-2 in their quarters, but two of their wins didn't count. And the wins were by very large margins - not just a few points.
AllenGregoryIV
20-04-2014, 14:07
Im amazed that no one had mentioned this yet. Prior to this match, there were two matches played, both won by the 8th seed. However, both were declared to have a field fault. Then, they won again. So the 8 seed actually went 3-2 in their quarters, but two of their wins didn't count. And the wins were by very large margins - not just a few points.
The previous two matches had pretty glaring field faults in autonomous mode that caused the #1 alliance to miss nearly all their balls and spend time clearing them. The #8 seed did a fantastic job but you shouldn't make it seems like the replays weren't warranted or that the #1 seed didn't deserve to win. The field faults clearly contributed to the very large margins in the first two matches.
And the wins were by very large margins - not just a few points.
And the red alliance missed all three balls in auto due to the field fault, which is death in this game.
The blue alliance knows the first two "wins" weren't legitimate. The third was very much so.
David8696
20-04-2014, 14:21
We (2485) worked extremely well throughout eliminations at both San Diego and Las Vegas with 987. I'd point you specifically to the final match at NVLV, in which our shooter broke (as you can see in autonomous) and we had to play as essentially an assisting and blocking robot when we had been acting as the final shooter throughout elims. 987 picked up the ball (no pun intended) flawlessly, navigating around incredibly tough defense and at throwing an inbound halfway across the court over two opposing robots with 10 seconds left, then navigating more defense and scoring to clinch the match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dYBfBvya9w
EDIT: I'd like to add a shout-out to 2478; without their brilliant inbounding, we'd never have had the level of success we did in elims.
If you're looking for heavy defense and good strategy, look at the NECMP from week 7. I doubt any other region has more defense than NE.
Indeed NECMP had some of the best defensive matches of the year it was awsome to be part of that
Abhishek R
20-04-2014, 15:24
One of my favorite matches so far was Semifinal 1 - 2 at the Lone Star Regional. 3847, 4587, and 2881 worked great together, alternating from offense to defense and all around playing the game well to take one match off of the number one seed of 148, 118, and 2585. I believe there was one regular foul, but regardless it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the match. The last second truss also helped :) Both alliances were great to watch.
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2014txho_sf1m2
Here is a good example, in my opinion (though biased...) of an alliance working through heavy defense and incorporating all three alliance members. Both 16 and us (447) saw double teams while either attempting to score or truss and was able to successfully push through the defense. On the similar thought to Chris' we would also go into defense mode once we no longer had the ball. By either getting between the ball and robot or forcing an opponent out of position.
Teams:
16, 447, 2665 v. 868, 3494, 3506
Queen City Regional Finals 3
http://youtu.be/-8JvuI-0f7Q
1629GaCo
21-04-2014, 11:18
1629, 2363, 623, all played really well together at the Chesapeake Regional. Each team complimented each other very well. When one was being defended the other picked up the assists or scoring or defense. It was really fun to watch. You can find all the match videos on Triple Helix's YouTube channel.
Iaquinto.Joe
21-04-2014, 15:35
The previous two matches had pretty glaring field faults in autonomous mode that caused the #1 alliance to miss nearly all their balls and spend time clearing them. The #8 seed did a fantastic job but you shouldn't make it seems like the replays weren't warranted or that the #1 seed didn't deserve to win. The field faults clearly contributed to the very large margins in the first two matches.
This is entirely correct, although the #1 alliance DID get to see the #8 alliance's strategy on three occasions, developing a counter-strategy for QF1-2 and QF1-3. I feel like the #8 seed got the short end of the stick here.
AllenGregoryIV
21-04-2014, 15:41
This is entirely correct, although the #1 alliance DID get to see the #8 alliance's strategy on three occasions, developing a counter-strategy for QF1-2 and QF1-3. I feel like the #8 seed got the short end of the stick here.
I agree, no one likes playing replays, and there should be a system in place that allows the field logs to be recorded with out having to run entire matches that put robots at risk and give away strategy. However the #1 seed still won and we should give them credit for that. I said the #8 seed did a great job and believe that. Play that series again and it may easily go the other way but we shouldn't diminish the accomplishment of the #1 alliance.
Juan Martinez
21-04-2014, 19:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpJJ-pCshwM
Quals 39 MSC
The Blue alliance 469 51 3539
The red alliance 862 3548 3322
rich2202
22-04-2014, 10:30
Not necessarily the best alliance, but 1625 shows how to play offense (inbound and truss) and defense (setting picks, or clearing a path).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPG6y1JHeD4
Windsor Essex Regional - SF 1-2 (http://watchfirstnow.com/archives/91098638)
This set of matches shows how an alliance of underdogs (blue - 4525, 4917, 4519) up against the powerhouse alliance (red - 2056, 1114, 5288) can hold their own, given good strategy and smart drive teams.
While blue was significantly out-matched offensively, all three robots on the blue alliance were able to dynamically switch roles throughout the match when 1114 and 2056 were laying down some big defence.
Blue took 1 match off of red, and the other two matches were both extremely tight matches - one of which was lost due to a 20pt foul.
alexander.h
23-04-2014, 22:36
Here's part of a match where we managed to do a 60-point cycle, under a bit of defense on the final pass. It looks like we cooperated pretty well in that match (as well as in many others, by the way!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MhRsFEF_BQ
audietron
25-04-2014, 09:40
Match 68 on Archimedes was a really consistent cycle with 2056 inbounding the ball and shooting over the truss to the human player. 329 would get the ball from the human player and use their catapult to give it back to the human player who would give it to 399 which put it in the low goal.
steelerborn
26-04-2014, 06:48
Qual 109 on Archimedes was really fun to be a part of.
33 would inbound and truss to the HP.
1671 immediately received and shot the ball across the white zone.
And 1625 did a quick 10 point shot from the red alliance line.
310 points no penalties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prg_q4_6Fic
Michigan Qualification match 110. Red alliance pulls the "900 strategy", as I call it, with 107 shooting the ball from the feeder station, over the truss, to the far HP. The HP then feeds the ball to 1506 in the middle zone, which outtakes to 67 for quick 3 ball assist cycles.
Thought it was interesting, just because in the past I saw 2 assist cycles with that strategy the majority of the time, and a defensive bot.
All the Division Championship and Einstein matches. Really incredible teamwork on everybody's part.
Qual 109 on Archimedes was really fun to be a part of.
33 would inbound and truss to the HP.
1671 immediately received and shot the ball across the white zone.
And 1625 did a quick 10 point shot from the red alliance line.
310 points no penalties.
Video of that match can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwqgNls44E
Kevin Leonard
27-04-2014, 23:36
Video of that match can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwqgNls44E
Sigh... And this is why we had the worst schedule in the division.
zinthorne
28-04-2014, 00:59
PNW Champs semi finals or finals.
Auburn District semi finals or Finals
1983 and 1318 worked beautifully together at both auburn and champs to come out with two wins. The duo got lots of practice together at auburn which was for our scouting team to justify picking the ?34? seed as our 1st pick even though they had been plagued with technical problems all weekend and were on nobody else's radar
Having driven against your alliance in Auburn, I would have to agree. i think your alliance, and our alliance both did a great job to combine scoring and defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbHHUtCGc1c
There was quarterfinals 3-1 on curie. There was some defense on both sides,but the most interesting part was the ability for each robot to swap roles on the fly.
video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7d_sEoiESk
Thanks to team 1676 for recording all of the matches!
Citrus Dad
01-05-2014, 19:26
I'll throw in the Inland Empire finals. 399 and 1678 and their third partner put on an absolute clinic, including two truss-and-catch in the same cycle.
To be honest, the opposing alliances hadn't yet worked out effective defensive strategies in Week 1. I think the link to SVR is a much better example.
rnewendyke
02-05-2014, 03:49
There was quarterfinals 3-1 on curie. There was some defense on both sides,but the most interesting part was the ability for each robot to swap roles on the fly.
Had a lot of fun watching those quarterfinals and the matches that followed involving the #2 alliance on Curie. I think these (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgWRyNHBKw) matches (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fSc96bOwg&index=157&list=PLPUJJPXRAlESBr6FY4kC3J4AvAkL1-4Bt) really show what good teamwork can do for you on the field. The drivers and coaches for red were able to go so far as to change offensive strategies cycle to cycle depending on what they saw on field because of the level of communication and teamwork found in the the red driver station.
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